So is this guy dropping truth nvkes or is he just a bitch? Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23_TDLFgoQgI swear I feel like 80% of GWOT vets were just kids who had not just no idea what they were going into but psychologically never put a single iota of a thought towards any of it or had any sort of existential experience/thought/etc going into Iraq or Afghanistan. How come some guys go through some wild shit in combat and end up sort of shrugging it off and going about their life while others just have full blown PTSD breakdowns?
>>65088286>while others just have full blown PTSD breakdowns?My pet theory for why PTSD rates among GWOT vets is inordinate beyond actual psychological factors is because you took a generation of patriotic 18 year olds and had them experience living in basically a mannerbund fucking up a foreign country for one or several six month periods experiencing real freedom and a hierarchical brotherhood and then thrust them back and expect them to go install drywall or some shit for 30 years in a completely gay society that can't relate to any of that and be normal and well adjusted again.A lot harder than WW1 or 2 wherein vets at least had a continuity where most men of their generation served, even if there wasn't medical recognition or therapy or whatever the shit you could at least talk about skewering three jerries over a pint at the Legion
>>65088286>How come some guys go through some wild shit in combat and end up sort of shrugging it off and going about their life while others just have full blown PTSD breakdowns?People just respond differently to stress and trauma. Some people have to spend their entire lives working through it and some people just go>i'unno, they were trying to kill us so we blasted them until they were in crispy bits. Pass the pork, could you?
>>65088306>why PTSD rates among GWOT vets is inordinateIts simply grossly over diagnosed and you have a direct financial incentive to claim for it, its free money. As a result of everybody claiming trauma, there's not much cash left to handle real cases and the really fucked up ones often end up boiling over.>you could at least talk about skewering three jerries over a pint at the LegionSemantically you could, people didn't though, discussing the war was passe and admitting to shellshock or anything adjacent to it was deeply embarrassing. Thats why every boomer can recall a drunk uncle who beat his kids or a twitchy teacher who would freak out with corporal punishment, as any problems they had were bottled up.
>>65088306This is a pol shitpost. Its well documented that the vast majority of people aren't psychologically equipped for killing, despite what delusional retards say online. The high rates of PTSD from GWOT are more plausibly attributed to forcing a military trained for war to do police work and the ensuing predictable messiness that resulted
>>65088338>vast majority of people aren't psychologically equipped for killingPerhaps it's the other way around. People in modern society are over protected from reality and are indoctrinated into an ideology that is incompatible with said reality. So when soldiers finally confront it, they have no means of handling it.
>>65088286read storm of steelsome people are just built different
>>65088306And in some ways, the AVF is something of a failure because instead of people from all walks of life passing through, you get a narrow selection of people that are kinda dim and morally compromised, which is why they end up working crappy jobs afterwards in spite of Veteran giving you preferential treatment for just about everything.
>>65088338Grossman is a hack
>>65088286It's in the eye of the beholder but if you are the type of person to go through that shit and then start thinking too much it will eat at you worse than anything else. It's safer to blame your self and adopt the bitch mentality than try to "egotrip" and get humbled by another veteran. Normies will say shit like "thank you for your service" and that would throw me into a kind of an autistic thought loop where I would have to face time after another all the moral bankruptcy of receiving such a thanks. Now I don't even bring it up anymore that I was once there because I don't want people to judge me by those lenses. "oh this guy was in a war, he must be really mentally resiliant or whatever." "Oh you where there and did that. I know a guy who was there and did this." All I can do is isolate, and remind myself that there were folks who were more retarded than I was, but still day after day I just think how small of a man I am, and how I could generally have been better off not fucking around and finding out the way I did. But - I was born white trash and in all of it's worth good and bad going to war was still a net positive.t. yuropeanautisticdepressedfag, an author
>>65088579I feel like the main source is that war strips bare of all illusions and forces you to confront reality for what it is. With PTSD being derived from the fact that most guys, especially young men, aren't ready for it and therefore break from it.
>>65088286>reading Rifleman Went To War>specifically talks about All Quiet On Western Front>thinks its all hollywood inserted bullshit
On the opposite end of the spectrum: based retard lemon grenade being a chad.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_74Mk-iTwbk
>>65088286I haven't checked the numbers, but I'd bet a paycheck that PTSD rates increased in a roughly linear manner to the VA paying out better for PTSD. Like neck pain after a car accident, it's something that's very easy to get a diagnosis for and almost impossible to disprove. Young males are biologically hardwired for combat.>t. gwot vet that was a kid who had no idea what i was going into but psychologically never put a single iota of thought towards any of it or had any sort of existential experience/thought/etc except that it was surprisingly fun to shoot at strangers with no legal repercussions>it was even fun when they shot back, just as long as they didn't hit anyone that i knew, which fortunately was every time
Be mercenary for moneyRealized you sold your health for a few bucksDont actually improve anyone's lifeGet home waste the moneyBe sad for GibsonZero people should be surprised
>>65088308spbp>People just respond differently to stress and trauma.It really irritates me, not just with /k/ stuff but fucking everything, how much mainstream treats the entirety of humanity as a monolith whenever it's lazy or convenient. Sometimes people just plain react to stuff differently, like, at an actual physical biological level.Speaking of which that's another differentiator: how their literal brain matter came out of their tour of duty. Shit like concussions or chemical exposure can vary pretty wildly based on nothing more then sheer, dumb luck (good or bad). Your entire squad could be on the same mission and encounter an IED and just based on who happened to be where next to what would totally change how the brain got knocked around, everyone could survive and seem fine but 10 years later some dudes are at more risk of issues then others. Or everyone could be fine but now have some exposure, and then only a few people get hit by another one a year later, and it adds up. Law of large numbers and all that, even all else being equal biologically at the beginning (of course not true) some poor bastards will end up rolling snake eyes and then have to live with that (or not, more vets sadly kill themselves then the average). Ideally we'd have really good post-tour support, and resources are available, but it's not as well done as one might wish.
>>65088306i know of a german fuchs mg3 gunner.after a rpg flew a few metres away from his head dude realised it could have been him and he got paranoid on every patrol.it wasnt the fear of fighting exactly it was a fear of sudden death awaiting him around every corner. i guess most vietnam vets had the same fear.
>>65088338>Its well documented that the vast majority of people aren't psychologically equipped for killingNo it's not.>>65088345This is correct. In every era of human existence until the last 150 years, it would be a normal occurrence to kill things regularly, see public executions, and be expected to kill other people if necessary. Take Iceland for instance. They are today a normal, actually extraordinarily peaceful society. Historically as an Icelander there was no formal law enforcement, you as a man could be challenged to a duel to the death at any time for almost any or no reason, and refusal meant exile and near certain death. Most of what we know about Iceland's history and law is from records of these duels and violent feuds.Do you think those people had a problem with killing? Do you think they were unequipped to kill others? Most people are entirely equipped to kill others. We just tell them it's wrong now. That's it.It probably doesn't help that the war in Afghanistan served no purpose, so more introspective servicemen had to come to terms with the fact they did nothing to help Afghanistan, America, or any of the people there.
>>65088338On Killing relies on dogshit data from a study that had zero oversight, no documentation and was altered to suit a narrative. Read another book.
>>65091904>see public executionsInterestingly enough, states banned these because they were not having the intended deterrent effect since the hoi polloi were turning them into fun family outings. They were banned because over a century ago, the enlightened ruling class recognized the problem of normie sadism.
>>65088286I'm a 100 percent P&T peacetime vet with no deployments. I have no philosophy. I just want money and guns.
>>65092030The true winner
