Hoe are you supposed to comunicate to an enemy that you are carrying their civilians and dont have hostile intentions at the moment so they should refrain from hostile action?
>>65064234You can't play "red light green light" in the middle of a battlefield, which is why the German submarines were attacking a British passenger ship in the first place.
>>65064234Back in early WW1, a U-boat would approach civilian ships while surfaced. They would inspect the cargo, give the crew a chance to abandon ship, and then scuttle the vessel. This was essentially following traditional naval prize rules. This was abandoned because the surface just became way too dangerous (and it was kind of slow). >Armed merchant men like Q ships>convoys>air patrol>radarIn this situation, they probably KNEW civilians were around the sub but judged sinking the sub to be more desirable
>>65064234allied forces trying to not be jewish challenge
>>65064274>germans attack civilians>whine when they get shot atThe analogy works.
>>65064234this instance led dönitz to make a no prisoners order for which he nearly got the death sentence.
>>65064281>attack "civillians">"civillian" ship with cannons, AA guns and british troops inside
>>65064234what was the name of the sub or the ship from the story?
>>65064234
>>65065350Laconia Incident, RMS Laconia, serving as an armed merchant cruiser transporting a couple hundred British troops and civilians as well as thousands of Italian POWs sunk by U-156 off the African coast. Only a couple hundred survived.>U-156 was soon crammed above and below decks with nearly 200 survivors, including five women, and had another 200 in tow aboard four lifeboats. At 6 a.m. on 13 September, Hartenstein broadcast an uncoded message in English on the 25 m (82 ft) band to all shipping in the area, giving his position, requesting assistance with the rescue effort, and promising not to attack. It read: "If any ship will assist the shipwrecked Laconia crew I will not attack her, providing I am not being attacked by ship or air force. I picked up 193 men. 4°-53" South, 11°-26" West. – German submarine."[16]>The British in Freetown intercepted this message, but, believing it might be a ruse of war, refused to credit it. Two days later, on 15 September, a message was passed to the Americans that Laconia had been torpedoed and the British merchant ship Empire Haven was en route to pick up survivors. The "poorly composed message" implied that Laconia had only been sunk that day and made no mention that the Germans were involved in a rescue attempt under a cease-fire or that neutral French ships were also en route.[17]>During the night the submarines became separated. On 16 September at 11:25 a.m., U-156 was spotted by an American B-24 Liberator bomber flying from a secret airbase on Ascension. The submarine was travelling with a Red Cross flag draped across her gun deck. Hartenstein signalled to the pilot in both Morse code and English requesting assistance. A British officer also messaged the aircraft: "RAF officer speaking from German submarine, Laconia survivors on board, soldiers, civilians, women, children."[19]>Lieutenant Harden of the United States Army Air Forces notified his base of the situation, and he is ordered to sink the sub.
>>65064234Exactly as Hartenstein of U-156 did. He did everything right insofar as his conduct both as a submarine commander and a moral man>Sights armed merchant vessel and identifies it as such>Sinks it>Surfaces to collect ship name, tonnage, and take on high ranking crew>Realizes there's over 2,000 survivors consisting of Italian POWs, British soldiers, British civilians, and Polish guards>Immediately begins rescue operations in conjunction with fellow submarines and Vichy vessels>Drape sheets and Red Cross flags from periscopes and conning tower>Shoots off unencrypted plain text radio message in English informing British and American forces of the situation, location, and of his intentions to rescue survivors and request for help doing so At that point there's nothing more that can be done.
>>65065374Honestly his mistake was thinking the Bongs and Americans ever gave a fuck about the laws of war, especially at sea and given all the historical evidence that they don't.
>ITT: brown people discover that there's a reason why submarines get to ignore the rules
>>65065408You'd never trust Americans to honor their end of the deal these days huh
Submarines are based
>>65064284Yeah the Laconia order was used a basis in Nuremberg to allege an intent of murder on the part of Dönitz.Which imo mainly failed to the stellar work of his defense attorney Otto Kranzbühler.
>>65065465At no point in this event did the Bongs break any 'laws of war'. They intercepted a message, assumed it might be a trap and then when the aircraft was sighted, an RAF officer tried to prevent the attack. The USAF ordered the American and his aircraft to attack.
>>65065465you and everyone you hold dear should be warcrimed
>>65065361Except for the single misspelling, the cadence and vocabulary of OP's question are perfect; much more than a typical ESL post.Projective avatar posting may be the worst form of posting on 4chan now.
>>65067771>single
>>65065361OP's post isn't ESL coded, it's something far worse, phone posting core.All issues are classic auto correct mistakes, even the don't.>t. Vile phone poster
>>65065374Okay yeah that's pretty bad lmao, burgers fucked up hard here
>>65067162That and he pointed out that Americans sank merchant ships without warning or picking up survivors afterwards, too. Testified by no other than Chester W. Nimitz. Obviously they did not want to imprison Nimitz....
>>65067870>Posts B-24 baitUhhhh anon...
>red cross>ORANGE comnat identification markingsI starting to nootice a pattern here
>>65067901>classic auto correct mistake>comunicatewhat fucking autocorrect are YOU using?
>>65065374>Lieutenant Harden of the United States Army Air Forces notified his base of the situation, and he is ordered to sink the sub.Didn't the bomber crews get medals for this?
>>65066177ever*
>>65067870>OH LOOK A TARGET>*BOMBS AWAY*
>>65067918It gets worse >According to Harden's report, he made four runs at the submarine. On the first three the depth charges and bombs failed to release, on the fourth he dropped two bombs. The crew of the Liberator were later awarded medals for the alleged sinking ofU-156, when they had in fact only sunk two lifeboats.
>>65067870>putting a crosshair on your vehicleDo MEDEVACoids really?
