I have gone shooting with or seen, 3 people who think these are an appropriate form of hearing protection at an outdoor range.
>>65052767WHAT? SPEAK UP, SONNY!
>>65052767No. But some hick family let their 3 kids under 8 run around behind the line with no hearing protection. So I sent as many rounds down range as fast as I could out of my mosin. After 3 clips I look back and they all holding their ears. If I can turn the poor and stupid away from firearms from an early age, then I didn't my part.
I was once at a range BSing with the owner about sporting clays. A redneck couple and their teenage son come in and want to shoot. The employee at the desk asks if they have ear & eye pro. They have safety glasses but no ear pro. The employee says that ear pro is mandatory, but if they need ear plugs they sell them for 25 cents a pair. Hubby ain't havin' none of that shit and immediately starts flipping out about how they're trying rip off his family over $0.75. Dude stomps out to his truck, comes back with toilet paper jammed in his ears, and tells his wife and son to do the same.
I’ve shot outdoors with earbuds and playing music too, they worked well enough for me. I shot some 9mm and an ar15. It was no problem
>>65052767just turn on ANC, you're good to go
>>65052767I see people going into INDOOR ranges with earbuds. They usually either run right back out or have done it enough times that there's no hearing to protect anymore. Same assholes rattling windows at 2am with sub-woofers that cost 10x more than the shitbox they drive.
I bought some foam pads for my apple pod things and they block as much as the foam ear plugs.I wear them to work overnight at a grocery store and it blocks out all noise but still alerts me when something loud happens.Once the fire alarm was being tested and rang for hours, it was definitely loud enough to cause damage but my earbuds blocked the noise while my phone kept blaring alerts about extremely loud noises. I just bought a bag of earplugs right there in the pharmacy section and handed it out to my crew and walked around to the overnight cooks who cant speak english and handed them some too so we would finish on time. I wouldn't trust the normal silicon shit that comes with it though.
>>65052783>If I can turn the poor and stupid away from firearms from an early age, then I didn't my part.Based
>>65052796How loud did you have your music? 5.56 is quite loud even outdoors.
>>65053801WHAT?? Type louder.
>>65052767>be me>first time shootin'>local indoor range with dad>have earpro half on>go in and fiddle with it while dad sets up his 10/22 and mini-14>affluent, wasp-y fellow lets 2 3 inch slugs rip from his over under>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.jpg>he looks at me>dad looks at me>dad's friend looks at me>pic rel>learn lesson>have great time anywayrest is history and fortuantely no permanent damage
>>65052767Their problem. It's still marginally better than the boomers who think you don't need protection in the first place
>>65053441ANC doesn't really work with instantaneous sounds like gunshots, homie.By the time the circuits figure out what waveform to make it's over.It's much better for continuous sounds like running motors.
peltors are moon-approved btw
>>65052767And remember, if you argue with the RSO you'll be kicked off the range and your membership terminated.BUT, if you flag people with a loaded firearm you'll get a sternly worded warning not to do that again.
>>65053801As a guy who shoots pretty much only outside 5.56 is still pretty loud, but you can have music at a reasonable volume and still hear it while shooting. I was listening to music on a cassette recorder if it's at all important.
correction: .223, not 5.56
>>65052796When was the last time you had your hearing tested?>>65057587The point here is protection not whether you can hear the music with your remaining hearing. If you have earbuds UNDER proper earpro, you have proper earpro with integrated speakers, or you're shooting the right suppressed setup, then sure you can achieve a sufficient NRR and listen to your music. But rando earbuds do not have sufficient NRR and it doesn't matter if you can still hear the songs between bouts of hearing damage.
>>65057587>you can have music at a reasonable volume and still hear it while shooting>tripfag saying retarded insane shityeah man music usually lasts longer than pop pop pop LOL
>>65052767No big, I went with a guy who stuffed mt .45ACP cases in his ears.
>>65057609I'm talking about music on a separate device (a cassette recorder) on a table separate from where my ears are, not earbuds. How's a guy supposed to wear earbuds and earplugs at the same time?>>65057677What are you on about?
>>65052767Honestly a step up from the retards that keep commercial airplanes from falling out of the sky.>be me>work QA in avaiation maintenance >literally all the old guys in the industry are deaf as fuck>young techs too stupid to see their future>they watched all the safety videos>obviously still don't care about their hearing>constantly have to tell them to get their fucking earpro >earpro is free and there's earpro dispensers all over facility>they don't ever listen, though>the other day a 26yo tech proceeds to stand next to a 777 Air Start Unit (constant 115 - 130 Db depending on run mode) for 45 min with no earpro>hearing protection placards all over the ASU
>>65057587>>65057789Wait what? So your strategy here is to wear 32NRR and then just, what, turn the music up so loud you can sorta hear it through that anyway? Like what the shit man>5.56 is still pretty loudYes no shit, it's damaging, just like effectively every other centerfire round in existence.
>>65053749I once absentmindedly went through the double doors at an indoor range with my ear pro around my neck. The very instant I realized what I had done, a shot went off and deafened me for a minute, with some residual ringing.
>>65057689>mtMight you work in the freight transportation industry?
>>65057849They have to learn the hard way. When my grandpa came to America, he laughed at those who suggested he wear hearing protection when working with loud carpentry tools. By the end of his life he was functionally deaf. He did concede that he should have listened.
>>65057879>your strategy here is to wear 32NRR and then just, what, turn the music up so loud you can sorta hear it through that anyway?Do you have a problem with it?>Yes no shit, it's damaging, just like effectively every other centerfire round in existence.I have yet to get tinnitus despite that. Shooting with earplugs is completely fine my boy.
>>65052767>go to local innawoods shootin spot (top secret)>kill a trash pile>between magdumping into trash, old man approaches me>"you keepin yer brass sonny">tell him "no, you can have it">I'm shooting my G3 today so have fun with that brass>about to kill more trash, notice Grandpa Brass Goblin doesn't have earpro>"hey I'm going hot, do you have ear protection?">"don't worry about me I'll be fine">Ok whatever grandpa .308 is pretty fuckin loud I wonder how deaf that nigga is.
>>65053441I use expanding foam tips with ANC on sony XMs, and wear a headset muffler over those, and guns are still too loud.Remember earpro isn't additive, since the dB scale is a logarithm. -30db + -30db = -33db. Triple -30 would still only be -34dbA 160db gun is still cuntfucking your ears when you're doubled up.
>>65053441ANC doesn't do shit with gunfire and earbuds alone aren't adequate protection from rifle fire anyway, your ears are still getting raped.
>>65057924>I'm shooting my G3 today so have fun with that brassThere is nothing unsafe or difficult about reloading brass from a G3/CETME, this fuddlore is perpetuated by turbo autists who spend 5 hours tumbling finished ammo just for the extra shine, so the slight indentation and discoloration from the fluted chamber is giving them conniptions (no, the ejection ding is not unsafe either, it just gets ironed out in the chamber anyway).
They are to prevent me shooting at noises
>>65054787I used to go shooting a lot at my uncle's place where we'd have are ARs out. He never would wear hearing protection, said they never did in the army so there wasn't a point now.
>>65058959This is why I only use lacquered steel case that looks like brass at a glance. Fuck the brass goblins.
>>65059486I can assure you no lacquered steel case looks like brass even at a glance, you probably meant copper washed steel.
>>65059494Fuck you brass jew
>>65059500I reuse my own brass, I refuse to touch brass that some unwashed rando touched who probably jerked off to gay furry porn in the car 20 minutes ago.
>>65059506That's a terrible thing to call your mother. Shame on you.
>>65057849>the other day a 26yo tech proceeds to stand next to a 777 Air Start Unit (constant 115 - 130 Db depending on run mode) for 45 min with no earproI was going to judge until I remebered I used to launch F18s (crouching probably 15 feet away from the exhaust, full afterburners) wearing only the 23NRR David Clarks. Doubling up with foamies just completely eacaped mind until my second deployment.
>>65053441Noise reduction, not impulse reduction. Noise as in people talking and cars going by. It's done by playing the outside noise 180 degrees out of phase through the speakers, cancelling the noise electronically, not mechanically like earmuffs.
>haha man my hearing is already terrible i dont need earplugs!t. every retard at work
>>65053878>no permanent damageNo significantly notable permanent damage, if you hear the EEEEEEE, damage has been done.
I have no idea why but everyone seems to turn into a literal knuckle dragging troglodyte whenever it comes to anything related to their hearing, it's like 90% of the population just accepted that going completely deaf by the time you're 50 is just "how things are supposed to be" and won't bother taking two seconds to put on a cheap pair of $10 muffs, I'd like to say it was more of a problem with old people but the amount of millennials and zoomers who wear earbuds 24/7 cranked to max volume makes it clear that this is just universal retardation regardless of generation, imagine going deaf listening to fucking Taylor Swift.
>>65057917>I have yet to get tinnitus despite that.Most people lose hearing for a long time before actually getting the EEEee retarded tripfag friend. High frequencies go first, often it's not very noticeable. Damage is all cumulative though. You might well win out and be fine, but you're not going to find out how your bet went until you get into your 60s or 70s.
>>65059606Yeah I don't get it either. Also not just laziness, a lot of people do the same thing around ANY safety stuff, be it eyepro or lead, and will absolutely spaz out about it on top with massive denial. To be clear, I have no issue with adults making informed tradeoffs. If someone is like>"yeah I understand the risk, don't deny it and take some measures but for xyz reasons I'm not doing more"then maybe I do or don't agree with said reasons but at the same time fair enough. No need for anyone to be their nanny, they've done their own calculus on cost/benefit.But I don't get vehement denials that there is any risk or issue at all.
>>65059606Boomers and Xers think wearing any form of protection makes you a faggot.I already had a fragment of a bullet embed itself in my ESS Ices that most likely would have taken my eye out otherwise.
>>65052796Hearing damage is cumulative, brother.>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee< Get used to it. Or get proper ppe.
>>65059606Just wait until you read about long term hearing changes and couple it with the relationship to vehicle cabin noise exposure.It's never been proven that no damage accumulates below 80db exposure. Only that that is considered the acceptable threshold limit to prevent noticeable hearing loss over some tested amount of time.
>>65059628Most boomers and Xers who are shooters and have severe tinnitis are also veterans, did civilian jobs around loud as shit equipment, or both. Nobody is wearing hearing and eye protection doing a combat op at night unless they're a fucking flight deck crewman, and wearing earplugs while falling trees on a logging crew is a great way to get run the fuck over by a skidder, for instance. Those men did jobs that require hearing acuity and just took the damage from loud shit in the same AO. Meanwhile, you pussies can't take a shit without wearing a fucking seatbelt.
