Why did neither Germany nor Israel realise they had a game-changing weapon on their hands?
>>65059398Why do thirdies worship this thing? It couldn't even keep the Strait closed.
>>65059400To be fair, it IS a notable uptick in their capabilities that's going to require the US to flip the table and revolutionize military technology again in order to open the gap back up.
>>65059398It's just a budget cruise missile. The MIC can't make retirement money selling $50k flying bombs when they can sell $1 million flying bombs instead.
Neither Germany nor Israel owned any of the satellites that make these things functional in the 90s. If the US turns GPS off then it's only got cheap inertial guidance. And it has to be cheap inertial guidance, cause the only case for these weapons is cheap.Nowadays Germany has access to Euro navigation satellites.
>>65059398Probably because during the cold war, everyone had SPAAGs out the ass, but for some reason since then, we've lost that technology.
>>65059398>Why did neither Germany nor Israel realise they had a game-changing weapon on their hands?Because it's not. It's bankrupt dicatorslop flying model planes at very very large static targets and it's basically useless againnst the enemy that is actiually killing you and blowing your shit up and can be raped by even cheaper but more advanced and smaller drones as soon as it approaches
>>65059437today is the 8th you subhuman thirdie
>>65059398because it was not accurate, and the west is obsessed with avoiding collateral damages
>>65059435Iran lost hardmode. No flag of revenge for dead religious leader/dictator, no sunk US ships, no nothing. Surrender, open the strait, hand over the uranium, shut the fuck up. No more navy, no more anything. Iran is offically the USs brown mullah bitch rn and that's not exactly suprising
>>65059398>germany i don't think they want to play that game>israelthey have other things and people to play that game
>>65059444>because it was not accurate, and the west is obsessed with avoiding collateral damagesOr..'the west' is obsessed with .hitting what they want to kill (you). Retarded turdies and dicatorslop cannot into war and must learn their place over and over again.
>>65059452The reason people like you and your dicatorslop failed states are so easy to win against is you are actually retarded and a lesser form of human life, it really is that simple and always was.
>>65059427>Nowadays Germany has access to Euro navigation satellites.Just like the Russian GLONASS system, a totally real and not at all made up satellite navigation system that also definitely exists and works!
>>65059400It allows for poor countries to have a sustainable strike capability. In the past, if you didnt have an air force or a bunch of expensive cruise missiles, you had no counterattack against an opponent who did.
>>65059452Iran surrendered, the strait is open for the next two weeks specifically becaus ethey did not want their mullah civilisation completely destroyed and there was nothing else they could do to avodid that. Yet here is you contradicting the Iranian governments surrender statement
>>65059458>It allows for poor countries to have a sustainable strike capability.Not really turdie. Not at all. UKraine is a poor nation and Russia is a bigger and wealthier one and Ukraine shoots down thousands of these thing every day using their own hobbycraft kits. It's a lame terror weapon.
>>65059398How many times are you gonna make this thread, anon?
>>65059457Hey now GLON-ASS will at least get your FABshit bombs into the desired zip code, it's marginally more effective than CCIP!
>>65059462Oh you are some wierd yellow dicatorslop coping because the US could turn your energy supply on and off like a lightbulb. I see. Europe does not trade in yuan, in fact it's barely used in international trade, reality. No one is that innterested in holding or using a currency that has a value set by a communist dicator with zero transparency or accountability. You'll figure it out or maybe not, you're pretty retarded
>>65059462I suppose there’s proof of this actually being done?
>>65059470>Hey now GLON-ASS will at least sometimes get your FABshit bombs into the desired zip code, it's marginally more effective than CCIP!ftfy
>>65059468because russia is just as poor as ukraine.. and russia doesn't even try since its a backwards shithole
>>65059452Imagine giving a fuck about someone saying slurs on 4chan
>>65059510>The US accepted talksyes>on the basis that they'll get to have nukes and all sanctions are to be lifted.noyou obviously have no idea how negotiations work and I suspect you are highly melinated
>>65059398It'll be game changing when it can perform SEAD
>>65059510The US only agreed to the ceasefire because they want time to move more cUAS assets into the area before resuming hostilities. Iran only agreed to the ceasefire because they want time to get organized so they stop wasting munitions attacking their allies when hostilities restart.
>>65059510Like I say, your 'civilisations' failed for a reason and now live in the shadow of sucess, mainly dictatorslop. It's a quality test and you failed. It's not a competeion at this point and really has not been for hundreds of years.
meanwhile in a top secret mullah tech lab teams are working on bags that automatically go on womens heads and new colour of flags that automatically raise themselves
The EU shoul annex Iran using Audi drones that usinng blinding lasers and VX gas and deport all their muslims there and it should be renamed the Islamic Republic of Tard.
>>65059398>game-changingHow.Russia has launched nearly 100,000 of these shits at Ukraine over the years, for nearly zero permanent effect on the frontline situtation or their economy or logistics.>m-muh gorillion destroyed burger bases and 6 (six) deadModern day burgers are so risk averse that their appetite for war goes away if they stub a toe, this says nothing about shasneeds as a weapon of war.
>>65059452Cool. Looks like Iran won't have a power grid in 24 hours.
>>65059621Sure, and America will invade the mainland as well.
>>65059427>GPSTo be fair, that didn't really matter for the Krautburger project. They were dead drones which targeted radar emissions.Which is also why interest in them disappeared with the fall of the USSR, there no longer was any need for suppressing half a continent's worth of AA.
>>65059613Ukraine is itself a drone spammer and most Russian Shaheds are 136 clones that can be taken down by interceptors. 238 clones, on the other hand, have no economical countermeasure at present besides lasers, which only the Americans and the Chinese have any functional prototypes of.
>>65059517>>65059532>>65059563And it's closed again.
>>65059688>have no economical countermeasure at presentAPKWS says hi
>>65059834ayatollah status?navy status?airforce status?ballistic missile program status?nuke progam status?freshwater status?
>>65059431SPAAG bros, we are so back
>>65059825>You make fun of my shithole losing? I post a single aircraft loss!Izzat status: recovered (Not really)
>>65059441He might be Japanese you wigger.
>>65059849The strait is open though.
>>65059613>Russia has launched nearly 100,000 of these shits at Ukraine over the years, for nearly zero permanent effect on the frontline situtationUh oh. I bet there's a shitton of volunteers on Ukie side because of sneedshits.
>>65059864Oh no our shill hasnt gotten his cope update
>>65059457Load GPSTest and see yourself how many Galileo satellites are visible from you place.
>>65059880thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5821573-oil-prices-drop-trump-iran-ceasefire/Money talks and says you suck cock for dick.
>>65059861>because of sneedshitsthere's likely more of them if anything because shitheeds are used exclusively against civilian infrastructure, only motivating civilians to take up arms
>dictatorslopIs this the new zoomer speak I have to look forward to?
>>65059398>Game changing >Had literally no effect on the game What did he mean by this?
>>65060059what if it was the USA who was firing 1000 of these daily rather than flying bombers from the fucking UK
>>65060060It would be less effective. Percise real-time guidance with the ability to change targets mid mission and track targets beats the fuck out of blind firing at grid squares.
I see many deleted posts.
>>65059891That's what I was talking about.
>>65060063You can track and change targets mid mission with LUCAS.
>>65060060The US unironically doesn't have the industrial capacity to make enough to fire in that volume. They did preposition a few hundred in the region and promptly blew them all in the opening hours of the current war.>>65060063Adding that is trivial. In any case, blind firing at grid squares is immensely useful in saturation attacks at grid square-ish sized targets.
>>65060145>adding that is trivial
>>65060059>no effect>sent every country into a tizzy trying to develop low cost HIMAD systems explicitly to counter them while also proving that saturation attacks against IAD networks is a viable and effective SEAD tacticPick one.
>>65060152>adding a GPS reciever antenna and a low-bandwidth satellite communications set up is somehow hardWhat do you think the round puck and the square thing on the back of the LUCAS drone in the post you replied to is? Even congolese rebel groups have smart phones and Starlink runs an exclusive DoD constellation for shit just like this. It wouldn't take anything more than two cheap antennas and an arduino board.
>>65060060Lucas has a payload of 20kg. When your goal is to strike underground missile stockpiles or flatten industrial plants with no way to rebuild you will need to something bigger.Plus does US even have 30k identified targets to send these at?
>>65059445>>65059400Jesus Christ that is some next level cope
>>65059427You can likely put a raspberry pi or some micropc on one of those or even a phone from the last 10 years that has offline google maps and it's good to go with hitting anything it needs to hit. That entire setup is like $100-$500 tops.Hell you can have a LLM local model on a PC with a battery that lasts you hours on one of those and it will cost you $2000 tops.Within a year or so you'll have AI drones parsing terrain information and picking targets of opportunity and that entire module/pod will cost $500 per unit.Only some of this shit has been tested so far. The entire field has not caught on to what is possible with off the shelf stuff yet.
>>65060214It's always funny reading shit like this from someone who clearly hasn't run an LLM on his PC.
>>65060155>saturation attacks against IAD networks is a viable and effective SEAD tactic>doesn't suppress AD>viable
>>65060224but but dronefags stood next to a guy flying an rc drone that one time, this means they've basically figured everything out.
>>65059398They look similar, but had entirely different roles and use.The German/South African/Israeli was never meant to be a strategic weapon. It was a loitering SEAD system, with a passive radar, targeting radars of opportunity.What Iran did, was take the cheap part of the system, and disregard the sensors that made them useful for SEAD.Making it cheap enough to make the opponent run out of interceptors is kind of SEAD too, but it's really not the same thing. The original couldn't be made in large enough numbers economically to be used strategically.
>>65060270Iran was selling Shaheds to Russia for more money than Israel was selling Harpies to Azerbaijan. They're not cheap by any measure.
>>65059398it was used extensively in both syria and the nagorno karabakh war it's only "power" is being cheap not a game changer
>>65059457They are literally using the exact same amount and configuration of satellites as gps
>>65060214This is the perfect example of a midwit, I even took a screenshot to show it to my students.>t. PhD in robotics
>>65059468russia launches 1000 drones in a wave and ukraine shoots down 90% of them. that's still 100 drones, together carrying 5000 to 9000 kg of tnt, making it to their targets.on the other hand it would be cheaper to just launch enough iskanders to carry the same payload
>>65060690I'm sure the 3rd graders in your robotics club will be impressed
>>65060707>russia launches 1000 drones in a wavethere's an extra zero or two in there
>>65060717https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-break-record-nearly-thousand-shahed-strike-drones-single-day-2026-3dilateanyway the cost-effectiveness of russia's drone spam doesn't depend directly on how many drones russia sends in a wave (it depends on ukraine's interception eate which may or may not depend on the # of drones) so who cares? the ratios end up the same
>>65059458The thing that gives Iran any meaningful strike caoabilities are their actual cruise and ballistic missiles, at best the drones serve to augment those, but if you do not have the capability to produce and launch cruise and ballistic missiles, the drones by themselves are meaningless.
>>65059445>the objective of the war was reopening the strait that was already open, but now Iran gets to charge people for using it
>>65060783Except Iran hasn't hit anything worthwhile with any of their ballistic missiles because they have a CEP measured in countries. Every single one of their "victories" has come from sneeds.
>>65060214>You can likely put a raspberry pi or some micropc on one of those or even a phone from the last 10 years that has offline google maps and it's good to go with hitting anything it needs to hitholy shit this is retarded
>>65059400>he doesn't know
>>65059398Germany in the 80s had a great aerodynamic design but lacked the cheap electronics required to produce these at scale.
Germany is not worth talking about. Their defense was completely neutered. Israel used them for their original purpose of distracting and hitting air defenses. Israel doesn’t need them for regular strike because they can just drop bombs from an airplane for just as cheaply but with a vastly more bigger boom. For long range, they have ballistic missiles (including air launched). Ballistic missiles are better than Shaheds, provided you have some level basic level of industry to make them. Ukrainians don’t worry about Shaheds. Those are slow and noisy. You can hide from them and shoot them down with guns. They worry about ballistic missiles. Those come without warning.
>>65061161They were meant to work against Soviet radars, and do SEAD. I don't know if the program ever rached a stage where electronics were installed.>>65061213>the usual anti-German shitflinging in broken EnglishI wonder which shill group pushes this? Sorks?
>>65061213>1980s West Germany>Their defense was completely neutered
>>65061223Shahed economics (and straight up open access GPS) didn’t exist in the 1980s. Might as well make a cruise missile with fancy guidance and put a jet engine and a bigger warhead and they did.
>>65061235Except that the drones were intended as massed sead, as anons m ntioned, where none of those mattered and where cruise missiles are worthless in comparison.
>>65059400Looks closed to me
>>65059398target discrimination. same reason the americans took the extremely long range tomahawk anti ship missiles off their ships and the harpoons off their submarines. you can't see far or clearly enough over the horizon to confidently make a shot that could turn a civilian target inside out. only demons use weapons like that, hence why china and the ex soviets continued to use shit like the sandbox missile after the cold war.
>>65059848just subhuman then. but most likely a ching chong china man and therefore thirdie.
>>65059398>this fucking thread againnothing about them is game changing. iran just spams them because it's all they got outside of ballistic missiles. it's only impressive to 2-digit iq thirdworlders such as yourself, op
These drones were widely employed, in most respects the threat of their use is better position then their actual use. Iran having to actually use them shows poor diplomacy.Merchant Marine has little point defence, these ships are not worth individually defending. The US can always retaliate, Iran pushed that too far.Let us not forget that Egypt, isreal, Iraq all closed the Strait to much better effect. And the Turks have much better long range drones, they never even needed to make the threat overly.
>>65059398They didnt integrate Starlinks on top of these things for real time tracking/guidance
>>65059398Off the top of my head, coming to think of it, this whole ordeal reasserts that all wars are economic wars. These parties are stuck in a temporary past, where one could afford to imagine wars as technological or of brute force.The first world war started with amassed use of force, but turned into a question of whoms society could outlast the other. The second one saw rapid technological progress, yet a central deciding factor was productive capability.And now, in the wake of Future Force Warrior, advanced interceptor systems, and sensor-fusioned air forces throwing precision munitions around like candy, a fairly humble system manages to exert a surprising squeeze on the balls of economies.The question is, what does this mean for armies fighting with "conventional" thought first, focused on tanks crudely rolling over borders and air forces dominating without ability to occupy?/semi-offtopic
All these will do is put pressure on western companies to make missiles cheaper. These are just shittier missiles.
