I do not, because my CCW doesn't have a safety.
>>65086938op has an excess of melanin
>>65086938Yes /thread
>>65086938In a CCW role absolutely. If you don't have confidence in a weapon to carry with one in the chamber THEN HOLY SHIT DON'T USE THAT FOR CCW. Duh. There are endless good options that are dependable.I do have an open carry woods gun that I don't carry with one in the chamber because the threat scenario there is stuff like bears or rabid animals and I'll have plenty of time to load, and in the winter in particular I have slipped down hills or gotten entangled with shit and the like in the past bushwhacking. So seems like an extra layer of safety with no downside. But that's not for edc.
>>65086938Pussy
>>65086967or op has just imbibed too much fuddlore. or he's carrying a relic, there were once long ago revolvers with exposed hammers and no safety systems that really could drop fire pretty easily and sense you can just pull the trigger to go to the next chamber it was not uncommon to leave one empty. you still would do the same motion of drawing and pulling as fast as you can. but with any even vaguely modern da revolver it is unnecessary they wont fire without pulling the trigger
>>65086938The best piece of advice regarding this I've ever seen was "If you don't carry one in the chamber, if you get in to a position where you need your CCW, you'll spend the rest of your life trying to load it".Basically, OP, you should carry with one in the chamber, provided that it is in a holster that is reliable and firm sided. My conceal carry (Glock 43x) doesn't have a lever safety either, but I always carry hot
>>65086938Do you own a hammer fired pistol? Then yes.Do you own a striker fired? Absolutely not. You'll blow your cock off.
>>65086938My CCW is a DAO revolver.
>>65086964>I'll have plenty of time to loadRead some accounts of bear attacks and get back to us on that.
>>65086986They don't have safties because foids and niggers forget to flick them in emergency situations. The obvious response is to buy a gun with a safety and leave Glocks to the diversity hires
>>65086938yeah. a holster that is higher quality than a tube sock in a paper bag will keep the trigger from being engaged anyways. i carry a kahr mk9 in my pocket, glocks iwb, revolvers owb.
>>65086938>I do notYou really should, but I guess "Israeli carrying" is better than not carrying.
>>65086938Absolutely the fuck not unless you have no other option.>But it has no safety ;_;Does it have a revolver like DAO trigger?Does it have a safety blade on the trigger itself?Can it be decocked?Can it be half cocked?Can it be carried safely in a holster that encloses the trigger and at that point acts as a safety?The only reason to carry on an empty chamber is if the gun is not drop safe, the safety is non functional or unreliable and you can't get a better gun for some reason.For instance if I had to CC my P08 Luger I wouldn't trust the safety, but realistically I'd carry any one of my other handguns instead.>It's ok I'll just rack itWhat if that takes too long?What if you only have one hand to draw/fire with?What if you fail to rack it and cause a jam?All of those are glaring reasons to avoid empty chamber carry. It is second only to not having a gun at all, because it relies on your ability to carefully draw and rack the gun before it can be used. CC is specifically for situations where your normal situational awareness fails and you have stepped into a bad situation that you can't avoid or escape, which is usually something that is occurring quickly. Often you are in a fistfight or grappling match before you can even get your gun out. There's almost no way to keep an attacker at bay while attempting to operate a pistol without at least one hand being occupied by that task. Being able to draw and fire one handed is critical in considering a CC gun.>>65087132No safety carry guns are fine, but they need to be carried in a holster that can enclose and protect the trigger. In that situation the holster itself acts as a safety device, once drawn the gun is ready to fire.It doesn't need to be much. For instance I pocket carry an LCP in a soft cheap holster with no other objects in that same pocket while carrying the gun. There's nothing to snag the trigger and the holster keeps the gun oriented/protected.
>>65087106nta but I went through a phase (like you guys I guess... why is everyone so obsessed with bear attacks?) when I was really preoccupied with bear attacks. So I did a lot of reading on the topic.And in general, you get warning. Maybe not for polar bears, I don't know much about those. But for the kinds of bears we have in the warmer parts of north america, yes, it's rare for a bear to just pounce on someone.Now, big cats are another matter. You absolutely will get pounced on, literally, and you won't see it coming. Bears, there's almost always time to draw, yell at it a lot, and fire if yelling doesn't work.
>>65087106>Read some accounts of bear attacks and get back to us on that.I don't need to read about it, I've encountered dozens of bears myself over the decades anon. I've never actually needed to shoot one, though on a few occasions I was very grateful to have a gun on me and it was close. But I've also never not had plenty of time. They're bears not jaguars, they don't spring invisibly from thick ferns. Short of a rare problem bear, the truly biggest threat I've ever had is if you are unlucky enough to get between a bear and her cubs, you hear them fine and usually it's because they're scrambling up a tree, that's their instinct for getting away. Then you back right the fuck off smart like while trying to act big and intimidating but making it clear you're not after the cubs.Drawing and racking is a fast operation if you practice. And the noise of loading isn't a consideration vs an animal, nor that it will recognize you're drawing a gun and act in response like it's the desperate situation that represents.>>65087410This. But (honestly, kinda sadly because they are really cool) big cats are non-existent around here or other parts of the country with family that I visit and go on woods trips in so it's not an issue.
>>65086938The only setup where that makes sense is if you're carrying modern strikerslop with a >clipdraw. Hell I carry strikerslop with a nigdraw but I have a safety so I keep one in the pipe. Condition 3 is for dumb idf conscripts
>>65087132Do you eat your paste cold out of the cabinet or do you heat it up first? Absolute braindead mongoloid take
>>65087445>I've never actually needed to shoot one, though on a few occasions I was very grateful to have a gun on me and it was close. But I've also never not had plenty of time.
>>65087499You're using the image incorrectly.
>>65087504>also never not had plenty of timeThat's the basis for his bias, which is precisely what Anon is implying with the survivorship bias image. Anon is using the image exactly correctly.
>>65087504Am I? Maybe. My intention was to illustrate that he's using the near misses to justify not having one in the chamber, when it stands to reason that the actual killer attacks would be faster and not telegraphed in the same way. After all, if all bear encounters are of the same nature as the ones where he didn't need the gun, then why bother bringing it?
>>65087499>>65087513Sorry anon but you're making two basic, classic mistakes here:1. You yourself are failing to actually apply your own principle. You can't just apply an analysis to one piece without ALSO doing it to all the others, in this case to the flipside of risk of unintentional firearm injuries. Which are plenty prevalent:>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6047385/Like I said, I've also slipped down the sides of hills/mountains, snagged myself (including my gun) on various things, etc. The risk of getting into any sort of bear attack is very, very, very low. There have been around 70 fatal bear attacks since 1900, and probably 1000 to a few thousand non-fatal attacks. Over tens of millions of people going into the outdoors. It's a black swan event, like getting struck by lightning, but serious enough to take seriously. But if we get into very low probability events, then getting shot by your own gun has to be considered as well. And if you say "well, I've never had my gun go off" then that too is survivorship bias.2. When you're applying a lesson the situational specifics matter. Bears just biologically aren't stealthy ambush predators of that kind. It's not how they work. You can literally see it, they don't have camouflage like cats do. It's not "survivorship bias" to recognize how bears work. And like all predators, they don't generally want anything to do with humans because we're very dangerous. In nature (and for humanity pre-antibiotics) even small wounds are a serious threat. Predators tend to go for weak and injured easy prey unless they're desperate or sick or have gotten acclimated. It's not like facing a human enemy specifically trying to take you down.
>>65087520>My intention was to illustrate that he's using the near misses to justify not having one in the chamberAnd you're using never having had a gun accidentally discharge to justify having one in the chamber. See how that works? It's not very useful to just say "near miss" mindlessly. None of those were "near misses" from the point of view of loading my gun. A "near miss" would be if a bear suddenly behaved like a cat and noiselessly leapt from stealth on a tree and happened to not kill me right away. Yeah that would make me rethink things. But all bears I've ever seen or even heard of in CONUS (like other anon, no experience with polar bears) are not quiet in the woods. They huff and make noises and shit too, dunno how to describe what they sound like but it's very distinctive. When they run they just go crashing through things. They're powerful as heck and can shrug off all sorts of trouble which is why their instincts don't work with negative reinforcement from what I've seen & read.Anyway, we all do the math on it so to speak and I'm not saying anyone else SHOULDN'T carry loaded, particularly if they just stick to normal trails, particularly in any time without snow/ice. Or are going in places with lots more people, crime does happen on big trail systems sometimes. I just really like putting on snowshoes/spikes/skies and going places I know for sure no other human has set foot in a very long time. Not saying that's some good smart thing or low risk anyway, people do die every year from accidents and exposure in the winter, but it's something that means a lot to me and I weigh the rest accordingly is all.
>>65086938Just carry a revolver lol
>>65087513Nu-uh.>>65087520If you look into the data on this, a significant share of the recorded bear attacks in modern history occurred in the context of hunting bears. Which is to say, people went out looking for a bear, and then attacked it, and, shockingly, the bear didn't like that, and went after the shooter.Also. It seems to me a lot of people, once they get a gun, are just itching for an excuse to use it. Not necessarily consciously, but they will get themselves into situations where they were cornered, they just HAD to use deadly force.So before you go out and get yourself mauled, consider the possibility that the bear doesn't want to be anywhere near you, and if you can exit the situation by backing off and yelling, you might actually be better off and safer. Depending on the gun of course. But there are videos of a guy shooting a deer with a 50 BMG, right in the ribcage, and the deer made it about 70 yards before collapsing. So maybe even not depending on the gun.
>>65087520Bear Mace is better than handguns at warding off bear attacks anyway.
>>65087535If you're so utterly concerned about "black swan" events, don't go outside at all, stay in your house holding a fire extinguisher.But you do go outside because you accept risk, and owning and carrying a gun is a further extension of that risk. It's like owning a swimming pool, if you have a pool, statistically, your chances of drowning go up, because obviously they do. Don't make it sound like getting shot by your own gun is common during carrying. Most anecdotal events of this happen because of sloppy clearing before cleaning, NDs because retarded or drunk or drunk and high, and kids shooting themselves.Firearms are carried by the MILLIONS worldwide in a fully loaded configuration by police, military, and citizens, and unless you're carrying a P320, you're fine. -t. carries glock 43x appendix loaded>>65087542I swear you're really being disingenuous with your argument and trying to apply your anecdotal experience when plenty of people, myself included, carry loaded "on the pavement and on the trail". There's no reason to not have it as long as you carry a pistol made within the last 30 years. I don't carry for wildlife on the trail, I carry for other people. This whole argument kinda went off the rails with people talking about bears. Bears are not, nor should be, your biggest concern in the middle of nowhere. It's literally always going to be another human(s) who will try to fuck your day up.
