I always preferred killing livestock with either a handgun for larger animals or just a .22LR for stuff like sheep and goats. Doesn't have to be big, a 9mm drops cattle with a shot to the dome.
While I have an M4 and MR762 on my place for doing feral animal destruction as my side-job, there's really nothing wrong with something like a BLR or Winchester 70 for occasional shots on deer, foxes, cats and dogs.
Reason I mention those two
>Very accurate
>Not expensive
>Mount optics
>Come in nearly cartridge you want

Smaller deer species you can pop with 556 all you want depending on the legality of doing so (I won't tell) but the larger ones like Red Deer I won't take on without at least 308. Also for people not shooting very often apart from blasting the odd pest, the .243 and .270 are really good for having a bit more energy and flatter shooting than 556 and 150yd is practically point blank

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>>65096832
Its legal in my area to take deer with 556, im trying to avoid optics, I don't really need them. The 1022 is nice but even small brush glances a shot at predators and I am not a cruel person, I don't want a coyote walking into the woods and suffering.

I don't do cattle and the intention is for it to be a large enough round to be effective if the world stops. Otherwise a 1022 is the answer. I still plan on carrying my 22lr pistol for culls.

I like bolt guns but I'm looking to do a quick followup shot if needed.
Alot of construction in the area is pushing alot of coyotes towards me and I think it might get worse.

Just trying to provide additional details. I appreciate your insight.

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>>65096784
Not going to lie it sounds like an AR is the solution, what do you dislike about it? Maybe try an AKM instead?

>>65096843
You could look at a Browning BAR in their Safari or Stalker, I think they're all in 30cal which includes 308 but there's the short which takes up to 308 and the long which goes up to some of the bigger game rounds.
Another off the top of my head is the Benelli R1 which has a nice set of sights and a great gun for the price, they are a little complicated but not to the extent you need a PHD in guns to figure out how to clean it. Comes in most 30cal type of cartridges as well

Both are essentially self-loading sporting rifles

This is faggot fudd pasta. 2/10.

>>65096845
Honestly?
Image
Disassembly
Cleaning
Too many small parts
And the direct gas.
I want something that can be left outside for a week or not cleaned when I decide to go disappear in the woods for a few days. Or at least easily cleaned

Ars have been relatively annoying. Dirty. And finicky while I have a turkey break barrel shotgun that i could use to beat my wife to death and then shoot right after.

A minor note is the school shooter image there comes with them. If it's ever shown in a photo I want to look sympathetic, not like i was going to war.


I know the ar is the best bang for the buck. There is a reason everyone has one. But again. I'm not married to calibre.

>>65096784
AK in 12g because the weight offsets the recoil. The long recoil spring+heavier set platform won't bruise your shoulder so much.

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>>65096859
This isn't pasta. I asked in a diy forum cause you faggots act this way.
>>2986190

>>65096861
I don't know if this is a troll answer. But if your being sincere, it still suffers from the "war" image and I'd simply just pad the shit out 12g rather than getting something else.

>>65096845
I considered a akm chambered in 556 or 762.
762 I'd have to seek out and my understanding is alot of 762 brass is kinda garbage ammo (I don't really know. What I heard) and the 556 akms have the war rifle image along with magazine issues and...not gonna lie, it just feels weird.

I originally asked this in a diy forum. I got a 1022, but my wife took it like the day we got it.

After using the 1022 for a few days, just playing around. It worked very well except for the issue with cruelty with predator control.

Then like a day later I found out someone died and left me a shitload of money.

Now I want my BIFL ranch rifle so I can disappear into the hills for a weeks (my wife tends the birds when I dip), and when I'm in the woods, I'll be on a small homestead.

I'm wanting something that can just be with me and not look like I'm doing a school shooting, semi auto for those times you really need it. No shots will ever exceed 150 yards and those shots will be rare as fuck.

I'll still use my 22lr pistol for small animal culls but I'm wanting a larger calibre now to be with me as I move through my life.

Like how someone would buy a decent pocket knife or hatchet. I'm not looking for 600 yard 1 inch moas. My life isn't like that. My life is more like pre firing around a hill at 15-20 yards.

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>>65096860
>>65096867
>>65096871
Unless the neighbors are calling the cops on you all the time I don't think the image thing is going to matter too much. We're at the point every other college kid is appendix carrying a G19 or Echelon with an optic and has an AR at home that they go and blast hogs with for recreation. If that is the predominant factor for whatever reason you're probably better off sticking with your 870 Wingmaster or whatever you're packing currently. Only issue I have with AKMs is surplus magazines because AKs tend to be finicky with parts.

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>>65096878
It was transferred to her name.

>>65096879
I got a small pack 12g, like Turkish savage or something? Sawed the barrel down to 1 inch a over legal.
Then I use a maverick 88.
I know I know, it looks "war" scary stock. Its been modified to be fud friendly.

Honestly your probably right. I don't know how people would act anymore. I just get nervous over the idea of being a stupid farmer sitting in a court room and them showing the Taliban or like a AR and screaming about me "dreaming of this day" or something.

Reason I was looking at 556 over a 20g was due to ammo cost and availability.

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>>65096888
What about a Norinco or Yugo SKS? They're overpriced these days but can run the line of politically correct sporting rifle.

>>65096784
>I hate the ar platform.
>I recently come into money.
>I can buy anything
H&K SL6.

>>65096860
>the direct gas
What the actual fuck are you talking about you LARPing queer

>>65096860
>I want something that can be left outside for a week
Why tf would you leave a gun outdoors for a week? Muchless an an HK SL6 ? You don't deserve nice things.

>>65096860
B8 thread, too blatant

>>65096860
>Image
>Disassembly
>Cleaning
>Too many small parts
>And the direct gas.
complete nonsense. AR's are one of the easiest firearms to disassemble and clean.
>If it's ever shown in a photo I want to look sympathetic, not like i was going to war.
Are you worried about the coyote taking you to court?

Get the Mini and some nicer shotguns. The Mini 14 is a pain to take apart compared to the AR15 though. The action has to come out of the stock to clean and the gas block (tappet?) needs feeler gauges to be reassembled if you ever take it off for whatever reason. The magazines are expensive but well built, but they rust pretty easily. Most anything Ruger with a blued finish rusts in my experience so keep oil with the rifle. The Mini 14 is still great though and it sound like it fits your needs well.

>>65096784
AR is an old man gun now. All the farmers have them round here. Cheaper than 22-250 Remington which is what they ran before. Can't beat $500 and 35cpr ammo.

Kind of reads like a larp tbqhwy. Everyone talks about ARs for yotes now and you're a weirdo if you run a bolt gun unless it's in a rimfire restricted area.

>>65096911
This. It's also outdated. Fudd farmers are running ARs and nvg now and complaining about not needing plates.

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Remington Model 742, it just werks

>>65096784
I'm 99% convinced that this is a bait post.
On the 1% chance it's not, get a Ruger mini 30 in 7.62x39.
Ten round mags for your Fudd stuff, and a dozen 30s at the house.
Saged just in case.
Now I'm done with you.

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I hear you anon. Don't use my guns as a tool as much as you but I do livestock a little I guess. Would you consider a Henry Long Ranger? Lever action, comes in 5.56, 308, and other centerfire calibers. Takes AR mags but comes with a 5 or 4 round flush fit. No gas blowback. They also sell the express version that looks more modern but has a threaded barrel if you ever want to put a suppressor on to save your hearing.

You could also just go straight to a 30-30 lever action of which there's a number of companies and options. Works well for 150 yd and in. And 1000% does not carry any of the political or image baggage that 5.56 does. Since you're worried about that. And if you're going to leave something outside for a week, I think there's a few options for stainless models. Sounds right up your alley really.

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Mini-14 is your easiest option and it sounds like you already like it. There was also a Foxtrot Mike Ranch Rifle that came out a while ago (pictured).

A lever action in .223 will also work. As will a semi-auto hunting rifle like the BAR in .243.

>>65096860
>image
oh fuck off
if you want a mini14 why do you need an asspat from fags on 4chan? just go buy it you absolute queer

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>>65096900
The gas not pushing a piston into the receiver and directly dumping gas into the chamber with the firing pin, basically fouling. I prefer it to exhaust and push a piston to cycle.

Sorry I don't know terms. You can eat my ass if you don't like it man.
>>65096902
Obviously on exaggerating, as in I sometimes fall into stream, I get muddy as shit, I'm out in the rain and cold. That's all I meant.
>>65096911
I'm really not.
>>65096926
Its a pain in the ass to take it apart in the woods and I'm afraid of dropping springs or pins. I had a sks I regret selling that worked pretty well for me but it was prior to my outdoor lifestyle
>>65097072
Not bait. I am gravitating towards mini 14 or mini 30. If I got a mini 30 might as well just get a eastern European akm or ak, I know a sks and I played with sk style rifles a little and liked them.
>>65097120
Yes lever action be fine and fast enough followup and intermediate between a bolt and a semi

I have no experience with lever guns.
>>65097158

I keep heading towards the mini 14 but I wanted to ask people who enjoyed this stuff.


I'm not baiting. I'm just not a gun fag guys I'm...you are all weird to me. Its like people complaining hammers or shovels. Its weird as fuck.
Kinda regret asking but I'm too curious to not at least read what you all are slinging at me.
I don't understand why everyone thinks hating the ar makes you a larp

It works. Its a great rifle. Its accurate. Cheap. Light and modular.
I'm sorry I'm just not into it...the ar I currently have has issues with the key not rotating completely into place. Ive fucked around with it since I bought it and the key has never seated properly. Its always like only 2/3s twisted in.
I don't know terms. My bad. Gun goes bang. I cut the animal up. Gun is used for less than 2 seconds and then I'm more concerned over other tools.


Holy shit this place sucks...

If anyone lives in the tristate area near cincy I'll sell you this piece of shit for like 300$.

>>65097162
Sometimes you don't know you don't know something.
I asked the gun guys if there was anything better.

I didn't realize you were gonna cry. Holy shit

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Thank you for anyone who made suggestions. I wrote them down and will look around thank you a lot.

>>65097292
>The gas not pushing a piston into the receiver and directly dumping gas into the chamber with the firing pin
That is not what happens at all.

>>65097292
what fucking schizo babble is this

One of the better bait threads I've seen in a while.

Rambling walls of text, obstinate attitude, standoffish and insulting towards the board, fuddlore, bizarre requirements, acknowledgement of being ignorant towards guns but completely resistant to being corrected or suggestions of anything not previously stated in the OP, long term commitment to the bit...very solid 8/10.

>>65097297
>wants validation on a purely aesthetic choice from strangers on the internet
>"y u g-g-gotta c-cry?"
your transition is coming along well i see

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>>65096784
>Guns are a tool to me.

>>65096860
>"what do you dislike about it?"
>Image

oh, so they're not really just a tool to you, then. you have the exact same product egoism as everyone else.

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>>65097593
You forgot the other things I listed along with why the image was a issue. I was nervous about looking like a school shooter if I was ever walking through the woods in front of someone or cut through near a power plant or something. I don't hate how ars look.
I said it was finicky and I been turned off the ar platform. Is everyone here dense?
Its all good man. I got my answers.
>>65097358
Ok. Whatever makes a ar run dirty I dislike.

Can you explain whst im getting wrong.
Round goes down. Gas goes into gas tube, it flows back to the piston. Goes into that catch, pushes the the firing pin back. If I'm wrong I'm wrong my bad. This is my experience with it.
They need cleaning more often than any other gun I used. Maybe I got a lemon. Its a milsport multi cal.
Does the gas not exhaust into this?

What do they call it? Key? The key doesn't seat fully. It never has. It shoots fine.
Pic is what I'm talking about where the gas dumps. While the mini 14 exhausts forward and pushes a block back.
The ak and sks used a piston from what I remember.
I liked the way those function and they make more sense to me.

I said i wasnt married to the calibre. Anyone wanna buy that ar off me? 300$. You all love ars.
I appreciate anyone who took this seriously. I remember why everyone hates /k/. Its full of the absolute most arrogant retards in the world. Bro if someone came to me wanting to ask or learn about chickens I wouldn't act like this. Its been a experience.

Thanks guys.
>>65097158
>>65097120
>>65097036
Thank you all. I will be reading about your suggestion. If I didn't know it existed how was I suppose to know it was a option.
>>65096979
This is the kind of information I need. Thank you..
My understanding of the mini was you just push the trigger guard down and it pops apart enough to handle 99% of issues. It seemed like you could do it with a stick. I really appreciate this post.
God damn I'm sorry I insulted the ar. Holy shit.

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Ok let's change this to a fix my ar thread
It doesn't seat fully when you wrack a round.
Here is how it seats.

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And here is it fully seated.

Also if I'm required to use the ar. How do you all get rounds that get stuck? A shotgun I just run a stick down it or my fingers fit inside to grab it. Y'all just jiggle the ars around?

This is a serious question. I know you wrack it out. But if you can't do you just like sit there and start field stripping?

>>65096898
Beautiful gun. I'd be worried about accessibility if anything breaks and how people would treat me for ruining it.

>>65096784
FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.
Fudd is slang that references Elmer Fudd, the hunter who gets embarrassed by Bugs Bunny.
I'll let you guess which one is related to using "hunting weapons".

>>65096891
I had a sks for a while and sold it, I really miss it. I remember hearing stories about the storage wax they used locking the floating pin forward and just dumping the mag.

I regret selling it, but I wasn't a country bumpkin at the time and it seemed stupid having it. I'm not adverse to just getting another one, but I just worry about the hassle of finding ammo. I can grab 556 and 223 while I'm getting chicken feed. Same with 12g.

When I had my sks Russian steel ammo was like the cheapest shit in the world. I sold it right after ammo got expensive.

If I was going strictly on ascetic I really like ak stuff. It some of the higher end imports also meet my criteria of being hardy and simple gun for a simple mind.

>>65098054
I just meant I'm not into tacticool stuff and I use it like a tool.

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>>65098069
Okay and whoever you learned the term from was using it wrong. Probably because they were also taught by someone using it wrong.
It's shit like this that got dictionaries to change the definition of "literally" because everyone started using it wrong.

Just dropping by to suggest the PC9 you can get it in a 40. caliber as well

>>65096784
>calibre
Canuck detected. Any mag-fed semi auto will look like a killer assault weapon to a jury full of sheep. Get a bolt action, like the Ruger Ranch American.

>>65096784
Benelli M2 in 12ga
S&W Model 327 snub in .357 magnum or i guess 38 special cause you're a pussy.
send it

>>65098173
I am seriously considering the Ruger ranch too if I don't go semi auto.
Not Canadian. Caliber then I guess. Color. Armor.

>>65098143
I eat shit I find in the woods and my yard man. Im asking the gun guys about guns and Ifudd=Elmer fudd so I assumed it meant like a dorky hunter and not a "operator"
>>65098155
Added it to read about. Thank you.
>>65098189
Imagine getting run down by dogs and then a hillbilly crawls out of the brush and pulls out a pink pocket 22lr and everything goes black.

I'd pee on you too.

I am a pussy. You gotta kill a few dogs before I'll even come out, or they will grab you for me and I will just come out and cull you real quick.
I'll probably scream Shazam and hold the gun sideways. I hope I don't hurt my hand from the recoil.

>>65096784
>mini 14
not against it but AVOID the older ones, get a brand new instead, the older Mini 14 have serious accuracies issue.

>>65097907
>find the issue with my AR
>look at pic
yeah, ok. I found your issue. too much grease.
first clear this thing of grease ENTIRELY make sure it's fucking dry, use solvent for best result, then get CLP and latex gloves, get a drop of CLP on one finger (wear the gloves srsly) then smear that single drop on the BCG. that's it.

if there's still some jams, look at the following :
>bolt won't close on full mag
weak buffer spring, either change it or stop loading your mags to capacity, load them to 25 rounds only.
>bolt seize during fireing
add a bit more oil to the BCG
>Bolt fail to fully open during fireing
ammo issue
>Bolt fail to chamber a round
Mag issue, change your magazine spring (80% of your jams will happen because of your mags)
>Accuracy all over the place
skill issue or barrel is fucked
>trigger feel weird
spring worn out, change them
>gun blew up
Spicy hot loads, stop asking bubba to reload your ammo.

>>65097292
>The gas not pushing a piston into the receiver and directly dumping gas into the chamber with the firing pin, basically fouling. I prefer it to exhaust and push a piston to cycle.
You don't fully understand how an AR-15 works then. The gas-key on the bolt carrier is the piston head, there just isn't a piston rod. That being said, reliable 'piston driven' ARs exist now.

>>65098239
lmao internet tough guy
yet afraid of “image”

>>65096784
>and at least viable to take a deer

.357 magnum lever action.

>>65097292
>The gas not pushing a piston into the receiver and directly dumping gas into the chamber with the firing pin, basically fouling. I prefer it to exhaust and push a piston to cycle.
Why would you think chamber fouling is caused by the gas system? It's where the damn bullet is getting set off

To the peeps suggesting OP get a Mini14/30, he's already struggling with a basic AR so I'm not sure how that's going to work. Like I'm not trying to be mean but there it is. Honestly an SKS is more his speed.

>>65097956
You could use a cheap paint can opener tool if it's a failure to extract

>>65098331
Do they?
Am I wrong that gas exhausts as the firing pin pushes back? Basically as the gas tube breaks contact with the gas key you still get carbon fouling it all up.
A piston ar I like the idea of. Thanks didn't know there was an option.
>>65098452
I know but I'm not going to have these things in the middle of the woods. Actually got a ar armorers tool that is pretty useful.
>>65098349
Are lever actions mechanical sound? As good as a pump shotgun? Or are they finicky about dirt and ammo?
>>65098295
I've tried everything over the years except changing the buffer spring. Just hung it up after I got annoyed with it.

She sounds high maintenance lol. Which is one of the main reasons I wanted away from the ar platform.

I'm done with image cause I can just put wood on whatever, wrap or tape it.
Im still after something that runs dirty and won't break it I fell on it and I can clean with a torn shirt and a stick.
I'm heavily leaning towards 226 and 556 the more I think about availability.

The Ruger ranch has caught my eye too.
I keep hearing lever action guns but have no experience with them if anyone had thoughts. I always assumed them mechanically complicated, but I guess if I really think about it, it's no worse than a pump shotgun.

Its sounding like the only decent semi autos are ars unless I want a mini 14.
>>65098337
I'll pee on you too. Shazam nigger.

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>>65096860
>already uses a shotgun
>adds faggot-grade conditions
No problem. Stainless slug gun. Now STFU.

>>65098535
You missed the part where I already use a 12g and I'm 40+ and I'm starting to become a pussy and recoil shy.

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>>65098535
>you missed the part
It's fine, sport. They make pussy slugs too.

>>65096860
>go disappear in the woods
>go innawoods
>scared of muh scary tacticool

So an SKS? Literally grab sks go innawoods the meme

I know the exact gun you are looking for. You can even get it in wood if you want it, but God damn you are prissy. I get you don't want an AR-15, but you could have just said you don't want one and move on. Plenty of people on this board don't have, want, or desire to ever own one and we don't need to read a mountain of defensive bullshit to explain why.

Now, if you will drop the retard shit, I will tell you precisely what rifle you're actually looking for because I know for a fact you've never heard of it. You'll be stunned it exists once you see it, but first I need you to drop some of the insecurity.

>>65096784
Mini 14 rifle for ranch use, and as FPBP put it, your choice of 9mm pistol for livestock. Why no captive bolt gun?

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>>65099035
I know of the in da woods meme but I didn't know the sks was part of it.
>>65099046
I did and I was told I was wrong. I believe in my first post some of my first words were that I'm not a fan of the ar platform along with mentioning several more times that I'm not a fan and why. I knew the ar had a following but hot damn.
You'd be frustrated too.
>>Hey guys any suggestion on guns with this in mind, not an ar
I was told an ar. Its fine. If they make piston driven ones it might appeal to me. I will look into them.
Someone else suggested the p90. Which I assume was a meme after looking into it or they didn't even look at what I said.
>>65099052
Animals free range. They're almost feral. The largest animal I raise is geese and turkey. A 1022 is my answer for my farm needs, but I wanted a companion in the woods too. Just something to get comfortable on so I can use it well like I do the 12g.

I may of came into the thread too hot on how often I'll pull the trigger. I also got dogs.

Every predator aside from coyote My dog can run down and kill, but like I said..I'm not into suffering.

I still carry my 22lr pistol. I'd probably cull smaller animals with that and have a larger calibER main.

I think bobcats are starting to drift near me but it's gonna be a few years before they actually become an engrained issue.

Not to sound cruel, but the last animal I called was a raccoon..it was in my run. I heard it. Let the dog out. The dog basically flushed it into the rafter of the run.
I climbed a ladder as my dog held it there and shot it in the head.

Racoons can get gross. They will eat an animal alive. Like hold a chicken down and eat it's thighs and breasts while it's still breathing.
Always kinda pissed me off.
I then had to find her kits since her nipples showed signs of nursing.
Took them to a rescue. I am a pussy and I'm ok with that.
The 12g hurts my wittle shoulder now, not replacing my gay 22 wheel gun, it's been endlessly amazing for my needs.

>>65099052
I got a gorilla Glock.
Every animal I personally raise can be ethically culled with 22lr.
For instance. That 22lr was turned to the still breathing carcass of the bird after the raccoon.

Ive considered a 9mm carbine or something similar once everyone jumped my ass about "image" and worrying about the public calling the cops on me.

I'm comfortable with 9mm if you know anything that I can beat a coyote to death with it and then shoot it.
I was reading about the Ruger ranch and keep seeing extraction issues. Mini 14 had accuracy issues (non issue for me).

Someone said a su16 but told me to tape the takedown pin if I'm going to be rough.

I'm not shooting my birds to process them. I do decapitation. Bur shit happens. Like that racoon.
It happens once in a while. It be nice to use the same rifle to cull, take my yearly deer, and predator protection. 1022 is my answer until you get to coyote and deer. Maybe bobcats eventually.

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>>65099307
Then you have two options depending on if you want wood furniture or not:

>Browning BAR
>FN FNAR

This is the same exact gun. The Browning version that FN put out is wood and metal. The FN version is polymer and metal. The FNAR is more "sporterized". The FNAR is strictly better as a result, but if you insist on Fudding it up, your natural inclination will be to go towards the BAR. The FNAR can be had for as little as $800 and it has sub-MOA accuracy. The drawback to both guns is that they are no longer produced (this isn't a problem for spare parts), which means the mags are not either. Your only hope is to find 10 round mags for decent-ish prices now and then on RTG. The 20 round mags notoriously sell for $250 or more. However, from what it sounds like you are doing, I don't know why you'd need them or if you did, why you'd need more than one and few 10 rounders. The mags are solid, really beefy. Will outlive you.

The reason why the guns stopped production was due to poor sales. They did a bad job of marketing them, and I am convinced had the FNAR been given a more tacticool makeover that it'd still be around today with an extremely annoying fan base talking about how their cheap, updated version of the BAR could outshoot their $2500 AR-10 and M14 without even irons.

Anyway, this is the gun you describe in your OP (or its Browning cousin). You are not going to be able to do better unless for some reason .308 terrifies you. Speaking of .308, don't get tricked. Buy Saltech (commercial) or Lake City (or Korea/France/Israeli) surplus if it ever shows up at a decent price. You need nothing else. Ever. Throw a Poortex on there and call it a day.

Enjoy.

>>65098054
>guess which one is related to using "hunting weapons"
Why not both?

>>65098173
>Ruger Ranch American.
I always liked thier youth model for an ultralight.

>>65099307
Could buy a bubba'd m44 mosin and buy ammo online, ships to your door if yaint in a cucked state. you also could go old school and get a cap and ball carbine and a lee mold for ammo. damn near every antique store near me has a pallet of lead bricks there with a 5 bucks/lb sign next to it. All you have to do then is buy powder and caps. BP will turbocharge rusting though so be careful wtih that.

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>>65099360
The inheritance was large. Like buy a new Ford raptor and get s coke problem huge.
Bit i'm set in my ways so I guess. When I said price isn't a issue I wasn't joking. My only concern would be replacement part availability and the downtime to get them to me.
I'm extremely handy and I could also file alot of parts and replace them myself as long as they went complicated. but it's tedious and it's never as good as oem.


Even with money not being an issue the idea of spending 250$ on a magazine feels wastefully gross for how this is going to get treated.
>>65099374
My state has no paperwork private sales.
No registration
No permit concealed carry.

They flow like water. I helped clean out a woman's house cause her husband died, she gave me that revolver, her husband used it in the same way. No one gives a fuck unless your near a school or acting retarded. Its why I dropped the "war rifle" image ask. I'm old and I guess I'm wrong when I think about it. No one cares who knows about guns and anyone who is scared of them is going to be scared of a mini 14 the same as a ar or even my sidekick wheel gun.

Just cause money is no object doesn't mean I want to ruin a collectors item lol.
I know who I am
I know how I live.
I need a draft horse of guns, a UTV of guns, something with a reputation as sound as the ak platform.
I'm still heavily leaning towards Ruger ranch. Mini 14 or some type of piston driven semi auto. I looked into the lever guns and I'm not comfortable with the idea of having a issue that needs addressed in dirt. Pretty guns tho.
I rather use a over under than a lever gun.

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>>65099403
>doesn't mean i want to ruin a collectors gun
thats why you buy an already sporterized mosin nagant. Plus, only the most butthurt /k/ tards would be crying over a fucked mosin. they made these bitches by the millions, used to sell em in barrels at feed stores for 70 bucks. hell, maybe some of your neighbors have a few. If it's already fucked nobody really cares. dont worry about what bitches here think about it. also If you want an sks RTI has like 5 of em for sale, slightly above typical going prices. https://royaltigerimports.com/shop/chinese-sks-model-56-cal-7-62x39-serial-number-1709094/

>>65096784
BAR

>>65099413
A little long. I'd end up cutting it. The reason I don't run optics is because of snagging.
The other issue is the ammo. I said earlier the conscience of grabbing 556 and 223 at the feed store is awesome.

I'd have to order these. I'm still shy from when I used 762 in the sks and lost access to Russian steel ammo.

>>65099546
Convenience****

>>65097292
>Its a pain in the ass to take it apart in the woods and I'm afraid of dropping springs or pins
Anon, when the fuck are you going to be swapping pins and springs doing a field strip in the woods? How are you being filtered this hard?

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Me.
I'm not an operator. My dogs operate. I clean up. I'm eating Takis in a bush and when my dog flips out I walk out and shoot whatever it has cornered or is actively chewing on.
I may shoot a coyote at maybe 25-50 yards whenever it happens.
I don't own plates. I don't own a vest. The most tactical thing I have is a sling that can hold 12g.

Big on the KISS philosophy.

For anyone following im leaning towards the Ruger ranch, mini 14, or su16. I think Im set on 556/223. The flat trajectory and abundance of ammo is just too simple to overlook.

Someone said the mini14 is a bitch to take apart and if anyone has more to elaborate on that it be awesome. I know it's inaccurate and expensive.

Unfortunately I found out a lot of boomers like it cause of the A-team when I was reading which is gross, just thought I'd mention it.
>>65098295
Wanted to thank you again for this post. I may have a lemon buffer spring..when I got the sr I just assumed the lower was working as it should. Its milsport I think. A cheaper brand right? I didn't pay much for it.
I know to avoid older mini 14s. I'd buy one brand new if i could.

How do you all feel about silencers by the way. I'd probably buy one, use it twice and bitch about it being too long or something and shelf it after paying 1200$ for it.

Thoughts? Just don't?
I'm already deaf so it wouldn't be so I could shoot without ears.
I just can't. I already made that mistake.

>>65096784
Do a steyr AUG in either the stanag compliant or original mag. Railed top.
>16-20" of barrel but 60% of the overall size of a lot of ARs
>light
>extremely reliable
>can be shot one handed
>TINY so it fits in the front seat with you
>more accurate than a mini14
Put an acog on it and shoot m193. Ignore public image, everyone has an AR now.
>"guns are a tool to me!"
Im calling you out. You cant say that if your parameters say no ARs. That being said, steyr fits well.

>>65096784
>Guns are a tool to me.
>I will be using it as an all around tool. 9/10 shots I take are cull shots at about 6-12 inches out to a few feet.
>1/10 are predator defense culls but I live in the hills so the farthest shot I will ever take is 120-150yards

Just get a clean 30-30.
subsonic ammo for cull
Round soft point for pred.

Simple, easy to work with and clean. For cull work and pred the amount of mass in the bullet means there is no real chance of suffering.

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>>65096784
This seems like a reasonable thread to ask, can someone tell me what ammo this famas is using?
It was described as a hunting rifle in the news post that had it, someone got v& for walking around his neighbourhood threatening people with this and a stock-less colt carbine.

>>65100326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY4S1BbR5w

>>65099403
I can't help you then. Your use case indicates that you'll never be carrying around ten mags or some shit. Nor does it indicate you even actually need 20 round mags. I have a few because the boomer who sold me their FNAR thought they were 10 round mags, erroneously. That's the only reason I have them. Just buy ten rounders. This (and the BAR) are the exact description of the rifle you have in mind.
>Utilitarian
>Rugged
>Cheap
>Will outlive you
>Can shoot the foreskin off a fly
>Doesn't look like an AR
What precisely else do you want, man.

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>>65100394
You think that's bad?
This was his carbine.

>>65100326
that's a 12 gauge shotgun made in turkey

>>65098521
>Are lever actions mechanical sound? As good as a pump shotgun? Or are they finicky about dirt and ammo?
one of the easiest firearm to maintain and repair with the rolling block.

>>65099590
>Wanted to thank you again for this post. I may have a lemon buffer spring..when I got the sr I just assumed the lower was working as it should. Its milsport I think. A cheaper brand right? I didn't pay much for it.
np dude, cheap ARs work fine as range toys but they usually lack any QC to make it into better gun, fortunately they are 100% modular so you can just replace whatever you have with better brands and call it a night, as long you don't just coat it in grease and think about cleaning it once in a while

>>65099654
>already deaf
seriously consider one then, suppressors with 556 will still make a lot of noise but at least you can fire one round or two without busting your eardrums before you put on the earpro.

also i just remembered one thing, look into rifles using an AR-18 pattern, the action work differently and they look clearly different, brownells is making a repro of it that is good quality. the keltec su16 is also a nice choice too and there's also the benelli MR1

>>65097593
>Hats are just a tool to meee!
>Wears ss hat
>See! You don't care about tool! You care about not getting attacked more easily while using tool!
Melanoid

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>>65100472

>>65098521
>I've tried everything over the years except the thing that would fix it
wow guess you're retarded

>>65100538
>an AR is SS-equivalent
i'm actually amenable to aesthetics complains but you are literally sitting in the cuck chair loving it and begging for more

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>>65100465
Everything except shooting a fly. I just need to hit dog sized target at 25-50 yard.

All good man, I appreciate your suggestion.
>>65100217
What should I look into?
>>65099833
Call me out all you want but read the thread man.... I'll be saying this for the 4th or 5th time now.
>>65100538
Mock this but I wear a webbed bucket hat and being able to slide stuff into it is pretty useful, it also beats wearing sunglasses and will shade your eyes.
>>65100623
Yes. We went over this. Sounds like you're pretty retarded too.

We are to assume a factory at just doesn't work right?
Bro then I ask about issues everyone gets quiet
Try to sell it, your all quiet.
Ars really are the red flag of gun owners.
>>It just works
Meanwhile this nigger
>>65098295
>>Just don't fully load it
>>Too much oil
>>Too little oil
>>Just call it beautiful
>>Take it out to a nice dinner and it might blow its load.

Meanwhile my Turkish piece of shit, my maverick, my dirty ass 22lr will spit on it and go to the balls with eye contact.

Like I said here. They are cheap. They are effective. They are accurate, and they are modular.
I'm happy for you all.
Do you want to buy mine for 300$?
>>65100504
I eally appreciate you. I'm feeling pretty misunderstood right now. I feel like people who just go to ranges only and take their guns to dinner arnt understanding what I'm doing.

The suppressor idea was mainly for my dog. She is young and I don't wanna blow out her ears. Like I said, money isn't a issue, do you feel a suppressor. Like can you noticeably feel that extra front weight?

Someone said sub sonic 30 30 and my ears peeled up. Do you know anything?

Maybe I'll go to a gun store and put my hands on some of the stuff that's extremely foreign to me like the lever guns.

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>>65100472
Op here. The fud.
Why is it scoped?

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>>65100830
Nigger how has this thread kept going? Haven't bothered reading anyone else's posts but I'm sure everyone has already told you more or less the same thing.
>best answer
AR. If you want it quiet, get it in .300 blackout and put a suppressor on. Unlike a suppressed 5.56 gun, this setup should have little to no risk of hearing damage even with sustained fire and zero ear protection. Doggo will be fine. The usual issue with .300 blackout is that the ammo is much more expensive (roughly 1.6-2x the price per round vs 5.56) but since you have money, no big deal

Slap a $3000+ thermal optic on it and call it a day. This will handle all targets. Keep in mind that any subsonic round will have noticeable drop if shot at distance, especially a heavy bullet like .300 blk, pic related. If you need longer distance than that, then go with 5.56 on a short barrel and accept that it will not be safe for doggo. Or go for a .22lr suppressed (ruger 10/22) which will have less drop but also less power.


>but since you seem to be allergic to practicality
If you're looking for someone to tell you to get a bolt action or shotgun and slap a thermal on it, both you and them are retarded, and you shouldn't have made a thread. I really don't give a shit whether you're a fudd or not, it's just the best answer. You can substitute any other semi-auto intermediate caliber, i.e. a 7.62x39 suppressed AK, but they're not going to be any less mechanically complex or reliable than an AR.

>>65100885
You missed where I said I don't use optics cause of snagging.
I'm assuming you missed all the ar talk

Why do you keep telling me to slap thermals on things?
I don't want thermals on shit.
I don't want optics. Where the fuck have you been? You could of read some of my posts rather than typing this all out.
You ever do much more than shoot in your backyard, the range, or sit in a deer stand with hand warmers and a energy drink?
>>I took my gun in da woods just like you, I took it out of it's case off my ATV and climbed a tree! It got really dirty from all the Dorito crumbs! I cleaned it right away when I got home 6 hours later!


Want to buy my ar? All it needs is a new spring.
I hear they are great guns.

dunno why anyone is answering this thread seriously, op is either a shitposter or a twit on the summit of Mt. Stupid that wants to be spoonfed what he wants to hear

>>65100885
Recommend a piston ar and I'd be more than happy to go read about it. An ar isn't off the table. Im simply shy from negative experienced with them and I don't like how it is exhausted.

Piston ar plz. Ive read about everything people have suggested so far. I don't know the terms until people use them.

>>65100946
>I want a do-everything SHTF rifle
>No I don't want optics
NTA but you need to kill yourself.

>>65100961
So ar then?

>>65100965
>Im simply shy from negative experienced with them and I don't like how it is exhausted.
what?

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>>65100969
See
>>65099590

I'm not going to be running around operating during a shtf. I have everything. I produce everything.
Water.
Electric.
Septic.
Cistern
And food.
I heat with wood. My shtf situation is sitting in a bush and shooting you in the back of the head when my dog runs you.

My shtf is alot different than yours man. But that isn't going to happen realistically. Better safe than sorry tho right?
Rather have a round that will go through a thick coat I guess and it's more humane for the coyotes than a 1022 and peppering them.


I'm more of pre firing guy over a precision shooter.

>>65100980
Its earlier on the thread. Use search for the word shy. You will also see I'm 40+ and been using a 12g most My life and I'm getting recoil shy.

>>65100987
>I don't need improved target identification or acquisition or shooting capabilities beyond daylight hours in the apocalypse, I have a septic system
Anon do you actually have no idea what an optic does and how it helps or are you pretending to be a schizoid dumbass?

>>65098624
This is honestly the best answer in the thread.

12g mini shells. This is probably my answer.

props where it's due this guy has been LARPing as a mentally ill boomer hick for a day straight

>>65100997
...I have like 3 dogs that sleep outside.

>>I'll simply take 3 simultaneous shots into each dog at 1000 yards with a silenced 556.

Earlier on the thread I said everything here is hilly as fuck. There is no target acquisition outside of about 50 yards.

It be hard to angle shots into My dogs without getting so close that they would run you.

I'd probably wake up and shoot you like the raccoon. Like we were running. Hypotheticals, I feel pretty comfortable. Just blow me up with a drone or something.

>>65101001
The giveaway should have been that some 40-something idiot out in the brush who is clueless about guns came across huge inheritance and *then* came to 4chan for advice. It's just fantasy.

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>>65101001
2 days.

Any suggestion? Ar?

>>65101013
Cool so just mentally ill, got it.

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>>65101016
It wasn't huge. I can buy any gun I want and a maybe a car.
I troll all the time but on pol.
I genuinely came here to ask the gun guys about guns because, like I said, it's no different than a hammer or chainsaw or any other tool, I simply want it to work when I need it to and be able to live a dirty and hearty lifestyle.
I want a fud gun, not a range toy?

But like I said. Someone said pussy slugs and their right. Mini shells are probably my answer. I don't have to learn a new platform and I can keep using my shot gun.

>>65101016
we have had actual nutcases here, like the Alaska felon laser anon who wound up killing his ex and going to the slammer.

op is just some faggot pretending to be retarded though, it's too forced and coherent.

>>65101020
Sure.
How did you know I was autistic? Possibly my need for clarification? My over explaining?
Possibly my over sharing?

Or maybe my cadence?
Ar then? Right?

>>65101013
then get a fucking red dot you retarded ape, holy shit if you just wanted to have your decisions approved and turn down anything else then just fuck off

>>65101034
Jesus Christ man. Just ar then right? Make sure i take it to dinner and clean it every 3 mags?

I should of said clips lol.

>>65101043
No. I came here thinking about a Ruger mini.

Its actually been helpful because I genuinely forgot about mini shells.

Mini shells is currently where I'm at man.

>Retard having a melty
>Mediocre b8poster

Call it friendo

>>65101050
>too stupid for AR
>wants a more complex and finicky rifle
>devolves into settling for a pump 12 w/ minis for SHTF rifle
lmfaooooo m80

>>65101051
I'm voting bait. While not impossible, I find it hard to believe somebody's grandad wandered off of ARFCom and somehow ended up here. What are the chances he would know to self-deprecatingly refer to himself as a fudd, and be willing to do so?

>>65101031
Nah, you're just not believable hon. Better luck next time!

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I appreciate anyone who took this seriously.
I think I got enough info and people are starting to be dicks.

I can google stuff from here and I'll just go to a gun shop and put my hands on my stuff.

My bad y'all for offending the ar. Sorry.

>>65101031
>Someone said pussy slugs and their right. Mini shells are probably my answer.
You came in wanting a do all rifle for SHTF and you came to the conclusion this is what you wanted?

>>65101088
>I can google stuff from here and I'll just go to a gun shop and put my hands on my stuff
is english your first language?

>>65101103
He's retarded, tweaking or shitposting. Potentially all three.

>>65101148
Ah right, I should probably show y'all a picture of Charlie, managed to actually snap a pic of him once, fella usually doesn't like photos, and I respect him, but I wanted to celebrate our first year of living together, and he seemed fine with it.

>>65100965
PSA JAKL is a good choice for someone like you honestly. Affordable but solid action, and quite reliable. Comes over-gassed as fuck from the factory so will likely run on any ammo you feed it (if you're remotely competent you can also adjust the gas yourself fwiw)

>>65100504
>that's a 12 gauge shotgun made in turkey
Thanks anon.

>>65100852
>Why is it scoped?
Because scopes are aim-assist for the retarded.
More aim = more kill = more deadly, dangerous and necessitating respect from ones' peers
Do you think he owned that gun because he needed an ultra-compact form of self defence?
That's a thug gun, in this case arguably a zigger gun.

>>65100830
>Like can you noticeably feel that extra front weight?
it depend on the construction, some are made with steel, cheap but heavy, other are used different metals that are better and lightweight but they cost more. i personnaly use B&T suppressors, compared to an other one i own that is made of steel there's a HUGE difference in weight compared to each others when they are attached.

>Someone said sub sonic 30 30 and my ears peeled up. Do you know anything?
subsonic 30-30 is alright, it's essentially the grandpa of the .308, don't bother with subsonic 556/223 for hunting game except rabbits and small critters, and don't fall for the meme subsonic 300WM or sub 338 lapua, it's like taking a formula 1 car to get your groceries, it's fucking retarded and useless.
honestly i would avoid using subsonic ammo for any target further than 100 yd just because most subsonic rounds are not meant to travel long distances except those that were made for that purpose like .300 blackout or .458 socom.

from what i see in your posts, if you are seriously looking into a semi auto that won't brainstorm you at the slight malfunction then consider an AK or a VZ rifle, they are meant to be simple in mind, the bolt work the same as the M1 garand but reversed, the piston is just a steel rod in a cylinder like for cars and on top of that i've litterally seen some in the same state as your AR and worked just as good like out of the box, just remember to put the safety back on so the dust and mud don't get in the gun (VZ won't care about that because it's a closed action).
an other point, for Vz those made in .223 are apparently not that good and if you eventually pick a 7.62x39 rifle then get yourself soft point ammo instead of FMJ.

If possible ask your gunshop if they rent firearms and try out what interrest then just pick what seems more suited to you.