https://defence-industry.eu/fincantieri-marine-group-wins-initial-u-s-navy-contract-to-begin-work-on-medium-landing-ship-program/
>>65083423Good. They need to be able to build something over dere in Escanaba to keep the yard open, eh. Its the only military shipyard we have that's not on the coast, eh.
>>65083423too bad, I wish our industries would stop working with the US.
>>65085513>wish our industries would stop workingWhy do you want to take food out from the babies mouths? Why are you so cruel?
>>65085540Because any military/industrial relationship with the US is detrimental to our sovereignty.
>>65085513I wish our government would stop working with shipyards that have repeatedly proven themselves incapable of building good products on time. It's unreal how much more functional the HII, GD, and Austal shipyards are than FMM.
Can't wait for this to be canceled after making 5 ships
>>65085709It's not our fault americans can't into shipbuilding.
>>65085543The fuck kind off bullshit are you smoking? What is detrimental about it?Fincantieri is aiming for a contract because they have free design capacities and will have free production capacities in the foreseeable future.It's not like they are blowing up a dozen Italian ships mid-construction to make space.If they didn't go for the contract they'd have to find work elsewhere and either lose money and fire people or ger propped up by tax dollars.And it's not like they don't get expertise and institutional knowledge from it.
>>65083423I don't think Fincantieri as European company should even compete for Trumpland contracts. These losers are never going to win any contracts. Instead they should seek for new markets like China.
>>65085849>ohh you rike a build a ship for a china? okay...Then you spend billions of dorrar, build shipyard in a China, then your competitor builds one next to you, normal China busziness, then your competitor buys all your employees, no probrem, then they start puttign out the same ships as you, then your venture go bankrupt oh no, then they buy your shipyard, and build your ships there.
>>65085543It's the opposite. Housing shipyards gives you leverage over our dying ship industry.
>>65083423So will the US navy change the already agreed upon design half a dozen times before the contract gets ultimately cancelled 5 years later?
>>65085543Baby killer.
FMM USA only won the contract because they were able to visit LST 393 at its museum on Lake Michigan (their yard is also on Lake Michigan) and take design cues from it.
This was what the Navy promised when they killed future Constellation-class buys.This was how they prevented Fincantieri from suing the government.
>>65085725Funny how it doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone but pastaniggers.
>>65085513Why? Even if we do a Trump and pretend trade is a zero sum game, selling to the US is a good thing, right?
>>65086491with the current administration it is not much different than directly helping Russia.
>>65083423>Giving FMM more workThe USN deserves what is going to happen to it. At least its only on an aux ship, but it still kills me that they just keep throwing good (taxpayer) money after bad.
>>65086208More like, funny how it seems to be a problem only for mutts. Everybody else in the world can easily churn out ships on budget, on time. But only you can't.
>>65086112Show proof
Oh joy its the "everything wrong with the navy is this one guy involved with the lcs program" idiot. He's always a treat to talk with.
>>65086596https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2025/11/26/us-navy-nixes-constellation-frigate-program-after-two-ships-half-built> Fincantieri said it expected to receive new orders for “amphibious, icebreaking and other special mission” ships to compensate for lost business.The US navy are the ones who broke the contract and thus they "owe" them ~$2B in future orders. The landing ships will be part of that $2B.
>>65086609>and thus they "owe" them ~$2B in future orders.This is the part you have yet to demonstrate and which was the obvious extreme claim requiring extreme evidence.
>>65086613...you really can't read an article?> On top of the aforementioned award of future orders, in order to cover the above, the agreement indemnifies Fincantieri Marine Group, on existing economic commitments and industrial impacts through measures provided by the U.S. Navy, as a result of the contractual decision made for its own convenience> Sources in Italy told Defense News the work on the six frigates had been worth $5.5 billion. Continuing work on the first two, plus indemnities agreed with the U.S. government, would be worth $3 billion, while new orders planned would be worth $2 billion.
>>65086617Yes, I am aware that FMM is making claims to the press. Has the USN given any indication that is actually the case? Why are you taking the PR releases of a corporation as gospel?
>>65086622Because legally the navy can't confirm it, they don't write the budget.But it's a pretty safe bet because, again, the US Navy has publicly said they intend to maintain that specific shipyard's capabilities, which means they HAVE to give them contracts.If they get the remaining ~30 or so landing ships after these first 4 the total contract value would be around a quarter billion dollars. There is no confirmation because the navy legally can't write a contract assuring that it WILL happen, but they're making a pinky promise.
>>65086589>Everybody else in the world can easily churn out ships on budgetBy everyone else you mean, only China, Korea, and Japan?
>>65086682the french, the dutch, the italians, the spanish granted the brits have had problems of their own and depending on to whom you direct the blame the french and australians where alos in the shitter over the diesel suffren
>>65086564Explain how.Unless they are literally sending those landing ships as aid to Russia, how is taking US money helping Russia? You fucking retard.
>>65086640>legally Navy can't confirm because budgetNTA Congress doesn't sign acquisition contracts, sport. Neither does DoD(W). The service of record that let the RFP out does. You were doing okay until you stepped on your dick with that.
>>65086682French seem to be building ships just fine. Italians build ships just fine. Germany builds ships just fine. Only the UK, Canada and the US have shit the bed when it comes to military shipyards
>>65085513Behold, the smartest Euroid
>>65086640>But it's a pretty safe bet becauseIts always this. When pushed the answer always amounts to "trust me bro." Its so fucking tiresome.The whole fucking point is that I don't/can't just trust some random anon. Either say its a fact and support it or just admit its your strong conviction. Are you that fucking insecure that you are afraid that someone could have a different outlook from you?
>>65086694The current US administration is clearly not an ally of Italy, Europe or the EU. The whole hormuz fiasco and the way Americans online gloat about screwing Europe over with fuel shortages is quite telling and I am willong to bet that if Trump could, he would openly give Russia support againt Ukraine. Denmark should have spiked all the insulin and Ozempic shipmnet to the US with asbestos fibers.
"Add VLS, Aegis, a flight deck, and railguns." - US Navy (probably)
>>65086775That sounds more like your average /k/ armchair "naval engineer," than the USN. They are the ones that have decided to not put VLS/AEGIS on the LCS and FF(X) and as a result gotten no end of flak on here.>flightdeckYou mean like a fixed wing capable flightdeck on a carrier or you mean a helo one? Because the latter is pretty much a staple on any moderndecently sized ship, regardless of country of origin.
>>65086767>I am willong to bet that if Trump could, he would openly give Russia support againt UkraineWhat's stopping him?
>>65086589Meanwhile, Austal and NASSCO are presenting designs that aren't shit and presenting them on time and on budget. You can bitch and moan about how Electric Boat and Newport News are behind schedule and over budget, but the shit they're building is a century ahead of anything the rest of the world could manage, and there's inherent risk in developing new technologies.Meanwhile, everything that comes out of Marinette is worthless dogshit, it's not even remotely innovative in any sense, and it's somehow just as much of a shitshow as the top end stuff. If you want to see evidence of an American shipbuilding boondoggle, it's in the fact that FMM still exists, and the fact that we continue to shovel money into that absolute void of success.
>>65086613He already provided clear and convincing evidence. This isn't a criminal trial you mong.
>>65089058You can lead a horse to water.I gave up replying to him.
