build a million quadcop-... i mean tankettes....

War is fun, we should do it again

to never do anything with spanish people again
>even at war all they do is sleeping
>all those who fought were foreigners
>the communist side was such a shithole one man made two novels about it to warn others how bad this shit is when handed to the wrong people

>>65060300
Some say Orwell was trying to warn everyone about communism, but in truth he just wanted to warn everyone about the Spanish

>>65060305
The moment Eric Blair got home to the UK he was trying to agitate for socialist causes.
He was the first "Not REAL gommunism" faggot.

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>>65060292
t.

>>65060314
Good book, especially when read back to back with All Quiet. I know some treat it like a competition but they're both great books

>>65060263
russians learned new rape techniques from the moor

>>65060305
Fashions change, style is forever.

>>65060263
It was all pretty minor, but also pretty important. Lots of little details about tank design, doctrine, airplane doctrine, etc.
German's armored meme didn't come out of nowhere, interwar tanks were a mess and every major power was making mistakes in some capacity. Spanish Civil War helped the Axis sort out theirs.
>Soviets
They learned absolutely nothing because they lost hard.

>>65060263
Germans learned that the flak 18 in the hands of a spanish atilleryman:
>"No, we are not running away because enemy tanks coming from the flank, we have a gun."
>"What do you mean is an anti air gun?, I have a BIG gun"

>>65060314
Not the point

Spanish women are hot and the weather is nice.
Atleast according to my granduncle who served with the Condor Legion and used the war to cheat on his wife by hooking up with a local woman.

Italy likely gained many lessons from the war, but the enormous cost of the war seems to have hindered its reforms.

>>65060263
>germans
pretty much shaped modern fighter and CAS doctrine

>soviets
guerilla movements need massive state-sponsored supply chains to work, and then they'll work even better than invading the country yourself

>italians
war bad, coffee good

>>65060537
>pretty much shaped modern fighter and CAS doctrine
lolno, absolutely not even close to right on either count. The main thing the Germans learned about CAS was the incorrect belief that every aircraft needed to be a dive bomber, which proceeded to hamstring their aircraft designs right up to their banana empire surrendering.

What the Germans actually learned was that radios were the key interwar development in military technology. They correctly deduced that the effect of radios would be to create opportunities to increase operational tempo, that centralised control was no longer fit for interaction with the tactical level of war and that orchestration would be enhanced but only if it were decentralised. It followed from this that everything needed radios and junior decision makers needed to be empowered to make tactical decisions quickly, and that standardised control measures needed to be developed.

But like, feel free to never read any books by interwar or WWII German military thinkers and spout some Wehraboo bullshit on the internet.

>>65060561
if you're gonna be like that then I trump with:
>Germans lost, therefore they learned nothing of value
checkmate.

The pseudo-strategic bombing, which even the Ju 52 was capable of, must have made the Luftwaffe complacent.

>>65060561
>that centralised control was no longer fit for interaction with the tactical level of war and that orchestration would be enhanced but only if it were decentralised
They learned that part back in WW1.

>>65060710
wdym
>pseudo-strategic
and
>Ju 52 was capable of
?

a B-17 could carry nearly 3 times the bomb load of a Ju-52
the Luftwaffe went all-in on close air support of ground offensives at the expense of virtually every other air combat mission

>>65060263
>Facists (Germans/Italians)
They learned tactics and what worked/didn't work
>communists (Russia mainly)
They learned the belief of "communsim in one country" as anarchists and moderates caused chaos in the republican force

>>65060437
>They learned absolutely nothing because they lost hard.
Not true, they learned the anarchists were useless allies.

>>65060263
Rodimstev used his experience gained in the Spanish civil war to defend Stalingrad. Retarded Anons saying the Soviets learned nothing just don't know what they're on about.

>>65061257
>Learned the wrong lessons on the effectiveness of "terror bombing"
yes
"it works really well" is what they took away, when the lesson had the important caveat: "when the enemy has no air force"

it's quite interesting to read that during the interwar period there was discussion to ban strategic bombing in much the same way we talk about banning nuclear bombs today. the Spanish War would have looked like a small nuke exchange that quickly compelled capitulation today.

>>65061304
>1940
I think the mis-learning from the SCW was more impactful because by 1940 it was probably too late to design and produce a strategic bomber to blitz London with, whereas there was still time in 1937 and 1938

>>65060765
It's the other way round. The Soviets were not there to help anyone or be helped, the Soviets were there to take over Spain and install a puppet regime. Their behavior and objectives were why Orwell, an avid socialist, became such an outspoken anti-communist.

>>65061257
>another tryhard
Spain was a Blitzkrieg proving ground by parts. Aircraft, combined arms ground maneuver, battlefield medicine. Nothing there had anything to do with Russia, dumbass. All the lessons worked. Until your favorite bloodthirsty lunatic started fucking it all up with egotistical, (later, drug-fueled paranoid) micromanagement well outside of his skillset.

>>65061375
>Until your favorite bloodthirsty lunatic started fucking it all up with egotistical, (later, drug-fueled paranoid) micromanagement well outside of his skillset.
This is just surviving generals trying to place all blame on Hitler. They were the ones to primarily fuck things up, which is precisely why Hitler started taking command himself. His micromanagement really kicked in after Stalingrad, when the failure of the war was becoming apparent.
He had a superior strategic understanding compared to many of his generals. E.g. Halder going for Moscow when Germany didn't even have enough fuel to get there.

>>65060689
I hate this piece of shit mural so goddamn much. It's such a piece of rancid dogshit, with the onlyt thing propping it up being inane sentimentalism's about "muh tragedy" and "muh Basque heritage". Fucking idiotic loony-tunes looking trash.

>>65060314
Id love to see a movie made on this and it just shows him unfazed constantly.

>>65062004
B-but it's surreal and appreciated by the art world. You're just some uncultured swine that can't see real art

>>65061304
The Germans didnt start wasting there time on terror bombing the UK until later in the war.

>>65060765
What? They used and the anarchists and threw them away when they got what they wanted, same as in Ukraine during the Russian Civil War.

>>65062003
>After Stalingrad
Your lack of self-awareness is fucking tragic

>>65062397
Stalingrad IS the point where Hitler started micromanaging and where Stalin stopped micromanaging.
It's the very specific point where point sides finally understood the way the war was going and had adopted to it fully.

>>65060737
>peuso-strategic
he probably meant operational bombing aka bridges and supply dumbs which isn't as strategical as bombing factories

>>65062100
>The Germans didnt start wasting there time on terror bombing the UK until later in the war.
the blitz was in 1940.

>>65062037
>that section with the englishman just bashing dudes' heads in with the trench club

>>65060314
I read a while back that his family was close friends with Arthur Stoll, the man who later helped Alfred Hoffmann develop LSD, so Junger may have just been tripping his balls off on experimental drugs the whole war, which would explain why he had such a great time.

>>65064453
So you're saying we should slip a sheet of acid into MREs at random to improve morale? I like the way you think anon

The Germans should've learned the Italians were unreliable allies. The Spanish republicans found that they typically would cut and run when confronted.

>>65060324
All Quiet seems like it's the perspective of the average solider who didn't have much choice about going to war and their experience, there also the Road Back is an indirect sequel about going home after and being expected to just go to normal life after having gone though the immense pressures and horrors of the war, and being on the losing side in a collapsing country.
While Storm is just a direct diary write up of an officer who wanted to be there, consistently lead on the front lines and after it was all over had a comfortable life and went on to be quite successful.
WW1 is so overshadowed by WW2 but its interesting that there's two really prominent books from German point of view

>>65064453
he's been tripping his balls off his entire life, he even wrote a whole book of short stories about it man

>>65060721
Hell that stuff even predates the 1.WW.