the eurodrone, whatever happened there..
>>65051163looks mad gay
Looking at the flags they're the most notorious cheapskates on military spending and are terrible at joint development and the result isn't surprising
>>65051172>three successful aerospace engineering countries>and franceyeah I see why that would fail...I guess the mid to high altitude two way drone has been losing out to cheap one way drones in ukraine. I could see why one wouldn't want to continue developing it
>>65051163she's a big girl (MALE)
>>65051163Never deal with France, period. Italy somehow made the FREMM successfully with them but I guess it was just lightning in a bottle.
>>65051172actually those are the Big Four EU militariesthe main problem, obviously, is that the bongs aren't there to push back on the frogs, so the krauts are forced to fight on equal terms without a 2nd vote in their hands. the pastas and the spics are just freeloaders
>>65051190>Italy somehow made the FREMM successfully with themthe Italian and French versions of FREMM has so little in common that they're different designs in all but name
>>65051163>whatever happened thereMaybe they realized the whole idea is stupid for Europe. I can't imagine this thing is any cheaper than a Reaper which costs $34 million dollars and any conflict that involves Reapers is shortly followed by lots and lots of Reaper losses. For America that is fine, they have several hundred of them and an infinite budget for retarded shit. European nations will each probably order like 20 and then cut that order down to like 6. If Europe builds these and there is ever a war against an enemy with air defense, they will lose 3 on the first day and the rest will never leave their hangers. This type of drone is a casualty magnet, you need to buy so many of them that loses don't matter and that is not Europe's style. If Europe needs this capability, then they are better off building / buying 50 to a hundred drones with a Bayraktar price tag for each nation than a handful of these White Elephants.
>>65051204are you being retarded on purpose?
>>65051270Get fucked shit head.
>>65051273crawl back to whatever sinkhole you slithered from, faggot. and shove your precious reapers up your prolapsed sphincter while you're at it.
>>65051163>French flagthat's what happened. Either avoid French involvement at all costs or just go entirely solo. the frogs are only capable of producing shit when they're by themselves
>>65051194Looking at past European projects the French basically just treat them like free money from other countries and try to hoard it all. Germany is just underfunded and Spain is Spain
>>65051163See the flag between Italy and Spain? That's what happened. Anytime there's a joint European military project that stalls out, under delivers, or runs massively over budget for a limited production run look for that flag.>First rule of Western civilization "The (gauls, franks, french) make everything worse".
>>65051163 Doesn't germany have some persnickety ass requirements for large UAVs?
>>65051163Bureaucracy, politics, lack of funding.
>>65051284No German politicians are the most cucked people ever because a lot of them are from east germany so they're indoctrinated to hate their military
>>65051172Those flags include the only relevant military "powers" in Europe
>>65051163Progress was smooth until they chose the Avio Areo engines and France threw a fit, blocking funding and leaving the program.
>>65051291>indoctrinated to hate their militaryThat was the West Germans dummy
>>65051304And Spain
what's everyone's problem with it? yes it's probably too expensive, coming too late, and it's nothing revolutionary, but it seems like a just fine MALE drone, plus it has a high payload. It will probably be just fine, so what's the issue? at least European countries will no longer rely on Reapers/Israeli/Turkish drones.
>>65051311No the east germans were indoctrinated to be the serfs of the soviets
>>65051326the mutt seethes it's losing margin against european defense conglomerates.
>>65051328And yet were far more martially oriented than the west germs
>france just ruins everything>ingores that France is the only European country able to develop and build just about all it's own gearsuccess breeds jealousy now watch as they seethe about itbonus points if they bring up American EMALS because that somehow makes building your own nuclear powered carrier any less impressive
>>65051326It would have been just fine as a MALE drone if it was available a decade ago at a fraction of the cost. This thing is supposed to compete against a design from the mid-90s and the fact that something so basic still won't be ready for several more years (assuming no further delays) demonstrates Europe's lack of care and urgency it has regarding its military.
>>65051311hasn't happened since the re-formation of the bundeswehr. commies and pinkos are still bitching about it to this day.
>>65051350>france tries to ruin this thread too with obnoxious autofellation that nobody every buys
>>65051343>martially orientedto be mindless soviet cannon fodder.literally soulless husks raped and abused into servitude.
>>65051350>able to steal and plunder just about half of it's own gearfrogs are backstabbing scumbags that gloat about getting away with perfidy like russians.
>>65051355>if you think the french are neat you must be a frogrent fucking freeit just strikes me as odd that a country that manages to keep just about all of their own projects on budget and on time is the one that is to blame for joint projects failing and not the country (Germany) know for budget over runs and late projects
>>65051364>on budget and on time>don't ask about the capabilities
>>65051364>if you think the french are neat you must be a frogyes, every fucking time. nobody else licks the frog boots by the frogs themselves.>that a country that manages to keep just about all of their own projects on budget and on timebecause none of those are french projects, just European ones that frogs inject themselves into to plunder and undercut, then gloat about it and cause a scene sabotaging them openly if pushed against.>more seething about Germanyat least Germany has a portion of it populated by human beings rather than uppity servile automatons, unlike france.
ITT:>west germans bitching against east germans>east gernans bitching against west germans>everyone against the french>everyone and the french against americansthe natural order has been restored
>>65051370>don't ask about the capabilitiesyes like having a nuclear onedespite having a smaller economy and population than Germanyplus they have more available aircraft, a bigger fleet and land forces that are bigger than their relative population/economy would dictateagain you can seethe all you want but the frogs are clearly doing more than one thing rightwhich begs the question, why do people always blame them for joint projects failing while their own projects succeed?
>>65051372>Germans aren't Ordnung muß sein automatons>but the French totally are lol, lmao evenhow brown are you?
>>65051376>muh nooks>why don't Germany have a carrierwhere have i seen this spiel before?
>>65051380>Germans aren't Ordnung muß sein automatonsoh, they totally are, it's just they still have a fraction that go beyond this, unlike frogs who are just as servile and impotent but more roudy and arrogant on top.and i'm less brown that your typical majority nigger "frenchman" that are card carrying memebers of frog jingoism nowadays.
thus France basing only proves my point.France gets blamed for every failed joint project. despite proving they can do projects on their own and having successful joint projectsfor all their arrogance, they get shit done and that's more than what most of Europe can say.
>>65051401>thus France basing only proves my point.that you'll double down on autofellation? yes, you always do.
>>65051343Being a brainwashed self doesn't make you a good soldier
>>65051357>>65051412Hey retards, the point was that it wasn't east german culture that caused the cultural devaluation of the military. Read the post chain next time
>>65051409let me check my French news paper to see how French I am
>>65051376>nuclear one>available aircraft, a bigger fleet and land forces that are bigger>don't ask about the capabilities, please only look at the pretty numbers
>>65051421>it's the vatnik jeet pretending to be a Dutchnigger again
>>65051419>it wasn't east german culture that caused the cultural devaluation of the militaryyes it was, it happened through unification directly due to east german and russian subversion
>>65051454NAYRT but consider this alternative take: the Cold War was nearly as damaging economically on Western Europe as it was on the Warsaw Pacthow damaging was it? kind of like the USSR minus 3 decades of financial decaywhich is why we are only seeing the effects 3 decades lateror in other words: the EU trajectory is the same as the USSR's, only delayed
>>65051421Handwriting analysis complete.99.4% indian old man with a pot belly
>>65051163>eleven years old, practically a fucking proof of concept
>>65051455>NAYRT but consider this alternative take: the Cold War was nearly as damaging economically on Western Europe as it was on the Warsaw Pactcomplete bullshit. it was the reason for Marshall Plan that rebuilt West German economy and revitalized Europe and no Western European country was nearly as poor and decrepit as russia or the soviet colonies were at any point in time.how about you neck yourself you pinko faggot.
>>65051163Was this the drone that Germany refused to allow weapons on until the Ukrainian conflict really kicked off?
>>65051464Not only did the soviet union not fund the reconstruction of eastern germany (europe), they actively sabotaged it by dismanteling infrastructure and remaining industries to ship it back to the heartland (soviet republic of russia). Any growth and innovation happening in the non russian eastern block was in spite of the russian dominated soviet leadership
>>65051339the mutt shouldn't have said the quiet part out loud about the kill switches
>>65051478That was the Israeli Heron drone leased to airbus where the Bundeswehr then bought flight hours from. Current status of the project is unknown to me (ask a drone fag) but iirc they actually are allowed to carry weapons now
>it's the French's fault that Germany insisted on a twin engine design basically relegating it to being a subpar Reaper I see
>>65051372>at least Germany has a portion of it populated by human beings rather than uppity servile automatons, unlike franceThis is perfectly wrong. Every single European alive knows how obsessed Germans are with rules and the "proper" way of doing things.
>>65051372I agree with >>65051501, krauts are servile automatons, frogs are ornery bigotsentirely different concepts
>>65051494I forgot how much modern German stuff is just repackaged Israeli stuff.
>>65051505Yeah don't get me wrong the French are plenty difficult to work with in their own way but they're not the ones known for booting up a work simulator for fun after getting home from work.
Whatever HAPPENED THERE?
>>65051505despite all the roudiness frogs are just as servile as krauts when it matters, they just act up and riot as a distraction.reminder that french have been living completely under the boot of their monarchs since before the revolution and the only thing changed after it was replacement of fat, useless and incompetent nobility with fat, useless and incompetent proto-commie bureaucrats.
>>65051489the mutt samefags spreading turd world falsehoods about Americans
>>65051506Quite sad really>MELLS -> EuroSpike (more like EuroKike) -> Raphael Spike LR>EuroTrophy (Leo 2A7+ and 2A8) -> Raphael Trophy>IAI and Boing Arrow 3>UUV Blue Whale -> ELTA Systems and Atlas Elektronik (jointventure)>Heron 1 / Heron TP -> Rheinmetall / Airbus -> IAIthere are probably more that I can't think of right now
>>65051505Meant for this>>65051506
>>65051546>>65051543Just shoot me please
>>65051497>subpar Reaper It's an embiggened Bayraktar Akindji. It can carry max 2.3 tons of payload (which quite a bit) with a pretty big combat range, and a fair pace of speed. Only issue is, it's a bit too big for "regular" drone work, since it has roughly the same characteristics as a WW2 twin-engine bomber. Which is why the frogs also sourced the Aarok, a drone closer to the classic single-engine munitions slinger design.
>>65051506that's more because they don't have weapons expertise in those areas, all their Euro neighbours hate their guts or are equally inexpert, and they don't want to buy American more than they absolutely have toNATO missile tech for example is basically down to either Israeli, French or American. the krauts didn't want to rely too much on the frogs.>>65051543>EurospikeGerms don't have good missile tech>TrophyIsraelis just make the best interceptors, periodthat's actually one of the biggest tech gains from the US-Israeli special relationship>Blue WhaleI dunno shit about drones>HeronIsraelis were doing drones before it was cool>>65051525no, there's a distinction. frogs obey their bureaucrats because their bureaucrats are still frogs. krauts would obey any bureaucrat, kraut or not
>>65051555>krauts would obey any bureaucrat, kraut or not100% true for the northern Germans from the plains even before they were repeatedly buck broken by the soviets, not so true for the mountain Germans in the middle and the south. kind of like southern France/Aquitaine except without the total despotic dominance from the capital and broad demographic purges every 100 years.
>>65051555>I dunno shit about dronesIt's obvious that you don't know shit about anything but sure, go of
>>65051600>AquitaineOccitania*, Aquitaine is the swamp on the sea shore
>>65051326>>65051188WHY DOES IT HAVE 6-BLADE PUSHER PROPELLERS 50% OF THE TIMES AND 5-BLADE TRACTOR PROPELLERS 50% THE TIMES WHYYYYYYYY
>>65051163Probably the “euro” part
>>65051618i guess because it's still a prototype and they're trying to figure out which propeller works best? don't you remember that avio joined the program, effectively replacing the drone's former turbines with their own designs?
>The drone's dual engines were a demand of Germany, which intended to use the UAV for surveillance over domestic urban areas and was concerned that an engine failure in a single-engine drone could lead to the drone crashing into a house. France, which intends to use the system over conflict zones such as the Sahel, has been critical of its cost and weight. At 11,000 kg (24,000 lb), it is over twice as heavy as an MQ-9 Reaper. A French politician overseeing the RPAS project, Christian Cambon, criticized it as suffering from "obesity."
>>65051163High payload, based endurance, twin props and pretty much exactly what we need right now. It's a rare case of geopolitics getting so fucked it made the Eurodrone more relevant than ever before.All in all worth the wait.
>>65051742frogniggers approach every joint program with the same question>but what about MUH COLONIES???shut your bitch ass up pierre you lala homoman, we have domestic concerns to worry about, we don't gallivant around africa while pretending to be a superpower, if you don't like it then ask dassault to build their usual overpriced temu shitbuckets, faggot.
>>65051163> Joint development Doomed from the start. Those are political projects, not military ones.
>>65051755France is the only country giving a fuck about its ex-colonies.
>>65051755why do you need a big fat reaper clone for "domestic surveillance"? Immigrants causing too many happy accidents hans?
>>65051764the eurodrone sadly started in the middle of the post austerity merkel era when the EU still gobbled up russia's dick and everyone was all kumbaya for the migrant influxes. designing a new drone was considered unnecessary at best (cause we can always buy reapers and america is our best buddy and will never, ever betray us) and downright dangerous at worst considering how militant were peaceniks at the time and how pissed were people in the aftermath of the 2008 economic crash.
>>65051747Hilariously, due to the bloat, it's now a feasible platform for a drone mothership, launching and datalinking smaller drones.
>>65051775can't call them immigrants if you make them naturalized citizens
>>65051389>i'm less brown that your typical majority nigger "frenchman" that are card carrying memebers of frog jingoism nowadays.>less brown>doesn't deny itoh I can imagine the darkest shade "no I'm Brahmin blady britisher !"
>>65051775look who's talking, mr "8% nigger population". you know maybe you should use that money to fund GIGN or whatever to finally clear out the banlieues, where the few ethnic french still living there do so in terror, instead of poking african warlords just to turn them on each others for shits and giggles. ever thought about that?
>>65051793what does this make france then? Europe's ethiopia?
>>65051548
>>65051795certainly, certainly...now, please film a tiktok on the nearest train track
>>65051792European grapes died off due to disease, and they had to wait for the disease to perish without hosts before america gave them grapes to start new winegrape farms.>its all american grapes now
>>65051803bet the americans grapes were Euro at first
>>65051755>we need those drones so our army can spy on our own people>how dare those french care about military applications the union and reunion of germany was a mistake
>>65051802>no u r jeetis this the best you can do, Mbube, the whitest son of France?
>>65051803Nah, they still have ancient grapes on random Greek islands, where nobody imported rootstock (because they weren't setting up new vineyards, because there's fuckall space there). And, IIRC, in Georgia (Gruziya), because too poorfag to afford imported rootstock (ironic how that saved them).Most varieties today are hybrids of old Euro stock and US vines.
>>65051600that image got a kek out of me
>>65051808>doesn't deny it
>>65051780>carrier has arrived
>>65051814>no u r jeet x3imagination matching your IQ, huh. in the low 60s.
>>65051825>calling other brown is dumb >that's why I called him a niggerby your own logic you are a 60iq subhuman retard
>>65051831it's only natural to follow the french jingoism to its original source, yet you being unable to find a retort other than calling me a jeet for multiple posts really drives my point home.
>>65051836didn't you call a Dutch guy a jeet for proving he's not french?
>>65051844nope, not mei fully believe that a frognigger would go on vacation across the border just to pretend that anyone except russians likes french outside of france.
>>65051806what is that? domestic security?? how awful, better just to have a fuck fuck fest like france where nafris can suicide bomb entire theatres worth of people and nobody would know any of that until it's too late.
>>65051851>the German secret service wants to put the opposition on the terrorist watch list>but those drones are for spying on brownslol
>>65051163>forward avionics dome so large you could comfortably stand in itAt this point just put a gaming chair and Xbox controller in there. They’re not gonna buy enough to make it a semi-attritionable asset so making it manned would at least harden it against jamming/GPS spoofing attacks that have taken down reapers.
>>65051848you fit the text book definition of delusional; believing ones fantasy over the presented reality
>>65051864>weaponizing gamersThat's against the Geneva conventions. There's a line, man. We can't take it too far.
>>65051350the only smart anon
>>65051865>over the presented realityonly in france waving the flag makes a nigger a frenchman, in the rest of the world showing a newspaper doesn't make you dutch.but i guess this is too complex a concept for you, 60IQ and all.
>>65051612TOULOUSE MENTIONED LESSSGOOOO
>>65051884To lose what?
>>65051864Fixed
>>65051291>>65051311Neither. It was the post-unification political realignment that saw the christian democrats move hard to the left and allowed 70s' student activists political influence which they promptly used to discredit the German military while supporting Russia's 'Legitimate Interests'.Basically, Merkel was a socio-political disaster. To an extent, she was a reaction to the Social Democrats' Schröder (whose move to the right ate into christian democrat margins), but frankly, that'd happened before with Schmidt (best chancellor Germany has had since 1871, btw). Kohl didn't react with moving the christian democrats left, he stayed firmly on the centre right lane, far enough to starve out everything to the right of the CDU and still win elections. And making Reagan honour Waffen SS veterans.Merkel charging so far to the left the christian democrats were suddenly to the left of the 80s' social democrats allowed a (Russia-aligned) right wing to the right of the christian democrats to appear, which promptly made traditional christian democrat issues its own issues while the christian democrats betrayed their voters of 60 years.Meanwhile, the social democrats collapsed because the christian democrats ate their voters, leading to the left wing splitting off and also becoming Russia-aligned opposition.The liberals collapsed because the greens becoming a viable political factor turned them from kingmaker into a christian democrat DLC.And the Greens made it their entire platform to destroy Germany's industrial base and maximise its dependence on energy imports, while simultaneously being schizophrenic transatlanticists who'll join every war possible when in power yet rejecting any kind of military expansion when in the opposition.
>>65051900Germany's political spectrum is absurdly fucked and basically tailor made to destroy the country's military while submitting to Russia's wishes.To some extent (rise of the Greens, collapse of the liberals), this was probably unavoidable.But Merkel's unprompted move towards left-of-centre was what accelerated the timeline to an obscene degree.But hey, it got her sixteen years in charge, and who cares that the long term consequence is literal traitors (Linke & AfD) now approaching 30% of the vote?Oh, yeah, and guess who dropped conscription and thus a key element in shaping socio-political consensus on military matters?Merkel again.I cannot emphasise enough just how much this woman has destroyed Germany in general and the German ability to engage in long-term military planning in particular.
>>65051844That would be me, and that's because we have a resident troll who always posts vatnik, chink or iranian propaganda, or d&c shit, and his schtick of the year is pretending to be dutch. Jeet most likely because they all farm out this shit to jeets
>>65051910why would he be pro french and post a belgian newspaper if he pretends to be dutch?
>>65051889TOULOUSE YOUR PLANE DOORS HAHHAHAHA FUCK YOU BOEING THIS IS THE AIRBUS CITY
>brown cucked shitholes calling each other brownlmao @ yurocuckolds
>>65051204Only awake person itt.
>>65051993how would I know the mind of a vatnik troll, anonit's a known tactic, armatard was pretending to be Swiss for a bit
>>65052003you'd assume that if he has to go buy a foreign newspaper he'd at least be capable enough to buy one from the right country. they also don't sell the weekend special abroad.so it would have to be belgian pretending to be dutch and proving it by posting a belgian newspaper.or idk it's not the vatnik
>>65051376>why do people always blame them for joint projects failing while their own projects succeed?Because France routinely insist upon joint project, insist it's built in France and then as soon come up with some excuse as to why they will no longer be contributing to the project (but will use the EU investments to start their "new" project)The French are perfidious garlic-russians but it is admittedly hard to hold it against them the 100th time they do this.
>>65051900The fact remains that that sort of shitlibbery isn't coming from the east lmao. All the culture rot set in in the Western portion of the state. Furthermore their green party is a well known CIA skinsuit and they act that way because the US has an interest in crippling their German ally for obvious reasons
>current year>Arguing about newspapersWho the FUCK reads newspapers? Do Europeans really? No capping need an answer.
>>65052059europe is third world, they haven't invented computers yet
>>65052053>The fact remains that that sort of shitlibbery isn't coming from the east lmao. All the culture rot set in in the Western portion of the state.complete bullshit, why are you trying to distract anyone from obvious and blatant offshoots of east german political cadre that are responsible for all this?>well known CIA skinsuit oh, you're an unironic commie that believes that CIA makes every leftist shithole into a broke starving cesspit personally. kys.
>>65051905She only took the CDU/CSU left in terms of social issues, not economic ones. She governed over the same corpo rentseeking put in place by Kohl, and strenghtened by Schroeder (despite Gazprom Gerry being nominally from the opposing party). If anything, it got worse than under Schroeder.
>>65052053>their green party is a well known CIA skinsuitThe fuck are you talking about? They're well known to have been apparatchiks of the KGB.
>>65052059some do, mainly old folks.
The biggest orders i checked amount to barely 20ish for a single nation, whereas the US has like 600 reapers and god knows how many predators. I know they're big and all and europe is more about consolidating borders than playing world cops, but how are they gonna use them? Like some sort of unmanned AWACS? cause there's no way in hell they would send them packed with missiles when they're so few and cost so many.
>>65052310Given that it has very high payload for a drone, and good endurance, it could be used as an autonomous mini-AWACS. Or a lightweight maritime patrol craft.
>>65052721>it could be used as an autonomous mini-AWACSan F-35 would fare far, far better as a mini-AWACS than a drone would, with vastly greater sensors, data processing and datalink capabilities that do make its observation utility comparable to an actual AWACS, within a smaller area compared to the drone and its stealthy design makes it actually capable of surviving while being close enough to collect that data.>Or a lightweight maritime patrol craft.you better be able to fit and launch a NSM, exocet or a harpoon or two from it for that, or a quicksink at the very least for that. i doubt it'd be able to compete with a Global Hawk just in unarmed surveilance.
>>65052790>within a smaller area compared to an AWACS*
So this is the power of Evropean Vnity in the face of ze perfidious Amis...
>>65051898Beautiful.
>>65051163Those 4 nations couldn't make a pot of soup together without at least one rage quitting.
>>65051204Trvth nvke>>65051270Dvmb nvke
>>65051163>whatever happened thereat a guess? germans.
>>65051515that tie makes him look like he's holding a drink. but he's not.
>>65052067You are totally blinded by your preconceived notions and I'm not the red under your bed you paranoid loser. Look at every state that was occupied by the USSR and the pattern is immediately obvious they all share a severe lag in economic development that makes them also much more immune to the US culture driven diversity inclusion post structuralist horseshit that has plagued western Europe for the past decades. Wealth drives complacency and turning everything into markets is also far more corrosive to social fabric and cultural traditions (like the martial traditions in discussion here) than the worst of the worst excesses of rampant bolshevism, which if anything acted as an immunization against the critical theory moment 30 years later. I'm sure the green party pushing the most noxious strain of Obama era wokeism mixed with suicidal jingoism is just incidental though you fucking moron, you clearly lack the ability to remain impartial in such considerations and therefore you should concern yourself with more small minded things than this topic. Crippling the engine of Europe is the US interest in the continent and insisting otherwise is delusional with how they've been acting the past several administrations, if not the entire postwar period. >>65052202Yeah and that was 45 years ago, if anything it shows they've always been a tool to be manipulated by foreign interests. It is certain they aren't acting in German interests.
>>65051898nature is healing
