Test loads edition.What are you reloading?
Little bit of everything
>>65052254Good answer
Is reloading worth it for 12 gauge, .223 and 6.5 creedmoor? If I just buy a book and try it at home with a reloading starter kit, how likely am I to blow myself or my gun up?
>>65052321Not sure on 12ga. The others you might save a little. If you're making hunting or high end target rounds you will. Follow the manual & you'll be safe.
>>65052321>how likely am I to blow myself or my gun up?Just stay with the specs of the loads in your book, start out at the lowest they say and work your way up if you need higher velocity.And never be afraid to ask questions.
>>65052372>.260 RemUhh hello Based Department?
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>>65051959I really should message the guy on ebay who made my .38/357 gas check die cutter. stupid thing broke after like 20ish checks cut from .012 thou copper sheet, but I can probably ask my dad to cut one out of tool steel and get it heat treated (when he has time (rare).the original producer left too small a web on the cutting stem of the die and the main body and it's back bore to release the formed copper cups. I don't want to be like hey I finally used your product after a few months but you cost me 125$ for 24 Gas checks, i'm not the confrontational sort.
>>65053648I'd try to get a refund or replacement
I'm loading shotshells for my Snider Enfield. Lemme know if anyone wants me to do a video on it, I've been thinking about sharing my knowledge.
To test:>2 batches, 45rds total of .357 >4 batches, 80rds total of 9x19mm>3 batches, 120rds of .45 Auto>3 batches, 39rds of .45 SuperI need to stop making new loads and actually shoot them.
Anyone have tried load data for 250gr .45 Auto?
>>65052412Definitely fun to shoot.
>>65051959I just loaded up two ten round test batches for my .30-06. Both are virgin starline brass, 56.0gr IMR4350 and Ginex LRPs. One batch is loaded with Speer 165gr hot cors and one is loaded with Speer 165gr BTSP. Hopefully one of them gives me a half decent 10rd group. I just want a good cheap hunting load that I can crank out in some volume.
>>65057126>cheap hunting load that I can crank out in some volumeBased.
>>65051959Loading 44 Mag with Pyrodex P using a Lee Precision hand loader.
>>65057561>Pyrodex PIs it smokeless? What fun is that?
>>65057625"Substitute blackpowder" is the official term; still produces a big cloud of smoke when it goes off so a lot of fun to be had.
>>65052254Can concur
>>65052321What the others said. Also, keep in mind precision loading setups are normally single stage and volume are multi-stage and that you will enter a nerd zone focusing on projectiles, powder, and cases. If all you want to do with a good single stage is 300 rounds of optimized 6.5 creedmoor for the year I don't think you'd break even, you'll probably have 10% better accuracy than trying 10 different factory loads, and averaged out handwork will probably be 2 minutes cartridge assuming youre 100% dead focused. Optimized means choosing a bullet and making it shoot accurately on a temp stable powder with a good velocity.>bulletsIf you care about range and terminal performance it can be a significant step up. Something like a 142 grain ABLR is cream of the crop but make sure whatever bullets you choose aren't too long for your magazine.>shotgunIf hunting and wanting to use optimized loads there's some significant gains in price to performance especially if boutique. It's a weird time where it makes a lot of economical sense to buy shells already with primers due to shipping laws for a hunting trip and discard them. Things like 3.5" with heavy payload of spherical tungsten #7 for dense 70 yard shots, #F shot lead for varmints, or even variations of standard lead shots.
>>65059624I was thinking more of recycling brass and possibly having a backstop in case of shortages or whatever other fake and gay happening will hit in the coming years. Seems like a better plan is just to stock up and make sure I keep the storage at a good humidity and temperature.
So apparently Sierra has .45 Super loads without calling it Super...
Let me know if anyone wants the other bullet weights.
>>65051959Can the freindly anon that posted the 8mm reloading data a few months ago please post data for 6.5 Swedish? I am trying to find a powder that will work with both, if that is ever possible, and I am looking to used a 200 grain bullet in the 8mm and 156-160 grain in 6.5mm.If anyone has any experience or advice with either of these calibers, I would love to hear about it.
>>65060387I got ya, frenSorry the quality is a little lower than my last postings. I was in a rush to take care of something
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>>65060614That's it for Speer vol 13 and Hornady vol 10I have older volumes of each if you really want later
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>>65061793Kek.
>>65060588Super sweet, thanks! I will take the time to look at this a little closer when I get home, but of the bat, it looks like there is a big jump from the ~140 gran projectile to the 160 grain. Also, that 160 grain has the BC of a bog turd, lol. It looks like I have a lot of homework to do.
>>65061793>>65062222>375 JDJThe best part is that is is absolutely unrelated to 6.5 Swedish.
>>65062240No problem
On order>500 .357 158gr FMJs>500 .357 158gr JHPs>100 .45 240gr JHPs>100 .45 250gr JHPs>100 .45 260gr JHPs
I'm burning through old test batches of 6.5prc, 308, and 300wm. Im kind of done fucking around with different loads....i dont have time any more. Once the test loads are shot i plan to burn through my remaining powder and clusterfuck of different bullets with a basic charge and saami seating depth. This will get me to the range but also free up some storage space.
>>65051959.30-06, 180 grain hornady sst on top of ~55 grains of imr 4350. Last tests had a sd of 12 fps. Working on seating depth now, got some comparators today.Pic related but old.
>>65064023Good bullet. Im >>65064010.I have the 165sst sitting at 2.8", fed brass, fed primers, and a healthy dose of imr4064...i want to say 46gr but im phone posting from my bed and my notes are far away.Cheap bullet, good for plinking, and drops deer and bears like a sack of hammers.
Almost done sizing and depriming my .357sI'll load 300+ for my next batch
>another 3# of Autocomp on order>another 3k large pistol primers on orderExclusively going to be used for 200gr SWCs.
>>65060387Speaking of 8mm, is it worth casting lead 8mm Mauser for reloading?
>>65066095Eh, if you don't cast already, probably not. You are limited to 1400ish fps before you have to put a gas check on, and they are harder to find nowadays.That being said, I cast powder coat and gas check 200gr bullets for my krags. It seems casting is best suited for larger bore stuff, like black powder cartridges.
>>65063631Based America first and only reloaded. What powder are you using?
>>65067392TitegroupAutocompPower Pistol2400Long Shot231296
Trimming .357sThe .35 caliber pilot doesn't fit in some cases, the .30 does and works. Whatever.
>>65067383With a gas check and powder coating, could a cast rifle round approach 2000fps?
>>65068675Can top 2,000 with gas check and proper lube even.
>>65064023Tested my loads today (25 rounds); average velocity of 2737fps, sd of 13 and an extreme spread of 50 fps. Smallest group had a case head to ogive of 2.652".Not my best shooting because of rain but I'm pretty confident they'll do what I want them to do for hunting. I'll get the last 25 loaded with this recipe and see how they do before I get some more bullets and powder.
>>65051959Someone gave me at least 25-30 lbs. of rifle powder on Wednesday. Plus some large rifle primers, and some 243 brass.
Well /rg/ this is it.I'm shooting my .45 Super reloads after 12:00PM today, Sunday, April 12th.Wish me luck. I'll post at some point afterwards.
>>65069951Fired all successfully. Recoil wasn't bad, brass didn't fly too far. 10/10 will load again. Eventually I'll get to borrow a chronograph to get velocity measurements.
>>65057126An update - shot both groups. The hot-cors gave me a 3" 10 shot group at 102 yards and the BTSP's gave me and 8 round group of about 2.8 inches. Average velocity was 2719 for the hot-cors and 2690 for the BTSPs. I've abandoned traditional "load development" as a bunch of bullshit, and didn't look at seating depth at all when I put these together. Didn't change anything about the seating die between bullets. .30-06 has lots of slop and lots of freebore so I think I'll give the 20 pieces of once fired brass from this test a 0.020" shoulder bump, load with hot-cors seated 0.020 off the lands, and shoot one big group of 20. These targets are a good reminder why it's important to shoot big groups - and I don't really think of these as "big." If I had shot 3 groups per load, I could have cherry picked the nice shapes and strings, declared a couple flyers, and declared my Model 70 the king of benchrest. This session also reminded me of why I drifted away from shooting the .30-06. These hand loads were mild, but I also used up the last of my old 168gr TTSX loads that were pushing 2900fps, blowing up rocks. For the performance you get, it's just a hard cartridge to shoot in volume.
>>65064023>>65064093I took a 6'8" black bear with a 165gr SST over IMR4350. Superb killing bullet.
>>65051959I just loaded up 200 rounds of 12ga with Lyman 525 slugs I cast a few weeks ago.>>65052321> IMO> 6.5 creedmoor yes>.223no. right now I just buy what is brass cased and cheap. I would only load this if I didn't have any on hand and store shelves are bare. I have dies, but have never used them.>12gadepends on the loading. Like .223, I won't reload any bird shot loads. I'd buy buckshot if I was out, and cast if I had to. I will shoot my own cast slugs over factory slugs.
>>65072714>didn't look at seating depth at all when I put these together.Seating depth is key.I got a box of pic related (it has a hotrod engine on it, it has to be good, right?), same bullet, different powder (62.5 grains) but seated 0.062" deeper than my loads and they shoot like absolute dog shit out of my gun (4" group vs 1").Find your best sd on velocity then start dicking around with your seating depth for your tightest group.
>>65073096Edit: I've got ten left I'm going to pull the bullets on 5 to my seating depth and compare the groups for funsies and to shit on hornady.
>>65073096>Seating depth is keySo I'm told. My experience with more modern cartridges, modern match bullets and large group sizes doesn't really support that though. I got interested in testing it myself after reading some blog posts/redditors (lol) and the Hornady podcast bros talking about their failure to prove significance of seating depth (besides function and safety) when shooting for large sample sizes. I can verify that 6.5CM with an ELD type bullet doesn't care much about 0.010 or 0.020 differences in jump.I used to do long ladder tests, looking for "nodes" and such, shooting 3 and 5 round test groups. They really don't tell you anything at all, in fact they'll just mislead you and get you chasing your tail. I think they actually made me a worse shooter - waste of practice time, endless spiral of systems testing under fairly high recoil. I had many 1moa loads... Until I shot bigger groups with them. This also solved the mystery of the wandering zero.The 06 is sloppy and has a lot of freebore, and the bullets I'm loading are not modern bullets, and I doubt anyone can tell me if a 30 cal hot-cor is jump sensitive, so I'm just going to load it fairly close to the lands for the sake of alignment and support. If I can get a legit 3moa cone of fire, verified with 20+ rounds, I'll be content. For the sake of my own curiosity I might also try some 155gr ELD-M's and some 168gr Gold Dots.
>>65074319Good post
>>65073126I was going to say you should do that
>>65069951excellent cartridge
>>65062240It's for moose on driven hunts
Anyone know if its possible to make good (think match grade) ammunition with standard dies? I want to start reloading for the 6.5creedmoor and am trying to decide to go with either the redding type S seating dies or the regular RCBS FL die set. For now it will be strictly fun target shooting...I'd like to get around 3/4" groups with the ammo
>>65075603Consistency is key. Do the same thing the same way every time and you can get match grade accuracy from any decently made die.Can also get better runout by rotating and redoing the cartridge after seating.
>>65075665ThisI make 308 'match' ammo with standard rcbs dies. I use an auto powder measure, I've found that consist powder weights make the biggest difference of all the things you can get autistic about. My buddy has one of those laboratory grade scales and gets extreme spreads of like 12fps.
Anyone else notice Hornady .357 mag brass is shorter than all the others? fucking annoying.I used to think it was my fault my reloads were all fucked because of me and the federal brass was like at least .040 longer
Anyone have any experience with sabots? Apparently I’m going to try to mess with them now…. Came across the file, have a 3d printer… with the varmint grenade 22’s and the sabot and gas check it’s just a hair under 80 grains…. Can test in 45LC, 454 casull or 460..
>>65075832Yeah it's because of their proprietary bullets. I agree it's annoying.>>65075846No but I'm curious to see the results.
>>65075741If you can find any winchester powder, it meters much better through powder drops (unless by auto measure you meant one of those auto tricklers)
>>65075741Kind of powder matters quite a bit too depending on conditions.Using RL15, it's somewhat temperature sensitive. If I chambered a round and waited for the wind to die down it showed a fairly massive jump. At least 50° difference between air and chamber.First batch showed 220 fps spread. Second batch with identical components but fired faster since the wind as gone was 48 fps ES.For comparison the Hornady "Match grade" ammo had 109 ES, shot the same groups, and cost $4 a shot. Not buying that again.
>>65071527Those loads were the following:230gr w/ 8.7grs of Power Pistol200gr w/ 9.5grs of Power Pistol185gr w/ 10.5grs of Power PistolThe next ones I'm going to do will be:230grs w/ 9grs of Power Pistol185grs w/ 10.9grs of Power PistolThen some from >>65060330230grs w/ 6.1grs of Titegroup185grs w/ 8.9grs of TitegroupI'm also thinking about:230grs w/ 8.7grs of Long Shot250grs w/ 7.9grs of Power Pistol250grs w/ 7.9grs of Long ShotI'm still waiting on 260gr bullets to arrive and I'd probably do 7.4grs of Long Shot and 7.4grs of Power Pistol for those.I really need to borrow a chronograph too.
>>65076119>hornadyDespite having a lot of their reloading tools and liking their bullets, I've been pretty well disappinted with hornady products as a whole
>>65075846What material were you planning on using?
>>65076762Pla for starters since I have it. Person I got the idea from reported no residue issues, just stabilizing ones… but the also had solid empty sabots going into wood…. Which would suggest to me that they’re too strong… I’m gonna try some different variations on solid base/thinwall “petals” and probably with a variety of different diameter bullets.. I have a feeling that the gas check, and solid base of the sabot or where you want it to be engaging the rifling, and if you can make the pedals thin enough for fragile enough, as soon as it exits the barrel, they peel back to hopefully cleanly release the round. Luckily, it’s trivially easy to print these, if I load them in 45 long colt cases and fire them out of a 460 X frame then I have a reasonably absurd level of overhead capacity for over pressure rounds. Along with a pretty sizable starting diameter to try this with maybe 44, 357, 40 caliber, and 22 caliber projectiles also the X frames got gain twist rifling which might work just a bit better on getting the softer material spinning up.
>>65051959lately only been loading paper cartridges for my .54 sharps, current load gets me about a 6 inch group at 100 or so.
>>65076789>paper cartridgesHoly shit, anon. That's fucking awesome!
>>65076789Based. I've messed around with paper cartridges before but all my black powder stuff takes round ball only, which complicates things
>>65076789BASED, tried 25gr of powder in my 1858 rem clone with cigarette papers wrapped on a wooden dowel and sealed with a glue stick and a round ball, shit worked flawlessly. I was however still worried about the debris in the cylinder potentially causing a problem
>>65072714>abandoned traditional "load development" as a bunch of bullshit, and didn't look at seating depth at all when I put these togetherso you're just wasting components then ok
>>65075603I'm very happy with my rcbs dies. I do admittedly reload very slowly, checking OAL after each round. I wouldn't load any better with match grade dies
>>65076789nice
>>65075603>am trying to decide to go with either the redding type S seating dies or the regular RCBS FL die set.Consider Forster FL sizer with their Ultra seater. The ultra seater is a sliding chamber 'match' style like the Redding Match seater. The Forster seater just doesn't have the micrometer seating depth adjustment unless you get the more expensive version with it. Forster lock rings actually work unlike the trash set screw rings that both RCBS and Redding ship with.
>>65076738>230grs w/ 6.1grs of Titegroup>185grs w/ 8.9grs of TitegroupIgnore these. Can't be used in a semi-auto at all. Modern .45 ACP revolvers can handle them but ironically a .45 Super can't.I'll try 5.5grs of Titegroup under a 230gr instead and work my way up.
Going thru my reloading shit, cleaning spent brass and reorganizing a bit. Got '06 in the wet tumbler now, decapping .303 presently, then on to fuddy fih auto.>>65076789Sick, this tickles my 'tism.>>65076825Need more 'tism anon. It worked for 18th and 19th century world powers, it can work for you too.
>>65078769>fuddy fih autoWhat are you loading those with?
>>65078773Nothin yet, got a bunch of poly jacketed shit i need my friends hi-point to chew thru first.I do have some factory loads, and some of my reloads; those have 5gn of win 231 behind 185gn hornady XTPs
>>65078769You've got a bunch of .303 to scrap already.
>>65051959>>65075603>>65078450>Consider Forster FL sizerI missed named the Forster dies on previous post. Standard dies/seater are the "Benchrest"Micrometer seater is the "Ultra" seaterThe standard benchrest seater/FL set ar a good bang for the buck. More $ than RCBS standard dies, and less than Redding Competition, but great bang for the buck dies. My go-to for a caliber that I want to make quality loads for. Whatever you get, just go with a FL sizer, and skip any bushing nonsense. The sizer die neck diameter on the Forsters can be custom honed by them to match your loaded round diameter/brass thickness so that you aren't oversizing the necks on each sizing. I like to take the sizing button out and use a neck expander mandrel die after FL sizing.
>>65078991Might get 1 or 2 more on some of those. Unless only once fired is ok for NZ?
>>65078769I don't think they made paper cartridges for rifles with round ball ever actually. Paper patching probably would not have sufficed. Though I do know of some psuedo cartridges using fabric that just required a bit more prep to use
>>65079229>I don't think they made paper cartridges for rifles with round ball ever actually.Aside from every military doing it.
>>65079229Go read Sharpe if you like hisfic, its right up youre alley.>>65078991Here, Ranjit, use this image as inspiration to fuck your sister instead of shitting up a thread you cant comment cunstructively on.
>>65077566cleaning as normal will remove any debris that dont burn up, my rem 1858 worked great until it got rust locked because I forgot to clean it>>65076793>>65078105>>65078769I also made lil cartridge packs from packing paper, with 10 cartridges and 12 caps for ease of storage and range use. at some point ill send it to larry flees for his modifications because it refuses to ignite the power quite often, even loose loaded. hopefully ill have it ready for mext deer season.
>>65077717Tell me what you think you're testing with 3 and 5 round groups.
>>65079242what brass headstamp is that and how many loads did you get before your .303 case blew up? are you full length sizing every time?
.308 with 165 gr TGK for my Hog Hunter.Various bullets, such as 175 gr ELD-Xs, for my 2 7PRC rifles (an X-Bolt and B-14 HMR).
>>65079237For rifles, or the smoothbores they used?
>>65080642This is a better place to ask this
I decided to run all of my potential .45 Super loads into GRT, added the Titegroup as a wildcard to see what it would do. The loads posted on various Glock forums when it comes to .45 Super are much hotter. I think these should be safe.
>>65081463For the 260grain bullets, I'm better off loading in regular .45 Auto w/ 5.9grains of 231. Sierra Volume 13 has standard pressure data on it.
I know Titegroup No 100 etc are strictly more efficient, but I just ordered this and I like having a bit of leeway on either side with a charge this small. How much of a detriment is casting fireball in a real self-defense situation?
>>65052254I didn't realize Australians reloaded.
>>65081970>How much of a detriment is casting fireball in a real self-defense situation?If it's dark out, do you want to have your eyes rapidly adjusting from dark to light and back to dark?
>>65082128So, buy Titegroup and double measure each charge
>>65082142>buy TitegroupYeah I like Titegroup. It's efficient. I use 4.4grs for light-ish 230gr plated .45 Autos and 3.5grs for light 115gr 9mm FMJs.>double measure each chargeYes. Be comfortable with what you're loading. Calibrate your scale evert time you sit down in front of your bench just to be sure.
>>65082100Wonder how they keep the powder from pouring out of the cases?
>>65080890Don’t know if that anon checks here, but if he does I wonder if he was using hornadys load data for their 200 gn xtp hollowpoints? Because they have sierras 200 gn hollow point entered into GRT, the sierras are longer so GRT thinks he’s seating them further down in the case since he used hornadys OAL… which I’d bet is why he’s getting massive overpressure predictions…. The sierras are a .62 long bullet, vs the hornadys at .55.
>>65082562Yeah that fixed it
>>65082562FUCKING HORNADY AND THEIR SHORT BRASS BULLSHIT>t. Not th3 44 mag anon, just pissed that Hornady short brass exists
>>65052254very boomer post
Can small pistol primer .45 Auto brass withstand more pressure than large pistol primer .45 Auto brass?
>>65082632I have a collection of 444 marlin brass that regularly annoys me because of this…. Debating turning them into shotshells
>>65082568Cool man. I was wondering, but not curious enough to throw it into mine. On a side note your in the quick view version of GRT.. if you go to the in depth or full mode you can add your cylinder gap and get more realistic results for the snubnose your loading for…. It’s not all that much different than the quick view honestly
>>65082568Also worth adding that GRT defaults to the Saami spec max pressure… guessing your in Europe since you’ve got it in metric, but the Saami max pressures for 44 mag and a few other rounds like 357 are a couple thousand psi lower than the CIP standards…. If your really chasing hot stuff I’d edit the max pressure to match the CIP since the pistols have to be built for that anyway and Saami is run by a bunch of wet blankets who think things like “not blowing your hand off” should take priority over having fun…
>>65083645I have it in imperial, but I used the CIP pressure setting to juice velocity. I'll play with the expert view. As an aside, +P is unofficially 10% above max, right? I have a retard strength rifle that can take BB/Underwood loads
>>65083682I think it’s generally understood to be 10% but I don’t think it’s an actual standard.. fwiw if the guns certified or tested to CIP standards then it was proof tested at 25-30% above max pressure… But as always if your playing with high pressure I’d verify and move carefully….
>>65083682+P is any load over the normal max. Aside from the 4 cartridges in SAAMI with actual specs there are no guidelines, official or otherwise.
>>65083682Also something worth looking at. In GRT somewhere under the powder list menu it’ll give you a ranking of just how much pressure data it has for a given powder, essentially something like a “confidence” rating. I’ve found great results with h110, and occasional surprises with stuff like lil gun. If your looking at buying powder for extra hot stuff I’d say it’s worth considering how well GRT models that powder…
>>65083691>4 cartridges in SAAMI with actual specs.45 Auto +p.38 Super +pWhat are the other 2?
>>650841999x19mm.38 Special
>>65084206>9x19mm>.38 SpecialThey don't have dedicated brass, it's just marked +p and is no different than non +p marked brass. .45 +p and .38 Super +p are their own cases different than non.
>>65084229So?Brass design is not part of the SAAMI spec. No need for different brass when the standard ,.45 included, can handle the pressure increase.
>>65084239>No need for different brass when the standard ,.45 included, can handle the pressure increaseThey're different.
>>65084242Starline is different.Winchester and Remington both use the same brass as their regular loads.
>>65084249>Winchester and Remington both use the same brass as their regular loads.Hmmm interesting.What do you think about >>65083063 ?
>>65084372There is not enough pressure for the primer size to matter.Until you pass .460 Rowland pressures it's a none issue and at that point you're using different brass.SP 45 auto brass was simply done for cost.
>>65079797I think that was either a hornady or a s&b, got 4 or 5 before it went plinkan with starting loads. Been full sizing for multiple smellies, down to one now.>>65080201Iirc, the bongs used the same caliber for their rifles and muskets
>>65084861They wouldn't use the same setup as the smoothbores by my understanding. The reason early rifleman often kept components seperate is because paper patching would not really work well for them. When they did use cartridges, it was typically with a fabric patch tied up and stuffed into the paper. Basically just a convenient way to store the components. British muzzleloaders did a video showcasing some of the ways they did it with baker rifles
>>65084665But what about loads that pass 21k PSI in GRT?
>>65075603100% possible with standard FL dies. The precision of reloads is more so down to how you reload. Make sure to use brass of the same headstamp/lot while starting out with making precise loads. Alongside that get the avg case volume and plug it into reloading software like Gordons Reloading Tool it may not be 100% accurate but the predictions have helped me load develop a lot.
>>65072816Leave the bears alone.
I set the cylinder gap bleed and measured the barrel properly. Thanks for the advice people from yesterday
>>65085097In theory, probably not. Fusiliers wanted speed, rifles accuracy. I figure a good part of it was cost and logistics, 1 ball for multiple weapons is easier to work with that 1 ball for 1 weapon.In practice i could see a greenjacket using the paper carts when they needed speed. Save em a bit of the fancy stuff anyway.
>>65086291She can bear my child in the back of a free candy van, if you know what I mean.
>>65079169>mandrel after fl sizingThat's actually a really good idea, I never thought of doing that. Mind you I've had to fumble my way through reloading with zero guidance.So FL size, mandrel, prime, powder, then seat?
Bump
So here's some published .45 Super load data. But when I enter it into GRT it says it's way over 28,000 PSI out of a 5" barrel. 28k is the max PSI so I don't want to go over that, but for example I fired 10rds of 230gr FMJs at 8.7grs of Power Pistol fine, max said 9.3grs, but GRT says don't go over 8.0grs (7.0 for standard 21k pressure loads)What gives?
>>65094658>max said 9.3grsForgot to post this also.
I figured it out!!!>>65094708 goes above 28,000 PSI but that's normal. .45 Super at or lower than 28,000 PSI is for guns without fully supported chambers, but strong 22-24# recoil springs. The "hot rod" ammo that's north of 30,000 PSI is where the fully supported chamber is required. The load data you get for Super from Hodgdon's website is sub 28,000 PSI, the data you get from Glock forums where people are using KKM barrels and 24# springs is the close to 10mm stuff that you won't get from Buffalo Bore or Underwood.
im a total retard and don't know anythinghow much would it cost to have a jig to reload 45lc and what individual components are required.also is the ppr in the current market worth reloading vs just buying more?
>>65097142Startup kits are around $350 these days, you'd need probably another $100-200 worth of additional hardware. But for .45LC you'd save at least half the cost per round. And you'd be able to custom tailor your loads and they'd probably be better than most factory ammo if your QC was good enough. And you'd have the hardware to load other calibers and save even more $ in the long run.
>>65097142You can buy the Lee loader for 45 colt #90263 for 45 bucks on ebay. They suck to use but are a good way to decide if you want to go deeper down the reloading hole. This kit comes with a literal powder dipper to measure charges which is objectively a terrible way to do it, but if you use a bulky powder like hp38 or universal can be ok. Your loads will not be very consistent. You can also just buy the 50th anniversary kit #90050 for 175 bucks and a 45lc die set for like 30 bucks and be set with a real press, scale, powder measure and priming capabilities. This is good because you can just buy another set of dies for whatever caliber you want next. Sure the Lee stuff ain't the best but for money it's the best place to start, you can also upgrade things as you see fit later.And yes, 45lc is worth loading for with the nuts prices I see nowadays.>pic related sorta
>>65098124>You can also just buy the 50th anniversary kit #90050 for 175 bucks Holy shit! That's a good deal. It doesn't come with a case trimmer, but you won't need that for a while. No tumbler either. I've never gone without tumbling brass, what are the implications?Also, I exclusively use Lee dies. What am I missing out on for 2x+ the money?
>>65098187I don't tumble most brass, just try not to trample it in the dirt and quickly wipe the crud off.Nicer dies are nicer, hornady rcbs Lyman all have much better finish and cut threads. But it really comes down to preference unless you are making giga autist extreme long range ammo in which case you'd get Redding dies.>pic unrelated
>>65099683Theres a story there, kek
Hey, it's me again. They guy who was asking for reloading manual images. I really appreciate the uploads, but I also wanted to get an actual paper manual. I ordered pic related and I wanted to know what you guys thought. It should be here tomorrow and I can still return it if you really think it's total crap.I am going to be loading 8mm and 6.5mm Mauser mostly and then probably. 45 ACP soonish. I haven't completely settled on powder type(s) and bullet weights yet, but the archive.org version has a good variety of load data. You can see it here:https://archive.org/details/leeprecisionmode0002leer/So, how did I do? Am I totally retarded or do you think this is a good book to start with? If you want any pages out of my new book, let me know, I would be happy to return the favor.
>>65099683>giga autist extreme long range ammoNah, not yet, anyway. I'm just trying to feed some clapped out old mil-surp bolt guns, although the case volume 6.5 Sewdish and selection if 6.5mm bulets makes building a long range gun tempting, but I need to get better at developing loads. I loaded a bunch of starting charges years ago, but never took the time to develop or even shoot all of them.
>>65100822Looks good. There's also Hornady vol. 10 as a .pdf. And Sierra has .pdfs per caliber for free. Having physical books is always good too, and make sure to cross reference when starting a load. Keep a detailed log and make notes. My log is several pages full, per caliber.
>>65100841>make sure to cross reference when starting a loadGood, idea. I'm stuck in analysis paralysis and a lot of the time, I think I have an idea, but that particular powdered or bullet isn't available. Powder seems to be really hit or miss on availability, even stuff they've been making for basically a century. It doesn't go bad as long as you keep it away from moisture and humidity, right?>Keep a detailed log and make notes. I was definitely going to do that. Is there a good template you recommend?
>>65100914>analysis paralysisYou and me both. I spend probably 30-45 minutes a day on GRT and spreadsheets seeing what .45 Super loads others have tried come up with. Most are above 28,000 PSI and some are above 37,000 PSI...Yeah like 28k for my USP and M&P and 34k-ish for my hot-rod LWA Glock seems safe to me at this point.
> buy an AR15> already reload for pistol and shotgun, so I bought a Lee 3 dies set for .223Rem> happily start depriming the first 50 cases batch> 20~ish cases done, bend the decapping pin over a berdan primed brass case without military headstampsFML to be honest, senpaiSpeaking of which, I HAVE QUESTIONS PLEASE!! 1- Never reloaded bottlenecked rifle. Is case trim a necessity for an AR? 2- How to safely clean the brass? I do clean pistol brass with wet stainless pin tumbling, but I can see easily inside them. Those small mouthed .223 have me in fear of forgetting some steel pins inside. Should I use another cleaning method? THANKS
>>65101231>bend the decapping pinThat is truly terrible, but the collet that holds the decapping pin should be loose enough that it slides up if it hits too much resistance. Make sure to adjust it carefully when you get your replacement part.>Is case trim a necessity for an AR? I am sure it is at some point, but it USUALLY doesn't become an issue until after a lest a few resizings.>forgetting some steel pins inside.They should just fall out when turned upside-down once they are dry. If you are super concerned, get a really strong magnet. It doesn't even have to be that big. Just strong enough to attract the pin through the case and run every case past it.Do you have a problem with the cases tarnishing a bit when drying? Mine take on a little color by the time they are dry no matter what I do.
>>65101268>should be loose enoughI bought the set factory new and got shipped here (live overseas). Read the instructions leaflet and it states, quoting: "The decapper is retained by a collet. Should it be overstressed by an obstruction it simply slides up without damage". So i just installed the die in the press and started decapping. After that, I had to loosen the collet but it was HARD AS FUCK to loosen. Had to carefully use large spanners and it got loose, then I straighten the pin and got back on track but I'll buy spares. I "reset" everything and also greased the collet and pin, just in case. I don't know if that was overtightened at the factory, I never used Lee before.>>65101268>tarnishing a bit when drying?My routine is to dry them and then store cases in containers, of course they don't keep that blingy gold shine forever but they look like factory new ammunition once loaded. But checking them with a magnet one by one can be a real hassle, I was thinking to switch back to dry tumbling or whatever, nevermind the worse finish but I really don't like the idea of shooting steel pieces inside my barrels.
>>65072714Bumping the shoulder .020 and bot .002?.020 is way too much.
>>65051959>what am i reloadingnothing atm, but that's because I'm poor atm and need like 1-2 resizing dies to take .308" boolets down to .301" for my Finnish proofed JFK no-scoping machine. Just fucking sucks noone readily makes 7.35 carc casts anymore. Also looking into .308/ 7.62 nato, 7.62x54r, .303 brit, and 6.5 jap as of right now since that's most of the full power rifle rounds I'm runnin these days. Pistol calibers would be .38spc/.357 mag, 7.62 tok, and .45 acp. Most of these are future endeavors anyhow, but it'd be nice to have a load book that has all of these with available powders in it so i dont have to try and find a substitute for bubba's 72 year old cordite flakes and the load conversions
>>650519599mm , xtp 124grn hp over 6.8grns of HS6. Fun round.
>>65101323The pins should fall right out when dry, or you could skip the pins for your wet tumble. You can still dry tumble after that if you want em shiny.Trimming isnt hugely needed if your sizing for 1 rifle, youd have to do it sometimes to go into battery. If you want to be autistic or have multiple guns in that caliber, trim every time.Dont be bashful with lube on your necked cases... Ill use a q tip and lube the expander and mouth of the die, inside the case neck, and a generous dose to the exterior. After i size and trim like that ill dry tumble to clean em up.
>>65102721What kind of velocity are you seeing out of that?
>>65102867Sadly I dont have a chronograph but the groups out of my Kp9 is about 2 inches at 50 yards. From what I saw it should be getting around 1150 to 1200.
>>65051959I live in a dense suburban neighborhood but always wanted to reload for stuff like .327 magnum, I mean a box of 50 is like $40. I figure I can save all my brass, make my own custom loads and save money. Do you guys think its worth it for me to get starting doing .327 mag? Do you think its realistic that I can do this indoors? like no in a shed out back, like in my bedroom ,etc.
Kind of blown away that it seems modt people reload pistols at all, let alone exclusively/nearly exclusively
>>65102912>like in my bedroom ,etc.Yeah definitely.
>>65102912Yes you can!! My set up basically looks like a reloader on a wooden TV dinner stand made out of wood. Its worth reloading if you can deal with the tedious nature of it and it is cost effective but you are supplementing the cost with time and its up to you if its worth it. To me I look at shooting money and my time instead of money alone.
>>65102999I dont mind the tedious nature, I work from home so I have a lot of spare time, id basically be getting paid to reload while I wait on more work. Ill have to look into getting a setup for it.
>>65102912See picrel in >>65098124Thats a cheapo plastic press stand and it works fine for everything except sizing bottleneck rifle. I use it while on the couch.
>>65103087Based
>>65102759>Dont be bashful with lube on your necked casesThere is definitely such a thing as too much case lube. It can trap air bubbles that will actually dent the cases. It isn't unsafe or detrimental to performance, but it is annoying.Here is the first thing I found on the topic.https://www.floridareloading.com/index.php/2020/12/09/proper-lubrication-for-brass-pistol-and-rifle/
>>65102912>Do you guys think its worth it for me to get starting doing .327 mag?It depends on how much you shoot and how much you enjoy the shooting hobby. Make no mistake, reloading is a lot of work, but most of us find it fun and rewarding. >Do you think its realistic that I can do this indoors? 100% Lee makes a hand press that is mostly only good for pistol calibers, but it's perfect for just sitting in front of the TV and processing a bunch of brass. It is a bit finikey for seating the bullets, but not too bad, plus, it's really cheap. You can get a "factory second" press only (scratched paint, most likely) for $50 on their website or a kit that includes dies for 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 Special or .223 for $75 on Amazon. You can, of course, get a set of .327 dies separately.https://leeprecision.com/factory-second-breech-lock-hand-press-only-wh-d11b-2It is a decent way to get starting and if you decide you want a bench mounted press later, you can still just use the hand press to size brass on the couch or at church or at the DMV ot wherever.
>>65102999Obligatory
>>65102941Americans basically only fire at pieces of paper
>>65103449Its kinda .... similar
>>65103508In fact those are the minority of shooters in the US
>>65103449This pic was literally me after I got divorced. I bolted a press and powder drop to my coffee table and did all my reloading there. Girls would ask me if I was a freak or something
>>65103572>>65103612I have a lot of room, but it's too junked up and embarrassing to post.
>>65103408Huh, learned somethin today. Still, plenty of lube will prevent getting stuck and let it all move where it wants to go
>>65103888It's like sex. You definitely need a little bit of lube, but there is definitely such thing as too much.Like most things in life, moderation is essential.
I got my book!Let me know if you want any pics of the pages.
>>65102759>Dont be bashful with lube on your necked case>>65103408>There is definitely such a thing as too much case lube.You don't need a lot of case lubricant, you just need good lubricant. Imperial sizing wax, and Dillon spray lube are the slickest I've used. A thin layer and you will neither stick, nor dent, a case.
>>65104084I just use an RCBS lubrication pad and the bottle of oil that came with it. It gets perfect coverage and the little bottle lasts forever.
>>65101231i know that feel bro, also bent a few because the flash holes on igman brass are not only smaller than everything else but also off center most of the damn timefor tumbling i dont bother anymore with using pins i just tumble without and the insides become clean enough to not effect priming or loading. but dumping the tumbled cases into a large bowl of water and then shaking them out underwater helps to get the pins out just fine>>65101268quick squirt of jet dry when you add the soap gets rid of the water spots
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>>65105594Seriously, any advice on note taking would be appreciated. I do better woth spreadsheet style chairs than esoteric journal entries, but any advice is welcome.
>>65105743OK so I track all steps. Typically for handgun it goes (w/ variations):>cleaned/polished/tumbled>sized>deprimed>cleaned primer pockets>max case length>if any were trimmedI now separate trimmed and non because I had some buckle in my crimping die like a fool. Lesson learned.>case mouth flared/"bellmouthed">primed and with what primer type>powder name and charge>bullet brand, type, weight>bullet seating depth>overall cartridge length>crimped statusI have a log book where I keep my final data, and I label with batch name and number >45-1>45 Super-2>9x19-5Also included in the label is bullet type and weight, powder type and weight.
>>65105767>log bookForgot pic
>>65105767>>65105771Awesome. I really appreciate that. I think this will help a lot.
>>65104061Lee is underrated. What does it say about 223 in the 70 grain bullet range?
200 grain Gold Dot over 21 grains of Accurate No 7. I can't wait to get a chronograph and see if these really do 1300 out of my Combat Magnum
>>65107003>200 grain>do 1300What caliber?W/ 8.8 grains of Power Pistol in .45 Super and a 200gr bullet I'm doing ~1250fps from a 6" barrel.
>>6510702944 Magnum
>>65107036Based.
SexI could crank these up to 1400 fps, but these bullets are already gonna fragment like crazy so there'd be no gain
This actually is saving money. This particular load doesn't exist, and if it did it would be 2.50 a round
>>65107029deadly
>>65106247>Lee is underratedThey really are. I picked this because it had a wide variety of information and wasn't just>Here's how to load our powder/bullets there is a lot of >Here's how to use our equipmentbut the data is what you're mostly after. I will say that other manuals present the information more clearly, but it meets the standard Lee value proposition. >What does it say about 223 in the 70 grain bullet range?Can you read that well enough? How does it compare to other data?
>>65107029>.45 SuperWhat gun are you using?
>>65107963For hotrod loads under 36,000 PSI I have my LWA "G21L" >>65069951But for loads under 28,000 PSI I have a USP 45 and my M&P 45 with a DPM spring.
>>65108123Do you need a specific barrel to run high pressure stuff, or do you just care more about the USP and M&P?
>>65108425>need a specific barrel to run high pressure stuffYes you need a fully supported chamber. Although the M&P 45 has a fully supported chamber, I don't want to put excessive wear on it. The USP could handle it too, but again with the excessive wear. My LWA I purpose assembled for hot .45 Super on account of the longer slide.In theory I could put the 28k or less PSI in a factory G21 non-fully supported chamber as long as I had a 24# recoil spring. That's the idea behind the stronger brass as long as it isn't excessive in pressure. I do have a 1911 I could test it in, but my dad gave it to me so all I'll shoot in it is standard pressure. I'd never put Super through my P220s on account of the aluminum frames.Some day I'll get a 2nd 1911 and a .45 ACP revolver for further hot rod Super shenanigans, but the essentially +p+ under 28k PSI is fine for my USP and M&P.After I finish my current reloading batch I'm doing more .45 Super. 2 normal with Autocomp powder, 185s and 230s, and 1 hot rod with 8.3grs of Power Pistol and 260gr Speer JHPs.
>>65108448I need to stop hanging out here. Now I want to build a .45 Super Glock. I have a 1911, but I don't want to thrash it. What's it like to shoot?>P220s on account of the aluminum frames. They did make some in stainless. I have one in .357S IG/.40 S&W. It's great.
>theres a 445 supermag contender barrel on fuddbroker right nowfuck its really tempting but i bought a bunch of shit for my computer last month so itd be financially dumb to step into the world of contendersmysterious 50 magnum contender anon quick i need you to post more images of yours to soothe me yet make this temptation worse
>>65108637>1911, but I don't want to thrash itIt would just wear faster if you fed it a steady diet.>What's it like to shootKinda like 10mm honestly. I've had hot .357 revolvers that kick more, but I'm somewhat conservative with how I'm loading my .45 Supers.Next batch is going to be 9grs of Autocomp under 185s and 7.# under 230s, can't decide yet I'm still messing with GRT.>They did make some in stainlessYeah but unfortunately my 5 P220s aren't and when I get another it'll be the 10mm one.
>>65051959For .32 acp, would .312 bullets work like is commonly and somewhat abundantly available for .32 s&w long, .32 h&r and .327 mag? I know its ".3125" but does .0005 inch really make a difference here?
Doing my first 22-250 loads. 38gn H380 behind 50gn nosler spitzers, cci200 for primers. My book calls for the magnum primers, but i should be ok for punching paper.Gonna do a few clips of '06 for the M1 next, it likes 55gn of the superperformant, maybe itll do alright with h380.
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>>65109558>does .0005 inch really make a difference here?I shoot .451" and .452" out of .45 Auto. Just check it in GRT but it should be OK.
Anon was asking about trimming cases in the last thread... Im rockin this lyman universal, has heads in common calibers and will do rimmed/rimless, has shanks for hand turning and one for 1/4 drill for speed. I like it better than the case prep centers you see, i can hand trim down to 0.001 if the tism takes mePictured is my proof case for 30-06, it lives with the dies so i can set up and go quickly>>65052321I need to get setup for 12g, got a vintage double barrel>>65057561I like the alliant black mz better, smokier and easier tor clean
>>65110046Dumb dumb idiot question here, are you worried about over trimming w/ the drill even with the stops set?
>>65110046random anon here, I've done some selective 12ga loading since they don't hardly stock the proper powders, hulls, primers, wads, and shot in my area. I got a screaming deal on a mec 600 jr and that was so much better than the 40$ lee load all. if you guys want to go for 12ga loading, get a mec.
Do I need to anneal my 223/556 brass every time? How long does mid pressure 556 brass last? I only ever reloaded 12 gauge for trap, never did 556 so I was planning on tossing the brass every 3rd reload, or would that be wasting it? Pic related is my humble poorfag 12 gauge reloader setup
>>65110149I literally load .38spl cases until it fails, .556/.223 cases are so plentiful that unless you're trying to load rounds that'll put 5 in a 1/4 inch at 300 yards don't worry about it.
>>65110182All I need is minute of torso target at appropriate distances so thats good to know. I load win AA hulls with the same mentality. I have thousands but only load 125 hulls until 3rd reload (4th loading overall) then just toss em. Cool that I can carry that over to the all brass side of things.
>>65109438.445 supermag barrel would be cool as hell. Actually just recently got the custom reamer in to thin the neck of the 7mm prc brass I’m converting so I should finally get some forward progress towards getting to shoot some new 50 Alaskan mag.
>>65110189Wish it wasn’t prohibitively expensive to have brass made or restamped…
>>65110187it's funny I load a home grown 158gr semi wadcutter hallow point FBI load when I'm a big resident evil fan. 5.3GR unique under a federal primer. and that shit would be a magnum round, while i sit in my garage and knock them out by the dozen, dependin on how many wheel weights I can find.
>>65110214>unique>mfw all Alliant is out of stock
Ahhh freshly wet tumbled .45 acp brass....Wet tumbling is such a fucking pain in the ass idk why I do it if all i do is shoot a 10 inch gong on blm land.
>>65110109It does happen, if they arent locked in tight or you put too much pressure. Dont need to push hard, just firm amd listen to the sound of the drill straining.Ill put the proof case in after so many, shove the shank in then check for gaps on the stops.>>65110127Ill put it on my list, ty>>65110149Perodically, for case life. Ive never annealed my '06, and some of my oldest cases are splitting at the mouth. But like the other guy said, 223/556 is cheap and plentiful, you wont need to if you dont want to.>>65110387It makes the brass look good, and easier to find
>>65109493>5 P220sAnon, you might have a problem...
>>65111474The trim length and the minimum case length are usually appreciably different. For instance, the .30-06 trim length is 2.484 inches while the minimum case length is 2.474 inches. .010 isn't all that much, but you have some wiggle room. Of course, you should always double check your data.It is infuriating that all the dimensional drawings for reloading lack tolerances.
12ga steel birdshot reloaded with a 15mm steel ball bearing in a 4-part 3D printed discard sabot.
>>65110194I resize .30-06 .270 etc to 8mm and I like that the head stamp is wrong. I bet the RSO would have an aneurism if they knew, lol.I don't always shoot at the Fudd range, but it's 12 minutes from the house.
>>65110387>Wet tumbling is such a fucking pain in the ass It so totally is. I just started and I'm worried about lead. Apparently dry tumbling is also pretty bad.I have a lead testing kit coming in tomorrow. I'll report back
>cases cleaned, sized, trimmed, polished, primed>powder out, data checked, drop calibrated by scale>seater/crimper set to desired OAL>no fuckin boolits>mfw>>65111693>dimensional drawings for reloading lack tolerances.I figure its because each chamber will be a little different, but COAL is fine for most folks. Gotta slug your chambers for actual size, then trim/seat from there.Too autistic for me.>>65110387>>65111763Whats with these fags bitching about how difficult a simple process is? Last thread it was loading .303, now its wet tumbling? Next thread going to the range will be too hard, the guns in cases are just too akward to handle>lead testing kitNigga, just wear gloves and dont breathe the dust, simple as
>>65111863I'm processing large quantities of range brass, so it's hundreds of pieces at a time, not just 20-50. I probably should get some elbow length gloves.
>>65111870Better go full hazmat with an scba then
>>65112352On second thought, perhaps being a flippant about it will protect me.
>>65112530Lead poisoning isn’t all that bad anon. We’re all mad here.
>>65111638Nah I'm happy with those. I just want one 10mm P220 still.
>3,000 plated .451 SWCs delivered
>>65112352>>65112530>>65113222Lead poisoning is the worst because it makes you retarded and aggressiveImagine getting turned into a boomer and terrorizing your local applebees
>>65113222Yeah, but I've seen renal failure and it's super shitty. >>65115012I also don't want to be on dialysis.
Have an AR10 using middling .308 150gr loads w/ CCI regular rifle primer showing pressure signs, last round I shot the other day had a pierced primer lodge the blown out part in the firing pin hole in the bolt face. Factory .308 and surplus NATO 7.62x51 all showed pressure signs when I first dialing in the gas block so I thought nothing of it. Earlier test loads below published minimum loads were also showing primer cratering. Anyone else handload .308 for semiautos and get pressure signs irregardless if light loads or not? Not sure if I should be asking here or maybe /brg/.
>>65115732Check headspace
>>65107961That's actually good, thanks for doing that. Lots of powder choice. I actually had a lot of difficulty finding benchmark data for heavier bullets. I went and bought another powder that gets about 80fps more but that probably wasn't needed.
>>65060619That speer manual is cool with the extra photos. I mainly use hornady but I get sick just of seeing spreadsheets and red boxes
>>65095815Foreskin restored
>>65115771
Made 40 rounds of 168 tsx ammo behind 46gr of imr 4064. Goes at 2700fps from a 20" barrel, no pressure signs.
>>65116113where did you get 4064? or are you using old stockpiles because ive been waiting like 3 years to get some and cant find it anywhere
>>65116126Yeah, its old stock ive had for a while. It came in 5lbs jugs and only cost about $130 cad at the time.
>>65116113308? 2700 is the sweet spot of any caliber imo
>>65116113What are you hunting? Buddy of mine wants me to come up with a hunting load for him and I've been interesting in trying monos
>>65116195Yes, 308>>65116215Deer, black bear, and moose. Monos need to be pushed fast (min, 2100ish fps) for proper bullet expansion or you risk having them pencil through. They work good when they have the speed, lots of carnage without a shitload of lead.My hunting distances are under 200 yards so they'll be fine. The 168s would be great in a 3006 or even 300wm...ill be switching to a 130gr weight when these 168s are gone.
