Is hypersonic still a meme?
It dependsFor japan in particular, it allows them to pose a real threat to chinese high value surface combatants with land-based standoff precision missiles. The Type 25 HVGP and especially the future Block 2 version with extended range gives japan credible high probability of mission kill anti-ship missiles as it will be hitting mach 5+ and will be a difficult missile to intercept. Japan sees the Type 25 HVGP as the "high" component of their "high/low" anti-ship inventory.The new improved Type 12, which was recently renamed the Type 25 Surface to Ship Missile (SSM), which totally doesn't make it at all confusing with almost identically named Type 25 HGVP surface to ship missile. The Type 25 SSM is the new "low" missile, it has a 900-1000km range and is sea skimming with a high subsonic speed. This will be the "bulk" of japans anti-ship missile inventory. But they're better deterrence weapons than they are offensive weapons due to their high cost. If china puts boats somewhere japan doesn't want, a few of those will cost a lot, but likely have a high proability of a mission kill if/when it's fired, so it makes sense to spend the money. For an offensive first strike weapon though you're basically only going to use a hypersonic weapon if you have 100% knowledge a target will be at a certain place at a certain time, and you have to act within the next 5 minutes to make sure it can happen so you simply don't have time to figure out another better/cheaper option. Those weapons end up cost so much money and being so situationally niche useful, that they rarely if ever get actually used. But if you do find the right moment, they're potentially the only way to hit certain targets and have any chance of success. Which can make their entire development and fielding cost "worth" it if used correctly just one time.
>>65051005Iirc japs hgv also based on us tech transfer?
>>65050962Rooks rike my ratest KSP creation
Type 25's development name was hypervelocity gliding projectile for "remote island defense" that's a codeword for Senkaku islands.If china tries landing on and fortifying Senkaku, Type 25s launched from mainland japan take out high value targets like air defense systems so other standoff weapons can effectively roast the rest. That's what the block I is meant for.
>>65051068No.The US only provided the testing range and supporting test/data infrastructure.The missile is Japanese.The US and Japan are working on GPI together though.
Considering china hasn't, and never will, start shit I'd say it's worked pretty well.
>>65051068Almost everything Japan has ever made has been a result of tech transfer,
>>65052106And all US rocketry is based on tech transfer from nazi Germany At a certain point it's no longer considered tech transfer.
>>65051972Why would they start anything with Japan? Also China still doesn't have naval BMD, so Japan is in an excellent position for the near future.
>>65050962 Deter china from doing what? It is not like china does anything but saber ratlle.
>>65052223Maybe now, but in 20 years, there maybe some truth to their saber rattling. This is at least how Japanese/allied military planers think, and act accordingly
>>65052214All is a large stretch, considering Goddard, the father of modern rocketry, who inspired Von Braun, was AMERICAN.
>>65052456Sure but if we're going that far we're all just building off the tech transfer of fire and the wheel.
>>65052477You're either being disingenuous or you are mentally deficient. I hope it is the latter because the former isn't allowed outside of /b/.
>>65052582If you're being so retarded as to claim the Type 25 HVGP is using american technology, please by all means, tell me exactly what technology that is and the hardware lineage Japan copied from america.So yes, I am treating you like a retard and responding to you as if you're mentally challenged.
>>65050962The meme of hypersonics is Russia and China calling their ballistic missiles "hypersonics", actual HGV like America's Dark Eagle are the real deal.
>>65052597But you're the only retard here. I bet you think the mitsubishi f2 is OC do not steal too.
>>65053233> i can't find any direct american hardware lineage so i'm going to bring up the F-2 againi'm shocked.As far as missiles are concerned, japan doesn't need to draw on US technology and i'm unsure why you think they would. The ASM-3 and Type-25 HVGP are wholly japanese and show advanced rocket performance well beyond what japan was "given" by the US at any point.Also, the US went to japan for the SM-3 Block IIA 2nd and 3rd stage rocket motors. So clearly japan brings some of their own high end tech to the table that the americans wanted.
>>65052615The biggest problem with hypersonics is that they're very limited in their payload unless you're planning to make them 20m long. Dark Eagle, for example, has a 30 lb bursting charge and most of its effect is kinetic. This works with American levels of precision but not for thirdies.
>>65052615Reminder
>>65051005>900-1000km rangehow big are these things? i can't find anything.
>>65053403Look at the OP?
>>65052218Jeez idk, every time they look at a japanese ship in their optics they get to see it flying a rising fucking sun, kek.
>>65053407>>65053403So the Type 25 SSM and the Type 25 HVGP are both new missiles, both have ~900-1000km range, but one is a high subsonic sea-skimming missile, the other uses a hypersonic glide body. With the Block 2 version of the HVGP apparently targeting a "waverider" body shape for higher terminal maneuverability. Pic related, Type 25 SSM left, Type 25 HVGP right
>>65053253The Russians performed militarily superior to the Japanese on land. Outnumbered Russian soldiers slaughtered numerically superior Japanese human wave attacks at the battles of Nanshan and siege of Port Arthur, the Japanese outnumbered the Russians massively and suffered bigger death tolls and their only tactic was human waves.Japanese soldiers also used human wave attacks against Chinese soldiers in trenches at the battle of Beicang and suffered a higher death toll than the Chinese.Japan supplied over 100,000 Japanese girls as Karayuki san prostitutes to China, to the Russian far east in Siberia, to western colonies in Southeast Asia including French Indochina, Philippines, Dutch East Indies, British Malaya, Singapore, Borneo, British India, British East Africa (Kenya), Australia, western Canada and the western US coast (ameriyuki-san)the Japanese girls who serviced the Dutch earlier were called Oranda yuki san. Karayuki san means "miss gone to China" and referred to Japanese girls who sexually serviced Han Chinese men.Those karayuki san prostitutes remitted money to Meiji Japan to help industrialize them and they serviced both Chinese coolies and western British soldiers and French soldiers. and the Karayuki san prostitutes acted as spies, spying on their Chinese clients and Russian clients during the wars against China and Russia.Japan had the Fugu plan during World War II, gave shelter to Jews and wanted to give Jews control of the economy of East Asia.Jewish engineers like Jerome Lemelson worked for Sony and helped them develop camcorders and walkman audio players.Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu helped build the atomic bomb in the Manhattan project. Qian Xuesen helped work on ballistic missiles. His cousin Qian Xueju (Tsien Hsue-chu) helped design aircrafts and work on jet engines and his son Roger Tsien was a biochemistry professor who got the nobel prize.
>>65053253>>65057297Jewish engineers like Jerome Lemelson worked for Sony and helped them develop camcorders and walkman audio players.You're a weeb who believes Japanese JQ statistics (Japanese didn't invent a single technology and copied it all from the UK during the Meiji restoration). Jerome H. Lemelson built stuff for Sony and the US gave Japan its rocket and nuclear program in the Cold war.Japanese farmers are 10 IQ retards who know nothing and were treated as chattel by samurai for centuries.a few outnumbered Portuguese destroyed a numerically superior Japanese force at the Fukuda bay battle in 1565 and embarrassed numerically superior Japanese at the Nossa Senhora da Graça incident in 1610. According to Japanese own accounts, the Japanese only managed to get the knowledge for musket making after a Japanese blacksmith in Tanegashima offered his own daughter Wakasa to a Portuguese man who showed him how.Japanese also gave Japanese girls (Oranda yuki-san) to Dutch men in exchange for Dutch science (Rangaku) learning how to build airguns and balloons from the Dutch.
