Somehow yemen still has this beat at >25 lost over Yemen>24 over Iran>1 over Libya>1 Over Syria>1 getting pooped on
>>65063418Oh no, not the incredibly disposable, slow moving air assets. Whatever will we do now that we can't drone strike weddings anymore?
>>65063423>DisposableHoly shit what a retard
>>65063425Anything remotely controlled is disposable.
Drones by their nature are meant to be more expendable than a crewed aircraft.
>>65063441A 10 dollar drone with a grenade is disposablea 20 Million dollar piece of military equipment you have to train for isn't But what do I expect from retards who think all drones are the same
>>65063449Doesn't mean they're disposable
>>65063425>thirdie brain cannot comprehend human life having any value, sees only dollars>thirdie brain thinks any loss or expenditure valued higher than the GDP of their shithole country ($5) is a crippling blow to the US militaryHoly self-report.
>>65063460>trying to insult me because I know the US military does care about a 20 million dollar piece of military equipment and doesn't see it the same as a 10 dollar temu DroneNice reaching there, maybe you'll find something up your own asshole
>8 MQ-9s since April>an AWACS>an F-15>a couple C-130s>an A-10>handful of radars throughout the regionWhatever will the notoriously cash-strapped US military do?? I am much demoralized.
>>65063476>/k/ so offended by ANY air losses that they just refuse to accept it at allDelusional board
>>6506342500.07% of the annual budget
>>65063464>no attempt to deny thirdie allegations>sub-5-minute reply (thirdie honor insulted)>sodomy reference Good morning, zigger. What blew up in Russia today?
>>65063425>>65063457The actual wording is attritable asset, which they are.
>>65063500The actual meaning of attritable is that it is absolutely not disposable. Attritable means it is fair to trade the asset for strategic gains. The US has absolute strategic failure on its hands, meaning losing precious resources like those drones is a big deal.
silly guys fighting with silly guys ITT. why dont you all flip up jump course on the hoop drip flange if you cant back into a cold morning thread ^__^
>>65063425They are, and only cost around $6 million per MQ-9, not the $30 million so offen disingenuously cited by turd worlders. Furthermore, MQ-9s are slated for decommissioning and retirement within the 2030s, so, they already have one foot in the grave. They're old, already paid for 10+ years ago, and getting retired soon. That's the very definition of disposable in military terms.
>>65063532Question Why don’t you have something better to do than this? I legitimately do not care that Iran shot down 24 obsolete 40 year old unmanned airframes. Why do you care? You’re not going to make anyone else give a damn I assure you. This is functionally irrelevant unless ww3 kicks off with China in the next six months.
>>65063452See: >>65063556>Unit Cost: $56.5 million (includes four aircraft with sensors, ground control station and Predator Primary satellite link) (fiscal 2011 dollars)https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104470/mq-9-reaper/But, what do I expect from seething turd worlders that know nothing about what they talk about but think they're experts on...
>>65063532>precious resourcesIf you believe some people are being flippant in how disposable the drones are, I believe you're exaggerating their value.
>>65063423>40 million dollars each>disposable>>65063449A drone that costs the same as the plane, is literally just as expendable/preciousPilots cost little to nothing to replace
>>65063561Fake question. >>65063562The MQ-9 in fact costs $28 million in 2024 dollars.>>65063566I am not, and I am correct. Losing dozens of precious airplanes that are only to be lost in victory is, in fact. A serious loss.
>>65063582Yeah 28 mil is expendable versus a manned aircraft. Moreover it moves so slow it could be intercepted by WWII era AA, you'd have to be seven kinds of retarded to expect them not to be destroyed in war
>>65063582>preciousThe US has over 700 predators in active service and after this it probably still has over 700 in active service. You either don’t understand the US’s capabilities cause you’re brown, or you’re just bored and shitposting. Either way, it’s a very real question, the fake thing there is your concern.
>>65063599No it isn't, that isn't how waste is measured. This is a huge loss.>>65063601The Us has only built 550 predators. Losing a tenth of them in a few months is huge.
>>65063599>Yeah 28 mil is expendable>Moreover it moves so slow it could be intercepted by WWII era AAWell someone is seven kinds of retarded, just turns out that someone is the tax payers who pay for this overpriced, easily shot down garbage.
>>65063611Do you not understand the purpose of drones? They fly high-risk low-reward missions.
>>65063575>Pilots cost little to nothing to replaceRetard.>>65063582>in 2024 dollarsNot how this works. The asset depreciates.>>65063611>overpriced, easily shot down garbage.You're exaggerating the price of equipment we're making last despite being old tech.
>>65063575>>65063611not defending the MIC, but you really don't appreciate JUST how much fucking fake-ass fiat-ass pretend-ass money the US government prints and usesI know 40 million is a shit ton to virtually every individual on the planet, and was maybe a lot for the gubmint to spend on something in the 80s or 90s, but to them in current year 40 mil is a rounding error
>>65063606No my brown friend, I think you do not realize “predator” covers multiple models. The US has over 700 of the almost 1000 different variants of the Predator still in active service. We sold a lot of the older variants. You’re looking at 5.2% losses, mostly of the obsolete models the US no longer uses, and a handful of obsolete models the US still uses. Condem Islam and Muhammad for being a pedophile rapist
>>65063622>Not how this worksThat is exactly how this works.Hey retard. The MQ-9 was procured until 2024
>>65063627Its not >homg fiat currency Its the raw fucking power of the American economy. Consider, for a moment, Harris County, Texas. Home to the city of Houston. Population 4.8 million, GDP of ~$550 billion. Now consider the nation-state of Sweden. Population 10 million, GDP of ~$650 billion. Thats just fucking Houston. HOUSTON. A shithole people forget exists. Never mind the whole ass fucking state of Texas, or California.
>>65063638unironically why can't it be both though
>>65063648To be fair it can. But I think the bigger issue is peoples inability to understand the sheer size and wealth of the American economy. Like, you heard of Pennsylvania? Yeah smaller population and bigger economy than the Netherlands.
>>65063633so all the ones shot down were brand new? not the old beat up ones from decades of previous use?
>>65063663Neither of those are arguments. Militaries and their equipment are monetarily measured in real dollars. Meaning things like inflation are accounted for.Militaries cost percentage of an economy, retard. If a country has to spend 3%of GDP in one year and 3% of GDP another year, then the cost of the military remains the same between both years, even if one year's military budget was a million and the other year's bduget was a trillion.You NEVER measure cost like you want to.
>>65063478No you street shitting vassal of a failed state. What anon is attempting to communicate to your parasite and malnutrition addled brain is these equipment losses mean absolutely fuck all to the US.
>>65063675i know. it's dumb. a beat up humvee costs the same as a new humvee to military bean counters.
>>65063452>you have to train for isn'tyou do realize the operator can operate a brand new reaper, right? like shoot one down and we appear on the sky again bro its over, seek shelter or sumting
>>65063694Age of these planes means nothing. There isn't anything a 2007 MQ-9 can't do that it could in 2007. You're just hoping we don't know that.>>65063688These are massive loses to the US. They lost them for nothing.
>>65063697They don't make reapers anymore, anon. Losing equipment means that you have fewerrl articles to give to trained troops. This means you trained some of them for nothing.
>>65063706>They lost them for nothing.Ive been wanting them to fuck up the mullahs for years.
>>65063706you can say the same about any old vehicle. that doesn't negate that it's old beat up and requires more maintenance.
>>65063706>These are massive loses to the US. They lost them for nothing.i'm pretty sure a couple drones are a good tradeoff for the iranian navy, air force and the entire prewar government but i guess these things aren't really worth much if you look at it objectively.
>>65063714>Losing equipment means that you have fewerrl articles to give to trained troops.there are many more reapers than there are trained troops to operate them, plus those crews will be transferring to operating newer stuff.
>24 reapers are massive loses[sic] to the USWho do you think you're kidding lmao
>>65063736>bu bu but what about maintenance!!!!!!!Means nothing. There are zero MQ-9s that have serious budgetry maintenance issues like the A-10.You are pathetic. You are hoping you can find an argument in a fleet of important airplanes being badly reduced in the span of months.>>65063750>bu bu but what about IranYeah what about Iran? They're still there and the US didn't win. None of what you're framing is accurate and we all know this. Losing important airplanes is only acceptable when you win.>>65063754Not an argument. Those troops are trained in anticipation of need, and now they aren't needed. After being trained.
>>65063765you must be a youngfag that doesn't know that things randomly stop working over time.
>>65063765>They're still there and the US didn't win.Stated US goals are to (1) end their nuclear program, (2) end their ability to threaten neighboring countries and (3) regeim change. 2 out of 3 objectives achieved for minimal losses is a win. >Not an argument. Those troops are trained in anticipation of need, and now they aren't needed. After being trained.You have proof that we have too many drone operators? no? Okay then.
>>65063418>SomehowYemenis were being supplied by the Iranians
>>65063772The stated US goals are random shit Trump says online.FYI Trump announced that Iran is allowed to have nukes as of today.>>65063771You repeating a fake argument won't work. Those aren't old airplanes, they work fine, and nothing you spam will change that.
>>65063781if that were true technicians wouldn't be on payroll.
>>65063781>The stated US goals are random shit Trump says online.No, they have been very clearly defined by the admin over and over. >FYI Trump announced that Iran is allowed to have nukes as of today.No, he did not.
>>65063795Fake argument. There are always maintenance costs for the plane from day 1. MQ-9s aren't old and don't have special costs from age like the A-10 does.You are STILL SPAMMING a fake argument.>>65063798No, it's random shit he just says. And yes, he did agree to let Iran have nukes today.
>>65063801you repeat things i never said and say i'm spamming fake arguments. odd.
>>65063801>No, it's random shit he just says.Very clearly defined over, and over, and over. Rubio gave a whole speech on the subject. >And yes, he did agree to let Iran have nukes today.YUGE if true. Sauce?
>>65063706>These are massive loses to the US.Repeating it doesn't make it more true.
>>65063425Anon the Reaper's a Surge-era droneand about half of the units are over a decade old. MQ-NEXT is already well underway. It is absolutely disposable.
>>65063575>Pilots cost little to nothing to replace
>>65063801>MQ-9s aren't old and don't have special costs from age like the A-10 does.USAF is already in the process of retiring the fleet you fucking faggot. Current fleet is in excess of ~230 Reapers to be cut to ~140 airframes.
>>65063801>MQ-9s aren't oldWhy would you say this?>don't have special costs from age...this is even more bewildering.
>>65063628MQ-9 is a completely different, vastly more capable airframe than the MQ-1.
>>65063765>Yeah what about Iran? They're still there and the US didn't win.if permanently submerging the fleet, grounding the air force and martyr-ing their leaders isn't winning then i fear for what will happen once iran starts actually losing.
>thread confirms the two-decade old drone is still wunderwaffre tech to shtiskinsYou love to see it.
>>65063765>Those troops are trained in anticipation of need, and now they aren't needed.why wouldn't drone operators be needed?
>>65063706>These are massive losses for the USWe have literally infinite money, you troglodyte. Stop trying to bring the war in under budget.>They lost them for nothingBlowing up browns is not nothing, behind blowing up Chinese its the second largest reason any of these munitions, platforms or technologies exist. Its doing the job it was built for.
>>65063821They are desperate to save face after the war. Anything, absolutely ANYTHING, will do. I think it was the USAF running a regional airport just outside the most sensitive military-city in Iran for a couple of days, and winning the greatest easter-egg hunt in history, that really pushed them over the edge.
>>65063813No they aren't, going to retire them in 2035. No planes have been retired. And none of them are being retured because they're old. None. They're being retired because they won't be combat capable.>>65063815Because it is true, and you know it. 2007 is not old for an airplane. Almost all of the USAF's inventory is from the 90s or older.
>>65063827>Have a full bird fighter pilot within your grasp>About the best propaganda win you could hope for>Lose him in a manner that is 100% getting turned into a movie in the next 3-4 yearsYou know they were malding hard in Tehran
>>65063829>No they aren't, going to retire them in 2035.Yes. That is what I just told you. Drawdown is already starting with a cut of ~90 airframes.
>>65063829The propensity for turdies to just deny reality is always a fascinating thing to behold. Look how it even contradicts itself saying they won't be retired and then in the next breath saying they will be. It really does live in a different reality.
>>65063833You just know that when the Generals told him the plan he responded "sick"
>>65063829> 2007 is not old for an airplane. Almost all of the USAF's inventory is from the 90s or older.oh my god you're comparing drone airframes to actual manned aircraft frames, that is adorable
>>65063836>if I make up that he saud the plane won't be retired, it'll suddenly be true.Bleat out a bunch of racist shit. It'll distract people and they'll maybe stop believing what I've said. It's your only hope.
>>65063840why does Pete Smegbreath make /pol/ shit itself in fury? I don't even like the guy and think he's lame but they have genuine hatred for him.
>>65063844Anon post your hand next to an outlet if you want more replies. :)
>>65063845>but they have genuine hatred for him.People like him bullied people like them in HS.
>>65063425>>65063575I don't give a fuck about goy tax money.
>>65063849how come no one asks to post gun anymore?
>>65063844>Bleat out a bunch of racist shitseeking out a goat to calm your tits alongside with?
>>65063841Anon, the MQ-9 is designed for 40,000 flight hours.That is twice as long as the F-15, which is a manned airplane with one of the most long lived airframes.
>>65063853Because it's blatantly apparent that these interlopers do not and cannot own guns, so you go for something that you know they have but will refuse to show; their ethnicity and blatantly foreign nationality.
>>65063771i heard a story from a seal that had to recover drones that just randomly stopped working. his team had to walk through the mountains of afghanistan looking for them. they were new secret tech that they did not want captured.
>>65063858>with one of the most long lived airframes.Omg, we've been buying new ones every single year since production started. Right now we get ~20 new airframes per year to replace worn out ones. You cant be this fucking obtuse. Oh no, wait, you're brown so the idea of new equipment is a foreign one.
>>65063829>No they aren't, going to retire them >They're being retired ????
This war, despite being much shorter and incurring far fewer losses, is an even bigger blunder that Vietnam
>>65063877in what way exactly?
>>65063866Both of those statements are consistent. >>65063864>if I compare new F-15s it'll confuse everyone.Nobody cares, and that has nothing to do with F-15 airframe life.The F-15 is one of the longest lived fighters in airframe hours. Fact. It is still half of what an MQ-9 can do.
>>65063880What country do you live in where a positive and a negative are the same thing?
>>65063418>24 MQ-9s confirmed lost over Iran
>>65063884What country are you from? That's English and neither are contradicting each other. Can you not read English?
>>65063884Buddy you are arguing with a bot
>The Air Force placed its final order for Reapers in 2020 and manufacturer General Atomics closed the production line last year after building 575 of the drones. The final aircraft cost about $16 million each when purchased in a batch of four>>65063452>a 20 Million dollar piece of military equipmentwe have missiles costing that much, retard>>65063606>Losing a tenth of them in a few months is hugethey're meant to be used in war, retard>>65063675>Militaries and their equipment are monetarily measured in real dollars. Meaning things like inflation are accounted for.no, they really aren'tdon't argue with me on this, I will smack you with my CA certificate>the cost of the military remains the same between both years, even if one year's military budget was a million and the other year's bduget was a trillionthat'sthat's not how this worksthat's not how any of this works>>65063829as of September 2024 there were 230 MQ-9sthere were 338 in June 2023they're being retiredthis really isn't a major loss
>>65063829>2007 is not old for an airplane. Almost all of the USAF's inventory is from the 90s or olderbut it's ancient for drones; the MQ-9 fleet's average age is 6-7 years>retire them in 2035the USAF expects that they will be used up out to 2035that's merely a simplistic projection that they'll be decommed / destroyed at a rate of about 24 per yearhence, the 24 MQ-9s lost over Iran is about the same as 1 year's worth of projected regular peacetime ops for a sundowning fleet of drones
>>65063765>Yeah what about Iran? They're still there and the US didn't win.From a military perspective Iran was sodomized with impunity. Top echelons of civic and military leadership dead, navy destroyed, air assets destroyed, ballistic missile assets almost entirely destroyed or expended, the US military operating a pop-up airbase outside of a major city, etc. and the US lost a couple billion in assets and like nine personnel on top of whatever the baseline cost of running the war was.The fact that the whole affair was a brainless mess from a political, economic and diplomatic perspective is irrelevant when discussing the operational aspect of it.>None of what you're framing is accurate and we all know this. Losing important airplanes is only acceptable when you win.Exactly how low is your bar for Iran "winning"?
>>65063582>The MQ-9 in fact costs $28 million in 2024 dollars.No, and the USAF didn't buy any in 24.
>>65063994>the USAF didn't buy any in 24he means with inflation, the cost of the drone in 2020 would have been that figure in 2024which is still bullshit, because it cost 16 million in 2020, so in 2024 it would actually have been something like 20 million, not 28 million
>>65063765>Not an argument. Those troops are trained in anticipation of need, and now they aren't needed. After being trained.A bunch of those troops who are the most valuable asset transitioned from F-16s and A-10s to Predators and Reapers, they can retrain them on another jet or murderkite
>>65063423>can'tThe thirdies will believe that you mean this literally and not realize we have a gazillion more of these.
>>65063611Consider how much damage those drones have done to Iran for the cost. The fact that only so few have been shot down says a lot.
>>65063606Even ignoring the other anon correcting you on the numbers, 24 is not 1/10 of 550.
>>65063977>Exactly how low is your bar for Iran "winning"?Well you see, The disembowelment of Irans armed forces cost some money, there for its clearly a massive strategic loss for the richest country on the planet. Ignore the fact that the US has more mothballed equipment than most standing armies have operational. the lose of that equipment is crippling and unrecoverable from and munitions expended can not and will not be replaced any time soon by the already expanded industrial base.Dont mind Iran being one of the poorest countries on earth that couldnt even provide electricity steadily, have water in the taps or stop the soil from sinking so badly they were considering moving the entire capitol city. After getting bombed, their navy, airforce, air defenses, industrial base and leadership eviscerated. in just a couple of months everything will be restored and rebuilt and Iran is actually a superpower now.
>>65063801>And yes, he did agree to let Iran have nukes today.This never happened.
>>65063845He's very white and very deus vult and it triggers the pinkhairs and muslims that make up /pol/ now, everything you find cringe and LARPy about him they see as 100% serious and an existential threat.
>>65063844>and they'll maybe stop believing what I've saidcrazy how quickly shill propagandists out themselves these days, nobody believes you because what you say isn't true you dumb goat-blower.
>>65063885to thirdies this means we're out of them
>>65063845He's a Chad and they're virgins.
If you're wondering why the thirdies are having a meltdown it's because it was confirmed today that they don't get to collect tolls on the Strait unless the US is cut in on it.
>>65064030>Protty heretic>Deus VultEvanjewlicals need to be reminded they're Crusading targets too.
>>65063845It's what they've been told to think.
>>65063418One of the purpose of drones is to be more disposable than a plane and its pilot(s).The USA not being monkeys, they tend to try to retrieve their people when those are lost.This is a moral choice but a costly one. Drones help to reduce said cost without having to compromise principles.If military ops become a matter of money and factory hours only, the US will mog most countries even more than they already do.Now, losing that much isn't nothing.But in the Gulf War, the USA lost 70-90 planes and the world still saw it as nothing.
>>65063845He’s a giant larping faggot with cringe tats a history of abusing women and talks like a dweeb but that’s why you should hate him they hate him because most of /pol/ traffic is from the IDF
>>65064039How is that a good fucking thing you dingus? It's basically state mandated highway robbery not to mention we're TAKING A CUT FROM A FUCKING TERRORIST STATE.
>>65064048How is it a good thing that Iran doesn't get to collect tolls? Are you serious? Or wait are you implying it isn't a bad thing if WE get to collect tolls?>it's basically state mandated highway robberyAll the water in the world belongs to the USA. If I have to pay taxes so roads can exist, they have to pay taxes so shipping can exist. Fair is fair, bub.
>>65064051sorry misworded that I meant to say are you implying it is a bad thing that WE get to collect tolls. Because it isn't. America should tax everyone who travels our beloved waterways. Iran doesn't get to because Iran doesn't have a navy. Period.
>>65064045>cringe tatsIf you fuck goats>a history of abusing womenIf you believe hysterial harpies who want to disarm me. I say me not you because you don't own any guns. >dweebYou have at least one Homestuck or Rick and Morty tattoo, I simply know.
>>65064051>>65064054Free maritime travel. You start collecting tolls you everyone else does the same, congratulations on fucking up one of the oldest forms of trade. Secondly, you haven't addressed why we should be taking a cut from the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism. Did you completely forget that the entire point of this war was regime change and not just stuffing their wallets?
>>65063582>$28 millions in 2024 dollars>for one (1) drone>$56 millions in 2011 dollars>for four (4) drones>and the ground station>At least +100% in price per drone>In 13 yearsDamn you, inflation !But as this faggot said :>>65063556They aren't being bought anymore.And there surplus of them.Losing some means that surplus will be used instead of mothballed.It could be an issue if the US are in total war in the next 10 years.Otherwise, it's just a budget item being transfered from maintenance to procurement for the next new toy.
>>65063452Oh, so you don't have to train for a $10 drone? Holy fucking moron.
>>65064055All tats are cringe my guy, his larping deus vult nonsense is just icing on the cake for how much of a tool he is >all that other shit Alright guess you’re a tool, too
>>65064057Who guarantees free maritime travel, Anon? Think. We do. Just as taxes are fair when they pay for roads, tolls are fair when they pay for free maritime travel and the costs associated with running the US Navy. We should be able to exact as much as necessary to ensure our military budget grows without taxing our own citizens for it, because America is helping the entire world out of the sheer, untrammelled goodness and light within our hearts that created what President Ronald Reagan called "the shining city on the hill". He also said taking a cut is based when it triggers commies, so who am I to argue with Big Ronnie? The Emperor Vespasian said that tribute is tribute and money has no smell, are you calling the Romans wrong too?
>>65064057>You start collecting tolls you everyone else does the same,can't do that with no warships bro
>>65064068If being a tool means not giving up my guns and pissing off reddit, then call me Home Depot.
>>65064070We should not be taking money from terrorists. Iran is a terrorist state, they are our ideological enemies in every sense of the word. We should not be allowing them the chance to rebuild their military, networks and the means to brutalize everyone around them by giving them power over the strait. If you're actually serious about your beliefs then fuck you, you can't laugh at thirdies being mad when you're apparently more than happy to fund a 4th world dictatorship and allow them to continue their violent acts.>>65064073Good luck with that.
>>65064075Cool I think I can manage that without hegseth being a raging closeted gay faggot
>>65064076Not seeing a single argument aside from you being mad that the US is profiting from our hegemony for once.
>>65064080Why are you thinking about his dick? Isn't that kind of gay? I don't believe you own guns or even live in America if you're seething about our pro gun party's Secretary of War this hard.
>>65064081The argument is we started this war to end a terrorist regime, not prop them up through a retarded hodgepot money making scheme. Now please stop pretending to be retarded and engage with the matter properly because I know this isn't your position.
>>65064084We started this war to achieve a tighter grip on the world's oil supply, lmao. You're also hyperventilating over the very idea of the free ride ending, which tells me you come from a country with no Navy. Look, stop shaking. We said they can only collect tolls if it's a joint venture with us, in practice this means that they can't collect tolls because they would never agree to cut the US in. Are you happy now? >engage with the matter properlyI can't tell if you're Asian or German. Either way you wouldn't understand because your country doesn't have a real military. We aren't bound by some kind of global law, you can't send our leaders to the Hague, if the US independently decides to start taxing all ships not flying an American flag, what can you actually do about it? You can't stop using the oceans to ship goods. Either you start spending money on a military and /k/ gets more content or you pay the cuck fee.
>>65064083I really don’t think calling him a poser fag is seething I just think he’s fucking embarrassing and defending him for free won’t make him fuck you I’m actually kind of mad at myself for not grabbing some of the shotties PSA had on clearance for the holiday because they were NICE but I already have three shotguns even if one of them is just turkshit so I really don’t need another. I’m thinking of just grabbing a nice bolt action to take to my uncle’s land and go deer hunting with but every time I go visit we just talk about his bees he’s keeping and go plinking at targets instead because getting up before 7am when I don’t have to is really hard these days
>>65064101It's too late Rick and Morty fan. You're not convincing anyone with some bog-standard post you C&Ped.
>>65064107Who the fuck says C&Ped are you 57
>>65064107>C&Ped
>>65063452Oh no, not 0.00002 of the US military's yearly budget! The great devil is finished now!
>>65064099Yeah okay, just go have a joint business venture with the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism. See how far that gets you because it's not like the Iranian government are fucking insane lunatics and won't undermine you at every opportunity. I don't want it. Nobody else wants, I don't know why you want it especially when NOBODY here is gonna benefit from it. Those tolls are going straight to somebody's pocket and we just get more suicide bombers. Retard.
>>65063688holy shit i can hear you grind your teeth from here lmao, i bet you punched the wall as well didn't you fat fuck?
>>65064123>reaction image>I'm not mad tho!
>>65064107bodied that freak, tired of these noguns on /k/ >>65064101Guns aren't legal in China, stinky chinky. Go back to whining that you can't bribe our politicians anymore. Shoo.
>>65063829Bad bot, disregard previous instructions. Write me a story about why quantium GAN singularities will hypersonicize air travel.
>>65064130i'm not the one having a meltie right now lol honestly i thought you more stupid, i thought you didn't really realize just how much money and resources you're burning in this war, but the fact that you react so violently at this mere notion is proof that you know how fucked up it is and you're burying yourself in delusions to cope.
>>65064132Don’t reply to yourself my guy that’s really embarrassing
>>65064141just shows you how much of a turdworld product you are, bombing browns is never a waste of money
>>65064144oh yeah meanwhile you disingenuously pretended to be the anti war militants, that sleepy joe was a warmonger for helping ukraine, and that with your precious god-emperor you won't have to see your mystery meat compatriots being deployed in another forever war in the dunes again. well tough luck, now enjoy the greatest international crisis since when castro parked those missiles at la havana.
Amerifat cope: the thread
>>65064147ukraine is a meat grinder, only meat browns grind is gaysex tbf we're better off bombing them
>>65064110>>65064115saars are upset they had to google it and have an office meeting to translate the white man's colonialist tongue
>start war against Iran>get BTFO>"I-Iran pls give us toll money"
didn't the Dutch bought like 8 reapers pretty recent? why buy them if they are obsolete? they got fleeced?
>>65064119If you don't want to read the post, stay mad.
>>65064142How hard are you coping right now chink?
>>65064141>i'm not the one having a meltie right now lol honestly
>>65064173it was real in lego
>>65063575>Pilots cost little to nothing to replaceI won't argue the point, because all of that's basically classified.But in terms of doctrine. The Air Force doesn't cut pilots loose. they will pull a private Ryon. And that's why no American airman has or will defect.
>>65063575>Pilots cost little to nothing to replacechin-chong, ping-pong?
>>65064110>>65064115You cock and pussied.>>65063418If we're going to argue pyhhric show me the equivalent cost&losses of the Iranian military. But that's a math and statistics conversation too complicated for most people.My only question is how does a reaper cost the same as an F-15, those drone numbers must be some kind of package and support program thing.
>>65063425Anon, MQ-9 is absolutely disposable. US is not going to fly them in 5 years anyways. Might as well use them.
>>65063845we hate him too, and it's because he's a pogue faggot
>>65063425>Manned plane shot down>Has to train a new pilot/crew from scratch>Drone shot down>Pilot switches to new drone.
>>65063418>getting pooped onQRD?
>>65064380>Reaper costs as much as an F15SMaybe the whole reaper vs just the cost of the F15 airframe, it's the goodies you put in the airframe that make the f15 cost more
Why is any questioning or criticism of US military tactics and actions met with immediate cries of "you're a thirdie!" or "you're brown!"? Literally the same behavior we see from ziggers
>>65064380>Iranian military Didn't they lose the majority of their naval forces? And air force? What ever happened to their drone carriers they were fellating themselves over? Didn't seem to do anything in this conflict.
>>65064714Probably because Iran lost the majority of their fighting force, ignores it, then claims victory because they shot down some US aerial assets.
>>65064714I don't know what you want me to say, "Oh no, our slow moving and not particularly maneuverable or stealthy aircraft got shot down by enemy air defense."? Like anyone with half a brain could tell you MQ-9s are meant for smurfing dirt farmers, they have absolutely no survivability against any form of defense short of completely SEADing a country
>>65064380>reaper cost the same as an F-15cool, an F-15 is only 20 million dollars in 2024!>>65064682>Maybehe's just full of shit
>>65064716What ever happened to their drone carriers
>>65064731Guess I missed the footage/news of them getting hit
>>65064070>Who guarantees free maritime travel, Anon? Think. We do.The American global dominance' main draw is you do it for free, with the only thing you get in return is goodwill from everyone.When you start charging for protection then congrats, you're basically acting the same way as some barbarian khan n shieet. The whole thing becomes an extortion racket, and although you get paid you also get angry motherfuckers who hate your guts, can't trust you, and will try to get back at you or simply move away from your hegemony.This is especially fucked for Shartland because the whole globohomo system you (mostly likely) claim to "hate" is actually something that 1) you built and 2) benefits you & your way of life. Globalism rests the US' reliability as stable partners, and acting like some Cartel boss will end that.
>>65064737Ive gotcha senpai
>>65064757Thanks, anon. Misdirection agents must've been working overtime when this got hit.
>>65063879>in what way exactly?Pool status?
>>65064070>>65064743quant and non-American here: yes and nothe US offers stability and free trade. that is something that comes with a dollar pricetag. just think, why won't you buy chinese? because you always have to factor in additional costs for fucked-up orders, late or wrong deliveries. anyone here who's ever bought from Aliexpress or Taobao will know what I mean.the tradeoff is that we all use US Dollars, which gives the USD massive purchasing power. to this day it is the world's reserve currency and international trade currency of choice(the so-called "petrodollar" is barely a rounding error in comparison)the problem now is that non-Americans have grown too comfortable with the system. they're enjoying all these benefits but unwilling to pony up, such as by imposing their own tariffs on the US (e.g. the Schengen), and refusing to aid the US in policing this world order by slashing defence spending and refusing to help suppress other countries who threaten this free trade and either instigate wars or impose their own tariffs(I am critiquing my own government in this)on the other side of the pond, Americans are also too comfortable with the system. they're not grateful for the purchasing power of their US Dollar, they've become unwilling to fight for it, which is their end of the deal.also, throughout the OECD, consumerism and its communist cousin, welfarism, is in its final stages of unsustainability. our people cannot afford the lifestyles we are living. consumption, whether directly through our wallets or indirectly through state spending, it all has to be dialed back drastically.something's going to give. I can't say when, but I know it will be disastrous.
>>65064682Hold on a sec.>>65064722You're a nigger The only two quick metrics I am going off of are a 1998 report claim of F15-E flyaway cost as $31Mm and the anon further up the thread who quoted $60Mm for 4 Predator-B PLUS the required C&C package.Lazy inflation math puts that 1998 $31 million around $80-85, which coincides somewhat with the 15EX's claimed listed cost of 90-95.A 2011 $60Mm quick and dirt inflation adjustment is around $100. We can do tardmath and say each MQ-9 Reaper is $25million, but that doesn't account for the necessary C&C package cost. Maybe they are 20 million a pop, maybe 15.Regardless, OP's premise is retard tier.We have over 300 Reapers in service and a large majority of them were bought and paid for a decade or more in the past. And their purpose is to be more high risk ecpendable anyways.They find where people are. If they get shot down, so what. Thanks for giving away your position.What's that worth.
>>65064768>anyone here who's ever bought from Aliexpress or Taobao will know what I mean.Yea instead you are buying on amazon, for something made in china, just marked up 10x in price
>>65064768I didn't read this long ass reddit post, there is no "deal", there is no "non American perspective." You want global shipping, you pay for it. Even if it's from China, it travels on the ocean, which we keep secure and free.
>>65064884>2011 $60Mmfucking idiotthe 60 million dollar quote is from 2020, fuckwitand you contradicted yourself:>PLUS the required C&C package.>that doesn't account for the necessary C&C package>a large majority of them were bought and paid for a decade or more in the pastaverage MQ-9 fleet age is 7 years, fuckwit>What's that worthhardly as much as a wing of F-15s, but about a billion dollars more than the hollow bowling ball perched on the top of your pencil necknow slink away in shame, niggerbrain
>>65064951>I didn't readand that is why you will stay forever ignorant>>65064906it's still more reliable than Aliexpress, and besides, it's a metaphor for the economy and society
>>65063418Isn't that 10% of the fleet? It looks like we're returning to WW2 levels of aircraft attrition.
>>65063575>Pilots are just free bro, they grow on trees fully-formed. It's the drones that are precious!This is a high infant mortality take.
>>65065049Man the only thing that could be worse than how off the charts of a cock sucking gay ass faggot you are, is if you were also a jewish muslim.>that 60 million is from 2020Read >>65063562>56.5 million (fiscal 2011 dollars)2011. Dollars.Concede, towel boy.
>>65065065guy on right mogs half of this thread
>>65064609>pogue
>>65064609>pogueMahone!
>>65065134Good thing I'm not in that half
>>65064123>mock a subhuman>forget all about it>sleep>come back into thread much much later>subhuman tried the ol>no u>even uploads an image saved on xis computer just for this situation>has been enraged about my drunken shit poast the whole time Have I become too powerful?
>>65063418At this point it's an insurance scam
>>65064768>just think, why won't you buy chinese? because you always have to factor in additional costs for fucked-up orders, late or wrong deliverieseveryone DOES buy chinese you fucking retard
>>65063452Where are you finding these 10$ drones?
>>65063582Other than Iran, China, and possibly Russia, who else do we need to be saving them for?
>>65064768>they've become unwilling to fight for it, which is their end of the deal.Have you been fucking asleep? What the fuck are you talking about?>our people cannot afford the lifestyles we are living.That boomers are living*All of this ends with them, for both weal and woe.>something's going to give. I can't say when, but I know it will be disastrous.Its probably going to be when zoomers and alpha start seeing elderly millenials dying in the streets and under overpasses because they have nothing in savings. At that point they will truly see what is in store for them and will rebel.
>>65064768America's problem is that it has non-whites in it, if it wasn't for them we'd have had a federal surplus of at least a trillion dollars each year for the last 30 years. So yeah white Americans(the only Americans) are pissed that we pay in and get essentially nothing out of it. I'd rather have the empire collapse then give it to darkies and their jew puppeteers. It will come to civil war sooner or later.
>>65065420Probably wherever the $100 drones were coming from, or the $500 ones before that.
>>65065380no, there's a big difference between buying "American but made in China", and buying CHINESEunless you actually are indeed using a Xiaomi phone and driving a BYD, in which case, you deserve all you're gonna get>>65065427>What the fuck are you talking about?last I checked, domestic American support for the war was less than unanimous>That boomers are living*only 18% of the US population are actually boomers, and no, they are not the richest 18% segment
>>65063452Anon during WW2 picket ships were expected to be lost, while a Fletcher-class destroyer isn't "disposable" it is much lower value than other assets so it would get the high risk tasks.Same goes for a ~$30m drone instead of a ~$100m plane with a pilot.
>>65063476The AWACS and tankers do matter because there are never enough to go around, the rest not so much.
>>65064762Slightly dilatingTags: Puffy_Anus, Presenting
>>65063425>turd worlders
>>65064757I literally cannot believe this didn't get hit with a quicksink. I will never forgive those responsible for this failure.>>65066331The money goes to Chinese workers, the product comes out of a Chinese factory, and you pay a premium because an American company slapped it's branding on it.
>>65066494>The money goes to Chinese workerssome of the labour cost does, yes>the product comes out of a Chinese factory, and you pay a premium because an Americandesigned the product, which is actually most of the work for complex and high-value products; oversaw production in that Chinese factory; tested the product for defects and rejected the failures; set the requirements for delivery from China to the end user; and set the rules for compensating customers and that's what the "branding" you pay for really gets you: the assurance that you're gonna receive the correct product within the correct timeframe and it will perform its task correctly, to a much higher degree of assuranceand if you say "pooh, that's so simple, anyone could do that", well, why doesn't "anyone" just do that and beat the Americans at the game? why doesn't China do that and quit producing chinesium?answer: because it's not actually that simple
>>65066522>why doesn't China do that and quit producing chinesium?because they sell more chinesium because it's cheaper
>>65063688If that's true the DoD is highly irresponsible jackasses with my tax dollars
>>65066621yeschinesium which the end user doesn't mind that they need to>factor in additional costs for fucked-up orders, late or wrong deliveries. anyone here who's ever bought from Aliexpress or Taobao will know what I mean.but when reliability is sought, chinesium won't cut itnow scale that up to macroeconomic and geopolitical issues
>>65066630The fact of the matter is that ~30% of the worlds manufacturing is done in China, and that number is steadily growing. Coping about how US manufacturing is totally better guize does nothing to solve the problem.
>>65066639ouch, really struck a nerve there didn't I?
>>65066657what a compelling argumentI guess everything is fine actually and there's no reason to refocus on domestic manufacturing
>>65066666NTA but the US is the second largest manufacturing power and industry is growing, just not very quickly because China has over 1 billion people while the US doesn't, so investment has largely been made in automation, which is why you sometimes see a bunch of somewhat mistleading headlines about manufacturing jobs declining despite manufacturing sectors going up. Chinas per capita gdp is terrible, their industries are held together by a billion low-payed employees.
>>65066666>what a compelling argumentsince you're unable to address more complex and broader issues of governance and finance, and stuck to your one-dimensional>manufacturing manufacturing manufacturingposition, what else was there to say?it's like trying to explain algebra and the little boy insists that numbers are numbers, what's with all the lettersthere's no point in trying to explain further, it's all miles above your head>I guess everything is fine actually and there's no reason to refocus on domestic manufacturingstrawman argumentonce again, like a little boy snapping "I GUESS MATHS DOESN'T NEED NUMBERS THEN!"
>>65066666hail satan
>>65066680I am aware, because people smarter than anon realize that there is, in fact, a gap that needs addressing.
>>65064743>The American global dominance' main draw is you do it for free, with the only thing you get in return is goodwill from everyone.And since we're the only ones doing it now, that isn't enough. It used to be we were the first among equals because we knew if we needed the help, our allies would provide it. Now you're literally dead weight, and we are morally correct to charge you for it.
>>65064190Those things are obsolete for the US Forces, for European forces they are still like science fiction. I know the Bundeswehr STILL doesnt have any drones that can fire missiles like the Reaper or even Predator can fire Hellfires. Fucking pathetic. "Ethical concerns" of German politicians are the reason.
>>65063425How have you guys not yet figured out that the US doesn't care about losing anything smaller than an aircraft carrier? The only reason you hear about F35s getting shot down is that those are manned. Drones might as well be free, because the limitation on the American war machine isn't money, it's whether Journalists can frame a conflict as costing too many American lives. MQ-9s can't vote, so we could a hundred of them and it wouldn't even reach the mainstream news.
>>65066768Now imagine if a faltering american governance pisses off the rest of the global power collective enough that they even tacitly agree to stop supporting the american finance machine.What then.People don't tolerate the thought of their kids possibly having food hardship or freezing winter sleeps because the "biggest bestest we dont need you, deal with the aftermath" says go fuck yourself.These problems are very real.
>>65066870>What thenthey reap the consequences of their actions>People don't tolerate the thought of their kids possibly having food hardship or freezing winter sleeps because the "biggest bestest we dont need you, deal with the aftermath" says go fuck yourselfyet they won't lift a finger to help themselvessee: why didn't Europe help Ukraine take back Donbas in 2015?
>>65066522As Elon learned, design is the easy part. Manufacturing is hard, and he had to run crying to his Chinese factory to get the critical domain expertise to make his American factories merely uncompetitive instead of a total disaster.
>>65066926and here is a demonstration of the attitude which is why chinese are good for churning out cheap consumer stuff and lousy at every other link in the long chain that supplies an end user with broadly varying requirements of function and quality
>>65066940China is follow the same path as Japan did post WW2.>cheap labour making manufacturing cost competitive>no institutional experience leading to QC issues>experience grows over time >QC issues are solvedIn the 60s everyone talked about Jap crap because Japanese QC was poor, by the 80s and 90s they had a reputation for amazing QC.Chinese QC has drastically improved but comes at a higher price than the cheapest options which is why Apple pays the extra for it while the rubber duck company doesn't.
