I have a few splash & go stones from shapton and naniwa which only need to be wet on the surface to work correctly, but i prefer the true waterstones from yoshihiro and norton which need to be submerged in water for ~5 min so they can suck it up like a sponge. I judge my stones based on how fast they remove metal from my blades and by that metric my yoshihiro crushes my other stones for sharpening and honing my blades. Idk what sort of bionic shit yoshihiro does with their waterstones but its very cool to watch drops of water on the surface just disappear like something out of a movie. As for oil stones and diamond stones: using oil stones i think would be about as clean feeling as fucking a constipated person in the ass and not taking a shower afterwards, and diamond stones are only good until the thin layer of diamond wears off, and then you are just sitting there jacking off your knife for no reason.
>>65079832Besides the fact that this is an ad, plenty of stones are porous it's not magic.Granite, limestone and sandstone are common rocks that all absorb water unless coated.
>>65079832i suck at holding an angle on a stone so i just sharpen it until a burr forms on both sides and then strop the fuck out of it with a polishing compound to break it off, works well enough for kitchen knives to get them adequately sharp, would probably also make them razor sharp if i had an electric buffing wheel instead of an old leather belt for a strop.
>>65079840Its still cool tho…
>>65079850I got this thing recently and the stropping wheel opposite the wetstone wheel is great for stropping the shit out of my blades in 30 seconds. My current procedure is to use the 3000 grit bucktool water stone wheel i bought to replace the oem 220 grit wheel on the Wen, then 10k on my yoshihiro flat waterstone, then strop on the leather stropping wheel on the wen, then stropping using a traditional leather strop to finish. I might adjust my procedure in the future but either way its fun to learn what works and what doesnt work as i go along. Its pretty crazy how much quality shit you can buy from china for hardly any money.
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>>65079895I got a set of these about 10 years ago on a cheap little bench grinder after I sharpen them to a burr on my belt grinder with some 120-180grit. I think I've re-gritted the abrasive disc once and its due for another resurface at some point soon. But its really easy with machines that have angle guides, you'd have to be trying pretty hard to fuck it up
>>65079832You're basically describing the porosity and how hard the bond is of the stone. Softer stones with a weaker bond soak up the water like you describe. They build up "mud" much faster and they cut more quickly. The downside is that they also wear out and dish more quickly, which means you need to flatten them more often. It's a trade-off.>>65079895Have you dressed your wheel yet or is it still wobbling?
>>65079832Splash n go are best for the average dude since you don't have to dedicate a tub to soak them in.Don't go oil, pain in the cock to clean the stone and clean up after. Diamonds are good, stop buying AliExpress shit. >>65079905Those are great, it's what the sharpeners at MT used to finish the knives.
>>65079832I prefer the feel of soaky mud stones and the finish is subjectively nicer but I am never going back after switching to shapton GS, it just isn't worth the annoyance>>65079840Yeah I'm sure naniwa is running ads on 4chan lol
>>65079832I use coarse porous stones for removing metal, I think king brand 220. I bought two of those and rub them together occasionally when they're out of flat.For honing I use natural oil stones. With fine water stones I always end up with very fine dust on the tools and woodworking tools should be kept lightly oiled anyway.
>>65079895that's way too many steps>3000 grit bucktool water stone>then 10k on my yoshihiro flat waterstoneand going past 2000 prior to stropping is pointless if you're using a polishing compoundyou can get a knife decently sharp with just 1000 grit, anything beyond is for very fine polishing.
What are you guys sharpening with these high grit stones? Even on my kitchen knives I only go over 1k when I'm feeling autismo. And I assume you guys are mostly sharpening your tactical ninja box cutter EDC blades which are going to want a kind of toothy edge anyway? And they're all made of super steel with xbox hueg carbides so why bother?
>>65080324even "big" carbides are really fucking tiny, there's value to be had in sharpening them at higher grits. But personally I like a toothy edge (400 grit tops)
>>65080308dont bother with that whetstone guy somethings wrong with him mentally. he doesnt listen to advice and keeps bringing up the same shit like people care. hes either the worst marketer or using /k/ like a blog. nothing you tell him will change him. he just does what he wants.
>>65080324It's a phase people into sharpening go through. Back about 25 years ago on Bladeforums, I used a belt sander to get my splitting maul shaving sharp to win a bet. It was a long time ago, but I want to say that I went up to #2000 before I hit it with the chromium oxide and leather.These days my fancy kitchen knives only go up to #800. The slicing ability goes to shit if you polish it past that, and a lot of kitchen work is slicing. I want a toothy edge there.>super steel with xbox hueg carbides so why botherIf your stone's harder than the carbides (and you're gentle), you can grind the carbides too. You're using diamonds on those super steels, right?>>65081743Nonsense. I enjoy his tales of wrecking shitty Chinese razors with power tools. He's having fun and he's not molesting quality steel, so I don't see the harm in that. I do wish that he'd buy a banner and stop samefagging his threads for bumps though.
>>65079905Nice. Do your discs need to be wet to work properly?
>>65080022I thought it was porosity that determined how much water a stone absorbed. >Have you dressed your wheel yet or is it still wobbling?The bucktool 3000 water stone wheel i got has zero wobble. I shaved it flat with a nagura stone tho bc it had tiny parallel ridges. Now it is completely flat.
>>65080161What is mt?Also i think splash and go stones like shaptons are more work bc u have to continue keeping the surface wet. With waterstones you soak them in a kitchen platter dish for 5 min then they are wet enough that you dont have to worry much about rewetting the surface like you have to do with shaptons.
>>65080177Oil stones give me the ick. Being covered in oil makes me feel like i was just pushed out of somebodys asshole.
>>65080308I know its overkill but im sort of a concept fetishist so my goal is to try to make edges as sharp as humanly possible just for shits and giggles.
>>65080324Straight razors mostly bc im not good at holding a consistent angle.
>>65081924Thanks for backing me up man. I might have Aspergers bc when i get into a hobby like guns or blade honing i obsess about the details and i guess some ppl think im crazy bc of it. I dont mean to samefag, i will put a banner up from now on.
>>65082073No water needed, you put a light coat of beeswax on the grit-wheel and a light dab of white polishing wax on the polish wheel to take off the burr.Also-set up the grinder so its revolving away from you!Doesn't take long to do it properly once you've got the hang of it and just like a stone, maintain your presentation to the work surface equally from honing to polish and I usually go through 5 passes each side on the grit and 5-6 passes on the polish to remove the burr and done. As a semi-regular knife maker its really the only way to stay sane when you have a batch of about a dozen knives and if I had to do those on stones I'd go a bit crazier
>>65079832hey look it's the retarded knife sharpening kit for people who buy retardedly expensive knives. You know what they say about a fool and his money.
>>65082094One of these ought to be right up your alley.
>>65082125Cool. Do you ever worry about overheating the blade and destroying the temper tho?
>>65082218No, its essentially light draw cutting motion on the wheel, you're not applying pressure or holding it in one spot. The waxes also keep the friction down as wellFor my belt grinder its got a VSD on it so sometimes I'll just run a slow 800grit belt on it, sharpen and then take it to the polishing wheel to remove the burr, a lot of more serviceable, basic cutting edges I think somewhere in the 3-400grit do just fine with a bit of coarseness for soft materials.You can also do a hybrid sharpen of say, 240 on one side, 800-1000 on the other and a polish to do burr removal and I find that's really good for some soft fruits and tomatoes
>>65082133Its a fun hobby tho man. You could make the same argument for ppl who spend thousands building RC airplanes. Like >“omg you retards are spending thousands of dollars to fly around miniature fake airplanes?” At the end of the day its just bc its fun. I think the idea of creating an edge that can pass the hanging hair test is pretty cool and fun. If that makes me retarded then so be it.
>>65082234Is your 800 grit belt grinder just a normal sanding belt?
>>65082240Sharpening knives isnt a hobby. Its just basic maintinance.
>>65082253I have to maintain my hobbies
>>65082280You need help. Please seek help. When 4 chans the one telling you this its bad.
>>65082251No they're a compound abrasive Trizact belt
>>65079832>$100I sharpen my knives on a wet coffee mug, what is wrong with you
