How would the US enforce a naval blockade if firing on any civilian ships would be disastrous? Would they just board any ship that dared?
We'll just mine the strait.
>>65071911Hmmmm another delicious TACO
>>65071911Choppers can fast rope guys into cargo ships / tankers and force them back but that is a big esculation against whoever owns the ship.
>>65071911Board it with a helicopter.
The more you try to wrap your head around how they try to enforce it, the more laughable it all is. This isn't a shadow fleet situation, he's gonna cause an international incident.
>>65071911We know their registry, we can just remove cash from their bank account.
>>65071911That remains to be seen. >>65071927As someone who finds the President to be a drooling retard, the blockade is actually sound strategy. No, it's not sexy, but it accomplishes the same goals that invading Kharg would bring, and takes away Iran's ability to control if the strait is open. Now, this does mean that it changes from a normally open, to a normally closed system, but it puts a countdown on the oil facilities so that they risk losing more by not agreeing to open than by agreeing to open. Now, will this work? That remains to be seen. I expect that Iran will still walk away with a better position than pre-war, but it is a way to salvage the situation without doing the one thing that would absolutely work, which is a full-scale invasion of Iran.
>>65071911Drumpf will U Boat sink any Iran linked ship and tanker btw.
>>65071937>an international incidentWe are so far past that
>>65071941What are they going to do if Japanese, French, and Chinese tankers attempt to sail past? A sound strategy requires operations to enforce it.
>>65071915>We'll just mine the strait.>>65071941>the blockade is actually sound strategy. No, it's not sexy, but it accomplishes the same goals that invading Kharg would bringI've been saying since day 0 that we should mine Kharg Island and the Iranian side of the strait. No threat to Americans, and it puts Iran in a position where they have to either piss off China by blockading their ships as well, or just let everyone past to buy other countries' oil.
>>65071941>the blockade is actually sound strategyMight be true, but only because all the other options are beyond retarded.
>>65071950>No threat to AmericansYeah who cares about diplomacy with the rest of the world
>>65071941Taking Kharg is invading a country you are at war with to stop them loading oil.Boarding ships registered in Panama, crewed by Indonesians and owned by France is a very different thing.
>>65071955Is this supposed to be some kind of threat?
>>65071955The portion of the rest of the world that goes to Kharg Island can get fucked.
>>65071927>TACOImmediate way to spot some real inorganic shit is this term.
>>65071941>I expect that Iran will still walk away with a better position than pre-warLol, in what way? Most of their military assets are destroyed, their leadership keeps getting killed, a lot of their infrastructure is destroyed, their neighbors hate them even more than before, their allies (China and Russia) won't do shit to help them, inflation is out of control, and worst of all they're running out of potable water because they pumped their groundwater dry.
>>65071947>attempt to sail pastDid they attempt to cross the strait? The same risk calculation will happen here and they will stay away. >>65071952Like I said, the President is, in fact, a fucking retard. >>65071957That will likely not be necessary, and it would require an attempt to run the blockade. Very unlikely to happen. And I'm multi-replying because some faggot decided that I need to fill out three captchas per post now.
Do americans not realize Europe provides them with the machines they use to make the machines they use to make their shit?But its good he is allienating us from america.The sooner we remove ourself with nato the better
>>65071970>Did they attempt to cross the strait? The same risk calculation will happen here and they will stay away.Iran attacking a tanker is not the same as the US attacking a tankerNot that the US ever would do something so insane
>>65071970>Like I said, the President is, in fact, a fucking retard.How? Iran said you have to pay a toll to pass. America said that if you pay a toll your shit gets impounded. Its purely logical. No oil getting through the strait is whatever for the US, so we can keep this up until either (a) they make a deal or (b) Trump loses patience and starts killing them again. Personally, I hope its option b.
>>65071970>That will likely not be necessary, and it would require an attempt to run the blockade. Very unlikely to happen.Correction to myself. Upon further reading, they're really only blockading Iranian ports, so it doubly stands that there will be no attempts to run the blockade.
>>65071974Shut the fuck up, pajeet.
You're getting into weird territory of doing what exactly, with pre-purchased oil on unsanctioned tankers?Are you gonna seize them? lol? Are you gonna fire on them? It's toothless
>>65071963Sorry you aren't having fun anon, everyone else thinks this is funny.
How long till market open again?
>>65071983If they pay the illegal Iranian extortion fee, the ship is boarded by helicopter and impounded.
>>65071986I have never, ever, heard anyone irl use the term "taco" and I live in a deep blue city and work in the very lib infested industry. >b... but they are negotiating Yes.
>>65071974We're not blockading the whole of the strait, just Iranian ports. European goods should get through if we can negotiate a reopening of the strait. >>65071975Any tanker going to an Iranian port is worth boarding and nobody of note will complain. >>65071979>How?Because he started a war of choice and achieved no objectives (read: lost) and is now trying to undo the consequences that everyone could see a thousand miles away. He's extremely fucking retarded, even if he finally listened to someone that isn't trying to grunt his way through life like our motarded secdef.
>>65071941>the blockade is actually sound strategy. No, it's not sexy, but it accomplishes the same goals that invading Kharg would bring, and takes away Iran's ability to control if the strait is open. Now, this does mean that it changes from a normally open, to a normally closed system, but it puts a countdown on the oil facilities so that they risk losing more by not agreeing to open than by agreeing to open
>>65071991>achieved no objectives (read: lost)aaand the mask slips, the shill revealing himself in his browness.
>>65071988Then they get naval escorts and nobody ever trusts the US again destroying our hegemony even further.
>>65071989And where I live I have never heard anyone talk about fucking deer but this is /k/ not IRL and it's a little different.
>>65071996>no no no TACO is actually totally organic! I swear!
>>65071989The only people saying taco were finance bros in 2025, then he actually did the retarded thing they all thought he wouldn't.
>>65071994Whats the point of power if you never use it in your interests?
>>65071999Its factual which is all that matters.tRUMPDARWAYSCHINXSOUTO
>>65071999Organic to who? I watch Atrioc and he uses it constantly. It isn't 2005 anymore and the internet is big enough we can all be on /k/ and completely different parts of the internet outside of /k/.
>>65072002No, they fucking didnt. Only place I have ever seen it used is /news/. Its very boomerlib coded.
>>65072005>tRUMPDThere is another one.
>>65072005>Chickens is just Chickens without any translationWhich language is this?
>>65071993Sorry, anon. I don't have the political mind of a third-worlder and am therefore able and willing to call the President a retard by observing reality as it is and not as I would like it to be for my "side." Sorry about your brain damage. I hope you recover.
>>65071994This is retarded. Iran is attempting to effectively annex neighboring territory and end the Strait of Hormuz as an international waterway, as recognized by multilateral treaty. The US letting them do it would undermine it's power and prestige on the world stage.
>>65072005>its just one fucking guy posting "TACO" over and over again all over /k/
>>65072008>No, they fucking didntThey did. The President was directly asked about it, and it made him sperg out.
>>65072011>no I'm not a shill I'm actually really smart thats why I parrot literal propaganda
>>65072019I have no idea what you're talking about, nor do I particularly care what is discussed in the boomerlib circles you frequent.
>>65072014Iran is a skinny loser gettting beaten by the biggest kid in school. He has lost all of his teeth, has both eyes swollen shut, and has multiple broken bones and a punctured lung. The problem is that he's got a grip on the other kid's ballsack and isn't letting go. Now, if you want him to let go, Big Kid has to find a way to convince him that doing that won't lead to him continuing to pummel our skinny faggot at the very minimum. Now you can decide that Big Kid won the fight, but the fight isn't over until Skinny Faggot lets go, and those balls are starting to lose circulation.
>>65072010It's because they eat dogs instead of chickens.
>>65072008Oh no.>May 2nd 2025https://www.ft.com/content/e81ae481-fbb6-47e7-bd6b-c7d76ca5ab69?syn-25a6b1a6=1
>>65071911I'm more curious at what will the fall out be if trump actually loses a US ship the Iranians. Given his track record, there's a non zero chance of that happening now.
>>65072034>some boomerlib writing for the FT uses the term I rest my case.
>>65072032This gamble already failed with the negotiations. Iran overplayed it's hand.
>>65072037>Given his track recordHis track record of bombing the fuck out of Iran and losing less aircraft than the Gulf War and less men than the invasion of Panama? That track record?
>>65072033That doesn't tell me the language, half of asia eat dogs.I went to Vietnam and it's pretty funny because half the people have a dog they love that comes to work with them and follows them around all day and they'll have dog for dinner.I asked the owner of the restarant next to my hotel if he ate dog and he said sometimes, I pointed at his dog and he said "not that one, someone elses", I pissed myself laughing.
>>65072037Im curious if they can do what ukraine did and just build a few torpedo drone boats as low as possible on the water.Like the Ukes did to rape the russian navy.
>>65072043You mean the same track record where he lost more aircraft than the Iranians in the latest war he started?Yeah, that one.
>>65072039>This gamble already failed with the negotiationsThere will be more rounds of negotiations. The problem is that both sides are lacking skilled diplomats. Some will eventually be found, but both sides will have to give up more to find a compromise that roughly mirrors the outcome of a continued war.
>>65072049>where he lost more aircraft than the IraniansThis is bait.
>>65072037A sane president would call a day of mourning for the lost heros, Trump can't be normal so would say it was returning to port under it's own power and the lying fake news only says it's sunk because they hate him making America great again.
>>65072052>Lack diplomatsSorry, bibi needs greater israel
>>65072057>we're writing fanfic now
>>65072048Unlikely for it to be successful. The US Navy is a competent organization, all things considered. >>65072043I would say his track record of making stupid and reckless decisions based on wishful thinking and the belief in his own greatness. We wouldn't be here if not for that.
>>65072049Iran lost more F-14s than the US lost aircraft in total.
>>65072046It's Japanese, you ignorant nigger
>>65071989>>65071999>>65072015I will always be amused at how you can call trump a rapist, racist, pedophile, crook, just about anything and it's just ignored. But use TACO and suddenly you get massive push back.
>>65072063Now? They've been writing fan fiction for the past 10 years.
>>65072052Iran is not going to get a favorable deal. They are not strong enough to make the demands they have been.
>>65072064>Orange man bad so we're just going to ignore realityBy every single metric the bombing of Iran has been a massive success, and its been achieved at a very low cost. Anyone who pretends otherwise is a shill.
>>65072049>citation needed.Also why the fuck does Wikipedia include Reapers and not the Shaheed? I guess one-way drones are basically guided missiles.
>>65072063>the guy that said an Iranian Tomahawk hit the school would never lie about loses>>65072069Thanks anon, Viet is the only gook I can recognize because they use the latin alphabet.
>>65072070>But use TACO and suddenly you get massive push back.Because its forced. It was floated by Dems over a year ago, it never took off. Even they stopped using it, for the most part. You trying to force it now just signals that you're unironically shilling. Its really that simple.
>>65072075Refutes>>65072066Tomcat is eternal!
>>65072079>Continues to try to push back, proving the point
>>65072081That's just a list of aircraft out in the open that CENTCOM posted kill videos of. They would have been in the hardened shelters.
>>65072074A well executed war starts with clear objectives and they are met.We are 6 weeks in and still don't have objectives the admin can agree on.
>>65072073>Iran is not going to get a favorable deal. They are not strong enough to make the demands they have been.This would be true if the admin was willing to invade, but they are not, and Congress won't approve it. Now, do the Iranians know this? I would tend to say of course they do, but they have a lot of retards in power as well. >>65072074Orange man is bad and we know this because it's readily observable in reality.>metricsUseless. The admin has not accomplished its war goals and is now desperately trying to fix something that wasn't broken before the war. Credit where credit is due, the blockade is the first intelligent move of this war, to include the initiation of it.
>>65072085>This would be true if the admin was willing to invade, but they are not, and Congress won't approve it. Now, do the Iranians know this? I would tend to say of course they do, but they have a lot of retards in power as well.I would assume that the Iranians would also prefer not to have their bridges, powerplants, and desalination plants bombed
>>65072085There is no need to invade. Iran's entire defensive strategy is to try to bait an invasion. It won't happen. Iran's only serious leverage is the Strait. If this goes on long enough, there becomes an impetus to build a coalition to protect shipping and Omani sovereignty. This has already been put forward by the GCC in the UN.
>>65072089Yes, anon that would kill a lot of civilians, but how is that going to reopen the strait? The IRGC will have water and food for itself. We already know they are happy to watch their people suffer, and now they can even blame it on the US. This is why I say that the President is a fucking retard, because, like you, he doesn't think more than one step ahead, if that. No wonder all the window lickers love him.
>>65072064>>65072048Going to agree with this, trump and the lackeys he's installed are Russian tier, but it still takes years for that level of corruption and decay to infect everything, like you've seen what Putin has done to the Russian military to the point the Ukrainians were able to sink a Russian flagship. So an Iranian drone actually sinking a US ship would be a catastrophic fuck up on multiple levels on the US navy's part.
>>65072089That is why Iran made it clear if that happened the would hit every powerplant & desal plant in the ME which caused the 2nd and 3rd delay of the deadline.Iran can be bombed and can't stop it, Iran can hit anywhere within ~2,000km and can't be stopped.
>>65072107>Iran's only serious leverage is the Strait.Which is exactly why they won't let go of it without guarantees, and the admin can't force them without an invasion. >This has already been put forward by the GCC in the UN.And vetoed already. Guess by whom? The Russians and the Chinese, because they can readily observe that this is a major strategic mistake and want to keep it going for as long as possible, even if it hurts them.
>Attention U.S. Navy warship, transiting near Fujairah Port and Oman Sea; this is IRGC Navy; LAST WARNING, LAST WARNING, LAST WARNING”How long till another technical laundry fire?
>>65072114Trump went after senior brass after some said they would ignore illegal orders, the sonarman and radioman are still as good as ever but the guys drafting war plans are already Russia tier.
its so retarded that these people make threats they can't/won't follow through onGonna end shipping to China? What happens when they end shipping to USA?
>>65072119>Trump went after senior brass after some said they would ignore illegal ordersAnon, you know this is a lie. All SMs are sworn to uphold the constitution and ignore illegal orders. The recently fired Army Chief of Staff Gen George did everything that was asked of him. They were fired for either political, i.e. being appointed/promoted under Biden, or entirely opaque reasons like Gen George.
>>65072126>old generals who failed to prepare for the reality of low-cost cruise missiles and dronesKick them out, all of them. Remove the dead wood.
>>65072083>Can't confirm more than 3The cat survives to fight another day!
>>65072128>old generals who failed to prepareYou, like the people making these decisions, don't know what you're talking about.
>>65072118I would be surprised if Iran hit a US ship without the US bombing again first.I think they understand Trump is trying to save face and if that means you let him putt around the strait before recognizing it as Iranian territory so be it.>>65072126List of fired brass:Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of StaffChairman of the Joint Chiefs of StaffChief of Staff of the ArmyCommandant of the Coast GuardThese are not grunt jobs and based on his past hiring practises I have no faith any of the replacements are there on merit.
>>65072114Moskva was hit by two antiship missiles each with triple the warhead mass of a sneed, and Soviet ships have notoriously poor damage control.
>>65072133>implying the Blumpf administration hires on merit
>>65072116>the admin can't force them without an invasionIt can actually. It just requires a multilateral effort to maintain enough air defense and counter mine assets in station, not unlike the Tanker War.
>>65072135With 64 SA-N-6 and 40 SA-N-4 it shouldn't have been hit, but Russia is gonna Russia.IIRC the radar wasn't working when it was deployed.
>>65072139In the tanker war Iran didn't have MRBMs that are getting though defences daily.
>>65072135It's still an example of what corruption and incompetence will get you.
>>65072137He's explicitly saying the exact opposite of that, guy. >>65072139> It just requires [Thing that won't happen]Literally nobody is incentivized to do this. Everyone would rather watch the US capitulate or take all the risk. It's a classic free-rider problem, and it was completely by choice.
>>65072114>trump and the lackeys he's installed are Russian tierbait >>65072084>We are 6 weeks in and still don't have objectives the admin can agree on.The admin has been very clear on its objectives. Rubio gave a whole speech on the subject. However, you're a shill and will never concede this basic point.
WTI opened $8 up...
>>65071988translation: privateering
>>65072116>and the admin can't force them without an invasion.Oh yes they can. A single tweet brought them to the negotiating table.
>>65072139Ah yes, those allies that Trump famously called weak, and a hinderance to the US. Lest we forget he threatened to invade territory held by said allies for no discernable reason. These same allies we didn't let in on our plan to help expand the state of Israel, and cause another mass immigration event of Muslims to Europe. I'm sure these countries are going to be eager to join in another sandbox war with an ally that has shown to be as reliable as gas station sushi.
>>65072160>The admin has been very clear on its objectives. Rubio gave a whole speech on the subject.Which was immediately contradicted by other members of the cabinet. Granted, we know Marco is the most competent of the bunch, but he can only do so much.
>>65072160>The admin has been very clear on its objectivesOk give me a list of bullet points everyone that has given a list agrees on.
>>65072169>Which was immediately contradicted by other members of the cabinet[citation needed] Again, you're not going to concede this because your acting in bad faith, but the admin has been very clear on their goals from the outset.
>>65072152It's already been discussed in the United Nations. It wasn't even put forward by the United States. The countries which have put the idea forward are also liable to use their own alliance networks to do so. France and Britain have already sent troops to help defend their allies in the region. Nevermind the fact that Iran has already been internationally condemned for closing the strait. Keeping it closed puts pressure on them, not the United States.
>>65072166I'm sure that happened. Would that be the same social media where the President said the 10 point plan put forward by Iran was workable?
>>65072164No, privateering was done by non-state actors for plausible deniability.This was be state terrorism.
>>65072152I was agreeing with him. I just think it's funny that there were posters here who thought that DEI would do over time what the current administration is doing in real time.
>>65072171>Destroy or degrade Iran’s nuclear program>Eliminate missile and strike capabilities threatening U.S. forces>Restore “deterrence”>Protect freedom of navigation (Strait of Hormuz)>Degrade IRGC and proxy network capabilities>Force Iran back to negotiations in weaker position >Demonstrate escalation deterrence
>>65072180>I'm sure that happened.Literally what happened. Get over it. >>65072183>nooo actually ur doing DEI
The actual sticking point here, since CENTCOM "clarified" that only Iranian-bound and flagged ships will be blockaded (I say "clarified" but that actually isn't even close to what Trump announced, but whatever), is traffic bound from Iran to China. Which is quite significant. China is the #1 crude oil importer on earth and its cheapest source is sanctioned Iranian oil. The question is, will China send escorts to accompany these oil tankers? And if they do, will the USN confront them?
>>65072188>will China send escorts to accompany these oil tankers?No
>>65072043The gulf war is overThis war is not
>>65071937Bring it on, chink.
>>65072178>Keeping it closed puts pressure on them, not the United States.The shill you're engaging with will never concede this basic point. The closure of the straights is primarily a propaganda strategy and secondarily a way of indirectly putting pressure on the US via non-actors who feel the economic pinch. In terms of winning the war it does nothing.
>>65072191I second this.Chinx already cucked out.But there wont be a need, because taco about to be baked in T-two days
>>65071941You outed yourself as an almost complete Moran. Good job.
>>65072199>tacoGo back.
>>65072188>will China send escorts to accompany these oil tankers? And if they do, will the USN confront them?China is unable to do that. But they also vetoed a UN resolution to restore freedom of movement on the strait, which signals that they prefer things as they are now than using their own resources to ensure as steady supply of oil. They essentially think that this hurts their enemies more than it hurts them.
>>65072205But they did have a supply of oil though. significant numbers of tankers were leaving the strait and headed to China despite its "closure" by Iran. all that proves is that they were okay with paying the hormussy jizya
>>65072200>MoranBrendan Moran? Sorry. I never did work for TechTV.
>>65072143When have Soviet-derived air defenses ever worked? Apart from against civilian aircraft, I mean.
>>65072203What happened to the civilization ending threat? Or how about the whole Greenland saga? I've lost track on what arc we're on.
>>65071963>OMG TRUMP IS GOING TO GENOCIDE!!!>HAHAH TRUMP CHICKENED OUT OF A GENOCIDEit's all so tiresome
>>65072211>What happened to the civilization ending threat?The Iranians started negotiating. Scared shitless by that single tweet. >Or how about the whole Greenland saga? The terms of a new deal are being finalized. Seriously dude, if you want to fit in drop the taco stuff. Immediate red-flag.
>>65072213>Orange retard says retard shit>People worry about retard shit because orange retard is known to shit himself>retard shit doesn't happen because doing that shit would have been retarded>This is somehow a own of the libsYou need to go back>>>r/TheDonald
>>65072168Don't forget the tarrifs, we haven't.>>65072185>Destroy or degrade Iran’s nuclear programThere would be no need if Trump didn't throw out the JCPOA.>Eliminate missile and strike capabilities threatening U.S. forcesIncomplete.>Restore “deterrence”What the fuck is “deterrence” if not surrounding a country with bases and letting lesser Israel have the bomb?>Protect freedom of navigation (Strait of Hormuz)The freedom of navigation that existed before the war? That is a retroactive goal.>Degrade IRGC and proxy network capabilitiesThis is as poorly defined as Russias "denazification">Force Iran back to negotiations in weaker positionAnother retroactive goal.>Demonstrate escalation deterrenceHahahaha, ok this one is a hard failure. >we will blow up all your power plants>if you do that we will blow up everyones power plants>stalemate>>65072188Nah, if China sends escorts they look like they are picking a fight, better to let the US do the stupid and look like an innocent victim.>>65072210SA-2 was amazing, in 1960.
>>65072216>The terms of a new deal are being finalized.lmao no they are not.t. dane
>>65072216>The Iranians started negotiating. Scared shitless by that single tweet.but then the negotiations didn't result in any agreements. so did they un-shit themselves?
>>65072213>make extreme threat that would obviously be abhorrent if carried out>don't carry it out because it was ridiculous to begin with>people mock youYeah, it's almost like you shouldn't say stupid shit. I know, very hard for the retard to not do that, but do try to keep up for why people mock the retard. This is no different than "we will nook!" It gets old quick and people stop believing you are serious.
>>65072222>There would be no need if Trump didn't throw out the JCPOA.Stopped reading. Wasted quads.
>>65072221>>65072229im more disappointed that iran didn't nuke tel aviv and they didn't actually have sleeper cells and dirty bombs but hey, maybe you should have voted harder oh well
>>65072222>There would be no need if Trump didn't throw out the JCPOA.The deal where Iran is allowed to have nukes? Pass. >Incomplete.Complete. >80% degradation, total destruction of MIC. >What the fuck is “deterrence” Demonstrating that you can and will murder the fuck out of someone. >That is a retroactive goal.Correct >This is as poorly defined as Russias "denazification"It is very specifically defined. >Another retroactive goal.Proactive goal. Iranians said they would not agree to anything we "couldnt take without military force". We have demonstrated that we can and will use military force. >Hahahaha, ok this one is a hard failure.They surrendered to a tweet and came back to the negotiating table. Also, thank you for the concession that there were, in fact, concrete and clearly defined goals.
>>65072230The JCPOA was a starter deal that could lead to further negotiations down the line. Skilled politicians would know that. Retards do not because they think a deal is done and that's it, and not a single step in a larger negotiation.
>>65072225>lmao no they are not.>t. daneI should have known that you're the one behind this thread.
>>65072233>The deal where Iran is allowed to have nukes?Which youtuber told you that the Iran nuclear deal allowed 90%+ enrichment which is needed for a bomb?>80% degradationOh, you beleive this admin at face value, nevermind.
>>65072235>The JCPOA was a starter deal that could lead to further negotiations down the line. Its a deal whereby Iran gets unlimited cash and gets nukes by 2030. Fuck off. also>homg the ADULTS are in charge again You're a midwit.
>>65072238it's him or the 'beige' sweede
>>65072239>Which youtuber told you that the Iran nuclear deal allowed 90%+ enrichment which is needed for a bomb?This is how I know you're a shill. We hammered you on this topic just a couple days ago and you're right back to it.
>>65072206>significant numbersthats a stretch
>>65072233>>80% degradation, total destruction of MIC.The same centcom that only posted destruction of trucks and old artillery pieces while claiming every shutdown was fake news despite the footage and latter crash recovery claimed that
>>65072239>Oh, you beleive this admin at face value, nevermind.We can all see the launch data, you fucking faggot.
>>65072247The Karaj missile facility, and many others, are totally gone. Seethe, cope, mald, do whatever you must but for the love of God do it in silence.
>>65072244Different guy, more than one person can say "post the part of the text that says 90% enrichment is fine" and you will do anything and everything except that because it actually said they could keep some 60% which isn't high enough for a bomb.>>65072248Even your kings bosses don't believe that.https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-intelligence-said-to-assess-around-half-of-irans-missile-launchers-still-intact/
>>65072251>After 15 years, all limits on enrichment would be removed, including limits on the type and number of centrifuges, Iran's stocks of enriched uranium, and enrichment sites. According to Belfer, at this point Iran could "expand its nuclear program to create more practical overt and covert nuclear weapons options".Fuck right off.
>>65072249Did you bomb the entrance on it like that nuclear facility there tooz were the nuclear was destroyed but somehow still there after 6 months?
>>65072233>The deal where Iran is allowed to have nukes? Pass.May we please see proof of the nuclear devices? I'm not even asking for a warhead. Can you provide any evidence of even a fucking delivery system?>80% degradation, total destruction of MIC.Weird. How come the President of the United States of America have to threaten to end an entire civilization if they do not have the capabilities to fuck with tankers going through the strait?>Demonstrating that you can and will murder the fuck out of someone.Very nigger way of thinking. We finna roll the block on Iran?>It is very specifically definedCan you please define it? It seems to be changing day by day during the war we've won several times over.>Proactive goal. Iranians said they would not agree to anything we "couldn't take without military force". We have demonstrated that we can and will use military force.Can I see what we have taken? Iran has not lost any territory to a land invasion. And everyone with a >80iq knows that you cannot cause regime change or destroy a country's military without a boots on the ground invasion. I'm sure THIS airstrike will be the last, and Iran's military will be destroyed (for the nth time this month).>They surrendered to a tweet and came back to the negotiating table.May we see this tweet?
>>65071986the only time I heard this in the public domain was when Chuck Schumer used it. you couldn't be much more cringe.
>>65072258>May we see this tweet?Right after you post guns.
>>65072258maybe iran shouldn't have bragged about having enough material for 11 bombs ready to go, seems like a big whoopsie doopsies on their part.
>>65072235It was a shit deal. It was far too soft.
>>65072258So is this just a thing where you vatniks repeat all the talking points that have caused you such much pain these past years?
>>65072268Can you please show me anywhere in that tweet that Iran had 11 nuclear capable warheads ready to go. I understand that English is not your first language Chaim, but I need you to lock in for a moment.
>>65072272i don't use twitter you homo
>>65072255No source but I'll take it at face value, that is 15 years of Iran not building a bomb with constant inspections to make sure.Instead Trump killed it 8 years ago meaning Iran has had no reason not to build a bomb in the last 8 years and they still haven't.Is this because:1) They can't build a bomb at all2) They can but very slowly meaning it would be at least 2038 under the old deal3) Because of the fatwa by Ali Khamenei against nuclear weapons I'll give you a hinthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa_against_nuclear_weaponsFun fact about fatwa's, when the ayatollah dies all fatwas are removed and can only be made by the new ayatollah, you know the guy the US and Israel killed the wife, daughter and father of.Do you think he'll reinstate that fatwa?>>65072259>he can't remember major news about a war from a couple of weeks agoADHD? I just remembered this shit.
>>65072272>I understand that English is not your first language Chaim, but I need you to lock in for a moment.Weird thing for a brown "person" to say.
>>65072275Terms of the deal is that after 15 years Iran is free to make a bomb. And during those 15 years they have no sanctions so they can build up cash to fund their conventional forces. And there is no restrictions on funding proxies. What an absolutely shit deal. >oh but we have a fatwa I literally dont give a fuck what nonsense your religion does or does not have
>>65072275>Fun fact about fatwa's, when the ayatollah dies all fatwas are removed and can only be made by the new ayatollah, you know the guy the US and Israel killed the wife, daughter and father of.>Do you think he'll reinstate that fatwa?What compelles you people to try to make backhanded nuclear threats even while you're losing horribly both militarily and diplomatically?
>>65072275>They can but very slowly meaning it would be at least 2038 under the old dealNo, it would be 2030. So, four years from now.
>>65072269>It was a shit deal. It was far too soft.Man, it's almost like you could renegotiate deals and go from there. Instead, the US is going to lose a war in record time.
>>65072286>Renegotiate a deal Why the fuck would Iran renegotiate? They get as much cash as they want and then, in 2030, they get nukes. > the US is going to lose a war in record time.bwahahahahahaha.
>>65072280>your religionI'm an athiest watching evangelicals and jews burn down the world while the muslims are chill when they are allowed to run their own countries.I was 19 on 9/11 and got the full muslim fear dose the media could muster but now it's clearly just a load of shit.Sure they fuck kids and that isn't great but so does the POTUS.>>65072283So they could build one as soon as the deal ended and the deal ended 8 years ago?
>>65072291>I'm an athiest watching evangelicals and jews burn down the world while the muslims are chillSure thing Mustafa.
>>65072290>Why the fuck would Iran renegotiate?Further ease of sanctions, integration into the international community, and increased commerce. Very good stuff, actually. >They get as much cash as they want and then, in 2030, they get nukes. Not all sanctions had been removed and they had regular inspections. They would have to build up a program to do that, and they didn't in the last 8 years. >bwahahahahahaha.I mean, I'm not laughing. Shit sucks, but I guess it's funny if you pretend it isn't true.
>>65072286>Instead, the US is going to lose a war in record time.These threats are completely empty
>>65071932>that is a big esculation against whoever owns the ship.It doesn't seem to bother these countries when Iran blockades them so maybe it's not a big escalation?
>>65072295
>>65072316oh SNAP
>>65071911Probably the same way we've been enforcing the naval blockade of Venezuela and Cuba these last 6 months. The US isn't some backwater european country with a navy that can't leave port without breaking down, the US Navy has been operating operationally internationally for nearly a century now. This isn't their first rodeo.
>>65072297>Further ease of sanctions, integration into the international community, and increased commerce. Very good stuff, actually.If that's the case, then why isn't Iran doing that already?Oh right.>Not all sanctions had been removed and they had regular inspections. They would have to build up a program to do that, and they didn't in the last 8 years. That's not what the inspectors said. It's also been pretty obvious that Iran doesn't care about sanctions and don't care about flaunting rules.
>>65072324>the naval blockade of Venezuela and CubaMay I see it?
>>65072108>the loss of infrastructure means nothing to iran because they are willing to suffer any hardship ))))We mocked the ziggers for making this argument over 4 years ago and it turned out to be true for them. So valid point never underestimate a sub-human's willingness to endure pointless suffering just to save face.
>>65072324Did any british,french or italian carrier ever have to go back to port for a laundry fire?
>>65072332>flaunting rulesflouting rules
>>65072332>If that's the case, then why isn't Iran doing that already?Because they're being bombed and the JCPOA was torn up. >That's not what the inspectors said.More made-up shit to justify idiotic actions. The inspectors only ever complained about a 24hr waiting period, as if they could move nuclear infrastructure in that time. You're delusional.
I'm just laughing at Turmp and CENTCOM already contradicting each other. Trump threatens any boat paying the toll, while CENTCOM explicitly says they'll only stop boats coming from/going to iranian harbours.
>>65071941>and takes away Iran's ability to control if the strait is openIt doesn't, though?
>>65072359Kek, they said "strait" too many times while breifing Trump and now he doesn't understand 6 other countries use it.
>>65072205>China is unable to do that.Flatly incorrect. FFS they've got a naval base right across in Pakistan, so it wouldn't even be a long-range deployment.
>>65072168Aside from the diplomatic nonsense, Europe currently has it's hands full trying to prepare against Russia while also having various economic issues. Even if they did want to help, there isn't all that much they could spare to send in the first place. What would they really be able to do that the US hasn't don't already anyway? Bomb them some more? The bongs have been busy tracking russian submarines for the past month year have still been helping to shoot down alot of Iranian drones and allow the US to use their bases in the region. But trump still constantly shit talked them and their contributions. Any action that the allies could take would put their people at risk, and none of them are keen to do that considering how trump spoke about their war dead from the last desert escapade.
>>65072349>Because they're being bombed and the JCPOA was torn up.No. If Iran truly cared about ease of sanctions, integration into the international community, and increased commerce then why aren't they trying to achieve that goal? They can easily get that but instead they spend all the time and effort doing everything they can to do the opposite of it. The Iranian government doesn't care about sanctions, or integration into the international community or increased commerce. They only care about fucking with the rest of the world.
>>65072216The kind of deal the US could have just asked for at any time without all the threats and drama?
>>65072391>why aren't they trying to achieve that goal?Why do you think they were negotiating with Obama in the first place? They were trying to normalize relations then Israels greatest goy took power.
>>65072395They probably should have stopped funding terrorism and murdering 30k of their own people.Israel may suck, but that doesn't mean I have to suddenly pretend Iran is a good thing for the world.
Well since having tolls for internationally- protected waters is now a precedent, a vessel may pay the US $1 million for safe passage. And if Iran opens fire on an American vessel or one(s) bring escorted, they will be annihilated along with their proxies. Regardless of how many "demonstrators" they pile onto those sites. Stand with the IRGC, die with the IRGC. Sounds fair to me.
>>65072324>the naval blockade of Venezuela and Cuba these last 6 months.Unless of course it's a russian oil tanker of course, those are perfectly ok to deliver oil to Cuba. Wouldn't want to make daddy Putin sad now would we.
>Terrorism is the calculated use or threat of violence to induce fear, intimidation, or coercion, targeting civilians or non-combatants to advance political, religious, or ideological goalsExplain how this is any different to threatening to bomb power plants, bridges, and desalination plants
>>65072395>Why do you think they were negotiating with Obama in the first place?The same reason they went to negotiations recently. Just because Obama was willing to give into Iranian demands and Trump isn't doesn't mean it's a waste of time to try.
>>65071911I would fire harpoons that have barbs, and continuously add barrel weights until the tanker/freighter is tired and can't swim.
>>65072070Something something call a Jew a Jew, he recoils
>>65072411yes terrorism is largely a constructive relative term thank you for your undergrad wit
>>65072082>why do people call me retarded when I act retarded?!
>>65072399I don't like the Iranian government but people pulling "think of the civilians" while ignoring the deaths caused by the sanctions cutting access to medication for the last 47 years need to have a read.Best case for the world would have been arming the protestors before the protests but either intel was lacking or it was allowed to happen to build public support for the war.Sad truth is no government has any interest in giving people democracy if they can't control who the people can vote for. After decades of public services provided by nationalized oil the people would not want to privatize and no one would bother caring about civilians getting shot in the first place if their wasn't money to be made.Same reason no one cares about the endless Burmese wars or the Palestinian genocide, there is no money to be made.
>>65072411? People bitch about it because it worksterrorism always winsHalf the reason why euroshits hate Trump is because they are terrified about their muslim populations
bro said "undergrad wit"
>>65072399>They probably should have stopped funding terrorismImagine how stupid you have to be to believe shit like this
>>65072437>Give the largest state sponsor of terrorism access to markets! Think of the children!Who the fuck is Jewing who here?
>>65071989Which is crazy because I heard people using and discussing the term at my local pub in regional Australia You should get your ears checked
I'm not a terrorist, I'm a freedom fighter
>>65072221>worry>implying that anyone here actually takes anything online with something more than distant tribal observation, terminally alert yet tired
>Everyone thought Trump was backed into a corner>pulls an unexpected solution out of his ass that no one thought ofI'm back to plan-trusting. This man is a fucking negotiation monster and I'm sorry I doubted him again.
>>65072439nahhh dis diddy blud too scared to reply :skull:
Shills are back on the clock it seems
>>65072443>hate a government>cut 93 million civilians access to blood clotting mediationThe whole concept of santions making the people rise up against their government have been proven just as big a load of shit as terror bombing doing the same.Killing civilians with guns, bombs or lack of medication doesn't make them like you more.
>>65072048I was under the impression that they've been doing USVs this entire timeTheir navy is sunk and shaheds are too slow and inaccurate to hit a ship so that's how they threaten tankers
>>65072445Coward, I'm a terrorist because I use violence to drive political change just as the founding fathers were terrorists.It's not a dirty word, wear it proudly.
>>65072447>solutionWas this thread linked on /pol/? How is the strait being double blocked a solution to the strait being blocked?
>>65072070Cult of action, it makes him look less virile and manly to his supporters so they lash out
>>65072447?Master negotiator who gets into this giant mess because the jews force him to kamikaze his presidency?
>>65072457They built a bunch of suicide boats years ago but that was pre cheap drones and literally had a guy an heroing the boat.I imagine they would have swtiched them over in the last 4 years watching Ukraine but maybe not all.
>>65072399I still have yet to hear how a country can gun down 30,000 humans in a week (7 days) and still have no verifiable proof of it. 30,000 fish in a barrel would leave a mountain of bodies visible from space. Now I'm seeing claims recently of a new figure: 40,000 Iranian citizens gunned down in a week. I wouldn't be surprised if this number kept increasing as this clusterfuck continues
>>65072447kek you guys are hilarious
>>65071941The best solution I can come up to this shitshow diplomatically is the idea that Oman is in charge of a collective wealth fund for gulf tariffs. They then parcel the money out to all the gulf parties - first to repair damage from the war and then afterwards for some kind of communal interest shit. If someone refuses to pay the tariff then rather than attacked the gulf states (including Iran) are obligated to refuse to service said deadbeat with any service. If a party refuses to cut off said deadbeat then their share of the wealth fund is stopped until they rescind it. Iran can claim a victory, Trump can claim a victory (The gulf arabs will be able to put more money towards buying American weaponry instead of rebuilding shit, we don't have to deal with price hikes - lol in theory we will of course), the gulf arabs can too.This is a kind of European Coal and Steel Community idea of "Make it so everyone profits from industry rather than making the industry a military target", but the Semites and Iranians do not have the self control the way the French and Germans did.Assuming the Iranians accept this, this is the only way I can see out that's plausible and doesn't require we hoist ourselves by our own petard by trying to occupy Iran or a ruinous war that continues and fucks the entire global economy over.
>>65072176So what are they?
>>65071974they genuinely dont. Anytime you ask > Do americans not realize the answer is no.There are 2 main reasons1) They really are just self absorbed & myopic. Culture has been shifting to value it2) We are lied too constantly, nobody knows which way is up. The 'morale' people have been burned so many times it feeds into #1
>>65072475NTA claims range from 3k to 50k but with what I have read ~6k looks like the most likely but that is shot not killed, it was mostly 12ga birdshot being used as "less leathal". Still completely fucked but very differnet from mass graves.The IRGC went into high schools and universities after the shootings and made students strip so they could be checked for wounds and arrest them for protesting if they had any.
>>65072437>I don't like the Iranian government but people pulling "think of the civilians" while ignoring the deaths caused by the sanctions cutting access to medication for the last 47 years need to have a read.Sanctions aren't causing any deaths. They also only really just raise the costs of things. Iran has new Boeing 777s despite being forbidden from buying them or parts.
>>65072494https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/iransource/how-us-sanctions-hinder-iranians-access-to-medicine/
>>65072475What's Iranian for oy vey and 'remember the sixty thousand'.>>65072455I'm partial to trusting my lying eyes, IE results driven. And can you think of a single case where sanctions caused a regime to collapse or caused a regime to become so weak as to easily be collapsed by some other factor? I'm not even being facetious if there's an example I'd be happy to hear about it.I'm even allowing for the latter the same way I can buy the idea that strategic bombing can work in that it directs the focus of a regime away from something else (Every Flak gun the Nazis had to make or factory they had to rebuild/hide away reduced efficiency, unless metrics prove otherwise and this is wrong). But ultimately 10 years of sanctions on Iraq wouldn't have made them demonstrably stronger vis-a-vis the US in 2003 anyway.>>65072482We are so big, so far removed, and so rarely interact with foreigners unless we are on social media or are terminally online that it's not really our faults honestly. It's 350 million across a region bigger than Europe. It's stupid for people to be arrogantly self-assured about not needing outside trade (gets us Trump shit) but it's also understandable why they've never thought much about it.If you can find Americans who know the Taiwanese make chips that's like finding a white lion. If you can find an american who knows the Dutch are essential for Taiwan to make those chips then you found a fucking unicorn pegasus that vomits rainbows for how rare that'll be
Crazy how little outlets or guns have been posted in this thread. Curious...
This is like a UFC world champion starting a fight with the mentally ill hobo who keeps throwing bottles in his yard while all the neighbors watch
>>65072502Crazy how few*
>>65072441Hezbollah, HAMAS, the houthis and a selection of Iraqi terror groups all get their funding and weapons from IranAssads collapse hurt hezbollah so much specifically because they were dependent on Iranian weapons and funding smuggled through Syria
>>65072501It could be argued that sanctions helped collapse the USSR but corruption also played a massive role.Also the end result of the collapse is Russia threatening to nuke now more than during the cold war, western media just takes it less seriously.I think to not be giant cunts to the civilians you allow basic red cross shit like food and medication but still cut off the rest.
>>65072506This but the UFC champ is barefoot and the ground is now covered in broken glass.
>>65072390>What would they really be able to do that the US hasn't don't already anyway?Air defense (which they have been doing) and tanker escort.
>>65072447>>Everyone thought Trump was backed into a cornerAnd you believed them? At no point has Iran been close to holding the upper hand
>>65071911>if firing on any civilian ships would be disastrousTrump doesn't care
>>65072534He does because he could have sunk a couple of civilian ships at the Kharg dock and stopped the export of oil without destroying the oil infrastructure or landing on the island.It would be a great solution because once it's over maritime recovery companies could removed them in weeks instead of years to rebuild the oil pumping equipment.The only downside is you have to be willing to sink civilian tankers.
>>65072438>terrorism always winsNo, that's not true. many terrorist organizations have failed to accomplish their goals before being wiped out, whether by kill or capture.it's a real toss up, maybe 50/50 if not worse odds for the bad guys
>>650724876k sounds much more plausible. I think the 30k figure was just an asspull to justify the initial decapitation strikes
>>65072561Really depends on the level of public support, if you have just 5% of the population willing to donate to your terrorist organization and actively support your killings that is extremely hard for anyone to surpress.However if you are 8 autists in a basement you aren't getting anything done, at most you get your manifesto published like the unabomber.
>>65072435T-A-C-O
>>65071941Ok, but the blockade realistically cannot be near the coast with Iran, seeing as how the USS Abraham Lincoln has been operating in the Arabian Sea, not the Sea of Oman. You're going to have to send Arleigh Burke destroyers and marines around the Indian Ocean just to stop tankers. So many tankers have gotten away during the Venezuela crisis, and they had Puerto Rico, Trinidad, Puerto Rico, and Guantanamo Bay in the Caribbean Sea as ports for the navy to operate from.
>>65072601They can put destroyers in the sea of Oman, worst case a couple of hundred seamen die and public support for the war increases which would be great for Trump and Israel.
>>65072438>Half the reason why euroshits hate Trump is because they are muslim.FTFY
>>65072032I still dont get it. Could you please rephrase that with an ass as the central metaphor?
>>65072588>T-A-C-OYou've been doing this for like 5 hours.
>>65071941What are the Iranians going to do? Stop the Americans? The Americans can feign ignorance and let all the people they want through. It really is like trying to explain it to a toddler when people say that it’s a good thing the Iranians are blocking the straight. We will see how they really feel when the u.s blocks it.
>>65072623I actually tagged in for the other /k/ommando, the fact you're been seething here for 5 hours on the other hand...
>>65072438>Half the reason why euroshits hate Trump is because they are terrified about their muslim populationsI hate him because he doesn't understand wtf he is doing>have basically carte blanche to do whatever you want with Greenland>start talking about invading it for no particular reason>start war with Iran>half-ass it and don't make it a decisive ground invasion and start passing the buck halfway through
>>65072632>I actually tagged in for the other /k/ommando, the fact you're been seething here for 5 hours on the other hand...Dude. I left, fired up the traeger, had some beers, cooked dinner, went for a walk with my wife and came back and you're still here compulsively typing "TACO" over, and over, and over again. But hey, you could prove me wrong real easy. You could post guns.
>>65072479Why should the gulf monkeys recieve money for allowing America to use their territory for attacking Iran? They are co-belligirents. And they have huge amounts of money stashed in american bonds. Irans strategic goal is to break the oil dollar bond cycle. Forcing the gulf arabs to sell their bonds to pay for their own rebuilding and shift the rest to non dollar bonds is one of their victory conditions. Another is denying them to transact in dollars at all and force them to dump their dollars. Lots of nincompoops in this thread who doesnt understand that Iran can win by just stopping the oil dollar bond cycle until the US bond market breaks from lack of constant oil dollar inflows. Then America has only two choices, either dollar crash or higher interest rates. The most likely choice will be dollar crash and the consequences for regular burger munchers will be disastrous. Dollar crash means that foreigners invested in american bonds gets a massive haircut and that means its everyone for the exit at the same time. And wall street moneymen will use the low interest, rapidly deprecating dollar for carry trade to make money with money. And that will push down the dollar even more. And that american oil and nat gas and inedible frankencrops will be sold abroad while regular muttricans will have to live on pommes frites only with no burger and no bun. This is also why Trump cant taco out of this. The ceasefire is only to gain time to ship more fighting amerimutts into the theather. America is literally in what Sun Tzu called "death ground" where the only option is to fight. I expect reserves and ex military to be recalled this year.
>>65072633You hate him because your life is meaningless so you seek meaning by shilling on a Bolivian basket weaving forum.
>>65072643>I did all these other things only to come back to seethe some more.LOL at how TACO makes you so butthurt.
>>65071911I find it ironic that the toll booth scheme got flipped like that threat wise.
>>65072652I would suggest that the person who is "seething" is the one who has been glued to this thread for the past five+ hours malding about POTUS. Also>no guns posted
>>65071952Welcome to war planning
>>65072658>N-n-n-no u...This is where you now try to false flag post and screenshot yourself because the term TACO infuriates you.
>>65072644>Forcing the gulf arabs to sell their bonds to pay for their own rebuilding and shift the rest to non dollar bonds is one of their victory conditionsAh yes, the cash flush Gulf states will be forced to sell bonds. We merely need to cut off their cash flow for a generation or more.
>>65072006It's inorganic and establishment Dem to insult a guy incredibly susceptible to insults when he's considering doing the RIGHT THING and not glassing Iran. No one with a brain who actually thinks this war is a bad idea would be TACO-ing. It's retarded It's why Schumer would repeat it, establishment US politicians are war mongers
>>65072620US hand is in Iranian ass, but if the hand is pulled out it will be covered in shit. US wants Iran to douche the ass, Iran wants the US to wipe the ass clean. Hand is in the ass
>>65071941>but it is a way to salvage the situation without doing the one thing that would absolutely workTankers still will not transit the strait if the US is engaged in artillery duel (one it will lose from simple math) against Iranian shore assets. The US has to either eat the crow now and take a lot of economic and reputation damage, or eat a much bigger crow if the Strait remains contested for the months of this artillery duel.
>We've reached the chat bot response for why you should feel bad for using TACO.
>>65072667Solid vatnik telegram post
>>65072633What happened with Greenland did they reach a deal yet? I remember hearing about Trump backing down to just wanting the land the US has bases on, but can't remember if Denmark actually agreed.
>>65072647No, I have tangible reasons like him making my mortgage interest rate and gas prices go up. That said, I used to have an Iranian pen pal and I know how they suffer under that regime, so I wanted the regime to go, which is why I hate seeing the operation half-assed like this
>>65072667Iran is holding grenade, Iran sticks the hand up the US's ass blocking the flow of shit. US threatens to kill Iran and beats him up. Iran threatens to detonate the grenade up the US's ass if the US continues. Iran will only remove grenade from US ass if US performs international humiliation ritual
>>65072664Nope. I dont need to do or prove anything. I know what I have been up to for the past 5+ hours, and you know what you've been doing for that same period of time. It doesnt matter what other people think, what matters is that you know that I know what an absolutely obsessed nolifing loser you are.
>>65072633i'm more shocked by netanyahoo not knowing what the fuck he's doing, trump was just following his lead.i think the lesson is that no one really knows what they're doing.
>>65072692>He's still seething over the term TACOAlso I find it funny how you're not going to false flag because it was preemptively called out.
>>65072687>making my mortgage interest rate and gas prices go up.You're not American.
>>65072698>t funny how you're not going to false flag because it was preemptively called out.You're projecting the kind of things you would do onto me. Btw, post guns.
>>65072702See>>65072664
>>65072689You left out that the US has now clenched its sphincter intending to cut off Iran's hand leaving the grenade in place on purpose.
>>65072689The US just finished humiliating Iran in every conceivable way. You must be absolutely mindbroken to take anything else away from this conflict.
Long ago, sometime around 1945, Truman found a monkey paw and made a wish"I wish for the US to have the strongest and most competent military on Earth"The wish was granted, at the cost of eternal political mismanagement of this military
>>65072661You are ment to do the war planning before the war.>>65072666Satan it's just funny that the western politician most obsessed with looking strong is too weak to follow though on the tough guy talk.If you think my 4chan posts will influence the most powerful retard on earth then I'll talk to him directly.Mr. Trump you hung out with a Mossad pedo and now do everything Israel orders you to, this is funny as shit and I hope to die in prison after being impeached.
>>65072705I've seen that post. What I have not seen is you posting guns.
>>65072693>i'm more shocked by netanyahoo not knowing what the fuck he's doing, trump was just following his lead.Why? Israeli grand strategy and tactical performance has fallen off since the 06 Lebanon War. And then Netanyahu blew up 50 years of careful Israeli diplomacy, by turning support for Tel Aviv from something with a broadly bipartisan consensus into a much more partisan issue when he went to Congress and insulted and criticized the sitting president.He's no Kissinger or Metternich.
>>65072709Your problem is that you have an emotional response to POTUS and the things he does. This is likely because you don't have a whole bunch of stuff going on IRL.
>>65072711You did? Because your response merited seeing it again since the term TACO makes you unhealthily seethe.
>>65072707>The US just finished humiliating Iran in every conceivable wayAre you saying that Iranian surrender is inconceivable?
>>65072716To have an emotional response is to be human
>>65072717>TACO makes you madIt doesnt. Its just words on the internet. What does cause a response in me (humor) is seeing that you've been on here writing TACO over, and over, and over again. For hours. Finite time, which you will never get back, spent trying to make other people as upset as you are.
>>65072561The RAND study "Paths to Victory" gives it about a 60% wineatw for insurgencies out of 71 cases between 1944 and 2010 but closer to 52% if you exclude massive external historic shifts like the end of apartheid or the end of global colonialism
>>65072719>To have an emotional response is to be humanYes. Women are human, and they are emotional.
>>65072720>It doesnt. Its just words on the internet. If it doesn't, you wouldn't have been seething over these past 6 hours and feeding me (you)'s.We can safely say you have TDS, TACO Derangement Syndrome.
>>65072716>if you laugh at the clown you are obcessed with clownsThe guy is way too entertaining to not watch.I'm a geopol nerd as a side effect of being a military nerd and have been watching global politics for decades, this is the most intersting shit in my lifetime by a mile.If you aren't into geopol that's fine but as someone that is this is way better than watching the bongs struggle to get any free trade deals after brexit.
>>65072727>you wouldn't have been seething over these past 6 hours and feeding me (you)'s.Anon, you absolute fucking idiot. You just admitted to it. Conversational TKO.
>>65072728>yes, I do not in fact have anything going on IRL
>>65072732>He just confessed he's just here to seethe over people using the term TACONice 'win' you got there champ
>>65072707>look at all these civilians and shacks we blew up, we won! the 2 week special military operation will only take another 2 weeks.its only funny when ziggers do this
>>65072737>no u 555-555-COME-ON-NOWYou just said, in no uncertain terms, that you've been here for six hours. Which is exactly what I accused you of (and you denied). Its over. We're done. No coming back from that.
>>65071911>firing on any civilian ships would be disastrousWhat is this woke shit? Not in kegsbreath's department of war!
>>65072185>Destroy or degrade Iran’s nuclear programthis already happened last year
>>65072738I don't remember asking for what the browns think about this.
>>65071941Asshole, you made me laugh so hard I almost choked
Watching two people at the idiot convention pointing out to each other that they've both been there for 6 hours
Remember when the ceasefire was announced and all the brownoids were spamming about how the us already agreed to toll booth, reparation and removed all military bases despite the only source of that was iran state media. This is why I want orange man to bomb the electrical grid and powerplants to dust.
>>65072728>I'm a geopol nerd as a side effect of being a military nerd and have been watching global politics for decades, this is the most intersting shit in my lifetime by a mile.Same here Trump is truly the king of reality TV shows.
>>65072741>He's not even being original in his retorts>And intentionally trying to deflect from the fact he's been seething over the word TACO since >>65071963Keep feeding the (you)'s, I'm sure your failed cover up attempt won't encourage more people to use it.
>>65072747No, anon, I have not been here for six hours. My last post was >>65072020But its good to see that you're finally admitting to what you've spent your time doing.
>>65072736Some people find golf boring, some people find nascar boring & some people find geopol boring.It's not a big deal anon, if you aren't interested so be it.
NASCAR golf, I think we're onto something
>>65072752Yes, thats me. I left the thread ~20 min later and returned >>65072623
>>65072759It's not nice to lie given all those other posts you made in between.But the fact you were seething about /news/, a board with a population of like 5 people, is extra hilarious. But still not as funny as you still being assblasted over the term TACO.
>>65072768>But the fact you were seething about /news/Not me. When you start thinking /k/ is one person, its time to take a break. Since, by your own admission, you have been here for longer than 6 hours, I think its time you take a break.
>>65072758Spoiler, I find golf and NASCAR boring.The only sport I ever cared about watching was Australian touring cars back when it was Skylines, Sierras, Commodores, Falcons, Corollas and Supras.It was great then the Aussie manufactures got salty the Japs were leaving them for dead and cut the field to 2 cars.
>>65072774>I'm going to pretend I'm just a totally different person who has been seething about TACO It'sABoldStrategyCottonLet'sSeeIfItPaysOffFor Em
>>65072702>talking about something>HURR DURR POST GUNZ!Are you retarded, mate?
And here comes the false flag
>>65072781>>65072781Me pointing out that you've been doing this for 20% of the day is seething? You spending 20% of your day typing out "TACO" for a total of 26 or more times is not seethe?
>>650727886 hours is 25% of a day
>>65072788>Confirming once again you're only in this thread to seethe about TACO and going 'n-n-np u'
>>65072790Sure. More than happy to concede I underestimated the amount of time wasted.
>>65072792I can confirm I am here solely to mock you about (1) the depth of your obsession and (2) the amount of time (finite) that you have wasted.
>>65072798Yet you're still replying, because you're still seething over the term TACO after all these hours.
>>65072801I'm replying because its funny watching you spazz out. You're spazzing so hard you cant even keep your story straight. Pathetic.
>>65072802>n-n-n-no u...Yet you keep seething over TACO and even lied about it.
>>65072805Six hours of your life. What do you do? Do you have a family? A job? You're not American so I can only assume you've been doing this all night.
>>65071911PLAN 2nd reserve navy to rescue! :)Announce any assholes "fast roping" onto any Chinese flagged tanker will be considered "donation of shrimp feed" to People's Fishing Cooperative, after "meat tenderization" by AK-47.Sail a dozen fishing boats newly armed with short range big league HEAT rockets VERY close to any USN ships launching any choppers at any tankers, with rockets trained on USN ship's bridge, among other areas, and announce any hostile acts by ship's choppers, personal, etc will result in instant "neutralization of threat", AKA "burial at sea without honor".Could USN sink a lot of fishing boats, if they declared all out war? Maybe, but all out war would be mostly both sides having ASM cross in mid-air in the first 30 minutes sinking 90% of ships on both sides.But in one of the Jr High School gym class chest bumping contests, a swarm of fishing boats with Deadly Force pointing in your face wins biggly. :)China operates the world's largest fishing fleet, with an estimated 564,000 to over 800,000 vessels, including a massive distant-water fleet of nearly 17,000 ships.
>>65072810>He's now desperately trying to deflect because he lost, again.TACO strikes, again.
>>65072814You’ve been posting the same line for 6 hours. That’s not a point, it’s a coping mechanism.
>>65072819>Stop using TACO.
>>65072820I strongly encourage you to spend as much time as possible posting TACO on the internet.
>>65072819the point is that President Donald Trump got us into a shitty situation and has no clear solution to get us out of ityou can stop coping now
>>65072823>got usYou're not American though.
>>65072826But I am and he did. The President is a dumbfuck and everyone but his cult can see that.
>>65072829>But I amGo ahead and prove it.
>>65072826sorry, i forgot that thirdie like you could not comprehend freedom of speech
>>65072832Oh no! did i just swoop in and push your thread past the bump limit! Oh gosh guess you gotta start a new one and start the six hour cycle all over!Later loser.
>>65072830wouldn't want to blind a brown thirdie with my glorious American passport, so i will have to declineit's all for your own good anon
>>65072447>pulls an unexpected solution out of his ass that no one thought ofActually, plenty of Naval officers had mentioned this in passing, even on twitter. Literally everyone thought of this. The problem is that this is going to spike oil prices, so while it's totally a potential solution, it has costs that the administration has, thus far, been unwilling to pay. I predict he will further lift sanctions on Russian oil.
>>65072838guess Ukraine will have to work harder then
>>65072830I'm not him, but I accept your concession on his behalf.
>>65072841The upside is that both Putin and Trump have lost an ally in Europe, so I think we'll see some increased support for Ukraine in the EU. While I am not European, I think we'll need a stronger Europe to counterbalance the anti-democratic forces outside of the EU for a few years.
>>65072850>increased support for Ukraine in the EUthat's pretty much a given, especially with Orban losing hard. i'm so tired of cunts abusing the veto system
>>65072821>He's finally mind brokenAnother win for the good guys.
>>65072829Trump isn't acting stupid, he is acting SEX TAPE BLACKMAILED.When a formerly "can read the room" expert suddenly starts doing shit that don't make sense, but hasn't had a stroke and can still talk and banter like before, it means "something else is going on".I knew a guy in the USAF who had guys suddenly not being able to do anything right, and that was their way of getting discharged, because they had enough cooks and janitors....then that same guy does that same thing to GTFO. :)https://www.axios.com/2026/04/10/raskin-demands-trump-cognitive-test-in-25th-amendment-push?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-usCongressman (((Raskin))) knows full well Trump still has "all his faculties", but also knows Trump is being Blackmailed by Bibi over the Epstein Files and Bibi has the real files, not the Reader's Digest version that DOJ has. Jeff worked for Israel, not USA.In fact, Congressman Raskin is in constant contact with Trump's blackmailers. You could tape Raskin's phone and email and make arrests, if we had a real FBI/DOJ. :)
>>65072881>I knew a guy in the USAF who had guys suddenly not being able to do anything right, and that was their way of getting discharged, because they had enough cooks and janitors....then that same guy does that same thing to GTFO. :)PS-this was when Silicon Valley was booming and "electronics techs" were able to walk in, pass a few tests and make YUGE money, didn't even matter if they had "Security Clearance".
>>65072881>Trump isn't acting stupidNo, I never thought he was acting. He is an idiot. That's who he is. >[conspiratard slop]No. The president is just a selfish idiot with no respect for the office. It's not that complicated.
Why do Irate-ians fight way worse than pic related?
>>65072707It is possible to secure a crushing tactical victory and still emerge from the war in a worse position than before. Particularly when your enemy sits next to a vital narrow waterway that is takes a trivial amount of military force to hold closed.
>>65072896They're also ignoring history, specifically the Suez Crisis.You'll also notice one consistent factor in who the belligerent was in both conflicts.
>>65072896Consider: The entire operation was to generate pretext to permanently blockade the strait. The plan is to replace iran and sell our own oil.Venezuela, 'drill baby drill', it has all been prep for this. We consolidate relations with the other middle eastern oil production states because they dont like iran and have their own pipelines so they can still sell oil, take out irans ability to sell oil, and start selling our oil. This gives us more leverage on china.
Not gonna lie. I figured they'd just break the ceasefire and start firing on Iran's mine boats/stockpiles to try and prompt the regime into mining the strait while they still could so they could blame Iran on it being closed while still preventing them from setting up a toll, but I did leave open the possibility they would just blockade the strait.
>>65072930I wouldn't be shocked if trump and durnkseth got high off their own thoughts and though just because they could kidnap a guy no one lied, they could try and force a regime change against Iran because of netanyahu, either it be because yahoo is blackmailing trump with esptein or something else, well never know.Either way he fucked up big time, and all Iran has to do now is keep the economic ratchet going until the midterms since if American gas gets more expensive, republicans are going to suffer a complete wipe out like what we just saw in Hungry, even with all the build in advantages republicans have via voter suppression and gerrymandering.Iran just needs to survive until the 2nd week of November.And it wouldn't be their first time doing that, given the Iranians secretly conspired with Reagan's campaign to keep the hostages until after the 1980 election for the deal that they'd get arms and money.Remember when stuff like that was called treason? Simpler times.
>>65072957>Iran just needs to survive until the 2nd week of November.Bit of a tall order, even if they didn't immediately fold on day 1 of the campaign.
>>65072961trump might have a stranglehold over the republican party, but neither they, nor the American people would stomach a boots on the ground invasion of Iran. That would only increase the electoral damage trump suffers since he already said he's going to cut billions that go to the American people and funnel it to his war. Likewise a full blockade of the strait is only going to jack gas prices, which has already caused irreparable harm to the US economy and average America pocketbook, even further.trump could follow through with his war crime bombing campaign, but then Iran would cripple the oil production capabilities of its neighbors in retaliation, and that ensures gas prices only go further up, which bring us back to the core problem.
>>65072881>>>/pol/ is that way, schizo.
>IM GOING TO FUCKING WIPE OUT PERSIA FOREVER, HAPPY POWER PLANT DAY!>just kidding haha>WE HAVE CUT OFF ALL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE GREAT SATAN, ALOHA SNACKBAR WE WILL NEVER NEGOTIATE>they're in pakistan talking to the vice president before the week is even overholy shit this war fucking sucks. when does the action start up? i want to see america try to fight through one gorillion temu drones. when am i gonna see some social media posts with a picture of a crying brown telling me i need to feel bad because some shithole got bombed? will anything ever happen or is this just gonna end with everything going back to the status quo in 2 weeks after both sides give up?
>>65072699Oh no! But I am a hasgunz with a mortgage and car.
Isn't a blockade an act of war? When does Congress vote on it?
>>65072930That would make sense if Iran couldn't keep up the drone spam against the Gulf states almost indefinitelyThe problem, in a sense, is that any US exit would throw the Gulf states to the wolves. That's probably an acceptable sacrifice politically but is it so economically?
>>65072812It was an incredible feat, but you somehow managed to make the most retarded post in the thread.
>>65073035>if Iran couldn't keep up the drone spam against the Gulf states almost indefinitelyiron beam and potentially ukrainian anti drone drones? I dont know, i saw an article a month back saying that ukrainian companies are making too many anti drone drones and are being asked to do something else with their time since they are producing way more than they need. maybe this lets them raise money selling them or something. Irans drones are their main innovation due to how cost effective they are, this was always clear however we have had several years of modern drone warfare to take note of this and so i believe we have some kind of plan to deal with it. Cant we just put c-rams everywhere?I think politically getting in good with the gulf states would be helpful to trump. How can the people attacking this war do so if everyone in the middle east except iran and its proxies are cheering it on? Let alone all the iranian diaspora. Its mainly people who dont have apparent stake in this conflict that try to find ways to critisize it. It gives him credibility. If we look back to trumps first presidency and his campaigns its clear to the public that there are people who will just oppose trump no matter what, him being instantly attacked no matter what he does actually helps him. CBS polling says 76% of americans think it is important to "stop iran from threatening other countries" and "permanently stop irans nuclear programs". 55% said 'ending the conflict with irans currently leadership in power would be unacceptable' (as opposed to acceptable).Online is not reality, narratives are being pushed. The new alliance is the US, israel, argentina, all the friendly gulf states, and japan. Currently securing the oil. I dont understand the pessimism, people are way too cynical sometimes good things can just happen and everything can go according to plan. The mythology that everyone is a bumbling idiot and we have to just sit really still and coast along is a mind virus.
>>65072129Nice tummy
>>65073123>Unironically citing a poll from a trump propaganda network.Although funny you did that, since you intentionally neglected to include that there's a -20% net support for trump's war, in the exact same poll.How weird you intentionally cover that up, while claiming narratives are being pushed.The rest of the post is good, but only if you like fan fics that will never happen.
>>65072008>>>/news/1505931 sends its regards to you.
>>65073008Are you not entertained?
>>65072812Is this a joke?
>>65072075>Include Reapers and not the ShaheedBecause you're not supposed to lose the Reaper, the Shaheed is still a suicide drone. So by that logic we should count cruise missiles as lost aircraft.
>>65072008>/news/>boomerlol the leftists on /news/ are literal teenagers, have you ever talked to them?and TACO has been used in a lot of leftwing spaces online. I'm pretty sure there have even been Dem politicians who used it.
>>65073913>teenagers>reading the news
Looks like the US blockade is actually happening.
>>65071911Wait what? They weren't blockading Iran from the beginning? What the fuck.
>>65071911>Would they just board any ship that dared?Any tanker, yes. Pic related, it's taken moments before the US boarded and took possession of the Russian dark fleet tanker "Bella", while it was being escorted by a Russian frigate and submarine.
>>65071937Blockade is recognised and defined under UNCLOS (UN Charter on the Laws Of the Sea). You do support international law don't you? Surely you aren't some MAGAtard that thinks laws don't apply to the US? Under UNCLOS is an act of war only against the country whose ports are being blockaded, it's not an act of war against the countries whose ships are being detained. Any country forcibly interfering with the blockade commits an act of war against the blockading country (because they just entered the war on the side of the country under blockade).
>>65071947>What are they going to do ifThe US will board the tanker, arrest the crew, and sail the tanker away to a friendly port where it will be impounded for the duration of the war. The contents of the tanker will be auctioned off to pay for the costs of the impoundment. All this is part of international law.>>65071957It really isn't, no matter how much you pout about it. Don't try to run the blocade, and you won't lose your ships.
>>65071994>Then they get naval escortsWho can sit on their hands and watch as the US boards and impounds the tankers. Or they can shoot at the US ships, thus joining hostilities on the side of Iran, and the US 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 10th fleets will sink their navy and the blockade goes on without them.
>>65073233>no you're not supposed to get your drones shot down?>our drones are designed to be shot down so it doesn't countvery brown logic
>>65074787>All drones are meant to be blown up.Ziggers logic has entered the thread.
>>65074838>noooooo you don't understaaaaand our drones are desiiiiiigned to be shot down so it doesn't coooouuuuuntWhatever helps you sleep at night Fatemah.
>>65074904>It's okay to lose our drones... BECAUSE IT IS!How's year 4 of that 3 day special operation treating you? Time for the next meat wave?
>>65074925>BECAUSE IT IS!Yes. Drones are disposable.
>>65074948>Reaffirming his zigger logicAnd we've reached full circle.
>>65074954(You)'ve come full circle, it seems. I formally accept your concession.
>>65075258That ziggers like you destroy everything you touch?I'm glad you agree with that.
>>65072709>die in prison after being impeachedimpeaced for what, retard? starting a war for jews? did LBJ get impeached? did truman? did george bush? fuck youre stupid. both sides of your government are controlled by jewish money, trump isnt going anywhere fucktard
