What does Iran have that can even shoot down an F-15E? Like how could it not Fucking Doge the missiles or launch chafe and countermeasures? Isn't the 2nd pilot supposed to Fucking be using ECM to jam the missiles too?
>>65053402F-14
IGLA SPAMMING FUCKING SHITS!
>>65053402>Isn't the 2nd pilot supposed to>2nd pilotPlease fuck off and stay fucked off.
Looks like the browns just got up
>>65053402long range IR missiles, when the planes go low altitude to evade or avoid radar systems they are vulnerable to ir. still a lucky shot, usa was reckless using planes without top ecm systmes to avoid having to go low with a radar lock
>>65053425The plane has 2 pilots! Haven't you been reading the news? They got one right away but did not get the other and they were talking about the 2nd pilot having to evade capture for like 30 hours!
>>65053440NOOO ANON YOUR SUPPOSED TO CALL HIM THE WIZOOOOOOOO LIKE A HECKIN AIRFORCE DUDE WOOOOOOAAAH
>>65053402Guns. Anything that can be seen and targeted with by a MANPAD can be engaged by a S-60 or Oerlikon both of which they have. A KS-19 would absolutly do it but in this case it probably wasn't flying HIGH enough to track. If it was low enough a ZU-23-2 or even a really lucky KPV in the right place. And of course the Octo blaster if it knew they were coming and timed turning on the radar at just the right moment:
>>65053402Seeing all the FLIR footage it seems to be an optically guided passive detection SAM. They prepared for war against the US knowing HARMs exists.The only ECM that could work is a dazzler which requires finding the tracker and as far as I know the US doesn't have an dazzler pod in service.
>China turns their S-300 knockoffs into Patriot knockoffs in order to copy the US>Iran develops a brand new non-emitting IR SAM in order to counter the USHow is it that a bunch of brown people from the asshole of the world are so much smarter than a supposed up-and-coming superpower? Imagine if the Persians had access to China's resources.
>>65053507the average IQ of iran is probably about the same as the US
>>65053507>socialized education at all levels>94% literacy rate (US is 80%)Iran isn't Afghanistan, they prioritize education to survive economic isolationism forced by sanctions.
>>65053402Why does that guy have such an extremely punchable face?
>>65053513>>65053511Aren't these things true of China as well? Why haven't the chinks managed to develop effective counters to American technology?
>>650535611) China isn't going to go to war with the US because they US has never attacked a nuclear power2) Iran was going to be attacked by the US because they weren't a nuclear power3) China has the same issue as the west, the best paying jobs are in finance not engineering so that is where the talent goes4) China rarely invents, they clone and produce the clone cheaper
>>65053511Iran's is actually ~9 points higher, the US is suffering from a reverse Flynn effect for years now >>65053513Its funny seeing many of their military officials have philosophy phds
>>65053606Power plant day is tomorrow, don't forget to set your clocks back 10,000 years to the Stone Age.
>>65053610Yeah you're a ghoul relishing the liberation of Iranian civilians from this mortal coil, but at the same time no one would care if you slit your wrists tonight so
>>65053561>>65053606Chinese people with a military background who are western educated have a suprising amount of specilized agriculture degrees, i meet a dozen who have them in turf grass management.I was a student at one of the worlds best universities that did research on salt resistant grasses to prevent beach erosion, the campus Confucious Society regulary had my politically connected advisor visit land reclimation projects. He is the 1# cause that those artifical SEA islands don't fall apart.
>>65053402Inellesting,
>>65053402>What does Iran have that can even shoot down an F-15E?SAMs, MANPADS, AAA and (assuming that Iran has any left, somehow) aircraft.>Like how could it not Fucking Doge the missiles or launch chafe and countermeasures? Isn't the 2nd pilot supposed to Fucking be using ECM to jam the missiles too?Countermeasures aren't infallible, SEAD/DEAD isn't infallible, human pilots are not infallible. Without knowing the tactical context of the shootdown there isn't that much to talk about because it could have been anything. Maybe the Chinese are using Iran as a firing range and the missile that shot the plane down was an implessive prototype from the PLA. Maybe the pilot and WSO got complacent. Maybe they got directed over an area that was supposed to be safe but wasn't. Maybe the Iranians did a Serbia and concentrated as many assets as possible on one sortie to do an IRL Itano circus for a propaganda victory. Maybe it's half of these things combined.>>65053507>>65053561>Why haven't the chinks managed to develop effective counters to American technology?First of all, optically guided SAMs have been in service for like 55 years now. Second of all, without knowing how many they fired it's a little pointless to comment on how effective they are; if they've launched a thousand of them over the last five weeks and have one (1) mudhen to show for it then I wouldn't call it all that effective but if they've launched a dozen of them have one kill and three hits that's a whole other kettle of fish.
>>65053610Is that the same deadline that has been pushed back 4 times because Iran says if that happens no oil or desal plant in the ME will survive their retaliation?
>>65053658>First of all, optically guided SAMs have been in service for like 55 years now. How many of those are designed to be unidentifiable from the air (ie disguised as box trucks and not emitting anything to distinguish themselves from commercial cargo) and aren't shitty MANPADs? Yes, it's a simple concept, but my point is the difference between Iran building these and China building HQ-9s that would immediately be suppressed and/or destroyed in a war with the US.>Second of all, without knowing how many they fired it's a little pointless to comment on how effective they areThey've taken an F-35, an F-15, and at least one and possibly two A-10s so far. What other country on earth could possibly have done as well without a meaningful air force?
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>>65053690>How many of those are designed to be unidentifiable from the air (ie disguised as box trucks and not emitting anything to distinguish themselves from commercial cargo) and aren't shitty MANPADs?That's not the hard part, my guy. The concept of "but what if our SAMs didn't look like SAMs" was tinkered with all throughout the cold war. Moreover, what relevance does this have to the topic at hand given that the shootdown came at the hands of a MANPADS?>Yes, it's a simple concept, but my point is the difference between Iran building these and China building HQ-9s that would immediately be suppressed and/or destroyed in a war with the US.An HQ-9 TEL is the size of a small building and if you have any sort of source for this supposed Iranian covert SAM I'd love to hear it.>They've taken an F-35,May we see it?>an F-15,An F-15E. Relevant distinction.>and at least one and possibly two A-10s so far.Which were already known for being MANPADS bait and having a survival strategy of "SNEED everything with extreme prejudice before sending them in and hope that you're durable enough to tank whatever hits you take".I don't know how many tens of thousands of sorties we're at by now but the effectiveness of Iranian AD hasn't exactly been inspiring if what you listed is all they have to brag about.
>>65053764>the effectiveness of Iranian AD hasn't exactly been inspiring if what you listed is all they have to brag about.It's been more effective than China, Russia, or North Korea could have managed.
They say a Russian-made Verba man-portable missile shot down the F-15E. Is this confirmed?
>>65053402IR SHORAD, basically if you took an aircraft IRST and put it on a dinky little truck and hooked up some thing slightly too big to be a regular manpad on it, you have what the Iranians are using. Has a ceiling of like 26k feet. So people are being cocky dipshits flying way way too low where these little trucks can be parked to set up ambush points for them, and because they are so fucking tiny they are very easy to hide and move. Every little barn you pass overhead could have one parked waiting to pop out. Fucking infuriating to me that they actually almost got an F-35 like that, not mad at the Iranians but mad at command for probably going "yeah manpad range is 20k feet you're fine above that" when no, these little truck IR sams are a bit above that but not too much.As for A-10s they engage from about a mile or two up with the gun, so really I am 0.00% surprised one got hit already and no they don't belong there or anywhere really because their job was superceded by pgms decades back.
>>65053431>still a lucky shot, usa was reckless using planes without top ecm systmes to avoid having to go low with a radar lockI think the point is that they literally only could use that. They obviously could not risk anything from the top tier for sale stock, even if the chance is almost 0, it's still a shot for serbia 2.0 to ruin everything and make China/Russia endlessly make fun of your wunderwaffle getting shot down.
>>65053851So basically they anticipated the slimmest possible chink in US armor (complacency) and based procurement and doctrine around it. These are not Arabs lmfao, maybe its time to start taking them deadly serious as Persians are clearly built different in terms of warfighting
>>65053960Are you implying that F-35s and B-21s are not operating over Iran? Because they are.
>>65053850Is there any evidence that Iran has them?
>>65053968>B-21Thanks to this post I discovered that there actually a couple flying, currently, which surprised me (I can't believe it's been four years since the reveal, feels like yesterday), but do you really think there are Raiders in actual service yet? I'd assume it's just B-2s.
>>65053968I think they got fairly scared since F-35 hit in March. They obviously avoid any and all risk by now
>>65053402If you fire enough missiles, eventually 1 will hit.Besides where's the wreckage? Where did the main body come down? we've only seen the vertical stabilizer.
>>65053492>The only ECM that could work is a dazzler which requires finding the tracker and as far as I know the US doesn't have an dazzler pod in service.That have pretty small modules that get bolted onto helos.If Russia can put them on its vaporware fighter, the US should be able to find a way to get them onto an F-15. It's not like it's going to ruin its stealth like putting your phone in a suit pocket and ruining its line.
>>65053513>>65053606Iran average IQ is around 80.the "Iran high IQ" claim started only in recent years they are probably paying straw websites to promote this lie.
>>65054230The US government says 97 national average 108 in the southern regions.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6425765/
>>65054230>the "Iran high IQ" claim started only in recent years>they are probably paying straw websites to promote this lie.It's probably a combination of two things.One, they've had a few impressive technical accomplishments:>reverse engineering F4/F14 parts to keep them flying>a2a missiles for them>hacking US drones to capture themTwo, smart Persians escape Iran to study in western universities, we meet these Persians in our classes and they're legitimately smart, moral, ambitious people. We make the mistake of judging Iran based on these people.
>>65054237>US research conducted by Iraniansgive me a break>>65054240I didn't say there aren't smart Iranians, but this stigma of a smart Iranian nation is false.
> Fucking Doge>the Fucking>Fucking Fucking the FuckingFucking the Fucking with the Fucking Fucking
>>65054245>this stigma of a smart Iranian nation is falseThat's not what stigma means.I was explaining why we might believe this.
>>65054245>guy misusing a word like stigma thinks he knows enough about anything to be skeptical about published NIH researchSo very grim.
>>65053511>>65053513>>65053606
>no the country with leaders that have multiple PhDs can't have a higher average IQ than the country with the reality TV president because they're brown OK!!
>>65054353>leaders that have multiple PhDsIslamic Philosophy isn't the most useful discipline for waging war or governing a nation.
>>65053507>a bunch of brown people from the asshole of the worldYou see, people there have actually read and written books there for 3000 years, instead of resorting to assumption and prejudice as their primary source of knowledge. You'd be surprised how pale people from that region can be, too, though it has little influence on the matter.
>>65053982Even if it's "just" the B2, this is a level of technology that is greatly above what either Iran or China possess, so the point still stands
>>65053606>Consanguineous marriage is a major feature of family systems in south-west Asia. The aim of the present study was to determine the current prevalence and patterns of consanguinity in Iran as a means of assessing the associated requirement for genetic counselling services. Consanguinity was studied in 12 ethnic/religious populations, the Persians (Shi'a and Sunni), Kurds (Shi'a and Sunni), Lurs, Azaris, Baluchis, Zabolis, Turkamans, Bakhtiaris, Ghashghais and Arabs. A multi-stage sampling design was used with a representative total sample of 306 343 couples. The overall rate of consanguineous marriage was 38.6% with a mean inbreeding coefficient (alpha) of 0.0185. First cousin marriages (27.9%) were the most common form of consanguineous union, with parallel patrilateral marriage especially favoured. Statistically significant differences were observed in the prevalence and patterns of consanguinity between ethnic/religious populations and geographical regions. There also were significant differences for proportions of consanguineous marriages between Shi'a and Sunni populations within the same ethnic group. The highest rates of consanguineous union were in the least affluent sections of the population.
>>65053513Nobody pointed out that the US literacy rate is actually 99%? Fucking third world shill>t. someone whose job actually used to involve assessing population literacy in a region of the USA (extremely poor nonwhite region, still ~98-99%)In fact it's actually really interesting to me that Iran only claims 94%, which is quite a low figure for their ostensible level of development. Their standard for being "literate" is also most likely similar to other third world countries, being effectively anyone who can read single words or a short sentence, not a whole paragraph of text which is the standard we used
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