Worst military defeats in history?
>>65058664>AI slop
>>65058664Not a military defeat, just a senile retard thinking the military can do anything when sometimes diplomacy is the correct tool.That said if the world recognizes what use to be international waters as Iranian it is fucking funny.
>>65058723By the standards of wikipedia battle boxes it'll be under 'mixed/inconclusive (see below)'
>>65058726Honestly I think it'll be "ongoing" within 2 months, Israel has no reason to stop and the US can't sit back and watch Israel get what they deserve.
>>65058723War is politics by other means - Clausewitz>>65058726No? The US didn't achieve its objectives, it will be a decisive Iranian victory
>>65058664Epic AI saaaaaaaar Hollywood beds to bring back Mr. Snyder saaaaaar
>>65058733>War is politics by other meansYes and the US failed their political objectives making it a defeat but not a military defeat.The US wasn't militarily defeated in Afghanistan but they were defeated.
>>65058738No, the outcome is decided by achieving your objective which you've decided to achieve through military means, it's still a military loss even if you killed more of the enemy than they killed you, quickest American defeat in history
>>65058741>>65058738>>65058733You don't actually know what objectives the US achieved or not because Irans 10-point proposal and the US' 15-point counter proposal are still being negotiated
>>65058743There's 20 days left until the 60 days under the War Powers Resolution expires, the war is over, Trump wanted out and he found it, he will give in to whatever terms Iran offers
>>65058741>Consider, for example, the fate of the French Maginot Line in World War Two. Built to defend the border with Germany, the Maginot Line was a formidable series of fortifications extending from the Swiss to the Belgian border. However, the Germans wisely avoided this strength, and bypassed the Maginot Line by penetrating through the Ardennes Forrest, encircling the British and French mobile forces in Belgium. The French were forced to capitulate without the Germans having to directly assault the Maginot Line. By the current definition, therefore, the Maginot Line and its garrison remained undefeated, as they remained capable of their mission—defending the German border—until the armistice. By any reasonable standard, however, the Maginot Line was defeated, as it was unable to prevent the Germans from achieving their mission of defeating the French Army.>Defining defeat in terms of the enemy’s mission, therefore, is flawed.Have a read, it is semantics but they matter when goals are communicated through language.https://researchcentre.army.gov.au/library/australian-army-journal-aaj/volume-18-number-1/understanding-defeat>>65058743The US started the war with the goal of "Regine change" as stated by the POTUS, that initial goal was a complete failure.
>>65058747>The US started the war with the goal of "Regine change" as stated by the POTUSThe problem is that Trump gave multiple justifications for the attack so you can't just go off of what he says. He also said that the goal was to put a stop to Irans nuclear program for example, which is one of the ceasefire proposals that is under negotiation right now. To be clear, I don't think it's going anywhere, but retards like you are only generalizing it as a complete failure because you want it to be a complete failure. It's not that simple
>>65058753Iran had agreed not to build bombs in 2015, they passed inspections until Trump threw out the deal in 2018.If the goal was "stop them building a bomb they had a greed not to build until I threw out the deal" then defeat or victory gets dwarfed by how stupid it is.
>>65058745You are so smart. Donald Trump would never break the law, because he would definitely experience consequences for doing so. Especially a law as ironclad as the 1973 war powers act.
>>65058745>There's 20 days left until the 60 days under the War Powers Resolution expiresIt's hilarious that you think this matters. Precedent has already been set in Libya. Just don't call it a war and claim strikes are necessary to contain a potential larger conflict.
>you don't understand we won-ACK
It's a shame how much the internet and cultural warfare has poisoned this wellIran was evil. I don't care how much you hate Americans or Jews. Ali Khamenei was a ruthless dictator who was universally hated by his own people and was constantly under threat of assassination. He was responsible for insane widespread schizo propaganda movements and radicalizing Shia, was directly responsible for massacring hundreds of thousands of protestors, and was directly responsible open attacks on Irans neighbors and blaming them on false-flags. It's a shame we can't see the forest through the trees. Democrats are hypocrites who weaponized the war against Trump despite being ostensibly anti-isolationist and Republicans and third worlders are treating it like some game. It doesn't matter if America wins or loses at this point. All that matters is that this monster and most of his regime were removed from power. It's a shame that we're too far up our own asses to frame this war like it really is, a battle of good and evil.
>>65058755>redditors are still desperately running with this line
>you didn't kill all of us so we win!!
>>65058828https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal
>>65058828>Please stop pointing out how retarded we are for actually believing this retard was a geniuslmao
>>65058805They did, and unfortunately, a ground invasion is literally the better option if we want to maintain power throughout the world. This is just a defeat because we accomplished none of our goals and Iran has basically won a license to extract a fee from world trade all denominated in Yuan. It doesn't matter how many were killed, or who was killed, the regime stands and they have consolidated their power not only over their people, but over external structures that were free for everyone to navigate but now produce revenue for the regime, ensuring they will have a steady source of funds.
>>65058844Peace proposals are still under negotiation, Iran isn't extracting shit from the strait
so you're saying: never agree to ceasefires?
>>65058836>>65058839>just let Iran have nukes bro
>>65058854>They'll have nukes in 2 more weeks, trust me bro.
>>65058856so when will they have nukes?
>>65058858Pick any point in time in the last 40+ years when the US has been chimping out about it.
>>65058854Why not? North Korea has nukes and doesn't do shit, Israel has nukes and commits genocide what is Iran going to do that will be worse than genocide?
>>65058755>They were only enriching uraninim for peaceful purposes so much they needed to have their labs under a fucking mountain,Ok
>>65058860what?
>>65058870Iran has openly attacked its neighbors and blamed it on false flags. Nobody cares about North Korea having nukes because they're a hermit country. Iran is actively responsible for destabilizing the Middle East
>>65058870iran giving tactical nukes to shia terrorist groups would be really funny yeah?
>>65058844i dont know why people keep saying that the entire world is going to suck Iran's dick. The opposite would happen first; we keep killing them until they stop acting like chimps.
>>65058876And Israel in currently invading 3 countries why aren't we worried about them having the bomb?>>65058877The CIA gives weapons to terrorists, you think they are going to give nukes to terrorists too?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_Sycamore
>>65058870>muh gaza genocidewhat's worse than an IRGC keyboard warrior? One that is not from Iran who does it for free
>>65058882Like Israel or not, but they're unironially smarter than Iranians are
>>65058870>the violent regime that is already funding terrorism and threatening any ship in the strait would totally not use nukes as leverage against the entire Middle East
>>65058882all of your posts so far are "what about (us|allies)?" find a real angle.
>>65058881Simple as, >muh diplomacy We tried that shit for decades, the best we get was thanks for the free shit now fuck off and die. You can’t bargain with a death cult that has their existence on the mission statement that you need to die. If you think otherwise you are a retard
>>65058885I don't support Israel or Iran, I simply enjoy watching the USA collapse.t. Aussie sick of your bullshit>we will steal resources>we will annex allies>we will start shit and ask NATO to clean it upYou are geopolitical niggers.
>>65058875Iran has been weeks away from having nukes for over 40 years if you listen to the US.
>>65058899Thank you John Kangaroo of Sydney Oblast
>>65058899>hate the USA on an american websitegotta be the oldest form of ass blasted faggotry.
>>65058747Wtf did Regine ever do to tge POTUS, was she in the Epstein Files or something?
>>65058733>uh sorry this isnt a conversation, this is me making declarations.whats the point of this site when half the users never argue in good faith? they even make memes to defend their habit, saying shit like 'why would i willingly lose an argument?'
>>65058895And in trying to escalate to a military response the US half assed it and lacked the stomach to properly commit to what it would take. Either this ceasefire breaks down or the result of the escapade is Iran is in a better position than they were before the attack began.
I love how the shills cant articulate why Iran won, but have to cope with the US not obliterating Iran off the map. This is how I know this is just propaganda and not a conversation. They cant argue how Iran won, only how the US didn't win decisively.
>>65058929>whats the point of this site when half the users never argue in good faiththat has not been a thing for 2 decades. now shitpost and twitter post.
>>65058932>Iran is in a better position than they were before the attack beganhow so? their military is in shambles and a lot of their infrastructure was destroyed or damaged. do you really think the toll shit is going to sustain them, assuming its even feasible?
>>65058933>why Iran oneFor the regime it's a war of survival. In achieving that it's a victory and the k/d ratio doesn't matter. Also if the ceasefire and peace is based on the Iranian points the US has allowed Iran to strengthen its hold on a strategic chokepoint, and perhaps enrich itself as a result.
>>65058899You're an abo nigger.
>>65058899So, a Chink Chung Chong?
>>65058738No, you don't get to weasel out like that. This "we weren't militarily defeated because muh k/d" revisionism about Vietnam led to the same mistakes by jingoists in Iraq and Afghanistan. You were militarily defeated, lil bro.
>>65058937>>why Iran one
>>65058753>The problem is that Trump gave multiple justifications for the attack so you can't just go off of what he saysIsn't it a sad day when statements from the President of the United States are just foolishness to be discarded
>>65058944Yep I did a dumb
>>65058937and russia, are they losing every moment they havent taken kyiv?
>>65058874I'd put anything expensive under a damn mountain too if I were Iran
I love how the glavset hookers they send to spam the board don't even know how to flip this in their favor anymore.
>>65058825>Ali Khamenei was a ruthless dictator who was universally hated by his own peopleUnlike the ruthless dictator Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, installed by the US, who was overthrown by his people...
>>65058942whatever you say brownie.
>>65058882>Israel in currently invading 3 countriesOh do they? Like, the third one is Egypt I suppose.>>65058940No no no, those don't know how to use electronics and Internet. It's a xinsect.
>>65058953You see when Russia does it but worse its winning, when the US does it with minimal casualties its losing.
>>65058949Yes, they clearly had maximalist goals and the land they've taken since the Izyum thunderrun has not changed the strategic situation, and remains a finger in Putin's eye. It's been the case for a while that if Ukraine completely surrendered tomorrow Russian victory can only be called pyrrhic.
>>65058957Syria, imagine being on /k/ while having /pol/ levels of war knowledge.
>>65058942>lil broMakes me smile every time. The hubris in these subhumans is something else.
>>65058937>Also if the ceasefire and peace is based on the Iranian pointsthat's a pretty big if
>>65058965That's the second, not the third you pidor.
>>65058949Yes
Let’s write the wikipedia entryI’ll start:Iran losses>entire senior leadership>navy>airforce>50% missiles>industrial assetsIran gains>???
>>65058970Lebanon, Palestine and SyriaWhy is this hard for you, or are you just an IDF shill.
>>65058969It is, which is why I'm not sure this will last. But everything I've heard so far is the US accepted the Iranian position as a starting point rather than the opposite, which for a hegemonic aspiree is quite the climb down. Don't be surprised if the announcement was just to get media pressure off and the US tries to play hardball again.
>>65058976Coastal teritorial gains in the Persan Gulf and Gulf of Oman.
>>65058895Thank you for the Iranian perspective. 6 weeks of rocket bombardment will get more than 40 years of negotiations got with the JCPOA, since violence is the only language the Evangelical death cult in DC understands.
>>65058976Political legitimacy, a claim to control the straits as they see fit.
>>65058976The strait of Hormuz
>>65058984>>65058985A Final CopeA Last CopeA Cope to End All Copes
America won because it achieved its war goal of Opening the Strait. It's okay to set war goals after starting a war.
>>65058988We won't have to wait long, if tankers start paying the fee then Iran controls it. If they don't pay the fee it remains international waters as it was 6 weeks ago.
>>65058990Kek, reminds me of Putin saying pushing Ukraine out of Kursk was a great victory.>we will annex all of Ukraine>we will push Ukraine out of Russian territory
>>65058978But Palestine is not a country, retard.
>>65058991>if everyone kisses Iran's ass, they win
>>65058753>you can't actually pay any attention to the words of the president of the united states of americaHoly fucking shit it's depressing how far our country has fallen in a little over a year.
>>65058966Heh. The way they use "decisive military victory" as a substitute for "not being utterly eradicated yet" is always hilarious
>>65058983Cope, nigger.
>>65058998Didn't the 2025 UN vote make the news in Israel? They are an internationally recognized country.
>>65058976The US loses:>Political legitimacy>Military credibility>The trust of Gulf and European allies>The strength of the dollar, as more petromunies switch over to YuanThe US gains:>Nothing>Well, except a solid Iranian grip of the Hormuz on their balls>And China being seen as a predictable partner in comparison to erratic US policy
>>65059003How would I know? You obviously read Israeli news more than I do.
>>65058999Either they control the strait after the war or they don't control it just as they didn't before the war.If they do control it now that is a territorial gain.
>>65058991The only silver lining that can be possibly salvaged is if we can get the toll to be paid in USD and settled over SWIFT.
>>65059007>The strength of the dollar, as more petromunies switch over to Yuanproofs or just vibes?
>>65058825Not our job to remove dictators.
>>65059007this shill making some money
>>65059013Iran would start throwing BMs at Israel again before allowing SWIFT to handle the transactions.
>>65059007And demonstrated that it does not value Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and Australia over Israel
>>65059015NTA but heres some proofshttps://www.afr.com/world/asia/yuan-the-winner-of-hormuz-crisis-but-greenback-is-safe-here-s-why-20260327-p5zj7p
>>65059007The US has destroyed the Iranian navy, depleted almost all of Iran's ballistic missiles and thoroughly tested the remaining Iranian defenses, they are exactly where America wants them. Don't be a fool. Watch what happens in the next few years.
>>65059019It's a pie in the sky, but I'm hoping we can salvage something from this campaign from the brilliant military mind of Mark Levin's crackpipe.
>>65059007>>65059013>>65059020This hasu convincedu myself that the imperialistic Uniteds state of A is weak but i do wonder about petrodollar situation
>>65059020Oh yeah, I forgot about interceptors being cannibalized out of Korea. Patriots, I recall, and it wasn't exactly received well?
>>65059024have you read this article? all it says before the paywall is that the japanese company didnt disclose what currency they used.
>>65059026>depleted almost all of Iran's ballistic missilesThis is a retarded cope, they're depleted because they were used. And they will replenish the stockpile with time.
>>65058755>they just enriched to 60% for the kicks of it >they didn't really want a bomb
>>65059033>taking missiles from countries that were literally never going to use them so they can be used to protect oil infrastructure that said countries rely on.
>>65059033A THAAD, battery whose irreplaceable radar thanks to the Chinese refined REM embargo in retaliation to Trump's trade war is potentially smoking ruins which Seoul took a billion dollars in Chinese sanctions to get
>>65059035So somehow they will replinish but not the US.
>>65059036They enriched to 60% because the JCPOA had an escalator clause that allowed them to do this in case one party (Washington) unilaterally reneged.
>>65059034No paywall for me, have an archivehttps://archive.is/Y8oDhAnd thesehttps://fortune.com/2026/03/26/iran-toll-strait-of-hormuz-oil-paid-in-yuan/https://startupfortune.com/iran-and-china-push-yuan-trade-in-hormuz-as-dollar-faces-pressure/Or just cope and seeth because reality doesn't suit your ideals.
>Ah the ingeniuos plan to deplete Iranian missiles by forcing Iran to fire them, ensuring we'll be safe from them in future
>>65059040>irreplaceable radar thanks to the Chinese refined REM embargoplease stop trying to overhype how cool those radars were.
>>65059044Maybe they should have used it on Israel instead of lobbing cope clusters that did fuck all.
>>65059007>things that have not happened nor will happen
>>65059026>>65059037The Poles weren't exactly happy about the US scraping the barrel either, telling Washington to fuck off.And the procurement wish-list for FY2027 is fucking huge. Someone's fucking drained, alright.>857 THAADs>1,134 PrSMs>785 TLAMs>136 SM-3s>540 SM-6s>333 LRASMs>1,000 FAMMs>1,811 AMRAAMshttps://comptroller.war.gov/Budget-Materials/
>You killed all our leaders while we hid in mountains. This means we won!!!Eternal coping of the brownoid.
>>65059051That's true, it's probably not possible for the EU to lose any further trust in the US after that ridiculous Greenland business
>>65059050It got them more than 30+ years of diplomacy and demonstrated MAD without any nukes required. Worked pretty well for Tehran.
>>65059047Zapp should be getting more love, he perfectly encapsulates current US policy.
>>65059046all im seeing is that iran will ACCEPT yuan as payment and that they have been smuggling oil to china.unless i missed it, none of those articles show proof yuan is being used by anyone other than china and russia.
>>65059044they already enriched to HEU before that but you knew that already
>>65059057As long as Tel Aviv has not been turned into a radioactive crater than Iran lost.
