Post gear, discuss gear.Tactical supremacy editionOld: >>65046435
Shill me the lightest iii+ ceramic sapi plate that can stop .308, m855 and m81.
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /bag/ - uh I mean /gq/, anon used TITANIUM to make knights a thing again. I went on a rant about how awesome AlMgB14-TiB2 is, and anon still doesn't trust Hesco. Rachel.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.165CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):Budget: Hesco T212 or L211Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Used Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DNDElite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)
>>65059594Assuming you mean M80, lightest white-side is Hesco 3811. NIJ cert as a III and 3.6lb SAPI M or 3.4lb 10x12. If you've got the connections or get lucky, the 3.5lb LSAPI or USMC Lite SAPI are tougher plates but run higher BFD.Absolute lightest is a 2.2lb polycrystalline diamond plate prototyped by Diamond Age, but that's an experimental and therefore unobtanium.
Any reason I shouldn’t get a safariland drop flex with the qls attachment for my first duty/battle belt rig?
>>65060033I would worry about durability and it not being ridged enough when drawing, but it's probably fine
>>65060033Do you need a tripfag to tell you what to buy?
>>65060033Depends on if you want to the tea pot every time you draw.
>>65060138I can't do the teapot or shit in full kit. Am I disabled? I struggle to even pee sometimes. It runs down my leg on the battlefield, then dries and itches and causes an infection. I must scratch my balls incessantly to survive the struggles of the battlefield. As I cannot pee, I need to know if the safariland drop flex can be attached to my peenor. Thanks
>>65060269>>65060338based>>65059128China can also help you accept who you really are. I'm just saying.https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809716504204.html>>65057904Glad to help.
>>65059633>Hesco 3811Looks great on paper but damn I can’t find a single video of it being shot
>>65060381It's a fairly new plate and Hesco doesn't really do the whole affiliate youtuber thing. Fortunately, it's NIJ-certified. NIJ cert trumps youtube test any day of the week.https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/equipment-and-technology/body-armor/ballistic-resistant-armor#1-0>search keyword 3811
>>65059566Is M-Tac a reputable gear company? Looking to get their $80 war belt. Also need some belt armor panel recommendations
Also just a daily reminder that if you have unlimited monies, Hesco has a secret III+ above the 3811 called the SC3812, formerly known in some circles as the 3885. It is 3.8lb SAPI M or ~3.6lb 10x12, rated for 3x 7.62x51mm M80 or 5.56 M855A1, for the low price of... $3,500 a set.https://www.tac11.com/shop/fxr-sc3812-nij-level-rf2-e-1687It's down on multi hit versus the 3811 (3x M80 vs 6x) but smokes it on rating (M855A1 and standoff LPS vs M855) while only being 0.2lb heavier. Boron carbide is king.
>>65060509Ukrainian, so mileage may vary. A Crye blast belt is the boring IIIA rec. If you've brave Jinwudun has very affordable (Chinese) belts.
Is there any place that sells certified war belt armor alone? Preferably Poly 3A inserts? I might just get the Jinwudun belt if there aren't any out there
>>65059566Speaking of KNIGHTS, Gilliam Technical Services is now embracing its FOUR CENTURIES OF HERITAGE and is now Gilliam Arms.>The Gilliam Arms name is not a marketing construct. It draws directly from a documented ancestral lineage. In 1604, John Guillim — a direct paternal ancestor of company founder W. Gilliam — received the Earl Marshal’s warrant to wear the tabard of Portsmouth Pursuivant Extraordinary at the College of Arms in London. By 1618 he held the formal title of Rouge Croix Pursuivant of Arms in Ordinary under King James I. In 1610, he published A Display of Heraldrie, the foundational reference text of English heraldry, still consulted by working heralds today.>The Guillim family coat of arms — a lion rampant Ermyns, gorged with a collar Or, langued and armed Gules — is documented within Guillim’s own book. The word “Arms” in Gilliam Arms carries both meanings simultaneously: the ballistic armor the company manufactures, and the heraldic arms of the Guillim family recorded at the College of Arms over four centuries ago.>Each plate in the product line will carry a name traceable to a specific moment or figure in the Gilliam lineage.It gets better.>The company’s flagship NIJ-certified RF3 plate — currently in final preparation for TIMS submission under NIJ Standard 0101.07 — will carry the designation HERALD, named in direct honor of John Guillim, Rouge Croix Pursuivant, the herald whose 1604 warrant marks the earliest documented entry of the Guillim name into the official rolls of the College of Arms.
>>65060691>certified war belt armorNo such thing at least under NIJ. NIJ only certifies body armor in "vest" panel or plate form worn on the torso.Anything that isn't body armor is uncertified regardless of what the manufacturer says, so you're relying on manufacturer rep alone. I have Jinwudun's IIIA skirt, no complaints with build quality but I haven't shot it so I can't tell you if it works. Similar poly IIIA skirts have seen use on both sides of the Ukraine conflict because they provide 360 degree femoral, ass, and nuts coverage. Jinwudun's in particular has seen use with the Russians, so they have some "professional" (kinda) end users. The belt checks out in terms of specs and it's cheap too.
>>65060573One day, take a trip to the street markets of Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong. After eating a pork bun actually filled with gutter oil and cat meat, you will shit yourself a whole man. After shitting yourself a whole man on the streets of Kowloon, travel by dirty bicycle taxi to Sham Shui Po. After arriving in Sham Shui Po, you will arrive in Sham Shui Po. Once you are in Sham Shui Po, head to the markets near Chungking Mansions. Do not go inside Chungking unless you want questionable head and a hotel room the size of an oven. Once in the markets, purchase another pork bun and shit yourself a whole man. Once the shit is shat, become hudrated with Wanglaoji, then take in the aroma of the market. Around you is the worst shit in all of china, all the clothes meant for Temu Africa, like the premade victory merch for the teams that lose the super bowl, because it ain't even presentable on Temu. The lawn chairs will fit an anorexic child rescued from Epstein island... maybe.
>>65060716>haven't shot it so I can't tell you if it works.Surely your balls deserve reassurance worth shooting your own skirt filled with a couple tangerines and a banana?
>>65060749I'm saving up for a .45-70 Marlin actually, so I could get a ballistic gel dummy and reenact the one time someone actually died to backface deformation (.45-70 to only IIA, BFD over 100mm) but to the dummy's banana and tangerines.
Interesting deal alert. Set of VelSys "B-VEL" coated steel covert plates on ebay for $700. These are an improvement on the PSTES first-gen steel plates but are generally inferior to the later PBZSA covert and boron carbide BZ API Secret Service type members of the VelSys ULV family. Also four times the weight of the 7.62x39 MSC only VS-PXULV all-PE model.They pick up M80 / M855 / M193 (watch velocity) protection over just 7.62x39 MSC as with PSTES / PULV. 6lb a plate. Steel, so in spite of the coating they will spall.https://www.ebay.com/itm/267617435158IMO, these are horrible generalists but serve a niche for low profile rifle protection. I'd prefer the all-PE PXULV unless M855 is a problem, since the PXULV is 1.5lb, not 6lb, and in theory passes through a metal detector because it has no metal. If threats are stiff (M855A1 / BZ API) the rare covert-cut PBZSA variant is better. Secret Service version is even better but street price is $5k a set and it only came up for sale one time, so it's like the Ceradyne SAECs. Uber expensive top-tier totally "surplus" armor.
Small rev. G ESAPIs for 220 Arizona sweet teas on tacswap. Good deal if you're a smaller dude.
Also, what's the difference between the 9900X and the 9900SA?
>>65060695Now that's what I call schizo
>>65061474Pride in your heritage is not schitzo. Do you know your father's name? That would be a good start for (you).>t. Sons of the American Revolution >t. Mayflower Society
>>65061628 lmao hi Gilliam, how's the Monster Zero Ultra this fine morning?
>>650611449900x is polyurea (LineX) coated.>>65061130Very cheap for improved ESAPIs.>>65061474The Herald better be a badass plate.>>65061628Based.
What's the modern high-end equivalent of an ATAPS rig? I've had something like this forever but I want to try something with more up to date materials and construction. Maybe laminate construction, etc. I have no budget.
>>65061746spiritus 34 alpha will set you back another $200 with little to no noticable improvements
>>65059566Need good footwear recs. Feet are killing me. Need a good all-terrain boot that I can wear at the factory and also opr8 in. Doesn’t need heavy texture for mountaineering. More importantly, how can I not destroy my feet? Have tons of calluses and such that I assume are from ill fitting shoes.
>>65062114Just get timberlands, if it's good enough for drug dealers it's good enough for you
>>65062114Just get sneakers from a reputable brand.
>>65062123Worse boots Ive ever owned in my life. Better off with the walmart boots. Heavy boots suck ass
>>65061661Damn you got em. I knew he lurked here. Wilson! Why are you discontinuing the 1023 and 8002? They're your best plates.
>>65062146timberland pros were comfortable but the sole split in half after a year
>>65062604It's probably been used to take hundreds of "game animals" since then.
gq is officially bipolar. Either the fastest general on /k/ or it's altchan-o-cock
THIS IS NOT A CONTROVERSIAL POST!ALSO, I SHOOT 10MM!
>>65063171Its the whole board. Everyone is either dead or moved on to greener pasture
>>65063217You're right. /arg/ is slow as fuck too. Weird because last /gq/ was turbo speed, hit bump in three days.Probably because we had muh 4400s "I hate armor autism!" anon (wonder who told him to buy the 4400s...) and titanium knightposter making conversation.I have nothing new in terms of armor autism since last thread, which probably isn't helping things. I'm waiting on this flagship Gilliam Herald RF3 plate to drop. My expectation is that it's an improved 9969. If it splits the difference in all respects between Adept's Archon and Colossus, maybe 6.2lb for an honest 10x12 and it stops M993 reliably but not Swiss P AP, it'll be a 10/10 winner as long as price stays under $900/set and there's no bullshit with the drop pro or cut. Until then, I wait and see.
>>65063217AKA, all growed up now. 'Ceptin' us'uns.
>>65063402Hey bro, don't get shot.
>>65063447Statistically it is VERY likely none of us will ever get shot or have to use our guns in anger.Yet here we are... talking about... *checks notes*Titanium knight suits for extreme multi hit, blast belts from JINWUDUN, an RF3 plate named after a 17th century Rouge Croix Pursuivant, and III+ Hesco 3811s.I do have news though. The Highcum 3S14M and 3S15M are 0101.07 certified. They are among the first plates to simultaneously hold 0101.06 and 0101.07 cert last I checked.
>>65063485>They are among the first plates to simultaneously hold 0101.06 and 0101.07 cert last I checked.OMG! I'm going to light a candle and put it in the window!
>>65063492That's gonna be a lot of candles, cuz both .06 and .07 will be active for several years. Somebody call the fire department anon's gonna burn his house down.
>>65063485>They are among the first plates to simultaneously hold 0101.06 and 0101.07 cert last I checked.splain what that means to someone who doesnt know shit about platesdoes it mean i should buy them
>>65063485Hey bro, don't get shot.
>>65063567>does it mean I should buy themNo, they're mostly inferior to Hesco counterparts. 3800 and 3810 / 3811, once you account for Highcom's 10x12 being more like a 9x11.>splain what that means to someone who doesnt know shit about platesSuper quick and dirty. The 3S15M is certified NIJ Level III, so after getting dropped twice and what not it stops six 7.62x51mm M80 at 2,780ft/s. That's 0101.06, the current standard. It is NOW also certified as NIJ RF1, so it stops three 7.62x51mm M80 after getting dropped once.>wtf that's a downgradeYes. 0101.07 reduces multi hit req at this level from six to three. RF1 replaces III. Also the drop test is now easier. This is why dual cert could be useful.Anyways, since it's RF1, the 3S15M is also now certified to beat 3x 5.56 M193 or 3x 7.62x39 mild steel core, the latter of which is important because some cheapo PE plates do lose to mild steel core 7.62x39mm. However, the 3S15M is not able to beat M855, which is where the RF2 level 3S14M comes in!Previously the 3S14M was certified as a III, but now it's certified RF2, so it does the RF1 stuff but also stops 3x 5.56 M855, courtesy of its ceramic strike face which the 3S15M lacks.Now, important bit, the 3S14M only needs to stop M855 after being dropped once. Jury is out on what happens if you drop it twice NIJ-style (4 feet, 10lb weight on back, onto concrete) as you would per 0101.06.Anyways, 0101.06 does not list 5.56 and 7.62x39 stuff at all and the new 0101.07 ratings do, hence the new certs. We're already seeing cases, like with the RMA XRT, where plates can handle listed threats fine after a SINGLE 0101.07 drop, but if dropped twice like 0101.06 they fold (M80A1, see Buff vid). Dual cert between 0101.06 and 0101.07 sorta kinda guarantees extra drop resilience, but not against M855 or non-NIJ threats.
>>65059566AWS has listed a "Commando Light" Chicom Type 56 clone made in black. Their page says it is contract over runs for "Tier-One Unit".Has anyone seen these in the wild?
>>65063889https://awsin.com/51247-ak-47-chest-rig/I think it might have been something to give to interps? I can't tell if this is a three or four cell, if three cell would be a pretty close match. Then again a black Type 56 is pretty generic.
>>65063590Simple as.
>>65062114>Need a good all-terrain boot that I can wear at the factory and also opr8 in.No dude, wear your OSHA approved boots in your factory and buy a separate pair of shoes for recreational outside shit. If you're a gigapoorfag think about what you do the most and allocate your discretionary income accordingly. I wear the same pair of la sportiva hiking shoes to go trail-running, hiking, hunting, walking around on my property, and on the outdoor range when I shoot comps.
>>65064308>la sportivaAre they red or yellow?
1959 FN 2-2-1, so tempting.
