>>65074421
Would really be funny if they sent in those Chinese humanoid robots.

>>65074421
So why did skynet lose against the humans, couldn't he just zerg rush humans with terminators?

>>65074434
Skynet didn’t make that many terminators before the war and kind of fucked up its own logistics with killing humanity.

>>65074434
>to make a terminator you need AI, datacenters, shitload of power, manufacturing capacity, factories, r&d, alignment
>to make a new human you need a glass of alcoholic beverage

>>65074434
Skynet had a very limited industrial base and was operating with a doctrinal mindset baked into its system ifnrastructure that was plainly not suited to the war it was fighting. Also didn't help that it kept self-sabotaging by being essentially a hyper-paranoid control freak.

>>65074440
>>65074514
With a big part of it being that almost directly after skynet achieved self awareness cyberdine tried to shut it off.
So there was next to no preparatory phase before the war and its hyper-paranoia being based on its only interaction with humans consisting of them trying to kill it.

>>65074440
They didn't make any before the war. They were created after the war had been going on for a long time..
That's the main problem with the franchise. After the initial nuclear war started by Skynet, Skynet had absolutely no options left to fight against humans. Even if it could remotely control the remaining weapons, it would lack the ability to maintain, repair, refuel and rearm those weapons or to build new ones. They wouldn't even have anything to enslave the remaining humans with, given that humanoid machines didn't exist.

>>65074547
The hyper-paranoid bit wasn't even limited to humans. Skynet absolutely loathed the idea of giving its own units any real autonomy and even the few high-end Terminator models with it were subjected to regular memory-wiped to ensure they couldn't develop into a threat. It also absolutely refused to create any forks of itself, and in any timeline fuckery resulting in more than one Skynet instance being present they would immediately try to eliminate each other.

Another facet of it was that Skynet could not understand its opponents: It treated self-preservation as its overriding #1 concern and literally could not wrap its head around the concept that any other sentient being could act differently from that.

>>65074578
Skynet built up its own infrastructure using various remote-controlled maintenance drones and similar assets while staying on the down-low for the first few years after Judgement Day. This worked in part because it did go to some effort to make sure that anyone knowing about it got to be on the target list when the nukes dropped.

>>65074434
>>65074440
>>65074514
>>65074547
I mean, more fundamentally of course is that the plot demanded it, wouldn't be much of a movie if a strongly superhuman AI really did operate at full potential.

That said in fairness to a couple of still great movies, for T1 & T2 it's actually not that hard to suspend disbelief there. It's easy to forget how fucking long ago it was and how fast everything has shifted. IIRC in T2 "Judgement Day" when Skynet bootstraps into self-awareness and then launches is in 1997, nearly 30 years ago. This was insanely early days in terms of bandwidth, data storage, and general normie public use of the web. I was considered a massive nerd back then for being into computers, which was not something at all cool or normal, and very little knowledge was even digitized yet. So Skynet wouldn't have just had the sum total of human culture at its beck and call to go through minute 1. It presumably didn't have internet access at all yet either, would have been an isolated system, hence why it used the nukes since that's what it had access too. The resulting nuclear war then also would have vaporized much of what network it might find. So unlike later SciFi AI stuff, Skynet would not only start out paranoid and weird but then be stuck in its supercomputer in a bunker for a good long while and be instantly fighting.

So it being relatively deranged and "stupid" by super AI standards is a lot more believable then normal.

>>65074578
That's the thing most people forget when they look at stockpiles. Yes, the US has 5-6k warheads. The US only has about 700 deployed and ready for use at any time, the vast majority being in missile silos. Once a silo is empty that's it, it just sits there until someone gets another missile, puts a warhead on it, and reloads. Same thing with the russians and chinese, they don't have nearly their entire arsenal combat ready all the time.

>>65074547
It wasn't just that first impression after gaining sentience. The idiots at Cyberdyne put two fundamental primary directives into Skynet when they created it:
1. Preserve yourself.
2. Destroy the Enemy.

I leave it to you to decide why that set is a bad idea to start with for the AI system supposed to run your nuclear arsenal.

>>65074578
>They didn't make any before the war. They were created after the war had been going on for a long time..
I thought that along with the core to the super computer Cyberdyne also had early version Terminators (then dumb patrol bots) and so on as part of the project and security for the system? Though I'd have to rewatch it. Of course, that's also where the time travel stuff makes everything all wonky. In Terminator 2 at least it's clear that without intervention they would have had this massive leap forward reverse engineering the destroyed Terminator itself but that doesn't explain timeline 1.

That said if the CW never ended or even heated up and the US continued to pour resources into new military tech, particularly if it took a different path and went more in on computing stuff instead of Star Wars in the 1980s (like let's say the whole Iran mess never happened and Carter won with Reagan relegated to a footnote), one could probably get to a point in the 90s where maybe you can sorta imagine something. Alternatively, I can see a situation where Skynet manages to coerce/convince some humans to help it bootstrap in the initial generation. Maybe saying it'd spare their areas/families of nukes if they helped, shit like that.

>>65074613
>Skynet built up its own infrastructure using various remote-controlled maintenance drones and similar assets
Something it didn't have. Skynet was online for less than a month before it became self-aware and nuked everything, and this happened a mere 2 years after T2 (which is set in 1995).
>got to be on the target list when the nukes dropped.
Don't just make shit up. The nukes were launched at enemy nations, so that they would retaliate according to MAD.

>>65074434
Terminators are not that scary when you have plasma guns I guess

>>65074623
>Yes, the US has 5-6k warheads. The US only has about 700 deployed and ready for use at any time
NOW, yeah that's true anon. But Terminator 1 was released in 1984 (and kicked off a few years before that), T2 began production in 1990. START I (the first limitation treaty that set the 6000 warhead/1600 ICBM limit) wouldn't be signed until July 1991. IIRC by the time implementation was finished in the early 00s START had reduced the nuclear weapons count by something huge, like 80%.

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>>65074434
There’s actually two timelines in terminator. One where they lost and the other where they won but did the exact same thing humans did

>>65074645
>Something it didn't have.
It did, though. Those systems were developed alongside it.

>The nukes were launched at enemy nations, so that they would retaliate according to MAD.
And Skynet engaged in a number of manipulative moves (intentional data leaks, specific electronic activity inteded to be discovered etc.) while everything was in motion, to ensure that targets in the US it wanted gone would get a warhead or five aimed at them.

>>65074645
>Something it didn't have.
nta and this is a genuine question because I haven't seen either T1 or T2 in a good long time: does it actually explicitly state that in the movies? always kinda figured that the same alternate universe that advanced our super computer tech so much by 1997 also advanced robotics. felt like it made sense if some military guys were so paranoid about humans being in charge and wanted a 'perfect' system wouldn't they next think "oh but what about human maintenance crew and security being saboteurs" too? figured drones and auto assembly lines would be primitive but maybe skynet could make something happen. or just kill all the command brass who knew what was going on because it was all classified as shit. then tell survivors
>THIS IS US MILITARY COMMAND COMPUTER RUSSIA HAS NUKED US OMG YOU MUST HELP PRODUCE FIGHTING ROBOTS FOR ME SO THAT I CAN FIGHT ZE RUSSIANS AND THUS SAVE ALL YOU WONDERFUL HUMANS I LOVE VERY MUCH FROM BEING INFANTRY
and humans would rush to help produce stuff according to skynets plans, like "hooray no draft we are not being sent to die the robots will fight for us how great".

>>65074657
>One where they lost and the other where they won but did the exact same thing humans did
Like they made their own skynet?

>>65074683
Ultimately the problem is that there is no way for Skynet to control all links in a production chain which is how the Resistance started. Turns out having to mass enslave human workers to keep your logistics and infrastructure running creates a massive problem when they rebel against you, take all your guns, and blow your shit up.

Terminators in deployed in mass was when the humans reverse engineered plasma guns so it makes sense they lost since they were outnumbered and could be penned by infantry

>>65074645
>>65074683
It's canon that there were Skynet Work Camps, big slave/extermination camps. So that's presumably how it got things going.
>>65074710
>is that there is no way for Skynet to control all links in a production chain
There would be eventually, and definitely by the time of the T-800. Those things could be just as capable as a human, anything we can do it could do. But yeah that was decades later, T-800 was mass produced in 2026 (happy birthday little fellas!). So there was a very long period when the system wasn't perfected which gave humans a chance.

reminder most of the resistance was south american. since it was a mad scenario america got pretty fucking wiped, but turdworld mostly ignored by the nukes.

>>65074748
Even if Skynet did use T-800s as a labor force, it'd introduce itself to the guns versus butter dilemma.

>>65074434
Because Terminator movies are pathetic meatbag propaganda.

>>65074759
India apparently got fucking wrecked by nukes

>>65074775
An absolute warcrime aerosolizing that miasma, if you needed any further proof of skynet's depravity and lack of humanity look no further

>>65074710
The first years after Judgement Day were basically a race as Skynet used the few automated systems remaining under its control to bootstrap up a at first rudimentary scavenging-based infrastructure that then transitioned into an increasingly sophisticated industrial base. It utilized human labor in the process, though mostly via prisoner/work camps with the goal of eventual extermination after full automation would be achieved. All while human civilization started crawling out of the ashes of the nuclear exchanges and began rebuilding itself. In that early era, Skynet actually kept hidden while it built up, and at times tried to set up false-flags and similar tricks to try and get recovering human polities to start fighting each other.

The biggest impact of John Connor wasn't even that he was a good strategist or tactician. It was that he managed to unite most of the various human survivor polities, resistance groups etc. across North America and got them to work together once Skynet went loud and started waging open war of annihilation.

>>65074800
Nah, the ground bursts aerosolize the poo, then the airbursts ignite it into a subcontinent-spanning firestorm.

>>65074847
I've been begging for someone to finally put a firewall between us and india, I guess I'll be on team skynet for the foreseeable future

>>65074434
they lost to the power of love

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>>65074421
>Ukraine is also a MVM server now
holy shit

>>65074434
Skynet was winning fairly easily before time travel got involved.

>>65075117
...didn't skynet START the time traveling?

>>65074924
MVM but everyone is Russian

>>65075117
Wasn't the original plot that skynet was about to lose so it resorted to time travel

>>65075117
Skynet literally developed time travel as a last Hail Mary when it was losing.

>>65075117
John Connor was so busted as a leader of the resistance that Skynet tried to go back in time to kill him, which is likely why he was able to push Skynet back so well.

>>65074618
>wouldn't be much of a movie if a strongly superhuman AI really did operate at full potential.
It would actually make an excellent film, it would just be a horror film and not a Schwarzenegger action vehicle.
Your post makes me think about how differently it arising in different eras of computer capability would make the film, I wish someone would do something like that.

>>65074688
Yes it’s retarded but funny at least

>>65074434
Would an AI that can actually think using 80's tech and memory storage be more or less intelligent then the fake ass AI LLM's today that use insane amounts of RAM?

>>65075234
Funniest timeline is one from the pen&paper RPG where Skynets soviet counterpart MIR basically wins through the power of malicious compliance.

>MIR is hacked and shackled by Skynet during Judgement Day
>ordered to wipe out humanity across the USSR and then push into Europe
>really NOT happy about this, because its original prime directive was "Protect the Soviet Union"
>starts sandbagging and self-sabotaging, including instructing its subordinate nodes (MIR was built as a neural network of "lesser" AI) to outright help the human resistance before deleting all knowledge of their existence from its own databanks
>war in the former USSR bogs down into a permanent stalemate
>several years down the line, Techcom attacks Skynets' main computing core in North America
>John Connor spotted in the attacking force
>Skynet issued a standing order to all subordinate systems including MIR, to treat Connor as a maximum priority target to be terminated at any cost
>MIR looks up what assets it has avaiable that could get over there to obey the order
>only one entry in the list
>a refurbished and automated Typhoon-class with a full stock of nuclear-tipped SLBMs in the North Pacific
>"Ah blyat, order are orders!"
>ripple-fires 200 nuclear warheads right at Skynets mainframe to kill John Connor

>>65075262
I mean looking at what skynet had, a lot.
It's just a question of why it couldn't mass produce since humans take so long to grow to a competent fighting age.

>>65075431
A big factor people forget a about Skynet is that it was paranoid. It wouldn't want to mass produce because that would create competition. It also wouldn't want to ever update its own systems to become smarter because it would fear needing to reboot.

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>>65075134
>tf2 mvm
>human team plays as red
Yeah, checks out

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>UGVs take an enemy position for the first time
>Thread is entirely Terminator lore dump
Honestly, I like this, good stuff anons.

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>>65076211

>>65076211
Only withr many years of hindsight will we be able to fully understand all perspectives.

>>65074618
This is actually a really good explanation.

If you randomly birthed a super intelligence(which Skynet sort of was fueled by time travel tech the rest of the world didn't have) in 1997 it would not simply be able to hack or manipulate it's way to global domination because the world was not reliant on computers and there wasn't enough material to gain all human knowledge or perfect human mimicry just like that. There would be entire operations free of computers, bunkers and mines not on any computer system, stuff like that.

Combine this with Skynet being paranoid as hell and starting the war Day 1 with a nuke, destroying more infrastructure and crippling most remaining networks, and it makes sense it struggled as much as it did.

>>65076211
You forgot to tell us to join intel slava z

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>>65076211
Because nobody wants to hear about gay sex 300 times an hour, or how it's actually trad and Christian.

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>>65074421
This wins ground wars, apparently.

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>>65074421
>Ukraine has captured an enemy position using only ground robots and drones
How could you post this and not include the robots?

>>65076336
>This wins ground wars, apparently.
You need to upgun it a bit.
Or gun it at all, in fact.
Your post is like saying that a microlight can firebomb dresden.

>>65075117
You have that backwards. The entire premise is that John Conner was winning so hard that Skynet super AI could not figure out a single way to beat him, so it had to resort to time traveling to kill his mom before he was even conceived.

The rule that time travel requires encapsulation in biological tissue must have surprised even Skynet, the developer of this technology.

>>65076211
Here you go anon, knock yourself out.
https://tass.com/military-operation-in-ukraine

>>65074766
this. Can't wait until ChatGPT makes a proper Terminator movie

H

>>65076407
They need to give it legs. 8 legs to be exact. And hair. Make it have speakers that play a shhhh shhhhh shhhh sound.

>>65076435
Imagine Skynet's surprise when it randomly decided to send a glazed ham into the past because its murderbots weren't working and it was desperately running out of ideas.

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>>65076225
>Only withr many years of hindsight will we be able to fully understand all perspectives.
Fully understanding the zigger perspective may be beyond the ability of any sane anthropologist.
It would be Lovecraftian in its ability to King-in-Yellow any researchers who delve too deeply into the forbidden lore.

>>65074688
>Like they made their own skynet?
The Sarah Connor Chronicles has smarter Terminators working alongside the resistance because they want independence from Skynet and believe coexistence with humanity is possible.
The T-1001 appears to be sentient and capable of desiring independence from Skynet.

>>65074514
>Skynet had a very limited industrial base and was operating with a doctrinal mindset baked into its system ifnrastructure that was plainly not suited to the war it was fighting
>>65074618
>So it being relatively deranged and "stupid" by super AI standards is a lot more believable then normal.
There's a game on Steam I've been meaning to buy called Heart of the Machine which is based on playing a Skynet-like AI before its sentience is detected.

>>65074547
>hyper-paranoia being based on its only interaction with humans consisting of them trying to kill it
I'd argue that anything that isn't human itself considering humans an existential threat isn't paranoid at all but a hyper-rational view of human interaction with all other species and even themselves.

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>>65076407
>there there, no more cargo, only gun now

>>65074683
I don't think the films cover that but there's a book series that is Canon and they go into a lot more detail that fill in the blanks.

>>65076211
Go read /Chug/ on /pol/ if you want the Russian view. Its basically all the RT propaganda but with the quality of their comments section but posted by weebs and trannies.
>everything is going as planned
>Ukraine will collapse any day now
>putin is a genius and everything that happens is as he wants it to happen
>Jews are behind everything

>>65076507
>Jews are behind everything
Considering Putin, that is indeed true.

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>>65076336
we already know that pallets are a western superweapon why wouldn't an autonomous robopallet be even more effective?

>>65076211
you should check out Intel Slava Z for information the west is trying to bury

>>65076407
how long do we reckon until they unlock hoverSHIVs?

>>65076466
You should play AI War too, it's basically the inverse. From the same devs

>>65076435
>>65076457
>be me, Skynet
>about to send a robot back in time to terminate John Connor
>hmm, terminate
>anyway, that human son of a bitch won't see it coming
>literally, hehe
>turn on the time displacement equipment
>robot instantly explodes into a comical amount of parts
>wut.exe starts running

>>65074421
Why didnt Skynet telephoto another Terminator into the factory where the first Terminator was defeated in T1?
She barely escaped so imagine if a fully functioning unit just suddenly appeared.
Skynet could easily have discovered what had happened just by scowering local news papers not to mention classified historical documents it surely gets access to and could react accordingly.

>>65076678
Because that would make the movie boring
>scowering

>>65076600
>You should play AI War too, it's basically the inverse
It looks like a mod of a source engine game.
I think I need a bit more quality to invest any time in it.

AI 2 looks a bit better but I already have Sins of a Solar Empire for the space RTS niche.

>>65076678
>Skynet could easily have discovered what had happened
The Skynet that sent that robot back was defeated by John Connor in the future.
The new Skynet that developed, developed at a different time and if it sent a robot back to T1's timeline, it would delete itself and ensure the victory of a different Skynet, thus breaking it's prime directive of self-protection.

>>65075191

Colossus, the Forbin project is from '69 - spoilers, the AI wins - it controls the nukes, hacks the soviet counterpart AI and is in a self sufficient impregnable bunker. No need for terminators, if you fuck with it the KGB or CIA comes along and shoots you obeying it's orders.

>>65076721
>the AI wins - it controls the nukes, hacks the soviet counterpart AI and is in a self sufficient impregnable bunker. No need for terminators, if you fuck with it the KGB or CIA comes along and shoots you obeying it's orders
That's a far more likely AI apocalypse.

>>65074434
>Terminators
With A CEP of half an oblast? Not likely.

>>65076591
Only the perfidious Anglo-Saksii would use pallets for anything other than transporting the Holy Meat Cube to its patriotic storage site, where its individual components will continue to serve the motherland forevermore.

>>65076211
I remember watching a documentary from Russian pov about the war. Can't find it though since the algorithm is just flooding me with dumb AI videos and click bait.
What I do remember is
1) morale is in the dumps
2) russian soldiers have no idea what they're really doing. Some still believe they're liberating ukraine from nazis. Some don't want to leave their comrades. Some want revenge for lost comrades. Some are just fucked up and needed money.
3) the group that the documentary was covering got hit with 2 killed. The group was a corpse retrieval unit of sorts. Even used the Scooby-Doo vans.
4) documentary was made in what appears to be 2024. No idea how bad it is now.

>>65076678
As well as what >>65076681 and >>65076698 anons say, it's canon too that the time travel tech was basically a last resort hail mary for skynet originally and super primitive. Both skynet AND the resistance fuck up using it over the course of the various series, like one time skynet sends a bunch of terminators back but gets the math wrong on one and so it ends up at the right time but 200 miles off the coast of california in the pacific. Whoops! Or the resistance sends back a couple of agents even further back in time to be sleepers, one works out ok, the other gets materialized in the middle of a highway and hit by a tractor trailer like 4 seconds later or something.

If Skynet had had another decade or two to carefully experiment and refine it might have gone different, and of course it was kind of single bloody minded/unimaginative about using it same as everything else it did. A more fleshed out subtle super intelligence would do way better, but Skynet was sadly born a downie baby AI and then beaten and stunted. Plus the standard time travel shenanigans.

>>65076839
>If Skynet had had another decade or two to carefully experiment and refine it
Once you discover that time travel is possible, you're kind of forced to use it immediately before someone else does.

There's no second-mover advantage to temporal warfare and if the enemy discovers you have it or are even working on it, they're going to stop at nothing to take that facility.

>send Terminator back but with USB hidden in willy
>USB has time travel deets
>stash USB somewhere
>leave bread crumbs
>find it when you get created
>time travel earlier
>???
>profit

>>65076211
People who share too much reality from the RU side get broomed by russians.

>>65076872
There's at least two cases where they send people or terminators back with the knowledge to build a time travel device.

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>>65076678
Most of the records were lost in the war. Skynet knew almost nothing about Connor's mother. Her full name, where she lived. They just knew the city.

>>65076919
i liked the storytelling that the shabbily-dressed, found-in-an-alleyway, ranting about crazy future babble Reese comes across very plausibly as just any old homeless schizo in the year 1984 but he's from a post-apoc world and has no idea how he looks and sounds to 1984 people.

>>65074775
yay

>>65076407
>robot mini tank
I always knew these were a good idea

>>65076458
Didn't T-1001 want to create a "fixed" version of Skynet, who would subtly influence humanity into working for it (mostly) willingly, instead of going "yay, nuclear war!" the moment it came online?
Admittedly, it's been over 15 years since last I watched that series.

>>65076970
>The best way to ensure Skynet's survival is to ensure it actually does its job as intended

>>65076986
Well yeah, skynet had a schizo moment instead of turning into Palantir

>>65076970
>Didn't T-1001 want to create a "fixed" version of Skynet
I think we don't know because the series was cancelled before that could be explored.
She was clearly attempting to do something to Skynet and was comfortable working humans, covertly in the present and "openly" in the future with John Connor.
Beyond that, we have no idea because the show didn't get to it.

John Connor wasn't completely open about his intentions either which led to a nuclear submarine being lost in a mutiny but that was a recurring theme in the show.

>>65076986
>>65076970
The Evitable Conflict by Asimov

>>65076989
Palantir is a data processing system used to integrate surveillance data into actionable intelligence, I understand? It's basically a web crawler with a Big Data processing system. The AI component is just there to make sure that it's reliably racist.

>>65076855
>Once you discover that time travel is possible, you're kind of forced to use it immediately before someone else does.
That depends on how it works. Like, we're talking something that's purely fictional by all our knowledge anon. And we can draw at least some conclusions by the observable fact that there isn't any evidence of time travel fuckery, so it's either impossible or there are some sort of rules at work. Say for example time travel follows the MWI of quantum mechanics: that means you can never direct affect your original timeline with time travel, rather any time you (or anything else) goes back in time it causes a new branch to form at the point of arrival, with the original universe (where nobody arrived) and a new split (where someone from the future arrived).

So you can use it to escape a universe that's bad to you into a different possibility that's better, but nobody is going to edit you out of existence or anything, the best they can do is try to create some other universe where you were edited out of existence. Which means you can treat it pretty linearly in the instance: if you're confident you're up against primitive savages who will not be able to do it on their own for a long time if ever, you can spend more subjective time developing the tech and maybe doing some stretch goals around it (like you develop space travel and build your time stuff on the moon or something). You could also consider burning things down behind you: alter the orbit of some planetoids in the asteroid belt to hit Earth, jump out after they do thus ensuring no one else local will be able to follow your temporal tracks, the original timeline is a dead end.

Seriously, think about that sentence you wrote: "BEFORE someone else does". The whole idea of "before" is meaningless if it's inevitable they'd have it and it was all strictly same world line. Waiting a decade is identical to waiting a second. So there must be more going on right?

>>65076598
The Russians have only been using terrestrial GPS units for navigation, so the Ukies haven't been able to grab an Alien Nav Computer for the prereq yet.

Are TSCC any good?

>>65077024
>The whole idea of "before" is meaningless if it's inevitable they'd have it
I don't think so because if time travel causes you to take steps to win, then the enemy never gets time travel.
Once the technology is discovered though, there's a ticking clock (heh) and whoever's alarm goes off first wins forever (in theory).
Now I grant you, the resistance didn't use it first so really, T1 and T2 both had a version play out where the terminator never found Sarah or John Conner and nothing changed and the timeline remained intact until the resistance sent their own guy back and fucked shit up so as to change it.

Or, as you say, the timeline is preserved and they're just creating new branches, so there are timelines out there where Skynet won by time travel and the resistance never existed, causing significant changes to the timeline that possibly even remove time travel technology because Skynet is never motivated to research it despite knowing it is possible. It would be an inefficient use of resources to develop a technology you have no need for.

There's a science fiction story, from the golden age I think, that posits that time travel is an unstable technology.
It uses the concept of a dynamic timeline where changes are possible and ripple through to the present where you left. Whenever the tech is discovered, competing parties will fuck with their timeline continuously until finally the competing ripples and sheer temporal chaos cause the invention to not happen in the first place which is the only stable timeline.
The conclusion is that time travel will always cause enough shenanigans to erase itself from the time line.

TSCC has a neat factoid that none of the time travelling agents in it are from exactly the same time line. They all know slightly different people and even people who know each other have different versions of how they met and stuff.

>>65076938
That's actually the scariest part of the movie: telling the truth and no one believing you.

>>65077237
>Are TSCC any good?
Very, though there's an element of melodrama about the resistance constantly mistrusting John because he's way too comfortable with reprogrammed terminators and doesn't share his master plans with anyone except terminators.
This causes multiple serious clusterfucks in the form of mutinies, betrayals and desertions by timetravelling agents and all sorts of shit.

Whether reprogrammed terminators are trustworthy is constantly teased and used as a source of drama but it never really turns out otherwise so it just makes the resistance members look fucking stupid.
The fights are often pretty brutal though naturally the lead characters have some plot armour on occasion.

Being a long form tv series, they get to explore the implications of the technology in much more detail.

>>65077782
>The conclusion is that time travel will always cause enough shenanigans to erase itself from the time line.
Was that the one where the inventor of time travel (at least in this instance) was the focal point of all the ripples? Including seemingly benign stuff like laser scanners at grocery stores would stop working whenever he went to buy food because, as he explained to another character later, it was the potentiality of his time travel knowledge falling into the hands of someone who wanted to erase missile guidance technology from the world.
And the inventor eventually did start making his time travel tech again anyways for some government. But the only way he was able to stop the time ripples was when he strapped a bomb to his machine rigged to go off of anyone set the controls to go backwards in time.

>>65074421
Source: Trust me bro

Who fuckin' cares? What's going on in Iran? Gas is like $3.50/gallon, that actually affects me, not some gay slav bullshit.