.30 luger is slept on and i wish it would make a comeback. With modern pressures and bullet design it should basically be .357 sig but for .30 cal>more sectional density>high velocity>good expansion with well designed bullets>same capacity as 9mm>bottlenecked feeding reliability>just cool as fuck all aroundMeanwhile all you can do is get a cuck conversion barrel for shitty glocks
If there was a market for it, .30 SC wouldn't have died since it's the same thing but better.
>>6508065852k psi is a bit much, .30 luger could easily be 40k just as .357 sig is. Only downside is it doesnt take .312 bullets like .30 sc, .327 mag, .32 h&r, .32 s&w long(and even .32 acp) all do where at least .32 s&w long still has fairly common usage in target shooting
>>65080670You could just use lighter loads, the pressure of .30 SC is so high because it's supposed to have similar muzzle energy to 9mm, but .30 Luger has less energy than 9mm for a given load since it has a smaller swept area. Maybe .30 SC would have survived if they'd offered factory light loads closer to 7.65 French Long, but I doubt it. It wasn't the pressure that killed the cartridge, it was the lack of demand for .30 caliber pistols.
>>65080670>asks for modern pressures>is given modern pressures>nooo not like that!!!
>>65081142>It wasn't the pressure that killed the cartridge, it was the lack of demand for .30 caliber pistols.The purest, finest, distilled copium..30 Super Carry failed because : - The ONLY thing it offered was more capacity in a platform that already has a minimum 15+1. There is no conceivable situation in which a civilian is going to find themselves where 20 rounds in a single mag is going to get the job done where 15 wouldn't.- It was released at a time when releasing ANY new cartridge, even a good one, would have been difficult if not impossible to begin with. Between economic stress, panic buying, shortages, etc, and other pandemic effects; the vast majority of consumers couldn't care less about the shiny new thing. Everyone just wanted thing that was proven to work. Add resentment from folks mad that components were being used on shiny new thing that could have been used on thing that was proven to work; and that extra demand for those components was driving up cost of thing proven to work because there was greater demand for component supply; and you get a consumer base that wants nothing to do with it.- All of two guns chambered for it on release. Neither of which offered anything beyond more capacity. They weren't offered at super low cost, or with free red dots, or three extra magazines, or any real enticement to help a new buyer mentally offset the cost of expensive new caliber versus cheap 9mm or .380. - It was just a shit idea that even in a time of economic and material plenty would probably have failed because (again) its ONLY advantage over other calibers in the same platform is capacity. And in that platform you're already at "more than enough to get the job done" capacity.
>>65081239>two gunsAhem.
>>65081336That came out like 2 years after, the $4000 nightcawk came out a few months after the incredibly interesting choice of lineup by smith and wesson
>>65081239Should've made a variant of the FPC that took quad-stacks.
>>65081450And a fullsize m&p and and and- oh well
>>650805547.65mm Luger is just nutless 7.62mm Tokarev.
>>65081779I would also love some 7.62 tokarev but its only available in a gay shitty singlestack gun and doesnt even have a glonk conversion barrel or anything like that
>>65081239>The ONLY thing it offered was more capacity in a platform that already has a minimum 15+1. There is no conceivable situation in which a civilian is going to find themselves where 20 rounds in a single mag is going to get the job done where 15 wouldn't.Okay, so why would a cartridge with identical performance but no additional capacity do any better? There are literally no advantages to .30 Luger over 9mm.
>>65080554>.30 Luger makes a comeback>You don't buy it because you people never buy the shit you make these threads about
>>65081787Can you really get Glock barrels in .30 Luger? Who the fuck buys them?
>>65080554It's an indictment of our billionaire class that there are no pet projects to do things like that, or new production historical pieces. >>65081239>There is no conceivable situation in which a civilian is going to find themselves where 20 rounds in a single mag is going to get the job done where 15 wouldn't.2A was not conceived with petty personal protection in mind. There are 200k 'Special Interest Aliens' + 20k known terrorists *that the gubmint knowns of* thanks to the Corn Pop Admin. Tet Offensive scale bullshit from entire divisions of combat veteran spooks from the four corners of the earth is hardly 'inconceivable'. The average emergency services response time will be multiples of the current 50 minutes. Which is not to excuse .30 SC being vaporware.
>>65082352>2A was not conceived with petty personal protection in mind.So? What does that have to do with the discussion?>uh it means muh rights andNobody cares retard. We're talking about pistols. >corn popTrump is letting them in too and refuses to build the wall, remove illegals, or even kick out Haitians to go back to hell where they belong.>Tet Offensive scale bullshit from entire divisions of combat veteran spooks from the four corners of the earth is hardly 'inconceivable'.It's retarded and if it happens it will be a false flag orchestrated by the Republican party with the express purpose of getting retards like you to accept a draft to send White Americans to die for Israel.Making your pistol suck for carry isn't going to make it any more suitable for war. Stop being retarded.
>>65081239There's no reason someone couldn't have chambered it in a pocket carry subcompact.
>>65081816I'm not OP. I'm not making an argument for .30 Luger. I'm here to shit on .30 Super Carry because it deserves to be shit upon.>>65082656A subcompact isn't a pocket carry unless you're wearing cargo pants/shorts.Even sub compact handguns typically have at least a 10+1 capacity which is more than enough to get the job done.I'm pretty sure there are engineering reasons why you don't put a 52,000 psi cartridge in a sub compact or smaller frame pistol. Probably not because it can't be done, but because it's really expensive to properly do and thus you're offering a gun that's twice the price and it's only selling point versus its 1/2 price competitor is 2 more rounds. I could be completely wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure 52,000 psi kinda nixes the idea of simple blow back operation in that size frame. It might not even work well with a Browning style tilting barrel design given you'll need a more robust chamber and barrel to handle the pressure so you're talking more weight in a gun where one of the major considerations/selling/competition points is going to be light weight.
>>65083269>semanticsWhatever, just chamber the S&W Bodyguard 2.0 in .30 SC and it becomes the absolute unquestionably best defensive handgun on the market if it wasn't already.>I'm pretty sure there are engineering reasons why you don't put a 52,000 psi cartridge in a sub compact or smaller frame pistol. Well I can tell you straight up that there are no engineering reasons why you couldn't do just that.
>itt name all the shitty obsolete cartridges (but call them "calibers") and make retarded "but what about" statementsLol, sexless nerds.
>>650834529mm is better than .30SC
>>65080554Get out of my head OP, I've been mulling over building a PCC AR in .30 Luger with a KAK barrel like pic related (but with MP34 stylings instead of Thompson ones) for the past month and now the brainworm has fully seated>>65082249Bar-Sto makes .30 Luger Glock barrels, IGB Austria also makes them. The IGB ones are sold as "7.65 Parabellum" because that's what the CIP calls it..30 Luger is the parent case of 9mm, so it works in all 9mm guns and mags, just requiring a barrel swap and a lighter recoil spring. For PCCs you have to play with bolt weight though, which is less easy.There is a sizeable demand for them in Europe because of the cartridge being so common in Switzerland and Austria (CH used it until the 60s in their army), but in the US it's moreso a case of "what else can I do with this pile of surp ammo I bought with this Swiss Luger" and richfags/autists trying to out-niche each other.>t. autist
>>65083452>Well I can tell you straight up that there are no engineering reasons why you couldn't do just that.And I can tell you that I'm employed by a US government alphabet agency; that doesn't make it true. Unless you have some kind of expertise in the field of engineering guns that you're willing to prove; I'm not going to take your word for it.And I'll repeat that while I don't think it's impossible, I do think it is not economically feasible/competitive. Which means nobody is going to do it even if it can be done.In the end though, it doesn't matter if it should, could, would, or can be done. It doesn't change the simple fact that .30 super carry is a sub par idea, that was poorly executed, and at the worst possible time.
>>65083452>no engineering reasonsWell for one the .30 sc has the same overall length as 9mm, which is longer than .380 by a good amount and also at a much much MUCH higher pressure. At the absolute least the gun would be a few mm longer(in the magwell and the chamber) and heavier
>>65080554>talk about .30 luger>retards immediately start fagging out about .30 super carryAre there bots with a .30 text detector or something?
>>65084173>talk about dead .30 catridge>people bring up a very similar modern .30 cartridgegee I can't imagine why. You'll never believe this but if you start talking about wanting more guns in 6.5x55, people will suggest 6.5 Sneedmoor.
>>65084154>PCC AR in .30 Luger with a KAK barrel like pic relatedLooks bad ass, I'll say that.
>>65084173>Are there bots >>65084299I SHOOT 10MM!>>65084299I recommend 6mmCM or .300PRC anything except what you want to know about.
>>65083269>I'm here to shit on .30 Super Carry because it deserves to be shit upon.That's fine, I'm just confused why you'd quote my post stating that there's no demand for a .30 caliber pistol, tell me I'm wrong, and then go on a rant about why there's no demand for a .30 caliber pistol.The facts are:>.30 SC is dead for a reason>.30 SC is more powerful than .30 Luger but could be loaded to the same level>.30 SC has greater capacity than .30 LugerSo we can all agree that OP is a retard and there's less than zero reason for anyone to ever use this this obsolete meme cartridge?
>>65084330>That's fine, I'm just confused why you'd quote my post stating that there's no demand for a .30 caliber pistol, tell me I'm wrong, and then go on a rant about why there's no demand for a .30 caliber pistol.Because you lack reading comprehension.The problem isn't a lack of demand for a pistol in .30 caliber.The problem is .30 super carry is garbage.If there was a .30 caliber pistol that did something significantly better than other pistols then there would be demand for a .30 caliber pistol. For example, if our theoretical .30 caliber pistol was chambered for a round that had demonstrably better terminal performance on target, then there would be demand for that pistol.It's the cartridge that's the problem, not the caliber.
>>65084877>For example, if our theoretical .30 caliber pistol was chambered for a round that had demonstrably better terminal performance on targetShorten 7.62x39 to 30mm OAL and load it to 65 ksi and it will have demonstrably better terminal performance than any handgun cartridge on the market, but people still won't buy it. People by and large aren't interested in things that are better, they want ammo that's cheap and plentiful and well-proven.
these obscure caliber seethe topics are kekworthy
