most kino plane in history
>>65061315ummm that's not the F35?
>>65061315No quite
>>65061315True...
>>65061315>Libya had 90+ MiG-25s in service at one pointModern armed forces are weak and gay.
>>65061315>MiggerI don't even think about you
>>65061602one of the hardest pictures of all time
Considering the number that were airworthy, and the relative capacity gap, is there anyone who things the ME-262 was not the greatest aircraft of all time?The Lewis brothers made the first plane, the gap between 0 and 1 is infinite. But that's only a technical victory. In real terms no aircraft has ever had such an overwhelming advantage in symmetrical or doctrinal combat then the ME-262
>>65061636>In real terms no aircraft has ever had such an overwhelming advantage in symmetrical or doctrinal combat then the ME-26Maybe the Eindecker in WWI?
>>65061315Thought those were F-15s at first glance, Mcdonnell really just ripped off Mikoyan's design.>>65061602They look fat.
>>65061636The americans and brits countered the predictable me 262 with boom and zoom which forced them into defensive horizontal maneuvers which they could not reasonably be expected to survive. The jet engine simply wasn't ready to surpass the more mature prop planes. The germans never fully matured when it came to energy retention in turns. They inevitably made shit jet planes because they couldn't even make a well-rounded prop plane.
>>65061640The focker was the first air superiority fighter, at least of note, so was doctrinal not symmetrical. It was a fighter for shooting down spotter planes, not a "good" fighter. It represented a change in doctrine rather than a leap in technical performance. Some will value one other the other, strategic development over technical advancement but that is neither here nor there. The fockker was an advancement in doctrine, i think everyone can agree on that. If the Lewis brothers made the first plane, he fokker was the first fighter. But first is not best, the me-262 was a fighter that raped all other fighters, it wasn't just a symmetrical victory, it was an order of magnitude advancement.
>>65061657True that the Germans, having strapped two jet engines to a propeller plane could hardly maneuvour it. But the value of air superiority fighters was primarily to take out bombers. The me-262 was the first interceptor fighter. Shooting down escort fighters was sort of a non objective, doctrine was to take out the bombers and to do that, you had to intercept.I concede in advance that I'm dancing around whether an interceptor is a kind of air superiority fighter or not... but in terms of Kino?The ME-262 was the most Kino plane to ever exist. It flew combat missions, everyone who saw it thought it was divine weapon, nobody knew how it worked at all, it had no propeller, it was a hundred kmph faster in cruise then anything else, it passed you as fast as a car on the Freeway passes a speed camera, but the speed camera was going 350, the ME was going 450.And I may also point out that the me 263 did 590mph. In 1945. I would put it first only that the m262 was it's predecessor, and it was still essentially experimental.
>>65061602What purpose to the manboobs serve
>>65061315No aircraft has ever been so consequential to fortunes of an entire nation such as the Spitfire has and no aircraft before or since is a match for its pure elegance and grace
>>65061684Those are their second set of arms tucked in.
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>>65061636(You) managed to include the two greatest single seat fighter aircraft of World War II in the pic1. the twin-turbosupercharged zenith of piston engine fighters2. its twin-axial flow turbojet powered successorpassing the baton
>>65061636It definitely hit hard.I read a really good 262 book by Colin Heaton where he compiles all his interviews from US, Brit, and German interviewees about the plane. The book painted a complete picture, all the way from the 262 cockpit controls to US policy in dealing with the plane. One of the things that the book mentioned in a interview with Doolittle was that US congress was very nearly about to stop the day-time bombing raids. The 262 made quite an impact on US casualties. But I wouldn't call it the greatest aircraft of all time. To me the DC-3 would be more fitting.>>65061657The majority of 262 combat losses were from US aircraft camping the German airfields, not from any kind of impressive aerial combat. The only decent way the allied planes could even attempt to kill them is if they were landing or taking off. That's why late-war German airfields moved almost every other week. You can imagine what that did to logistics. 262 tactics were very specific and utilized the plane's advantages. They fly a horizontal sine wave for the attack. They either attack while climbing or decending. But it's essentially just a hit and run. They didn't hang around and dogfight. The tactic was horrendous on bomber formations. The 30mm cannon was perfect for this. It only took 3 or 4 rounds to separate a B-17 wing from the fuselage. You're hating on the 262, but the US modeled their post-war interceptors on the idealogy behind the 262. Speed > maneuverability. Think about the F-104 and F-102.
Lol nope.It's not even close.
>>65062450Right arm of the free world.
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>>65062482I wrote and drew a manga once about American and Japanese pilots in F-4s fighting off an alien invasion.
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The P-40 has some of the coolest nose art imo.
>>65062447Me 262 was incredible and amazing for its time.Problem with its actual service history, is that by the time operationally deployed 1944 Germany was in big trouble logistically, mostly in the manufacture and production of the brand-new powerplants Jumo 004 that required not only thorough manufacturing tolerances but even more critically, rare materials that were in short supply. If ? Germany's industies especially the engine manufacturers were able to get reliable powerplants built a year or two earlier, or the war had gone on longer duration/Germany hadn't become so logistically and resource-stressed due to the conflict, the Me 262's combat reliability and deployment might have turned out differently.
>>65062477Great pic
>>65061684CO2 fired floatation device.
>>65061315move aside
>>65061684it holds snacks since there are no stewardesses
>>65061315/k/id word
>>65062444>P-38
>>65063665Without giving anything but yes to that, people tend to forget about that phatass Jug
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>>65062444I CANT TURN! P-38 had good range but it’s a cope to say it was a good dogfighter in Europe.
>>65061376No other airplane was even near being such an inspiration for countless SF designs, comics, anime and movies. In terms of air-frames, F-14 and Mi-24 ware the most inspiring designs in the history of aviation. I case my rest.
>>65064088>copeDumbass, they beat P51's to Berlin and the krauts dubbed it "Fork Tailed Devil" in 1943 for a reason.
>>65064088>to saychecked, I *never said that* but since you trolled it up 1) by mid-1944 when the L variant that solved all of the high altitude issues of previous versions and had boosted controls was in production, executive decision had already been made to make the P-51 USAAF's bomber escort fighter of the Eighth and the Lightning remained in strong demand in the Pacific until end of the war, and 2) the P-38 was an excellent dogfighter *everywhere* in the Pacific and Europe throughout the war, could turn and roll with the best Allied and Axis fighters of 1945 but it was bigger heavier and more complex than its contemporaries so, to 'dogfight' with it you also had to have proficiency not only with its controls, stick, throttle, fuel mixture, flaps, propellers, two separate engines etc. as pilot but also its size and mass. Be able to use its maneuvering energy and advantages tactically (as is true for any fighter airplane) and optimally. This learning curve required time and training; also the P-38, especially later variants were not the single seat fighter that a rookie USAAF pilot just off a T-6 could hop right into, they needed multiengine proficiency at bare minimum. It wasn't like flying a P-40 or P-51, there was more to it. Formidable machine if you were a competent well trained enthusiastic pilot.3) (You) stole my FJ-4 pic
