Hello, in this thread we will discuss lever guns.
>>65070750Never owned a lever gat. Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver.Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions? I've seen people literally just post>but it's lever actionAs if that was supposed to say it all. Why do some people hate them?
>>65070793>. Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver.I just picked up a 12 shot uberti and Henry 22 waiting for me to pick up. I got them just for cheap practice so I don't have to use my 45 colt all the time
>>65070798Neato. Availability is a big issue here so I was wondering about getting a Rossi because it's budget enough I wouldn't be butthurt if it breaks and I can't find replacement parts or something.
>>65070804What do Rossis cost in your area?
>>65070810Rossi Puma is like $1100. Slightly more expensive than budget Turkish guns for comparison.
What do you guys think about one of these for an SBR build? I was thinking 45 70
>>65070831That seems expensive
>>65070874Yeah, guns aren't quite that popular yet over here so it's all starting just now. Plus foreign stuff from far away generally will be even more so. You can get .22lr chambered stuff for like $200.
I want a BLR because I'm a fuckin weeb but all the ammo for these things is like $2 a round no matter what caliber, why the fuck are guns so expensive
>>65070750Are you incapable of imagining things in your minds eye? Why photoshop that.
>>65071102I am not sure if you are making a joke or not
>>65070793>Hope to one day for cheap range practice and possibly having a common bullet for that and a revolver..357 Magnum is a good caliber choice for that, easy to shoot as a handgun cartridge, and works well as a light rifle cartridge (gets a nice boost from all that extra barrel, has very mild recoil, less loud than the handgun), and you can obviously also use .38 Special, with ammo not being that expensive.>Why do some people hate them?Those are people who don't actually like and enjoy guns for real, they can't really conceptualize why anything but a Glock 17 or AR15 would ever need to exist, and it upsets them.Imagine someone who looks at Cowboy Action, Three Gun, or just collecting, and all they can think of is "But what's THAT good for?"Some of this is for poorfag reasons, some of it is just autism (the boring kind). Occasionally both.>>65070804Rossi are ok, but they're worth doing a bit of work on when you get them. Lever can feel a bit gritty on some of them out of the box, stiff loading gate with sharp-ish edges, and often the wood is worth refinishing.If you're willing to work with your hands and use some tools, it's pretty easy to fix those things, and they'll become pretty nice with that effort.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENMY1wTN2I
>>65071102That's real, you fuckhead.https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/spd-predator/
>>65070793>Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?I have a new manufactured marlin by Ruger or whomever and the thing doesn't always shoot. Other gun designs seem a lot easier to troubleshoot
>>65071131Have you asked customer service about it?
>>65071130LOL fair
>>65071141In this fags defense, it does look like bad shop or ai
>>65070832I can advise you right now a mares leg .45-70 is a gun you will only ever shoot for meme value and you will rapidly lose interest in. If you want a .45-70 get a full size rifle or a BFR.>>65071125Can confirm, my .454 puma was pretty gritty and rough until I shot/worked it nice. Then I fucked up the action trying to make a 405gr load using .458 hardcast swaged down to .452 and modified trapdoor load data. Now it sits in the safe as a poingant reminder that I am the reason I cannot have nice things.
>>65070977>BLR>weebElaborate.
>>65071259So, is the gun just completely fucked, or what?If the receiver is still good, maybe you could get it repaired.
>>65071125Yeah, I've heard the biggest problem can be fixed by just dry cycling it while watching something for a few weeks on end.As for the other problems, I'd probably just let the gunsmith handle the sharp edges, wood I could probably do myself. Might just get one whenever I can be bothered to haul my ass to a shop that has one. Thanks anon.
>>65070977>All the ammo is 2$ a round no matter what caliberAre you talking about an original or something? The modern ones are all in common calibers
Was Winchester's toggle link action as weak as they say?
>>65070793>Anyway, why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?weaker action, inability to use spitzer cartidges before leverlution, annoying to shoot prone, some are garbage. i had a marlin 1894 that caught 'marlin jam' that was a yuge POS, got it on accident right after the remington buy out and it was terribad. canted barrel, shitty stock, previously mentioned marlin jam etc. big whoopsies. thinking about a stainless rossi in 44 to go with my 44 revolver though.
>>65071375Yes
>>65071375Only really because of the metallurgy of the time.
>>65071396No, it's just not a strong design. You aren't putting a modern rifle round in a modern toggle lock
>>65071400Nigger, you don't know shit, the Maxim machinegun is a toggle-locked gun and it did all of the full powered, smokeless military infantry rifle cartridges of the WW1/WW2 era, on top of the .50 caliber balloon buster guns.
>>65071435It was also fucking HUGE, retard. You can build a direct blowback 300 winmag if you want. That doesn't mean it's in any way practical
>>6507140030-06 in a toggle lock. This was no the only toggle lock rifle the US army trialed.Winchester also had their own version in addition to several shotgun varieties.
>>65071454>a direct blowback 300 winmaghow heavy would that bolt be? i know there is a formula to figure that out
>>65071381They really got me wanting one bad because of how shiny those sexy stainless ones are. I have had been had!
>>65071454No kidding the size makes a difference (nevermind that the Maxim was designed for outright hundreds of thousands of rounds of sustained fire, so everything is overbuilt for that purpose), but so does THE FUCKING METALLURGY.Aside from the Winchester 1876 rifle doing cartridges like .45-75 Winchester and .50-95 Express with a beefed up receiver and toggle, the Swiss LMG25 uses a toggle-locked action in 7.5x55mm Swiss, the German MG18 machinegun from WW1 was designed for a 13.2mm cartridge comparable to .50BMG, and there's yet more.The Swiss Tb41 is a toggle-locked 24x139mm automatic cannon.In essence, shut your fucking mouth and stop talking.
>>65071259>BFRhow is a bfr better than an SBR?
>>65071381>i had a marlin 1894 that caught 'marlin jam' that was a yuge POSYou had a Remlin. Notorious pieces of shit. Part of the reason everyone loves the Ruger Marlins now.
>>65071591yeah it was bad. although at the time i had was reading that 'marlin jam' was a thing with the 1894, the lifter is a softer metal than the lever and it would wear a groove into the lifter and let two in from the tube, i would bring my screwdriver set to take the action apart to clear it. it was super accurate though with a little bushnel 2x. almost regret selling it. will probably get >>65071564to satisfy that itch. i've also got a marlin 336 in 30-30 but i don't really take it out much.
>>65071591Yeah, Remington bought Marlin and then ran them into the absolute ground. LOT of rough rifles came out of that, not all of them were bad, but a really unacceptably high amount of them had problems.There's an old picture, I wish I had saved it, of someone on here having bought a Remington Marlin rifle, and it was one of the straight grip stocked rifles, but it fucking had the lever from a rifle with the curved profile grip. I think it functioned, but it looked ridiculous.With Remington swirling the drain because of getting sued for so much of their bullshit (I'm not talking about the Newton thing, they got sued by others for a lot of very real and deserved reasons), Ruger stepped in and bought Marlin from them, and it was for as little as $24 000 000.Ruger essentially bought the brand and the designs, and then had to redo a lot of the tooling and production for Marlin's rifles, as it's been rumored for a very long time that Remington neglected the shit out of Marlin's production lines, lotta worn out machines and tooling.
Lever guns are of no use in the modern body armor enriched world, but they are fun.
>>65071621>Yeah, Remington bought Marlin and then ran them into the absolute ground.Not true.Remington bought Marlin because they were in massive trouble.They were mismanaged and couldn't afford the replacement of worn out machines. Quality was tanking and the company was haemorrhaging money.Part of the buy out involved option of retirement payout to older employees. These guys had been compensating for the shit tools and with them gone there was a short period of bad quality until the machinery was replaced with modern tooling.The Remington buyout was the only thing that saved Marlin. If they hadn't stepped in the company would have been parted out and the name sold to someone to sit on.
>>65071635Then why did Marlin start to suck under Remington?
Here's an email I got from Bond Arms last August when I asked them if they were ever going to release the lever action AR-15:"We are making sure that the LVRB is working and functioning properly before it is released to the public. We are hoping to do a limited release of the entire firearm sometime in the fall. But we don't have a date at this time."Yeah this thing is never fucking coming out lmao
>>65072303They sucked for quite a while before. The sucking peaked under Remington because of the changes made to return them to a functional company.
I just got pretty lucky finding two new miroku saddle ring carbines. I stopped in a mom and pop gun shop that I found passing through a small town. Upon entering I saw that they had a used winchester 73 hanging above a door for sale. I asked if it had a saddle ring because I was looking for one. The old guy behind the counter got it down and said no but I think we have one in the back that does.He brought out three boxes and opened them. Two 1873s, (357 and 45 colt) and an 1886 saddle ring carbine. I asked the price and it was a few hundred less than what they typically cost.He said they were probably priced a few years ago when they first came out and he just never set them out.I ended up buying the 357 73 and the 45-70 86. Pretty excited to find them. Not often do I see a model 73 let alone 3 of them in one gun shop.I will post some photos here in a little bit.
>>65071576because it's a big fucking rifle
>>65070793>why do people seem to dunk on lever actions?they don't dunk on levers, they dunk on MODERN leverslever actions are great at what they are but when you try and make them into AR15s it's just sad
>>65074551Leverguns much like pump actions only need a couple things to be properly modern, just some better finishes on the furniture/metal and a detachable pic rail on the receiver for a low lying optic if wanted.
Do any of you own a Mossberg Palomino? I do and I have no clue how I would disassemble and clean it
>>65074565If it was just synthetic furniture and a rail on the receiver for optics, I'd be fine with it, but tacticool lever guns are just horrible to look at.
>>65074551Yup. It's like choppers.>but they're impractical and bla bla blaWhatever, it's shiny and cool.>>65071606If you end up getting it, let me know difficulty of normal cleaning and deep cleaning. Based on this guys post: >>65074589 and a few horror stories I've heard of other brands, that's the main thing keeping me from just getting one on an impulse buy.
>>65074628>If you end up getting itit's far down on a list of if it falls in my lap i'll buy it. i've got an itch for a PTR too. but i'm assuming it's like every other lever gat i've cleaned. open lever and use a bore snake for quickies, take out lever and bolt for deep cleaning.
>>65074817Is it that simple with a hammerless system too?
>>65074530isn't a bfr a revolver?
>>65074506Havent shot the 86 yet but the 73 is great
>>65071574God bless Furrer's obsession with toggle locking, everything from pistol calibers to cannon shells.>>65074530>>65074530>>65074530>>65074530
>>65070750Imagine needing to roll over onto your side while reloading your gun in a prone position. LOL Levercucks stay mad!(This post brought to you by BoltChad gang)
>>65075181Yes. The biggest and finest…
>>65071576Specifically in 45-70 and comparing the cutoff “lever pistol” I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil management since it’s got an actual handgun grip.. admittedly I haven’t tried the pistol lever gun. But I’ve got a lot of experience with Spicy BFRs….
>>65070750
>My marlin dark is never going to come in What should I get in the mean time while I wait another 6 months?
>>65072320>lever action AR-15For what purpose? How is it supposed to work in the first place?
>>65076015>Ye Calico Of Olde.This thing was cool as fuck, and actually had rather respectable ballistics for such a high capacity rifle of its era.With the .44 Evans Short, you got a whopping 34 rounds of a 220gr .419 caliber projectile going at 850ft/s (ergo, 1911 tier), and then the .44 Evans Long gave you 28 rounds of a 280gr to 300gr bullet doing a staggering 1300ft/s, (more powerful than Harry Callahan's sidearm of choice).
well, bros, I found a marlin 1895 dark today and brought her home
>>65075872>I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil managementHow is a pistol better at recoil management than an SBR?
>>65075872>I’d bet that the BFR is a lot better at recoil managementHow can a pistol have better recoil management than a stocked weapon?
I'm trying to put together something that can take deer as quietly as possible. I also want a 45-70 guide gun. How quiet is that going to be with a can and subs?
