Why were harriers able to just completely fucking ratio the shit out of frog built fighter jets in the falklands? do bongs just make better planes like they make better rifles than the frogs?
>>65061162Death rays https://www.twz.com/36949/her-majestys-death-ray-how-the-aim-9l-sidewinder-vanquished-argentine-air-force
>>65061162Mirage III has shit endurance, and the argies operated theirs from continental bases (instead of Port Stanley, which was within range of bong bombers). So, by the time they reached the bong fleet, they had very little fuel to spare on air combat maneuvers.
>>65061162>Argie fighters/fighter bombers>at the edge of their endurance by the time they get to the Brit fleet>rear-aspect/old missiles>garbage electronic overlays>no functional ejection seatsit's a wonder they didn't do way worse than they did
>>65061205I always wonder if Argies would fuck the bongs up if their top brass treated the whole thing more seriously and like, I dunno, reinforce the Port Stanley airfield with some serious forces and air defence, and operate sorties from there. Their pilots ware competent and their air frames not half bad.
>>65061205Vatniks nonsense. They had entire half of the tank (for trip back) to dedicate to air combat maneuvers.
>>65061340tenno heika banzai!
>>65061162>enter ring>opponent is only allowed to walk forward, turn around, walk back and leave>if he does anything else he will be drowned in freezing water>beat the shit out of him
>>65061162Brits would have lost without Reagan conveniently losing a batch of AIM-9 Limas and Thatcher happening to come across them. Even then, there was a lot of luck.
>>65061445Apparently the brits would have lost if the argies had remembered to adjust the arming fuses on their bombs for sea skimming attacks.
>>65061448It wasn't that the argies didn't remember; it was that, had they done so, they'd have tenno heika banzai-ed themselves when dropping the bombs, due to blast radius. Now, of course, you could claim that swapping a plane+pilot for a ship is a good trade, but they were thinking like a "regular" military, rather than an insurrectionist/partisan militia group.
>>65061162Just so you know because I'm 99.99% sure you made this thread after reading the 20:0 ratio and assumed it was 20 mirages III being downed here's the real list of planes shot by harriers during the war :>Mirage III EA: 1 (The other was friendly fire)>IAI Dagger : 9>A-4 Skyhawk : 8>Canberra Bomber : 1>Pucará : 1>C-130 Hercules : 1 I understand the goal of this thread was to make fun of France cause /k/ can't stand frogs, but the mirage 3 is probably one of the highest K/S plane of it's era and the title of your thread should be why the harriers are so good at shooting down Jews and US planes :)
>>65061514K/D Idk why it autocorrects to S. My bad I'm phoneposting but this thread made me mad kek
>>65061514Dagger is a kike rebadge of the Mirage 5 you slippery frog.
>>65061162It was the superior radar planes feeding them better information
>>65061445Argentina would have won if Chile had done the right thing and just sank into the sea.
Argentina could have won if the US supplied Argentina with 12 688s and 36 Sturgeons all fully crewed and armed.
UK should have triggered Article 5 and invaded France.
>>65061205Except the harriers were also operating at the extreme end of their range, the RN didn't want the carrier to get anywhere near the Islands.
>>65061590Or teamed up with the surrendering Germans in 1945 to take care of the Irish question.
>>65061162Off topic but>Be Harrier>A small, relatively low-tech day fighter>A proven battlefield success>Practically the embodiment of what the Reformers shilled for>They absolutely fucking hated itWhy?
>>65061601Because thrust vectoring was a troublesome gimmick or some shit probably.You have to remember it's not just about simple, it's about basically wanting to fight WW3 as WW2.
>>65061167And now the muslims have the rayguns
>>65061603>>65061601It wasn't low supersonic either.
>>65061601I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure it had to dump its payload before landing.
>>65061596>IrishBLACK AS BOG!
>>65061606So with a VTOL, you have to keep in mind they're usually actually going to be used as STOVLs. Or V/STOLS depending on how you want to refer to it. Point is your take-home weight depends on if you need to be able to actually hover or not to land at your intended destination.
>>65061606IIRC the Harriers in last strike mission flown in the Falklands broke orders and brought their Paveways(?) back to the carrier after the mission was scrubbed. They didn't dump them due to the rarity of the guided A2G weapons.
>>65061625I could be mistaking it with the f35
>>65061617>Almirante Brown>"father of the Argentine Navy">Born: County MayoIt goes deeper than you think
>>65061629I meant that the pilots in that specific mission decided to land with the weapons against standard procedure. So there were some form of constraints.
>>65061632By God sir is there no end to these infernal bogtrotters?
>>65061351They can try land in Stanley or just bail out over island base.
>>65061601>Why?Because reformers were boomers preaching "speed speed speed!" like good old Mustang P-51. But Harrier was twice as slow as Mirage and that broke their minds.
>>65061601your mistake is assuming that refoormers think rationally
>>65061819They think "rationally" but superficially and in terms of paper stats of WWII meta.Mirage top speed 2300km/hHarrier top speed 1130km/hMirage is 2 times better.But it's not that simple irl and missiles are to blame. In WWII speed advantage transferred into initiative advantage and choosing your fight via boom and zoom. But with missiles in equation zoom is not so good now, you zooming away put out your tailpipe as very tempting target for Sidewinder. So for faster aircraft it's not that simple to cash out energy advantage.But do you know what thing reformers despise? That's right. Guided missiles. They absolutely hate them. So when they hear that better performance aircraft lost because of the missiles they go absolutely highwire. Stomping their feet , covering their ears and screaming "I don't hear you!".
>>65061890>Harrier top speed 1130km/hWow. That's pretty close to the speed of sound.
>>65061162Thrust vectoring rules the skies
>>65061162>just lazily throwing the landing gear back like a um, harrier in flight.
>>65061900Yeah, the harrier has plenty of thrust, but is strictly subsonic because it doesn't have convergent-divergent nozzles.
>>65061514>IAI Dagger : 9>look inside>Mirage
this is a good interview about the air component https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EWrd0ceDVUI may be thinking of a different video but im pretty sure this guy says the Argentinians were hamstrung because they only did piecemeal attacks, whereas if they came en masse it would have been harder to counter
>>65061565>rebadge of the Mirage 5Not at all. It's a frankenstein retro-engineered Mirage III.
>>65062077Do you enjoy being wrong
>>65062095That's not the complete story, and even then it's very far from "rebadged".
>>65061228>I always wonder if Argies would fuck the bongs up if I to am curious about this.
>>65061162>do bongs just make better planes like they make better rifles than the frogs?Better planes, better rifles, better tanks, better cars, better music, better culture, better cheese. The only thing the Frogs really do better is wine, and that's just because Britain doesn't really have the climate for high quality grapes.
>>65062165>better rifles>better culture
>>65062165>better carslol, lmaot. bongevery remotely notable british manufacturer has either become foreign-owned or just straight up died, due to all the country's eggs getting put in the one badly-made basket that was british leyland
>>65062185>LegionnairesSo we agree that the best soldiers France has are exclusively recruited from non-Frenchmen.
>>65061205Argentinian pilots were instructed to avoid any contact with the Harriers, as many published works have pointed out if they went for air superiority at all cost and hit any Harrier they had a chance at they would have the Malvinas they wanted.After all it was only Harriers not Buccaneers and Phantoms they had to deal with.
>>65062165>better riflesSo much better in fact that they had the Germans fix them.
>>65062189Yeah, the massive running theme of old Top Gear is how absolutely garbage British non-luxury cars are, which is a segment that none of the French manufacturers actually compete in.
>>65062095>In response to the embargo, Israel decided to domestically manufacture the airframesSo you do agree that the Brits shot down 1 (one) French built Mirage and 9 Israeli bootleg Mirages and that OP is a butthurt bong that can't come to terms with its country voluntarily shedding its former industrial might and must convince xirself of its superiority over its neighbors from the other side of the Channel, no matter the bad faith and mental gymnastics it implies?
>>65061162Aim 9L Op
>>65061900Harriers anre Aerodynamically speed limited, but has more thrust than you would expect out of a typical subsonic attack jet. Ya know, since they have to take off with no space
>>65061981Did they have the capability though? Coordinating large multi-squadron attack missions is fucking hard
>>65061605super sonic is wildly overrated
>>650622909L was on top of the pile honest, guv ;)They were rather nice.
>>65061514The Dagger is just a better Mirage III
>>65062165Better women too
>>65062307See >>65061968
>>65062189>due to all the country's eggs getting put in the one badly-made basket that was british leylandyeah the british car industry was basically finished after that, and typically car manufacturing supports seven downstream jobs per each (why the germans/eu are so protective of the german car industry) so the economic effects on the country were catastrophic. for a long time the uk was probably the most socialist country in nato. add to that industry is actively discouraged (gotta keep krauts in jobs) so none of that vast city cash is ever going to go into building shit unless something serious changes in london. which it won't.
>>65062267>Germanshk was british owned at the time and the fix was done in britain.
>>65062280It's neighbors aren't doing any better at the moment.
>>65062959>subsidizing non-competitive industries is good for a countryWrong
>>65061228>I always wonder if Argies would fuck the bongs up if their top brass treated the whole thing more seriously and like, I dunno, reinforce the Port Stanley airfield with some serious forces and air defence,Couldn't, their regulars were on the border waiting for Chile to do something stupid.
>>65062959JCBs are good. so you still have that.
>>65061665did stanley have any fuel? and the bongs had bombed the airport with their strategic nuke bombers before the fleet got there
>>65062959>>65062189>>65062165>>65062271yuropoors are just fucking retarded with their domestic manufacturing in general. like they are currently letting china dump electric cars that the CCP subsidizes into yurop for less than the components to make the car cost. the chinese did the same shit with solar panels. there are vids of obongo bitching about how the chinese were selling solar panels for less than the cost of the materials to make the solar panels and now china is the only country in the world that makes solar panels that's why there are those tiktok vids of chinese cars that cost a song for a new car. like idk if the cars or good or not or if they are made really shittily like other chinese goods, but the CCP subsidizes chinese car makers and lets them sell cars for less than the cost of the components
>>65061617interesting film lol
>>65062280I'm OP and I'm American. I was just dabbin on yuropoors, I don't like bongs either.
>>65061205SAS infiltrated the airbase we had on the Island and blew all the planes with explosives. Our army clearly did an incredibly poor job at defending that base.There is a decent biography by one of the commandos that did it: "Eye of the Storm: Twenty-five Years in Action with the SAS" by Peter Ratcliffe.
>>65062970>>subsidizing non-competitive industries is good for a countryNTAit literally is. the chinese government subsidizes companies who then sell products for less than the raw material costs to destroy industries in other nations. there's a vid of obongo bitching about this shit back in like 2015 and Trump shat up the WTO over it by blocking all the judge appointments and brandon and yurop didn't bother to fix it and the "new" WTO only has like albania and nigeria in it because no one else wants the WTO shit back again. if your government doesn't protect your industries you end up competing in a race to the bottom with india and bangladesh and china and you end up with terrible wages and working conditions because thirdies. hell, there are government documents that were released in a congressional hearing in the 90s showing that reagan's NSF which was lead by a jew in the 80s intentionally engaged in a jewish conspiracy to import third worlders via h1bs and student visas so they could lower STEM wages by making Americans compete for jobs with thirdies bullet prices in the US are retarded right now because all of the components manufacturers are over seas which, fucking why are we relying on chinese tungsten?
>>65062421>>65061976>>65061565cope more the mirage III has a ratio of 180–190 kills to 12–30 losses depending on sources so about 8:1 to 15:1, being mostly pilotes by browns and kikes while the harrier only has +-22 kills in total while being piloted by extremely competent countries.
