>”OMFG PORSCHES ARE SO FUCKING PERFECT WHO THE FUCK WOULD WANT SUCH A FUCKING PERFECT MONSTROSITY LIKE A 911 TURBO OMG ITS WAY TOO FAST WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT OMG ITS WAY TOO RELIABLE WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT OMG THE FIT AND FINISH IS WONDERFUL WHO WOULD EVERY WANT TO BUY SUCH A PERFECT PIECE OF GARBAGE OMG OMG B&T IS WORSE THAN HI POINT OMG”You no-b&t faggots need to eat shit and kill yourselves.
>>65067374More like an older Tesla model than a Porsche>relatively recently established>car does car things and looks okay doing them >owners have self-inflated ego with a prosecution complex even through regular drivers never actually think about themImagine thinking a B&T is a 911 lmao
Counterpoint
>making a brand your identityPeak npc behavoir. Who the fuck cares.
>>65067374Why is it a screenshot from Palm Beach Tactical? Do you own one? Can you take a timestamped photo of it?
>>65067451it's litterally a schizo that has been going at it for at least 2 days now.he don't own any guns either btw.
>>65067374Anon, B&T are popular only in the US due to their high price. They are considered the keltec of Europe but for retards. Quality is meh and price is high. They get bought by retards with too much money than brain. Go on, find me an actual test that compared mean average failure of various firearms and find me A SINGLE TEST where a B&T firearm came out on top.
>>65067439ok I laughed would have been funnier if he had a Glock. Either of them.
>>65067374>OMG ITS WAY TOO RELIABLElol
>>65067473Is that a cracked cylinder? Am I seeing that correctly? How the fuck does that even happen?
>>65067493german engineering
>>65067374B&T is like Kel Tec but Swiss. People worship Swiss stuff because it's expensive so it must be good but in reality Switzerland is a horrid place to make anything due to the extreme cost of labor and the currency exchange rates. An APC-9 for example is a basic bitch straight blowback PCC made out of extruded aluminum while for $500 less you can get a proper H&K SP5 made out of steel that has a much more complex roller delayed recoil system. Fuck the Mountain Jews, they aren't actually that good at making guns. The SG550 is an overrated hunk of junk and an obese AK. The M16A2 is a way more capable and pleasant to shoot 20" 5.56 rifle
>>65067493Wrist pin retainer failure, loss of coolant, piston failure, piston burn through resulting in hot spot, lack of lubrication, dropped valve, massive overfueling from a failed injector, two poles one hole (seen it), fatigue limits reached, etc.Looking at the marks in the cylinder it sure looks like either a wrist pin worked its way loose (seen it) or a valve came apart and cause the piston to grenade.
>>65067493Detonation. Same thing that happens if you pull the bullet from a cartridge and tamp the powder down and then put it back together and fire it.
I made one snarky remark in a B&T thread a few days ago and it seems to have really riled people up, don't you people have lives?
>>65067504You make some valid points but steel isn't automatically better than aluminum and complex isn't necessarily better than simple. While we're at it, old shit isn't automatically good
>>65067535my point is the price of B&T isn't coming from innovation or materials or construction quality-- it's entirely from the cost of labor in Switzerland and the Swiss currency's conversion rate making things really expensive
>>65067464>keltec of EuropeDisagree. I own a few KelTecs and one B&T. The KelTecs are better designed and way less expensive.>yes, I'm still salty about my station six, how can you tell
>>65067374Take Porche money.Use on Dodge Dart Swinger plus mods.Porche not very fancy now.Cheers.
>>65067464the US army SCW with the APC9K being selected for it?
>>65067724they only bought like a hundred of them in a kneejerk reaction to green on blue attacks in Afghanistan
>>65067724That doesn't prove anything. The Swiss army is buying a bunch of P320s despite they being the literal worst performing firearm in every single metric.Here in Europe the only thing B&T people reccomend is their suppressor adapters and muzzle devices, and only when you can't find a better alternative. Their firearms are for the most part novelties that are bought by wealthy boomers who will shoot 10-20 rounds a year at their local club and then claim just how reliable they are and how they only had to shoot 500 rounds for the """"""break in"""""" (lmao) period to be over.
Look man, you want to drop $3k on a direct blowback 9mm PCC that takes Glock mags, all the power to you. But that doesn't mean you didn't earn all the mockery thrown your way for getting that.
>>65067690>I'm still salty about my station six,if there was one singular gun that cemented B&T as Mountain Kike LelKek, that was it
>>65067925I have a 9mm direct blowback PCC that takes glonk mags and it cost around 450 bucks including the magwell adapter. I can't imagine anyone dropping 3 grand on one.
>>65067374>Porsche produces timeless cars that have an amazing pedigree in motorsport as well as being one of the most driveable performance cars out there>B&T produces hypebeast slop that gets onesie twosie government contracts and have no real world uses other than guntubers doing a few mag dumps at steel saying 'DOOD its COOL'No.
Idk i have a apc 308dmr and a apc 223 pro. I like both of them and taken them out camping and shooting. They are great they've been nothing but reliable. Yes they are expensive but I dont want a cheap gun. Go buy PSA if you want cheap. I wanted some rifles that I could be proud of handing down to my kids, but still modern, and when holding the B&Ts you feel that. The fit and finish is there. Lots of haters on B&T just sound poor to me
>>65068201Sorry here's my pic
If it's good enough for the Swiss guard it's good enough for me
>>65067439i can feel the seethe through the screen
Any confirmed combat or operational usage with a B&T firearm, ever?There was that mini US army contract but those have probably never been shot in anger.The closest i can think of is their impuls IIa seen in the wild in pic related.
>>65067374B&T is overpriced for what it is, like H&K.The real problem is that 90% of B&T owners are attention whores with a victim complex and start crying about being persecuted by poorfags before anyone has even replied to them.
>>65068398No you're just poor
>>65068555nta but it kinda looks like you just proved anon's point
>>65067374I drive a Porsche and got t-boned by a bronco the other day. My door panels are just dinged up, he got swerved onto the sidewalk and nearly killed a kid. DUI. I’ve never heard of anyone being mad at Porsche drivers, though. This is news to me. B&T is trash, though.
>>65068398H&K isn’t overpriced for what it is, B&T is.
>>65068201> I wanted some rifles that I could be proud of handing down to my kids, but still modern, and when holding the B&Ts you feel that.as a yuro it's always fucking weird how burgers suck off B&T and act like they're a paradigm of quality when they are very much considered shrug worthy here
>>65067374>ITS WAY TOO RELIABLEBrass Facts built his entire channel on fanboying over the B&T TP9 (the gun the Swiss sold to the Japanese and Koreans), and 3 years later was forced to admit how it's a piece of junk that has given him nothing but problems despite being sent back 3 times to B&T and them giving him special treatment because he's a content creator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IidiZTxoa-s
>>65067374>make straight blowback 9mm for $3,000+>grand power enters the market with a roller-delayed blowback for a third of the costI can see why people hate B&T or take them seriously
>>65068958>or take them seriouslyor don't take them seriously
>>65068750I got t-boned by a minivan and my poorfag shitbox used dodge only got its plastic fender fucked up but you don't see me bragging about it
>>65067696>Dodge Dart Swinger plus mods.Ok, what year? Because Dodge did a reintro.
>>65068192>one of the most driveable performance cars out thereTBF this is a relatively recent development for them.
>>65067504>Counterpoint>>65068750The worst drivers I have ever seen drive Chargers, or large SUvs or trucks.
>>65068750I don’t really see Porsche hate either. Like I don’t think there’s a lot of wow factor in a Porsche these days for the same reason there’s no wow factor for an AR. It’s excellent at what it does and it never really changes and everyone has seen a million of them. Meh. Give me the FAL and a Pantera instead.
>>65069653Good points and taste, but I think you should have picked something in current production as far as car analogy, like pic related.
>>65067374B&T is for people who think H&K is too mainstream.
>>65069672I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
>>65068201Behold, the very essence of why people laugh at B&Tfags
>>65069605Compare it to other cars of the era, anon. It is still far better to daily than any lambo, ferrari, or Bri'ish roadster of that vintage.
>>65067439kek
>>65067439what the fuck people still use this format? I mean they werent even called memes when this was a thing, they were macros.
>>65069738you could take it as a compliment that the yougnis still find humor in something made before their timeor you could complain like the crotchety retirement home dweller you are
>>65069738Would you rather he use unfunny w*jak variation #55643757
>>65068201My brother in Christ, you have a pair of rifles that won't do anything better than what an AR10 and AR15 could do while costing more than double and are covered in torx screws, the fuck you doing acting like you have something exceptional that your kids will fight over when you're in the ground?
>>65069765>younginsthere is no way that was made by somebody under 40
>>65069732Arguably not handling wise.>Steering feedback and precision?Yes. Although you could put the BMW E30s as competitors, for significantly less dosh at the time.Before electronic controls that rear mounted engine means if you lift off the gas in a corner you are going sideways. Skill issue? Yes. But they are called Widowmakers for a reason. They definitely have the Italians beat on roadholding and reliability.
>>65069621>The worst drivers I have ever seen drive Chargers, or large SUvs or trucks.I drive professionally, IE I do ~70-90k miles per year hauling misc bullshit for UPS.The worst - and I mean absolutely the worst - drivers are in Tesla Model 3s with clever vanity plates.It's not even close. They'll hang out in your blind spots and then pass you on the right and cut you off at the absolute last second, and then if you dare to honk the horn, they'll freak out and slam on the goddamn brakes because they're afraid something bad is happening.
>>65069789>BMW E30s as competitors, for significantly less dosh at the timeReally? I've got two E30s, one with like 400k+ on the broken odometer, one with 56k original. I've never driven a Porsche, honestly, but I've driven the fuck out of E30s, and the low mileage example I have will make you say "holy shit this thing handles amazingly" when you step out of it, but I didn't think it was THAT good.
>>65069809>with clever vanity plates.I have done a fair amount of driving in Detroit. If I see a bedazzled license pl8 frame I try and change lanes.
>>65069708This guy has taste >>65069672this guy is a top gun sloptuber retard
>>65069996>Lotus doesn't beat Ferrari on real roads.Lol.
>>65070029>He thinks it's a Ferrari absolute comedy, you just outed yourself as a retard
>>65070041nta but all cars made after ~1998 look the same to me, I couldn't tell a 2025 ferrari from a 2025 fiero. I'm pretty sure they're all made in the same factory by daimlerchryslerfiatfordmercedesgeely group anyway, all your hair splitting means nothingt. nocarz
>>65070041I know that is not a Ferrari, you assumptious ass. I merely have no frame of reference as to their handling. I know the chassis was innovative, but I also know it has a big heavy V8 riding in it.
>>65067528>don't you people have lives?No. They also don't have guns.
>>65068201You could get everything you listed off in a rifle half the price, you just enjoy overpaying because it makes you feel like a man in your mundane life. Like buying a Mansory vomit car for 2.2 million dollars to drive it to the grocery store and back.
>>65069779Not him but you see Anon, the modern clown world has created a class of people who have essentially been ferried from school to college to office with very little life experience in between. They "work from home" (see: do nothing,) go jogging in the middle of the day when everyone else is at work, and spend their "hard-earned" money on overpriced crap because they simply don't know any better. These are the people who keep all these goofy gucci companies afloat, the ones who are buying all the stupid, overpriced $5000 rifles or $190,000 Eurotrash cars that are at the dealership for repairs 8 times a year or whatever. It's not about heavily researching and comparing and finding out what the actual best quality, most well-engineered, durable and reasonably-priced product is. It's simply about buying the most expensive one so they can feel like the king of their elementary school playground with the biggest Tonka truck. Because at they end of the day, they really are still very much in elementary school, psychologically.
>>65069809I drive for a living too, 26' box truck and probably similar miles, and I don't think I've ever seen a new Ford Bronco driven by a sane, reasonable driver. It's like they exclusively sell them to fat little Hispanic women with 0 impulse control and a desire to kill/die.
