I have to give the Iranians credit... it's amazing how such a tiny, cheap little drone could change the face of modern warfare, and by extension, end the hegemony of the greatest military power to ever exist on the face of this earth.So what does /k/ think about this 21st century Wunderwaffe?
>>65057236/pol/ seems a bit upset about iran bending the knee
>>65057236shove it up your ass if you love it so muchblame the americans, say marines made you sit on one and left
>>65057236whoa
>>65057257looks like I hit the nail on the head!
>>65057236I think its more on the stupidity of everyone else than any particular efficacy of the weapon itself."lets use a Patriot against a redneck tomahawk" instead of more APKWS or even a fucking Bushmaster
>>65057246>bending the kneebut you're negotiating their maximalist 10-point plan which includes them keeping their uranium, reparations and a toll for passing the strait
>>65057246>>65057255Calm down guys, let’s keep the discussion about weapons...I’m just saying, it’s a master stroke of military technology, one the Western powers haven’t seemed to develop a full answer to (maybe you could make half a case for the Ukrainians).
Looks like iran can't take the bombing anymore so internet warriorism it is.
>>65057271>frogposter>retardedis there a more iconic combination?
>>65057236History shows that there are no invincible armies
>>65057269...do you think the US will actually accept any of that? This means 2 weeks to normalize oil prices, formalize trade deals and remove the backlog of traffic in the hormuz.
>>65057257>losing to a third workd shitholeHow many bombs did Iran drop on US soil?
>>65057271Its really not, though. Its basically a cheaper cruise missile. If you want to see a "master stroke in military technology" that would be the new manmade horrors in Ukraine and those drones.The fact that that the US just assumed nobody would use FPV drones on them, after watching Russia and Ukraine piss themselves over each others shit, is beyond me.Iran has succeeded in pulling a Ukraine and making the US flinch, which is pretty embarrassing coming off the Maduro raid. During the 250th, also.
>>65057236They're kinda neat.
>>65057296>US soilIsrael to it's credit is doing a wonderful job of tanking all the blows.
>>65057290Plenty of armies that no one defeated.
>>65057319Such as?
Iran got cucked. The Strait is OPEN.
inbred status?
>>65057236Like most things, blame the Germs.
>>65057344Then why did the Iranians change the paradigm of war with their version, unlike the other countries?
>>65057305Acknowledging we own them and not the other way around is the first step towards escaping the mental prison where you believe the jews are not just omnimalevolent, but omnipresent and omnipotent with mind control powers.
>>65057324Alexander is probably the most famous one.
>>65057359Air defenses moved towards very precise missiles rather than anti-air guns. Drone Spam Meta didn't take over until the 2020s partially to exploit the change in air defenses. WW2 flak guns would do better against shaheds than Patriot air defense missiles. These mostly exploit gaps in air defense networks, which is slowly being patched up.
So realistically what did Trump actually agreed to?
>>65057398To stop bombing Iran for two weeks in return for the opening of iran's hormussy
>>65057305Yes.
>>65057409Iranians don't care about being bombed
>>65057246Iran won thanks to the mighty shahed
I really hate bringing this shit into into /k/, but I despise that I share this site with so many Muslims and turdies now.The drone is only good against your neighbors, as Iran demonstrated. It can’t be used super long range and the payloads are limited. In short, it’s about as effective as a roadside IED. They can certainly be annoying, but there are work arounds.Let’s be real, no one split the atom here.
>>65057271Ukraine isnt really a western power though >>65057370Israel does what it wants including selling American military technology to China and Russia, we pull learn a thing or two from their mercenary nature.
>>65057469>about as effective as a roadside IED.Isn't that why the US tucked tail and fled Iraq?
>>65057246Make sure you tip the Iranians when you enter the strait faggot.
>"re"opening the strait, which was open before the warHow exactly is that a win for the US?
>>65057483>Isn't that why the US tucked tail and fled Iraq?the same Iraq that we have bases in to this day? that iraq?
>>65057441Is that why they backed down in response to the threat of further bombing?
>>65057291It says he did. Are you retarded? You don't get to just toss it all away you accept a framework and work small details. You are that dumb
>>65057236crazy
>>65057496Id back down to if I got such wild demands met lmao.
>>65057469I think it is more effective than a roadside IED since it can fly from Iran to Israel
>before: "we'll never negotiate with the great satan!">now: "please negotiate with us great satan!"
>>65057508>wild demands>a two week reprieve from further bombingFunnily enough, I do suspect you'd back down under threat of further bombingI
>>65057469>I share this site with so many Muslims and turdies now.
>>65057524>Can't read>Can't comprehend why everybody is angry about it>Literally everybodyYou are a special retard. Should use your /k/ weapon on yourself.
>>65057531you seem upset. also, brown.
>>65057469>weapon only works within its rangeThat's crazy bro, what if they started moving these things around on say boats or trucks? >there are work aroundsYeah like bringing more ammo than they have drones to each individual position you hold, because otherwise you just get saturated and then explode. You can't saturate anything with tomahawks, if you tell an arleigh burke to empty itself on a single target, you just wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on a single site that might just intercept everything anyway. Alternatively you can send hundreds upon hundreds, even thousands of drones anywhere you want, for less than it costs to use the arleigh burke. You can repeat this ad infinitum at a beneficial cost-to-kill ratio, as Russia does, without running out of supply as the United States does
>>65057534At what? you being retarded? Sure lil bro enjoy. Lmao.
>>65057539>that postlmao thirdies have no self awareness
>>65057543Maybe one day you'll learn to read and understand why everybody is shocked it was accepted. Everybody. Youre just special. You know the secret nobody else sees. Lmao. Faggot. Can't even get the last hit in ahahaha.
>>65057495Did you miss the green zone pullout fatass?
>>65057549These people are delusional. They literally have no idea what's been going on.
>>65057236This design sucks my ass. Every single drone should have wingspan that can accomodate other, smaller drones or weapons
>>65057269>>65057500Looks like Iran didn't believe Trump would TACO. They're in a weak position then.
>>65057549did you miss how we still have bases and the government we put together?
>>65057536Different weapons for different operations.Guided middle destroyers are excellent in operations that require large payload guided missiles.Drone have their uses, but your illustration of thousand of drones doesn’t really apply to the current situation. There hasn’t been any report of drones swarms. And just like missiles, these drones take time and resources to build. They are an effective weapon, but you can’t just conjure 2000 of them out of thin air.
>>65057556They threw some ridiculous items into it. I'm surprised he accepted the base as well. iRGC were probably staring at each other asking what the fuck did he just do
>>65057547>more twitter screencapswhy are you turdies so obsessed with them? none of us actual people care
>>65057557You might want to double check that bud. Name a base. Name the government that you have control of.
>>65057565He just wants a ceasefire, no way he accepts any of what is proposed unless strait stays open and their nukes go. Either Israel starts launching missiles or Iran attacks ships in the Strait which would be a bad look.
>>65057571Lmao. Cope harder retard. Just remember you are so dumb you for some reason dont see how awful it is for america unlike EVERYBODY else. Yo usr that dumb bro.
>>65057571someone's upset
>>65057573https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_installations_in_Iraq
>>65057574Not how a framework works bud but okay you can keep staying in denial. You negotiating chicken tenders in your mothers basement isnt a real negotiation.
>>65057579Lmao
>>65057589>pro-iran militias claimstopped reading there. getting back on topic why are your kind so obsessed with screencaps?
>>65057562Do you think Israel is just retarded and can't intercept Iranian ballistic missiles? That's what the Shaheds have been enabling this whole time. Also apparently drones take far less time and resources to build, with the US struggling to maintain a few thousand tomahawks, while Russia was capable of a monthly production of 2,700 Shaheds along with an additional 2000 decoys, all last year. You don't need thin air, but you can literally achieve those exact numbers you want within a very reasonable timeframe and at half the cost of procuring tomahawks in that volume.
>>65057583That's exactly how a framework works though, you accept that the items in it will be negotiated, and then you go through them all one by one and throw out every one of iran's asinine demands and enjoy free transit of the strait of hormuz in the meantime, I look forward to your chimpout in two weeks time
>iranians cave in the eve of the deadline>this is a great victory for goat enthusiastsI don't get it
Shitbrown muzzrats seem to be upset, which is weird because if you blow them up they go straight to heaven, or so they claim.
>>65057597Lmaox2
>>65057606Ah but you see, the Americans will surely just cave to every single one of iran's demands because... Well... Ummm... They just will, okay!
>>65057603Negotiated does not mean you fucking ad what you want retard. It means to modify the framework. You have a gross misunderstanding of accepting the 10 points and what the changes will be
>>65057236its cold war tech from krautland
>>65057610This is what shitbrowns actually believe.
>>65057610do links not work on your phone or something? or is it just some kind of brown cultural thing?
>>65057617And which of those ten points have been accepted, sweetie?
>>65057556>TACOwhy do redditors keep trying to force this term?it died the moment venezuela didn't turn into vietnam
>>65057606Muslim countries are shitholes partly because nobody is willing to accept a defeat or a mistake and improve upon it.
>>65057616Then you get blocked from strait again and go back to being the gay. Lmao. You are severely misunderstanding the situation and it's funny. You will cry harder on April 21st.
>>65057623It's because they liked Obama and deep down they want more middle eastern escalated wars
>>65057622The framework you dumbass so all of them ahahaha. The base is accepted you retard ahahahahaha. Jesus it's like you are a fucking toddler. So fucking dumb ahahahaha
>>65057257inbreeding status? your parents are cousins right? lmao
>>65057626and iran will surely not just pussy out again under threat of further bombings next time, right?
>>65057633>doesn't understand how negotiations work>calls others toddlers
>>65057246It’s really amazing how the turd worldist position has transformed from “it doesn’t matter if you bomb iran, the straight is closed” into “we agreed to open the straight if you stopped bombing us, so we won” in less time than it took for me to cook and eat dinner. >emphasis on the TRANS in transform
>>65057626What will they do without electricity or the means of travel between the provinces of Iran due to the removal of all power plants and bridges? They would immediately have to abandon the idea of ruling over their people, because the people above ground would be unhappy and unmanageable without electricity. IRGC would be a force that lives in a bunker, running on generators, unable to project power. If this fails, simply destroy the oilfields and pipelines, and remove Iran from the economy altogether, although at the cost of a price hike in the world's oil.
>>65057633So... None of them? Seems to me that the only things that have formally been agreed to are the opening of the strait, two weeks of no bombing, and then the commencement of negotiations
>>65057640>*iran cucks out*>"this means america lost!"if mental gymnastics was in the olympics maybe your shithole could finally win a gold
>>65057370>escaping That's easy, if Jews actually ruled the world everyone would adore them and it would be social suicide to insult them. If Jews ruled the world the Third Reich would have gotten dog piled in 1935, would have never been allowed to rearm, and not a single action of appeasement would have ever occurred. Yet Jews can rule the world, while at the same time be rounded up by the millions and shoved into camps. >muh holohoax Weird how the Third Reich never rounded up Jews and put them into camps, unlike the 5.7 million Soviet prisoners of war, of which 3.5 million died, a fatality rate of 55%. Meanwhile the Jews, who were never put into camps btw, numbered around 9 million, and yet only 271,000 died even though they were never put into camps to begin with.
>>65057257>we won look at this single american fatality
>>65057683do we get to learn that mojtaba died yet or are we waiting til after the war to get that powerstruggle a-movin'?
>>65057602For all the shit talking in Israel, they had been constantly bombed for the last two years by many sources and are still standing. Their president is still standing.Their enemies have not faired as well. I’m not saying I’m pro-Israel, I’m just looking at legitimate facts. Tel Aviv is standing fine, despite the drones and missiles. While the West Bank is rubble and Iran was an hour away from joining them.These are just facts.The drone is a cool weapon, but it hasn’t won any conflict on its own. It’s not the end all be all. If it was, maybe Iran would have used it to blow up that pilot. But successful military operations require support from all sorts of weapons and technology.
Already done 30 years ago but.It blew all of your uncles up in Iraq 20 years ago.But now its a "game changer" apparentlyOK bro
>>65057690give them a few days to reveal how he's doing
>>65057477>Israel The fucking US has sold weapons to it's own enemies, Iran fucking contra, and the fucking British selling engines we helped developed to the fucking Soviets.
>>65057693funnily enough they sent a Reaper to babysit the mountain the pilot was on. Yeah though drones don't win wars on their own, you still gotta go park your guys on land
>>65057519>two weeks from now>we totally meant to surrender to the great satan!
>>65057624 >nobody is willing to accept a defeat or a mistake and improve upon it.You mean exactly what the current US administration is doing?
>>65057583>>65057617>>65057633Kek, BTFO. Looks like Iran really did believe that Trump was going to nuke them. The Petrodollar will continue :)
>>65057664Schizophrenic shouldn't get internet access
>>65057722>looks at /pol/But unfortunately they do.
>>65057710Democratic process and separation of powers take care of retards eventually.
>>65057710>Accomplish what you wanted >End war This confuses you?
>>65057300Holy supreme cope lol
>>65057300This is bait.
>>65057549What pullout? We are still there and the iraqi government are arresting shia militia members lmao
>>65057693the west bank isn't rubbleit has been under continuous israeli control since the 60syou're thinking about gaza >>65057602not even a single drone launched from iran reached the israeli border
>>65057776Legit surprised the Iraqis didn't use this as an opportunity to clean house.
>>65057236It basically like the machine gun in its effect, democratizing precision strike capability that was previously only the purview of NATO to everyone.It's a retvrn to 20th century mass warfare, where instead of "how many divisions can you field?' the question becomes "how many drones can you field?"
>>65057794>It's like the mahinegun! It's had basically no effect on the current war.
>>65057795
>>65057799>I disagree but I can't verbalize it! Pathetic.
>>65057246You lost tranny.
>>65057792Considering how quick they released that US journalist i think they might be feeling the pressure.
>>65057633the framework includes a permanent cessation of hostilities i don't know what you think the word permanent means but it's certainly not two weeks
>>65057620he doesn't won't you to read more than just the title
>w-we didn't achieve any of our pre-war strategic goals but the strait is open!>muh KD!Amerilard cope gets more pathetic with every lost war.
>>65057291you people are fucking retarded holy FUCK
>>65057823>We didn't achieve any prewar goals >Except for killing most of their senior leadership >And their nuke program >And their navy >And their air force >And most of their missile supplies and infrastructure Yeah, cope however you must.
>>65057828The famous Iranian navy and air force lmfao.
>>65057833Yes. It's gone now.
>>65057828Okay, but we're all paying a toll for the oil that you weren't paying before. You know the one thing the US Navy post-WW2 is supposed to prevent on anything that's not a canal/
>>65057838>You're paying a toll Are we?
>>65057792If they tried they'd probably collapse into an armed conflict along sectarian lines. Again.
>>65057782I meant Gaza. Brain fart.
>>65057246Lmao, pay the toll
banana america
>>65057841That's the narrative, yes.
“Imagine getting outsmarted by /pol/ of all boards. God. /k/ is a special kind of stupid, the kind that thinks it’s smart while saying the most ridiculously retarded things possibleYou and Trump suffered from hubris, I hope you learn from this
>>65057964learn from what? if you bomb your enemies enough they'll come crawling to the table?
Iran already shit the bed by immediately attacking Israel.They're basically Houthis now lol.I imagine it will just be endless "policing" actions from the air for the next decade by GCC or Israeli.
>Getting the uranium:failed>Destroying the missile program:failed>Regime change:failed>Reminding the world that the US sucks at warfare versus weird hat people: achieved
>>65057979>US steps away from Ukraine and lets Euros handle that themselves>US steps away from Iran and lets Israel and puppets handle that themselvesShit I might actually be fine with how this all turns out.
>>65058005Well if you think about it.Iranian military power is crippled then there is a potential wind down for most of the ME and a serious cutback of our need to support Israel with aid.Especially if we can get the Israelis and GCC to help each other out.
>>65057344>>65057370>Speculation that the findings about the DAR influenced the design of the IAI Harpy, or that the DAR later served as a model for the Iranian Shahed-136/131 drone or its Russian version, Geran 2 , cannot be substantiated.Repeating the same lie over and over won't make it any more true my dear nafo Troon>>65057519Except the Iranians were negotiating before you started the war and now they're getting more than they bargained for. The Persian gulf belongs to iran :)
>>65057246Iran lost? Someone give me QRD, I was at work.
>>65058052>now they're getting more than they bargained for. The Persian gulf belongs to iran :)it's funny how you retards actually think that almost anything on that list is gonna still be there after negotiations, I guess copium isnt haram. >>65058063they came crawling to the negotiating table on the eve of trump's ultimatum. turdies seem to think this is some sort of win for the global south
>>65058067>Start a war>get a dozen of your ceasefire proposals rejected over the course of said war>iran makes one (1) ceasefire proposal and America immediately bends over You're desperate. Don't forget to tip the Iranians on your way out of the gulf
>>65057828>>And their nuke programFor the third time? Trump is still crying about enriched Iranian uranium btw
>>65058077>y-y-you're desperate!lol that must be some high quality copium they're handing out on /pol/. the us has been trying to get iran to the negotiating table for weeks and now they've folded, of course we're gonna take them up on their offer even though I doubt anything will come of it this time.since critical thinking isn't your strong suit I'll break this whole negotiatiation thing down for you:1st. no side ever expects a proposal to be taken at face value, and most proposals aren't even reasonable in the first place. they're for posturing and acting as a possible starting point.2. blumpf repeatedly offers proposals to look willing to negotiate, putting the onus on iran to reject diplomacy and peace. same thing has been happening between ukraine and russia if you want an example.3. iran coming to the table before trump's ultimatum deadline is a noticable shift from their previous position, it doesn't matter what they could demand because it's largely posturing. 4. now when negotiations break down in a week or two trump can shrug his shoulders and say he gave them a chance before going back to bombing them.5. this cycle will probably continue for a couple of rounds until something is finally hashed out and both sides declare victory
>>65057837it was never relevanton the other hand they bombed your bases and they control the strait
>>65058034Frankly its a golden opportunity to glass Israel then Iran and moonwalk out the door never to return unless it is to glass everybody and build well pads on the rubble. But the government is full of jew-lovers so its unlikley.
>>65057271I'm kind of unconvinced of the shahed's wunderwaffe status.A tomahawk TLAM costs 2.5 million. Let's say a shaheed truck carrying 5 drones costs 200k. So that's 60+ drones. Now yes, you can fire that at a defended location and probably overwhelm or deplete an air defense system. (Unless you're fighting a non-retard state with SPAAGs or gun based shorad)But you're not gonna destroy an offensive target with a lot less drones then that.Meanwhile how many tomahawks would you assign to the same target?And in this math game: Would firing a single magically invisible super missile that cost 10 million but is so invisible noone even launches interceptors at it but has a 1m CEP and 100% reliability be worse because it didn't cost the enemy interceptors?Doesn't make sense.
>>65058077It's no use, /k/ is mentally dependent on american military invincibility, they would proclaim victory even if a north korean firing squad shot the president on a washington DC livestream.
