could lockheed make a combat-orion for spaceforce?
>>65053024illegal
>>65053024Just let them build a *proper* Orion instead
>>65053056Based nuclear pulsed propulsion enjoyer
>>65053024counterspace ops take a long time, often measured over days to months. orion can last awhile in space but you'd just be risking astronaut lives for no benefit. you'd be better off making a replacement for the x-37b.
>>65053024>could lockheedNo. When it comes to space Lockheed can do approximately nothing in a timespan that isn't measured in generations. If I had my way, I'd ban Lockheed, Boeing, and Northrop (and their associated subsidiaries) from bidding on any future space contracts ever again.
>>65053791what about millitary stealth-orion with provisions for longer stays in orbit + an inflatable crew barracks where they can chill out during peactime
>>65053024Orion is garbage. It's too heavy for LEO and lunar ops (which is why the horrendous Gateway program existed), and too small for Mars or the asteroid belt.
>>65053817>stealth-orion with provisions for longer stays in orbitI would assume it's already got as much life support as it can possibly fit given that's literally all it does, more endurance would require extra modules or a new design.
>>65054070>LEOIt's a planetary exploration spacecraft, not for Earth orbit missions>lunar opsHow? what's 'wrong' with itDid you see the imaging/data from flyby yesterday?
>>65053024No, but a weaponized Pegasus would be the premiere anti-sat and general orbital interception system
Just strap rocket tubes to an ACES lander.
>>65056771Did you notice that they didn't even try a burn into LLO, just took the free return trajectory? Orion is too heavy, which is why that whole Gateway station in its wonky orbit was required. And the upper stage that was supposed to have enough fuel to get it there has been cancelled along with Gateway, in favor of just using Centaur V.And finally, despite its higher mass, it's wholly insufficient for missions past the Moon, even though that was the reasoning behind making it so heavy in the first place. It can't handle a years-long mission.
>>65053024>couldSurely>wouldThere’s literally a global treaty against putting weapons in space which even the U.S. has signed, and it rarely ever agrees to anything that nerfs its military capability.
>>65056993I honestly don't think that will amount to shit once we start actually building in space. The first act of sabotage or theft (piracy) and it will be all kinds of shit that countries have either been waiting to test out, or had secretly already deployed for years.I wouldn't be surprised of X-37B isnt refueling or re-arming weaponsat stations
>>65057013The US doesn’t even use nukes tactically despite never having signed a treaty obligating themselves not to do so. Weaponizing space is an unparalleled escalation that would never happen short of an outright world war scenario.
>>65057028you don't think>ultraconservatives bomb a space elevator because we arent supposed to leave Eden>"""oil nations""" bomb a solar power station because muh oil>resource asteroid worth billions gets hijacked>usual suspects make a shoe bomb and blow up a hab on the moonI dont even watch "For All Mankind" but you can't think of any kind of "humans will be humans" scenario that winds us up to this point? im not saying this to troll you at all, maybe im the one being dense. I just don't think we leave the knives in the cradle.
>>65056981>burnA different attached stage and service module than ESM (which was based on an Earth-orbit requirement) can be used, Gateway station project evolved out ot the prior-conceived Moon exploration using the cislunar 'base station' concept. the 'big beautiful bill'<--garbage gigawaste compromise Congress legislation killed itTL/DR what we're doing rn is gimped (and the fucking Constellation-Altair-Orion-Artemis-_________ lunar mission capable developments have gone on for two decades)>past the Moon>handlethey'll be usinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Transport(you can't use just a 4-personnel capsule to travel to Mars)
>>65053024That's classified.
>>65056993>>65057013>>65057028The Outer Space Treaty was signed in 1967The Soviets broke it in 1975 when they launched Salyut-3 equipped with an R23 autocannon and, over the course of three experiments, fired off its 32-round magazineAlso in 1987 the Soviets attempted to launch an orbital laser, Polyus. It would have been one of the largest objects ever put in space; 80 tons, 37 meters long, 4 meters wide, a one-megawatt carbon dioxide beam. Likely would have enabled them to destroy anything in orbit.It burned up on launch.
>>65057458>b me>soviet commie as fuck>Reagan wants to kills us with Star Wars!>we must counter!>oh, and make a space shuttle and call it Buran>b me>broke as fuck commieStupid commies.
>>65057458Interesting, I did not know that about Polyus. Thanks, AnonI wish The Lunar War would get their shit together, SAD Frontier puts out a lot more shit by himself
>>65057458interesting I remember the space cannon but never saw pic of it
>>65056981Orion is not too heavy, SLS is an underpowered piece of shit, and it's also missing the altair lander from the original constellation program it was plucked out of that would be able to donate it's own delta-v for TLI.that, along with it having a pitiful "interim" upper stage at the moment is why SLS is a complete mismatch for the artemis program there's a reason people call it the Senate Launch System.
