Why didn't the Western Europe make use of Jan Zizka's Wagenburg (War Wagons) compared to Eastern Europe and the Middle East?A mobile defensive carrier seemed to be an effective counter against knights which France makes frequent use and England can use them to make their longbowmen more effective.
>>65058554>WagenburgIt’s vozová hradba, krautboy
why didn't anyone just fling torches and faggots of wood onto the wall until the whole shit burned down?
>>65058554Infantry and artillery became more important.
>>65058554because the knights just ignored the makeshift plywood castle and rode directly into the town to plunder n torch?or throw a rope over one wheel and pull the wagenburg apart?wagenburg is a niche tactic for a niche application, mostly to make use of the armys transport carriages in a defensive manner. they simply saved time on erecting nighttime fortifications by placing the cars around the camp.success was had during initial skirmishes of the hussite wars or by surprising an unexpecting enemy. but that doesnt work for long. any offensive use is pure myth. as soon as the pulling horses are dead the car is immobilized. even with the horses its always slower than infantry, not to speak of cavalry.jan huss ended on the stakes (made from chopped up wagenburg carriages, lol), the empire won.
>>65058559your language sounds like someone talking with a mouth full of food.
>>65058757That's funny because Burian described English pronunciation of "r" as trying to talk with a hot potato in your mouth.https://files.catbox.moe/pmv9t5.mp4
>>65058796Well, maybe it's because everyone who hears an unfamiliar and distant language perceives it as gibberish.
>>65058554Sometimes things just don't happen. It takes a lot of effort to push aside military tradition, and the Hussites didn't last long enough to have a lasting impact.
>>65058812>No lasting impact.The Hungarians, Ottomans and even the Mughals made good use of the War Wagons tactics.https://www.medievalists.net/2019/01/wagenberg-war-wagons/
>>65058554Geography.
>>65058812>>65058819>>65058554They did. Though almost exclusively for mobile camp fortifications. - they seemingly never managed to replicate or didn't care to replicate the offensive use of them.
>>65058746Jan huss was executed before the hussite wars
>>65058554These wagons and their short-term situational success have been insanely mythologised
>>65058554because Europe quickly developed powerful firearms that made them obsolete, while the rest of the world did not.
>>65058554they simply started bringing cannon to field battlesgl,hf trying to hold a Wagenburg against cannon
It's not all that easy to fight in a wagon fort, some germans tried and didn't quite get it right. I suspect mostly it was just that it didn't fit the socio-cultural preconceptions of warfare, which was the domain of the knightly class first and foremost, they didn't want to switch to an infantry based warfare system.Later the development of cannons and also handguns made the wagon fort obsolete. Except for fighting forces with few of those, like in the steppe, the american west or south africa.https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitva_u_Sch%C3%B6nbergu
>>65059306The funny thing is, even in this last battle with wagon forts, 80 years after the hussite wars, knights tried to fight it head on and predictably got their ass kicked. Like, they just didn't learn.
>>65058598Because you can't burn water soaked wood.
>>65058554Because field artillery developed so quickly that wagon forts became redundant within the same century.And during the later episodes of the Hundred Years War both the english and the french fought form prepared positions.>>65058746>because the knights just ignored the makeshift plywood castle and rode directly into the town to plunder n torch?That would be right in theory but the crusaders were on the explicit mission to directly engage the Hussites. Of course they were often retarded about it but that's another story.>or throw a rope over one wheel and pull the wagenburg apart?The wagons were typically chained or bound together and it's not that hard to cut a rope that was haphazardly thrown onto a wagon.>>65059306Kek, we had the same example in mind. >It's not all that easy to fight in a wagon fort, some germans tried and didn't quite get it right.Which battle do you mean? In the Battle of Wenzenbach bohemian soldiers errected their wagon fort and lost to the imperial army.
Damn I forgot the picture.
>>65059407It was just a snippet I recall from earlier, probably sometime during the mid 1400s. Can't find a source easily.
>>65058746>jan huss ended on the stakes (made from chopped up wagenburg carriages, lol), the empire wonWhat the fuck are you babbling about, retard, his burning at the stake was the event that KICKED OFF the Hussite wars, the wagenburg was probably just a bunch of half formed ideas at most floating in Zizka's subconscious mind at the moment of Hus' death.
The system relied to heavily on knights charging in like retards every time. Whenever they didn't they usually overcame the wagons. But then they would revert to charging like retards again.
>>65058554Apparently a Ming general used a somewhat similar tactic to successfully fight the mongols in their own steppes.
