Strange guns, munitions, vehicles and whatnot that were adopted into service>Mark 18 hand cranked grenade launcher
One of my favorite and most brute force methods of providing fire support
Imagine debating over whether the Sherman was a deathtrap or how good the Lee was when we also made these things
>>65065568pure sovl thoug->hull machine guns are .30 calo-oh yea ..it's garbageSADanyways: have picrel in return
the baka bratwurst
Finland makes funny howitzers with built in diesel engines so they can drive short distances
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>>65065664I know it's just being displayed for the public, but I choose to believe that a conscript drove the howitzer home to grab lunch and I will not be convinced otherwise.
>>65065542> OPs weapon
>>65065664that's not super unusual, the cold war contemporary of the M198, the FH70 also had a small engine for short range relocation without a tow vehicle.
>>65065907The Karl-Gerats were also self-propelled, though only useful for short distances given how heavy the vehicle was. They took them apart to move them any sort of significant distance.
>>65065542Sauterelle crossbow chucking grenades, saw actual combat
>"oh no advancements in tank development has left my 37mm AT underpowered">enter the 6.5" AT rifle grenade
>>65066059And then the sequel ramped it up to 300mm
During WWI the British issued Paradox guns made by Holland & Holland--fine side-by-side shotguns with rifled chokes optimized for shooting slugs, specifically for the purpose of shooting down zeppelins. They had special incendiary shells meant for this purpose.
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Ye Olde M203.
>>65066019fully self propelled are a completely different story, in the case of those two clearly towed howitzers they're special because they still contain autxillary propulsion
>>65066034thought this was a indoor bicycle at first
>>65066115I see what you mean now, you're not towing a Karl without taking it apart and putting it on road trailers. The only way it's moving when assembled is under its own power.
>>65066064how is that a paradox?
>>65065664they also have (had?) this hand-towed wheeled recoilless rifle nicknamed musti:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/95_S_58-61 the finnish reserve infantry in wargame red dragon has these as its anti-tank weapon. they also get sako m/39 mosin nagants. in the 90s.
>>65066134yes, that's the difference between self propelled and towed artillery. now you're getting it.
>>65066143I thought you were simply talking about artillery whose self-propulsion sucked. Some self-propelled artillery is very mobile.pic unrelated, but an odd weapon that was for a time issued by the British Royal Navy.
>>65066136nvmd i just googled it allows for shooting both slugs and normal
>>65066136"Paradox" was the name that Holland & Holland used for their guns of that type. It's a model name, like a Colt "Python". Other makers called their ball-and-shot guns different names. Westley Richards called theirs the "Explora". It's interesting because these were really expensive sporting guns, not your usual military issue.Though, now that I mention it there are other examples of this. They also used dangerous game rifles to defeat trench armor.>In 1914 and early 1915, German snipers were engaging British Army positions with impunity from behind steel plates that were impervious to .303 British ball ammunition. In an attempt to counter this threat, the British War Office purchased sixty-two large-bore sporting rifles from British rifle makers, including four .600 Nitro Express rifles, which were issued to regiments. These large-bore rifles proved very effective against the steel plates used by the Germans. In his book, Sniping in France 1914-18, Major H. Hesketh-Prichard, DSO, MC stated they "pierced them like butter".>Stuart Cloete, sniping officer for the King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, stated "We used a heavy sporting rifle - a .600 Express. These had been donated to the army by big game hunters and when we hit a plate we stove it right in. But it had to be fired standing or from a kneeling position to take up the recoil. The first man who fired it from the prone position had his collar bone broken."That's quite impressive as a .600 Nitro is not a very effective armor-piercing round. It's a huge, heavy, slug that's not moving particularly fast, it must have been brutally wrecking those plates with pure kinetic energy, not icepicking a neat little hole like a modern AP round.
>>65066149For mutineers I believe
>>65066158Another interesting example was the Luftwaffe M30 survival gun.
>>65065664Russians have a 125mm anti tank gun that can drive about 50km at a slow running pace
>>65066163soviet doubling down on large towed AT guns is something else
>>65066163would be kindo if it could drive like 100 mphotherwise whats the fucking point? some "in case nuclear war happens"-equipment?
>>65066229ahapparently the gear can be holded upthought it was like some kind of wallmart-hellcat
>>65066236>holdedfolded*
>>65066163Looks like a Broce Broom
>>65065542I refused to believe these weren't some kind of paintball vehicle the first time I saw them
"Ampulomet" emergency antitank weapon, used by the Soviets for a brief period in '41-'42. It was essentially a simple black powder cannon that fired hollow glass balls that were filled with a mix of red phosphorous and sulfur. The mix would (probably) ignite on impact after the glass broke and (hopefully) blind or disable the tank.
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>>65065664Is that picatinny rails on a howitzer?
Double-barreled stocked pistol things
>>65067290yesfor the underbarrel grenade launcher and PEQ-15
>>65067315A common facial expression of Chauchat users.
>>65067315>fist battle rifle of the free worldThe Americans fail in their attempt to replicate it>second battle rifle of the free worldThe Americans refuse to use itHave they been trying to tell us something all along? =)
>>65066169They are still operating under WW2 doctrine so that makes sense
Airacuda my beloved
>>65067266never beating the slanted eye stereotype
>>65066158is it just me, or is that bullet accuracy kinda shit?
Howtar. 107mm chemical mortar mated to a 75mm pack howitzer carriage.
>>65069346And the moritzer.115mm rifle revolver rocket launcher thing.Two very different conceptions of the same idea in the same era but iirc they weren't competing
>>65069365Video of the xm70e2 being firedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bJ-XNYux_M
>>65069365>>65069375Cool. seems similar to the 2B9 Vasilek
i remember quite a while ago there was a thread about artillery or something, and in it there was some (french i think) towable artillery guns, that were absolutely tiny.full, proper wheels, tow-able set up, but like, no bigger then a somewhat large school backpack? if i had seen it today i would of assumed it was some a.i generated joke.anyone know what im talking about? it looked like you could just...pick it up and carry it. one handed.
>>65069501eh, maybe it was just this, the Granatwerfer 36? still, just something so tiny that it was just carried by hand, but on a full proper miniature carriage, like you were going to tow it in a bicycle or something.
>>65069522Wasn't this was it?
>>65069574no, the wheels in that image are taller/bigger then the entire mortar in the image im thinking of. like, it was SO comically small. like this hacked together 40mm grenade launcher from ukraine apparently, but imagine this with wheels and dials and everything
>>65069750You're referring to the WW1 37mm French field gun/infantry-gun. That's as small as they ever got.
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>>65069767Fugg>adoptedHow about a .50 with underslung mortar?
>>65069758>WW1 37mm French field gunthis thing looks like? or is it "cannon"lmao its so adorable. "3.7 cm Infanteriegeschütz M.15"
>>65069790that tiny carriage, its adorable
>>65069790Made redundant the instant mortars got more popular.
>>65065548The videos of these things putting in work in Hue City are great.
>>65069790>>65069794That's the Austrian version. Bit smaller than the French cannon.
>>65065548Hell yeah
>>65069574>have the most advanced rocket propulsion tech on the planet>make your light rocket AT a small artillery piece until Amis show you it works just fine from a 20 pound sheet metal tube>make your artillery almost exclusively drawn instead of putting them on trucks like the Soviets did (which the Waffen SS just straight up copied)>make most of the ones you did put on trucks fixed racks with no fire control>be absolutely hellbent on making dumb-fire A2A rockets work (they didn't)It's downright comical how hard Germans armed forces fumbled their implementation of rockets.
>>65070108>No mention of V2 initial meant to be used to explode inside bomber formations, but Hitler wanted a terror weaponCasual.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nOkO8Sh2xsfuck it, shoulder arty
>>65070108>make your artillery almost exclusively drawn instead of putting them on trucks like the Soviets didThat's because the Nazis didn't have enough trucks to begin with and couldn't produce enough either.
>>65070230And they had an even bigger shortage of mobile artillery, which is why they started putting Wurfrahmen on trucks and some of the old tiny tanks that had little frontline use otherwise
>>65066229It's just a little engine to help move it along when untowed. Plenty of other countries have the same concept you ignoramus.
Albrecht mortars were a series of low-cost heavy mortars mass produced for trench warfare by Imperial Germany during the first world war.The gun tubes/barrels were made of hardwood staves which were glued together, similar to traditional wine barrels.The wooden barrels were then coated in glue and tightly wrapped with galvanized steel wire as a reinforcement.These mortars typically had large wooden blocks acting as baseplates and were usually equipped with a simple metal frame allowing the crew to adjust traverse and elevation.The bore size of the various models ranged from 10-18".The weapon was muzzle loaded with loose black powder loaded into the weapon before the projectile. Projectile weight was up to 50lbs. The projectiles were essentially large sheet metal cans with a handle on top to make loading easier.The projectiles did not have any kind of stabilization features and would tumble through the air, often landing backwards or sideways, so the projectiles were fitted with pyrotechnical delay fuses (like giant firecrackers) rather than impact fuzes.Various explosive fillers were used, all manner of scrap metal objects were also packed in with the explosives to from shrapnel and improve lethality.The maximum range was around 650 yards and accuracy was poor.
