>robodog>robodog with wheels>a dinky ar with a 30 rounder instead of a lmg for longer operation timewhat's the though process behind it?
>>65086744>Only 30rounds>Just stay behind cover for 30™ bullets And thats why God gave man the ability to reload so they could defeat the ai
>>65086744proof of concept. when, not if, they get deployed im sure they wll of weapons specifically made for them instead of whatever they have off the shelf.
>>65086744AFAIK those are used for hostage rescue and recon. The robots chinks use for long operation times are like picrel
>>65086744it needs to come with one of those ball launchers you can buy from the pet store, but fit it to hurl grenades, and make the dog's face from duck hunt when you miss 3x every time it throws one.
>>65086744Out beta mag on it.>it's out of business Oh..
>>65086744>what's the though process behind it?Hardware rich development program. They're being experimented with by random groups with ideas and small startups and such, not a Western-style big bloated MIC with billions of dollars on tap. They had these guns on hand. They're cheap. They're good enough to try stuff out and get to work on the all-important software and electromechanical control and stabilization and so on bits. They don't need much gun for that, and low recoil makes it easier and cheaper to experiment and make mistakes. As they build up they can then work to improve it.>>65086751>proof of concept. when, not if, they get deployed im sure they wll of weapons specifically made for them instead of whatever they have off the shelf.Exactly, except that there's no reason not to deploy them right away and I'm sure they will, just as they deployed rando off the shelf drones with 40mm grenades that had plastic fins glued on. Nobody's life is at risk with drones, you can feel free to just throw it into battle and see what happens. But yeah they'll improve over time.
>>65086751>when, not if>deployed>chinalmao as if, chinks are terrified of using their military even to kill african militias
>>65086823i mean walky doggy drones with guns, i didnt even see the china icon. i meant in general armed drones running around with firearms is coming eventually; but i wasthinking from the americas with the boston dynamic dogs.
>>65086838Yeah same, figured we were just talking about all the rando drones we see where people are just sticking guns on them. If we're talking about the chink ones specifically then even there I'd say same logic, it's some company just experimenting cheap, though for all I know in that case given how restrictive their weapon laws are maybe there's some sort of regulatory reason too. Maybe there are regular rifles certified for testing with rubber test ammo or some shit so that's what they have to use until the military approves something else or full production? No idea how the commies do weapon dev programs at small scales.
>>65086838Tracked UGVs with mounted machine guns are already the meta, and are far more practical for a variety of reasons
>>65086862Eh, I think both will have a place, though tracked ones will obviously be the first in real usage by a long shot. But smaller legged stuff will perform in environments where tracked ones can't and can do useful lighter roles, and longer term I think the practicality differences will be pretty small. There's nothing fundamentally particularly expensive about them, they aren't made with platinum, it's "just" a matter of automated mass production. I do think that more insectoid designs will probably ultimately make more sense then four legged ones, though the control software will take longer to develop.
>>65086862Given that robodogs are small and lightweight, and tend to be deployed close to the action, legs with wheels do make a good amount of sense. You really can move over difficult terrain, go hull down and pop up, jump over walls, jump through windows, skitter around agilely, all the wild fantasies of mechfags, just 4-legged and in a tiny format. Tracked vehicles can go up stairs too, so I'm not going to include that in the advantages.
>>65086823>a weapons discussion>insecure boomer immediately spams anti-chinese copesIt's all so tiresome.
>>65086916>Tracked vehicles can go up stairs too, so I'm not going to include that in the advantages.In general yeah, but depending on the jumping power and flexibility legs ultimately end up getting they might still be capable of maneuvering through stairs in a war zone that a tracked one couldn't. Like if a fire escape has been partially destroyed they could jump the gap, or a lot of fire escapes go down to like the top of the first floor but then the final drop to ground is a ladder. Cats can climb ladders no problem so I don't see why a legged robot couldn't too long term. In general full 3D environment usage (including going up/across exteriors and roofs of buildings, trees and so on) benefits from legs, at the cost of carrying capacity and energy efficiency. Tracks presumably will rule the ground though indefinitely, lots of fundamental physical advantages for them there.
>>65086862some of the boston dog videos make me think you'll see both tracked drones and doggy drones. i can see the dog drones being utilized in larger numbers but with lighter armaments for specific hunter killer missions like clearing out a building, climbing stairs, basements and insurgent bunker clearing. tracked units i see being bigger with bigger armaments and being used for on ground and streets etc.
>>65086916i'm thinking ghost in the shell anime robot doggys. really small wheels that are only used for gliding / accelerating along.
>>65086744There isn't one. Thirdies heard drones are the new hot shit so they are all spamming tactically useless stuff with drones to convince their own population that actually they aren't backwards and inept bit futuristic and strong!
>>65086744To be Implessive
>>65086888>>65086916>>65087023It is a platform that is necessarily light on ammunition. Feasibly with a handgun caliber and a specially-designed and integrated weapons system, you could fit a few mags' worth in there, but beyond that you're talking about an increase in both size and weight, which rapidly decreases the utility over the tracked UGV.>But you could just have a bigger one with a machine gun in an intermediate caliberNo, not really, because you run into the problem of weight distribution. The robodog is going to be putting a lot more weight on each square inch it contacts with the ground, and the more mobility you require, the more that will be true, since it will only be in contact with two or even one leg a lot of the time. While this isn't a huge problem on normal terrain, it IS a huge problem in rubble, unsturdy buildings, swamplands, sandy environments, etc. And you'll note that a lot of those are the exact places you would ostensibly be using this thing over a tracked UGV. So to maintain its relatively limited use case, it has to be ultra-light.I do think they will have a niche, but I think anyone who sees them as being equivalent or superior to tracked UGVs is completely wrong.
>>65087154in my mind the smalle dog robots will be the size of large chickens with p90s for a face and blasting HVT with 5.7. i think the p90 would be ideal since it is a large capacity mag that is reliable, whereas larger drums or belts aren't so much and i don't think the robo chicken would bother with reloading. get to target, pop pop pop, get away.like the little robots from TMNT
>>65087154You don't necessarily need much ammo in the future anon. Dunno if you ever saw any of those "linux gun" demos way back when or the talon stuff they actually released but even well over a decade ago it was very doable to get extremely accurate long range computer controlled guns, like, to the point where some rando noguns tech journalist could ping steel at 1000yd on the first try. A legged drone that could easily go into prone mode and maneuver around in 3d wouldn't be the right tool for suppressive fire sure, but as a drone replacement for DMR/sniping and certain scout/infra roles it could be a lot better then a tracked vehicle.>but I think anyone who sees them as being equivalent or superior to tracked UGVs is completely wrong.I honestly think you just have real tunnel vision on what drones will be for, on the overall battlespace, and on future evolution of tech. Like:>and the more mobility you require, the more that will be true, since it will only be in contact with two or even one leg a lot of the timeWhy would you think this? Why would something not have 6 legs or 10 legs or 11 "legs" with some prehensile thing upfront or back? We're not limited by biology here. And none of what you said changes the fact that there are lots of places a tracked vehicle will simply be 100% worthless. It doesn't matter if it exerts less lbs per square inch if it can't climb a ladder or the side of a building/cliff/tree at all in the first place but that's what is needed. Tracked UGVs will be vastly better for a lot of roles but worse for others.
>>65086744>what's the though process behind it?"Implessive."
>>65087154>>65087361Ammo is a massive requirement for human modes of combat where suppression is key. With AI it drops somewhat. Sheer physical dispersion means you still get a worthy advantage out of firing a 6rnd burst over a single shot, but the suppressive fire is mostly pointless, and since robots don't handle occlusion well it drops further.
>>65086744yeah the tiny rifles are pretty gay. what these bad boys need are some anti-material rifles. if you're not going to be able to reload the magazine anyways, and you have an advanced AI targeting system, it makes more sense to me to have large caliber weapons. AI robo dog sniper units are the future
>>65086930>>65086744Vely impleassive, vely chink khu lung
>>65087361I guess I should have specified that I was talking about near future, next few decades. Those sorts of systems are theoretically far superior, but robotics tech isn't anywhere close to making it happen, much less with military durability and production scale
>robo-dogsnot used by any militaries currently in war>tracked ugvsused by militaries currently in warIf robo-dogs were useful it would be tried by Ukraine and Russia, since all UGVs we see either have wheels or tracks it's clear dogs didn't cut it
>>65088208you forgot the robodogs with wheels
>>65086930Dont put PP in the fucking Coke chang
>>65087154lmao, robo-mules are stronger and lighter than humans nowadays, and they're only going to to get better with time.
>>65086916Robodogs generally are lean enough to fit into human spaces. They're already used to run remote inspections. But, if you're seriously going to use them for urban warfare, you'd be better off slapping two P90s or a carousel of Claymore mines on them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkW9wx7Kbws
>>65086930This board is full of fag idiots who are going to est their own shotgun in 10 years when they have to confront the fact they have 0 soft power left. Love it
>>65089057Vely impleassive soft poweru!
>>65089191Yes, very impressive.
>>65089023>two P90sNot enough ammo. Would be way more practical to use a robot specialized machine gun with hotchkiss style stripper clips, a simple electronic auto feeder, and a storage that could fit a dozen stacks and even more rows of those clips.
>>65086744when is china going to start building good robots?
