>send in the next wavehow do you beat this strategy?
>>65097052have a functioning economy and population base(memes aside, grant was a groundbreaking strategist)
>>65097057His strategy was pretty basic, his tactics were good at vicksburg though.His entire strategy can be boiled down to "Press our advantage in men and materiel, keep attacking, attack at all places on the "front" simultaneously, don't let the enemy move troops around or recover and attrit Lee's army to nothing even if we have to trade casualty rates which are somewhat in his favor."
>>65097052Have more bullets than the enemy has soldiers.
If Grant had been in charge from the start, the Civil War would be a footnote. They might not have even gotten to the point where the fucking 13th Amendment passed since it was almost 4 years after the war started. Retards not only lost, but didn't get what they wanted (politically) either.
>>65097052Be even more of an alcoholic. >send in the next waveHis predecessors would've found their next wave would've done significantly better than the previous one. I wonder if better real-time intelligence was the limiting factor, or if they really all were gutless.
>>65097127Gutless or inept.
>>65097127"gutless" also covers "lack of real-time intel" because if one was confident in what they were doing they'd persist rather than wait to see if it was workingotherwise some were just incompetent and only knew how to do the job halfway
>>65097052Dig in deeper. What's he going to do, dig under us and stack a ton of explosives?
>>65097052Don't start a war against an industrial nation as an agrarian society based off of slave labor. That, and don't start a war against an industrial navy capable of cutting off all international trade routes, sea and river ports.
>>65097052Did the confederates actually have a real chance prior to gettysburg or whatever the critical turning point battle was? I always heard the tide shifted and the north was getting btfo time and time again until the battle but did they have any real chance of winning even if the tide never shifted? Like surely they couldnt capture the north and take control
>>65097220Their only chance was Lincoln losing the election to that faggot McClellan and even then its doubtful
>>65097220i hate to say this but if you look close at most wars the outcome was a foregone conclusionit just gets real obvious the closer you get to the modern age
>>65097220Not at all. everyone wants to focus on the military aspect of the CSA, but when you look deeper at their economic and fiscal policies, there was no way it was going to survive even if the war never happened. When your currency is based on 'bro, trust me, England is going to buy soooooo much cotton from us, we'll be able to totally pay back all the bonds we issued,' and completely ignore England shifting their cotton trade to Egypt.
>>65097243* it doesn't end well when your entire free populous are the bag holders.
>>65097220Their best shot, and explicit strategy, was to inflict a decisive victory that would pull in European support in the style of Saratoga. However, they completely alienated Britain, which killed the whole endeavor.
>>65097220Oh, also there was a distinct possibility of the Union completely shooting themselves in the foot in the opening days, which came uncomfortably close to happening.
>>65097214>Don't start The South was invaded you dumb dumb. I'm a European and even I know that.
>>65097277>Euros have fallen for the Dixieboo revisionist historySad!
>>65097052
>Encounters a Confederate screening force>"OH FUCK! IT'S ALL 500,000 MEN OF THE ARMY OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA! DIG IN! DIG IN!">Wires Washington for more reinforcementsWhat the fuck was his problem?
>>65097540He could not decide whether to shit, or get off the pot.
>>65097214For me? It's stopping the export of your main crop, while increasing production of said crop at the expense of foodstuffs, thereby increasing the need to requisition food from local farmers, while losing bales of your main crop to the advancing Union armies who then sell it to northern textile factories and Europe anyway.
>>65097277Point of contention more like. The US never recognized the CSA and so was clearly not going to give up federal forts in their territory even if the CSA was technically correct about it being an invasion to occupy a fort in their territory. The South did have the legal ability to leave the union, realistically however, that was unacceptable to a US federal govt very invested in keeping outside influence off of it's continent. History of course being written by the winner means the CSA will never get a neutral shake in the history books. They will remain misunderstood rebel heroes to the South and her sympathizers and backwater racist traitors to the North or people who confuse her actuons during the civilnwar with some altruistic anti-racism crusade with both camps digging in their heels as they grow further and further separated from the Men who lived and fought in the war.
>>65097214It's wild that the south had a stupidly larger coastline than the north yet only a tiny fraction of the north's shipbuilding industry.
>>65097052Target the commander.Also, better fortifications.
>Your move, Yankee.
>>65097121>>65097540I always thought it was funny how McClellan hated Winfield Scott's slow burn economic plan for the war, and urged a grand Napoleonic style decisive battle to settle the war; but he could never really commit in the field to such engagements, and when he did, he always faltered at pushing any advantage.>>65097277How so? Federal facilities and properties didn't belong to the states upon seccession without arrangments being made.>>65097623To be fair Florida was barely settled and was nothing but undeveloped swamp (as was much of the Gulf coast in general). Also the south's plantation economy wasn't set up to promote local industry.
>>65097623Have you ever been to the South? Those wide, fertile, well watered coastal plains traversed by wide navigable rivers and long growing seasons are pretty much idea for the cash crop economy they had set up. Also, contrary to popular belief, the South was not some technologically backward impoverished dump. The states that made up the Confederacy actually had a more extensive railroad system and greater industrial output than second rate European powers, like Italy and the Austrian Empire. The North was just that much more industrialized.
>>65097650>Actually had a strategic impact on the war>Wasn't shot by his own men like a moron>Still makes southerners seethe 160 years later
>>65097849>The Shenandoah Valley campaign had no strategic impactNigger please. I’m sure Sherman would have done great out numbered 3:1 but I guess he never got that kind of opportunity fighting in the West
>>65097121>>65097214>>65097287>>65097849OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>65097243It wasn't a retarded line of thinking, just look at post-CW US cotton export figures. Rather the plan to use economic leverage in its favor was rendered null due to market oversupply in Britain and the war lasting long enough that developing Egypt and India into cotton suppliers became economically viable during the war itself.
>>65097802>extensive railroad system>tech amazeballs>industrial output greater than the Austro-Hungarian EmpireAs this oldfag types this from Tennessee, having spent a career in military service, and earned a minor in military history at college 100 years ago, I'm torn between being appalled at your utter stupidity, or laughing at the hilarity you put on display. Literally none of the "facts" you put up there are true except the North was, in fact, "much more industrialized". "Coastal plains"...lol. Bless your heart.
>>65098765The Atlantic Coastal Plain is where the Southern model of cash crop agriculture started. The Atlantic Coastal Plain still grows a lot of cash crops actually. All those inland waterways, nice long growing seasons, and sheltered estuaries are great for producing tobacco, cotton, indigo, etc and getting them to market.
>>65098765The CSA had 14,519km of railway track at the start of the ACW; the Austro-Hungarian Empire had 5,103km of railway track in 1884. By the start of WW1 the Austro-Hungarian Empire had a total of 22,981km of railway track.
>>65097849sherman would hate your guts along with most sherman posters.
>>65097650if he had been alive at gettsyburg the battle outcome might have been different.
>>65097220If1. polk doesn't violate kentucky's neutrality.2. csa doesn't fire the first shot at sumter (which happened due to a misunderstanding of jeff davis orders). This by itself might be enough to turn several states to the souths side depending on how the actual war ends up starting.3. Britain intervenes after wilkes affair. Not a full intervention and sending troops or anything but something. They weren't far off in our history.They have a chance, there were points where people were growing sick of the war.
>>65098818Even in the best case at Gettysburg the confederates win but take relatively even losses, the union army isn't destroyed (no army ever was in the civil war after a battle due to lack of cavalry and various reasons).They still lose vicksburg which is a huge blow and while bad for union morale and good for confederate there are still massive forts manned around washington and meades army is still between them and washington
>>65097540>Lincoln has failed to win us this war! You must elect me so I can end it!>"Uhh weren't you the primary field commander in charge of the army which could actually threaten Lee and the Confederate capital?"
>>65097220>Did the confederates actually have a real chance prior to gettysburg or whatever the critical turning point battle was?Yes. They by far had the better soldiers and (generally) better commanders during the entirety of the war. Their problem is that it was 11.5 states with 11.5 armies fighting 11.5 wars. Union had unity of command which meant they could better allocate resources, which over the course of the war ground the south to dust.
>>65098970The better soldiers and better commanders bit near the end falls apart because Lincoln kept firing people until he got rid of the retards through process of elimination, and the quality of the soldiery went up as the war went on because the boys in blue had time to (over the preceding four years) to start to actually gain veterans and a better, stronger officer corps who could enforce better discipline, training, and understanding as to what sort of war they were in. It took time, but they hardened up. That is, frankly, what killed the CSA's chances: they fucked up too many times and gave the Union enough time to actually form a functioning army. If you look at the union and confederate KDRs as the war kept going, and plotted them out on a graph overlaid, you can see it. Vicksburg, IMO, is where it truly ended. Then not even a year later, Grant is put in charge because of Vicksburg, and he started cleaning house, using the tools the way they were meant to be used. Almost every consequential Union campaign (and accompanying victory) happened in mid to late '63. That isn't a coincidence. It's why I said at the start of the this thread, that if Grant had been in charge from the start this would have been a far shorter, less divisive conflict because the political bullshit that would've occurred in its place likely would still be going on to this day. Imagine a world where the 13th was never ratified because the conflict ended too fast. I'm tired of the discourse of "What if the South had won?" Nigga, what if the North had won too fast? Lincoln's own words back up that he only turned to abolition so late because he felt he had no other choice politically.
>>65097220I think their only chance would have been to negotiate with Seward before the shooting started for an invasion and annexment of Mexico and the whole of central America down to the isthmus in exchange for those land grants being paid as compensation for turning over the slaves and forbidding the practice. That would have been a considerably easier campaign for the CSA/USA and the white house was already mulling the idea. They would both have come out way ahead with far fewer casualties, no reconstruction and just deportation of the farm equipment back to wherever was convenient. After which they are allowed to reenter the union with all the new states
>The South will rise again!!!!>Never rises again>Will always stay an inbred, poor shithole full of fat low IQ retardskek
>>65098765The only country more industrialized than the South was the UK and parts of France. The South was backwater by Northern standards, but also still an economic and industrial juggernaut. It was just Goliath fighting Omnicron, basically.
south's songs: hoorah! :D yippee hooray! :)north's songs: wrath of god >:( souls marching from the grave >:( no retreat >:((((
>>65099305you are brown
>>65097052>how do you beat this strategy?
>>65099843>Southern inbred retard calling anyone brownholy lack of self-awareness batman
>>65100021OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>65099175interesting alt history, no slavery but mega land barons
>>65099305>The South will rise again!!!!Okay, but why? So they can re-introduce slavery? What's the gameplan here?
>>65097052The siwwy cowonials have no heawy cawalry, you know!
>>65097650https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuF2y-_h73U>>65099742They hate to see a white boy get a little motionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpSR0oI5zy8
>>65100309I think the plan is to deport all the negroes to the northern states which love negroes.
>>65100524Nice try Cleetus, we all know you love Jamal. Else you would not have fought so hard to keep him around.>Boy I hate nigfers so much I'm going to make it the central pillar of my personality and constantly talk Bout how much I hate them>But don't you dare try to take my niggers away
>>65097277So true! Germany was only ever protecting itself from Polish agression.
>>65099742>>65100459The Battle Hymn of the Republic is one of, if not the most beautiful and impactful song/melody of the war, and definitely one of the best in Historyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCR4ZTY5ijM
>>65098245>africaUhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>65098993>13th wasn't ratifiedThat was an inevitability, slavery WAS going to die and unironically the South actually gained political power when they signed the 13th and 14th amendments due to the repeal of the 3/5ths compromise.
>>65097277>I'm a European and even I know that.It's good to know that retarded revisionist bullshit reaches even the "superior" European "people." The South started the war because they didn't like the outcome of an election. This is a fact, no matter how much faggots cry about it.
>>65097606Fort Sumter was on land specifically ceded to the Federal government and therefore was not part of the state. It wasn't rented. It wasn't just a temporary property. It was permanently ceded to the Federal government. Not only that, but it's obvious that they did not have the legal right to dissolve the Union unilaterally. This is just a fact of forming a state.
>>65097802Southerners were so retarded that they walked barefoot in their own shit, leading to hookworm being so prevalent that Northerners after the goddamn war thought of Southerners as lazy faggots. It took the Rockefeller Foundation and good will toward these fucking inbreds to finally solve the issue by spending millions to convince these cousinfuckers that you should not, in fact, walk around barefoot in your own shit.
>>65097650OH SHIT ITS A YANKEE SCOUT SHOOT HIM!
>>65097052Dig in and hold ground instead of trying to push north. Immediately expend all available resources into rapid naval building with forts to protect crucial harbors. Securing the ability to continue to trade is paramount, otherwise we simply lose to economics.Offer incredibly generous terms to any territory willing to join the cause.
>>65099305The south is the most populous and fastest growing part of the U.S.
>>65101242And as of like 2023 Texas' largest plurality is LatinXs. I wonder if those things are correlated.
>>65100021im from the north dickhead
>>65097062The strategic decision to let Sheridan and Sherman off their leashes was unconventional compared to his predecessors and had a massive effect on the outcome of the war. I'd give Grant credit for recognizing his subordinate's abilities and capacity to raise hell.
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>>65100974man that image goes hard
>>65101478I think the eagle is kind of stupid
>>65101520why? shit's real. they had a live eagle there
>>65101580The static look of the bird conflicts with the rushing motion of the rest of the picture. Those men are charging forward through gunfire and there's a bird on a perch.
>>65101660How is it static? It's hunched and screeching.
>>65099843you are not wrong.
>>65101216>>65101456pickets do be jumpy. John S. Mosby mentions nearly being shot by friendly pickets while scouting and nearly shooting friendlies on his own pickets back when he was a line cavalry trooper on several occasions. He also got straight off the steamboat that delivered him in a prisoner exchange directly to Robert E. Lee to give critical intel. The day officer told him to fuck off and it was only an adjutant interceding that he was able to see Lee and tell him the critical info that Burnside wouldn't be reinforcing Little Mac.
