Lmao.https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-turns-ukrainian-counter-drone-tech-after-iran-attacks-sources-say-2026-04-22/
Something something turntables
I still dont understand why zelensky doesnt just tell the orange negro to fuck off after all the scenes he has donne and they even have the audacity to ask for the patriot system back from the poles(who rightfuly told them to fuck off)I get iran is allied with russia, but israel sided with them too, and they have not even lent a single merkava that could have been field tested in ukraine and they could have gotten valuable knoledge on how to counter drones, now they have to resort to cope cages
>>65099437It's a business opportunity. In showing off Ukraine's antidrone abilities he gets to market to potential future customers, and even allies. Also acting magnaminously is helping establisb a reputation of reliability which I think people are finding in short supply recently.But don't confuse this with kotowing to Truml. I think Ukraine fully knows he's a lost cause and this is all trying to diversify its connections in case he attempts the final rug pull.
>>65099437Like he said >>65099444 it’s just good geopolitics and good statecraft, simple as... but it also undermines Trumps message to the world and at home that Ukraine is a lost cause and has no cards left to play.
>>65099433>you have no cards to play!How the turntables have turntabled.
>>65099433'Last person we need help from is Zelensky' — Trump rebuffs Ukraine's drone defense offerMarch 13.Humiliation ritual. https://kyivindependent.com/trump-ukraine-drone-defenses/
>>65099437>I still dont understand why zelensky doesnt just tell the orange negro to fuck offUkraine needs all the help they can get. Imagine the only person who could save your family is a retarded narcisist high on his own farts, would you tell him to fuck off and doom your family or swallow your pride and suck up to him? You can be sure that if and when the situation in Ukraine stabilizes they will never give even a single cent/concession to the US. The amount of hate for the US in Ukraine is second only to middle eastern countries.
>>65099437Divide and conquer doesn't work when everyone sees you're brown.
>>65099517>Immediately outs himself as doing what the other guy claimed he was doingLmao, Russia isn't sending their best
>>65099506Please explain what part of his post is in any way "divide and conquer"
>>65099517Back to /pol/ you go.>>65099525His other post is >>65099481. Should I even explain why?>le Ukraine should definitely cut ties with le great Satan oh I mean the united states it will really help with fighting off orcs (btw le mighty Poccia isn't hurt by weekly refinery strikes, they're so kewl oh and Iran too!)>the usual da joooz rant
>>65099526Am I? Oh dear. Another thing to confess to Father Liam on Sunday I guess. I think he'll take it hard.
>>65099536I-i'm sorry Anon but... They came to your bed at night with scissors and everything.. They took it, Anon, I'm so sorry, there's no way back....
>>65099543But, but. I was using that! It's an integral part of the apparatus. Did the rabbi at least give it a little suckle like they show on /pol/? I wouldn't like to think the little guy went without getting a full service.
>>65099535>Should I even explain why?Yes, explain.
>>65099566Oh what a disingenuous rat you are.
>>65099568I accept your concession.
>>65099433If they send that hillbilly faggot Vance there to ask please it'll be funny enough to crack the planet in half with laugher
>>65099593Why does the admin keep sending that fucktard? He has negative charisma, everybody in the same room with him looks shittier and dumber. Even the White House gate security guard would probably be a better envoy.
>>65099612He is being very consistent though, everything he touches turns to complete shit!I can't believe they sent him to Hungary to do the rabble rousing, someone wasn't exactly 'reading the room' when it came to the europeans and that country in particular. If anything having that retard sent there probably lost them more votes than anything else.
>>65099612>Why does the admin keep sending that fucktard?Because everyone in the admin are fucktards.
>>65099437I'm sure it would be very satisfying, but telling the orange negro to fuck off wouldn't really get him anything he needs.
>>65099612Dunno, but it is getting kinda funny to watch
>>65099436>>65099433
>>65099633>FrancisMore like Vance got BTFO by the Pope. The worm did fuck-all to the Pope.
>>65099433Is this the least competent US administration in history? US bases all around the gulf have been emptied as US personnel have to disperse from the bombings
>>65099633saved
>>65099652They're very competent at looting the US economy and federal government.
>>65099621Don’t forget how funny it was when Orban was shredding information from his CPAC contacts. Fucking hilarious.
>>65099657Surprised the nigger is even in the country, I would have thought there would be a fast plane and one way trip to Moscow cued up, go play COD and Stardew Valley with Bashar
>>65099686It's too early for a case to be filed against him at home. It's coming though.
>>65099686No way to get the zebras as carry-on luggage
>>65099433>start war with drone exporting nation>get offered help by nation those same drones attack>tell them to fuck off>get fucked by drone>have no idea how to deal with them>ask for the help you rejectedI really wish Ukraine was in a position to give Iran advice on executing drone attacks instead.
>>65099433>Ukrainian Sky Map software platform deployed at Prince Sultan Air Base to counter drone threatsso not the us but saudis why the fuck they need to lie so much
>>65099652They're certainly trying to take the top spot from Buchanan that's for sure.
>>65099710Are you saying that the US Air Force relies on Saudi AA to defend one of their major bases of operation?
>>65099433say *thank you*
>>65099652One of the things that irked me was that one of the federal departments closed down by this administration was the US Chemical Safety BoardSo no more cool 3D animations of industrial accidents ever again(Also good luck to Burgers that work in industrial plants, I guess not dying horrifically when a steam pipe bursts and melts off your face is too woke or something)
>>65099734No, he's saying he's unaware of what Prince sultan air base is, and what's there. >>65099710It's a US airbase for all practical purposes.
>>65099535nice catch>>65099437because you're a seething little commie shitskin, simple as :)
>>65099437because Ukraine still needs the US. Did you really think they didn't? LOL
>>65099707Iran was literally supplying the weapons that were killing the Ukrainians, you thirdie shill.
On your knees.Lower.
>>65099770You have to understand, to him face is more important than that.
>>65099737OSHA still is a thing.
>>65099652You just have to trust the plan. Once you realise the plan is to make themselves obscenely rich it all makes sense.
>>65099819I just posted a thread on the containment board about confiscating wealth from this corruption and they're losing their minds. I couched it in the requisite faggotry of course. Hilarious.
>>65099815wont be by the end of the term lmao
>>65099437Zelensky's thinking long term instead of short term. Trump's on his way out, what would the next admin think? Also this >>65099444
>>65099845>2 more years
>>65099621Nobody even knew who Vance was in Hungary, so it was totally useless to send him anyway. Either way Trump will play it as a positive>I sent him to get rid of Orban haha, democracy ftwIf it came to it, it won't come to it, but if it did. Trump would value his look over upsetting Putin in this case.
>>65099856They may not know him personally, but I'm sure they knew the American vice president of the Trump administration was there to support Orban.
>>65099433I still don't understand why we attacked without our own anti-drone tech in place. We have APKWS2, Howler, Sgt Stout, etc that all entered service in the last few years. Where were they?
>>65099444Ukraine also has shown a willingness to partner up with individual European states to meet the defense needs of each state. Spain has been a huge benefactor in this and I think Ukraine's willingness to help out Turkey's aviation industry where its needed has won over enough people to get their foot in the door. There's also the factor that Ukraine is willing to allow the individual countries to set up local production along with the needed technology transfers and technical knowhow on how to setup production lines
>>65099863Shooting down party balloons in el paso.
>>65099504>The amount of hate for the US in Ukraine is second only to middle eastern countries.Then the US should exit the conflict
>>65099734Prince Sultan Airbase relies on an American owned and operated Patriot battery for air defense.
>>65099691>It's coming though.What are you basing this off of?
>>65099845delusions
>>65099707You fags want to see dead Americans so badly its crazy
>>65099872if the US does anything short of firing nukes, Ukrainians will hate them
>>65099885he's a war tourist SJW
>>65099628Zelensky doesn't have to say a single word.Everyone in is already laughing their asses off.Well, mostly. Trump still causes incredible economic damage to the US and Europe, presumably to please his handlers in Moscow or Beijing, whoever holds the kompromat.
>>65099885Trump wants that, this is absolutely a war he chose afterall.
I have a feeling politics is going to become very scary and confusing for some anons here when orange man becomes a lame duck/leaves office
>>65099880Oh, I don't know, everything he did in office. Hey, maybe they'll let it go for the sake of reconciliation. Maybe not.
Post guns you fucking queers
>>65099872You already did
>>65099504>give people a hundred billion dollars>they hate youThe U.S. should just nuke Europe at this point. Completely useless ally.
>>65099903Except for the satellite intelligence and battlefield connectivity that Ukraine is entirely reliant upon.
>>65099907Maybe do not publicly humiliate their head of states, leak Intel to the Russians or try to force them to accept Russians demands next time.
>>65099504>You can be sure that if and when the situation in Ukraine stabilizes they will never give even a single cent/concession to the US. The amount of hate for the US in Ukraine is second only to middle eastern countries.is this zigger cope? the US is still one of the biggest contributors to Ukraine defense, just not in donations
>>65099908They rely on shitty French Intel now. US stopped answering the phone long time ago.
>>65099910You're right, they should go with the Euros who send trillions in oil and gas payments to Russia.
>>65099819Still baffles me how people thought a filthy rich New York elite was on their side and wanted what was best for them.
>>65099897hundreds of ground troops would have been deployed by now. You are being a silly willy.
>>65099912That's a claim I've only see substantiated from the French sources. Ukrainian sources say US intelligence remains available and vital to their battlefield ops.
>>65099920Theres no real choice anyways.
>>65099899The pivot to "Rubio is even MORE insane and dangerous than Trump ever was!" won't even take a nanosecond.
>>65099829that's one way to admit you posted a shitty /pol/ thread
>>65099920>filthy rich New York elitegod please anything but a filthy rich DC elite haha
>>65099929Fruit of a poison tree far as I'm concerned. He's complicit. In everything.
>>65099922>France indulging in a little sour grapesMakes sense. They’ve done it with every other country, why not the US?
>>65099920>vote to raise tariffsEffective tariff rate triples>vote to curtail immigration Southern border crossings are at all time lows and net negative migration in 2025>vote for law and ordermurder rate at 125 year low>vote to shrink federal government 250,000 useless bureaucrats fired>vote for no taxes on tips, overtime, and social security The OBB passes including all theseBy about any metric, Trump has been very good about his follow through to voters, and you sound like a mad shill.
>>65099815Fucking barely. OSHA is useless and neutered.
>>65099937Yes, you do pretend to think that thing I just said you would.
>>65099941Someone tell my boss. I still have to check particle counts in my workspace weekly.
>>65099937Complicit in making the country better? He has my vote
>>65099652Nothing, and I mean nothing will top L.B. Johnson's tenure just for the civil rights act alone.
>>65099937A poison tree that Europeans happily gobble the fruit of if its blue and has a D next to their name even if that person hates European culture.
>>65099954Europeans don't vote in American elections, youd fucking retard
>>65099957Are you retarded? Im not talking about voting, you Eurotards are just diet American liberals at the end of the day.
>>65099941What? OSHA is still doing great and are as anal as they ever was.
>>65099961Oh that's true. My bad I misread your post. It's pretty hilarious how pozzed Euros are. I feel like this thread is full of old cat ladies and their corresponding cringe takes. I guess it's the result of controlled media.
>>65099973You are not immune to propaganda.
>>65099963No, you don't understand; it's impossible for Trump to do anything good. If you even suggest maybe he has a point in cutting the multiple layers of inefficient and reduant federal bureaucracy you are evil.
>>65099929There won't be a pivot, there will jsut be nothing.Just a two year wait while teh Trump grifter clique elf destructs, and Europe will be two more year along the road to not requiring US products.
>>65099977Everyone is always selling something. Once you recognize we're all motivated by self-interest the world becomes much easier to navigate.
>>65099979Nah the moment a Democrat gets in, even if its a brown woman who thinks wypeepo are the devil, Europeans will claim Trumpism is dead and that the US is saved.
>>65099979It's funny how western Europe thinks they're the whole continent. The entire eastern flank recognizes the Brussels cohort is just a bunch of whiny women and fags and are only getting closer to the U.S.
>>65099937>He's complicit. In everything.my mans acting like he took part in genocide lol wut
>>65099996There is no greater sin for a leftist than hurting the feelings of illegals and the women running the EU.
>>65099939Based MIGA lobbyist dropping truthbombs
>>65099894I'm still waiting for the US economy to implode. I was promised that.
>>65099978wow you're right, I'm glad Trump kicked those freeloading vets off financial aid so they lose their homes and research to cure cancer is probably gay anywaysHe's still running trillion dollar deficits btw, it doesn't matter how many pennies you pinch while you spend money like a drunken sailor on cocaine and give massive tax cuts to billionaires
>>65100029mr. I'm with Her over here
Thirdie thread.
>>65100036delusional
>>65100029I'm just saying, you don't have to like these policies, but the claim that Trump is uniquely self-interested or incompetent as a politician, doesn't hold up when you look at his record. Obviously, if you're a democrat that loves illegal immigrants, large government, and crime the Trump hate makes sense.
>>65100037>immediately seethes like a bitchkek
>>65100036Cancer research is a major grift. If the project is government funded why am I paying for more than just the materials and labor to perform the cure?
>>65099815Yeah, man. Why do we even have a center on infectious diseases? We have the Deapartment of Health. Why have a GI or Cardiology department in hospitals when we have an Emergency Department? Educating and employing specialists is woke.
>>65100036What are you even saying? As for the VA my understanding is it's still bad but hasn't gotten worse and may have marginally improved. And what's this nonsense about cancer researchers? Billionaire didn't get a tax cut, they avoided a rate rise from a lapse in the law. The only tax cuts were dedictions aimed at tips, overtime, social security, and full plant expensing for American businesses.
>>65100050Administrative redudancy just costs you money.
>>65100044>seethe sbout political enrichment when Pelosi does it>doesn't care when Trump and his family does it>seethes about corruption and bribery when sleepy Joe does it>doesn't care when Trump accepts 400 mil $ planes from ragheads>doesn't care when every grant and federal contract lands on Trump or anyone close to Trump>doesn't care when Trump sues the shit out of everyone, including the USA, in hopes of billion dollar paydays
>>65100054Brainless drone
>>65099436I mean. It's not like America has completely dropped support for Ukraine.
>>65100050Nobody is arguing against cancer research. We are arguing against wasteful and politicized government spending. Do you know for most of these grants less than half goes to the actual project? The rest is plowed back into university slush funds which they use to fund hack scholarship and administrative bloat.
>>65099437The difference between you and Zelensky is that Zelensky isn't going to let his ego get in the way of protecting his country.
>>65100054Your post bears it out. Politicians from both countries are laughably corrupt. However one party is enacting substantive policies that are good, the other opens up the southern border to brown horses and directs government bodies like the NTSB and the military to fight climate change and gender discrimination as their top priority.
>>65100061>Nobody is arguing against cancer research.Yeah you're right, nobody is arguing against cuts to cancer research, because that already happened. The NCI had its funding cut by 31% last year
>>65100058Facts dont matter when it comes to lefty feelings.
>>65100070Does not matter when hospitals and insurance companies financially abuse patients with even a thousand in assets.
>>65100070Okay, that means nothing without the context of what kind of funding was cut and what type of projects were affected.Just throwing money at a problem, especially in the past when NCI has funded studies with dubious connections to cancer, does not mean that money is well spent.
>>65100075Sounds like a you problem
>>65100084Sounds like youre a foreigner kvetching about nothing then
>>65100075Actually does when you fuck with the funding to universites and labs conducting studies on different aspects of cancer, its treatment options, genetic indicators, and other shit that needs expensive equipment, professionals, and starving grad students to measure and monitor. But I wouldn't expect someone who couldn't advance past a middle school literacy test to understand that.
>>65100087>youre>kvetchingMaybe you learn to speak some English next time before you post on an American website, turdie
>>65100069Yes, deleting things like Chemical Safety Board is a policy change that is sure to improve people's lives. Not dying in an industrial accident is woke homo leftism
>>65100070NCI didn't have it's funding cut, you liar.https://www.cancer.gov/about-nci/budgetIts funding is set at $7.5 billion.
>>65099437Because Ukraine still needs us more than we need them and we’ve sent them billions in equipment and munitions? What would be gained by refusing to give the US counter drone tech and expertise exactly? >>65099504>The amount of hate for the US in Ukraine is second only to middle eastern countries.Ungrateful euro cope. >>65099707Cope harder third worlder.
>>65100095Retard
>>65100096The CSB wasn't deleted. Trump signed a law in February funding it.
>>65100089Private companies are the ones making the treatments idiot. They still charge you a life ruining amount of money even if the government taxes you to psy for R+D.t getting government money to design for profit medical equipmemt.
Democrats will always scream about how something receiving cuts is KILLING PEOPLE and LITERALLY MURDER and then it turns out the thing that was cut was like a board that issues non-binding recommendations for optimal aglet length that actually spends 40% of its budget on promoting GAYACRONYM+ acceptance.
>>65099437Frog posters are and continue to be a blight on humanity
>>65100122We'll be getting those rebate checks any day now I'm sure!
>>65100122It is pretty wild. I was at a dinner monday with 4 law school professors. After a few drinks they entered into bitch about government cuts to colleges mode. At first it was typical liberal bitching, but when they turned to the impact on particular school, magically the funding cuts had no substantive effects. It turns out each one of these schools had all these useless centers and faculty positions that sucked down grant money but were utterly dysfunctional, defunct, or irrelevant.
>>65099919This is a lie, by the way
>>65100122closing usaid killed people
>>65100144It certainly killed the careers of some people on Twitter
>>65099908Nope, you stopped that last year
>>65100144Yeah, brown people
>>65100139No it isnt. Between 2014 and 2022, EU countries sent something like 3.5 trillion in payments to Russia. Since 2022 the pace has slowed, but is approaching an additional trillion. More than all the aid to Ukraine combined, and also roughly equivalent to the amount of spending cuts Europe imposed on its own military during that period.Europe has good PR, but their main contributions as allies in the 21st century have been giving Russia billions while simultaneously cutting their own militaries.
>>65100144USAID closing is the reason brown countries are awful shitholes?
>>65099939Now post the homicide rates chart so we can laugh at you.
>>65100157>3.5 trillionYou pretty much made this number up. Again, you are lying. Or you are just a dumbass.
>>65100149You got a single source backing that up? Last I saw the U.S. was giving Ukraine targeting data on Russian refineries. Nothing indicates that's changed. There was a brief pause in March 2025.
>>65100163NTA but its at least half a trillion betweem 2014-2022
>>65100168>targeting data on Russian refineriesyeah those pesky Russian refineries keep moving from place to place all thr time, thats why Ukraine needs targetting data for them
>>65100162
It actually took one post to derail the thread into mutt politics shitflinging.I am indeed implessed.
>>65100172Unlike the goalposts which you keep moving
>>65100171Cool that is a better number already
>>65100177My first time replying to you so calm down, you bitch ass faggot
>>65100178In comparison, Europe has given Ukraine about 200 billion.
>>65100182>Europe PAID half a trillion>Europe GAVE 200 billiongee is there a difference anyone can see here?
>>65099504>The amount of hate for the US in Ukraine is second only to middle eastern countriesOK Ivan, calm down.Ukies are understandably pissed at Trump, but not at the US in general.
>>65100186>Ukies are understandably pissed at Trump, but not at the US in general.Don't speak for me. And you clowns ELECTED the bigger clown who is openly in bed with monke.
>>65100185Well it gets worse, after invading Crimea, Russia got half a trillion, Ukraine got 17 billion between 2014-2022.
>>65100168it's the russian air defense locations that ukraine gets intelligence on
>>65100188you don't sound at all unhinged
>>65100182In what time? Because comparing pre-2022 seems a bit unfair. When it comes to post-2022, EU had paid slightly over 200 billion to Russia and their reliance is going down more and more. Since 2022, the aid given to Ukraine is at over 300 billion and the aid is actually speeding up. You have to understand nuance, instead of just slapping two numbers next to each other and calling it a day.
>>65100188>openly in bed with monkeDespite the part where he seizes his tankers and blows up his allies.
>>65100194Thats post 2022, in total Europe hss given Ukraine about half what they gave Russia.
>>65099633It's pope Leo unless Vance also fucked up something with the previous pope
>>65100196>Yes daddy Putin! Harder!-Trump
>>65100194I can say the Europeans are pretty retarded for cutting their own militaries while paying Russia hundreds of billions in energy bills each year. After being warned by two presidents of different parties that it was retarded and should stop.Now I have to listen endlessly about how the U.S. is in bed with Russia, because we only sent $150 billion to a country an entire ocean away that is not a formal ally.
>>65100189and Europe paid Ukriane more than 300billion for imports from Ukraine>>65100198>gave russia>like it's a gift >not a purchase of goods
>>65100199Pope Francis died 24 hours after meeting Vance
>>65100201You know who the buyers of that unsanctioned oil are, right? It's the Europeans. The move is explicitly so Euros can purchase Russian oil at sea that would otherwise be secretly offloaded at sea and sold in asia.
>>65100211>It's the Europeanswrong. Stop watching fox news, you inbred muttoid.
>>65100198>Thats post 2022, in total Europe hss given Ukraine about half what they gave Russia.Again, this is just a dumb blatant lie. Do you count all the Russian tankers EU seized in your made up number?
>>65100205You mean Russian oil traveling through Ukraine.
>>65100211you have a source for that?
>>65100173Post the actual chart. It's public, I know you're avoiding it and I know why.
>>65100214Its simple math, roughly half a trillion vs 200 in aid post 2022 plus 17 billion in loans in the time before 2022.
>>65100218?
>>65100215>we doesn't know how pipelines fit into import/export statistics>he assumes they get counted at every border crossing>he doesn't know they are attributed to the source country
>>65100218
>>65100225I dont need to divine goat entrails to know that it was coming ultimately from Russia.
>>65100223>>65100227what happened in the early 1960s?
>>65100220So you are comparing money given to Russia by global economic means between 2014-2022 to money given to Ukraine by war aid means in 2022-2026? Are you mentally challenged?
>>65100231>But we were buying oil though!You were funding the 2022 invasion and have yet to throw enough money to undo that.
>>65100229There were a lot of social and legal factors at play. Rising drug use, the civi rights movement and its accordance unrest, demographic changes, etc.I also think and underappreciated change was the Supreme Court started using the fourth amendment to curtail aggressive but effective police tactics.
>>65100229Years of Rage started. Did you know that the US had the equivalent of one domestic terrorist bombing a week during the 70s? Most people sort of forget that factoid.
>>65099644Vance was last official visitor see pope Francis alive, like day or two before he passed. Current pope is pope Leo XIV.
>>65100238I bet that sounded cool in your subpar brain jesus fuck
>>65100250Oh poor baby can't handle it.
>>65100111Wow. You just innately knew how to design this medical equipment as well as how the conditions you treat with the same equipment work. None of that required an education, experimentation, or research grants? Hell, not even a fucking internship? Fucking wow man!t. former university grant researcher
>>65100196Then he tries to make Ukraine surrender to Russia, puts a stop to all military aid which Vance calls the admin's proudest moment, and doesn't deliver the weapons Yuropoors buy from us because they might end up in Ukraine.>>65100204Trump is in bed with Putin because he obviously lends massive amount of political support and credibility to Putin. Stop being a fucking cuck.
>>65100257I didnt ask for a barista's opinion. Ive been in industry for longer than youve been sucking your professor's dicks.
>>65100231>become dependent on Russia for your energy>cut your own military spending to the bone>Putin invests the money you send him to rebuild his army >do nothing even after Obama tells you it's retarded, Putin invades Ukraine, and Trump I tells you it's retarded again >Putin then invades all of Ukraine>so intertwined with Russia it takes until late 2024 where more money is on net flowing to Ukraine than RussianAnd worst of all>complain the Americans are in bed with Putin with Russian jizz leaking out of your Eurotrash butts
>>65099734>>65099741obviously not ofc i dont believe jack shit about this ukraine relies almost 90% on their c6isr on usa to say that usa doesnt have a radar capable to detect drones is insane and laughable
>>65100228annon that would mean that all imports via pipelines get counted every time they cross bordersthat would wreck import/export statistics to the point they aren't usable anymorethat's why pipeline goods only get attributed to the source and end user country
>>65100264>he's a retarded tradie with an inferiority complexkek
Redditors seem nervous about all those planes heading towards Iran.
>>65100047and all you could say about >>65099939 was "MIGA". Your brain is fried lmao. You should have voted for Hilldawg harder.
>>65100269>No experience babby talkingJust pit the fries in the bag buddy, someday youll be able to afford your own apartment Im sure.
>I buy your goods from you>you make a x% profit margin on those goods>that profit gets taxed at y%>this means we can compare the total volume of trade with money given as aid without cost and directly to the state
>>65100122Nevermind that, Demoshits literally want to pry your guns out of your dead hands. Look at Virginia and tell me these "people" are sane. Jay Jones literally fantasized about murdering kids in leaked text messages and they STILL VOTED FOR HIM
>>65100263Ukraine giving up the donbas, either at the table or by force is the where this war is going to end. And BTW that is a massive win for Ukraine. However if the Ukrainians prefer to fight it out, that's their right. I don't think it entitles them to infinite support from American when Europe can do the job.As for Putin, his army, nukes, and natural resources make him relevant and credible whether we like it or not. As much as we may like to treat him like Kim Jong Un he isn't. And the European strategy of trying to freeze Russia out of the cool kids club hasn't borne fruit. If anything it's made the relationship even worse and possibly set the stage for more violence. Even in Europe you're slowly seeing it dawn on the leaders there that they will have to deal with Putin for the foreseeable future and there should at least be dialog with Russia
>>65100228The euroids cope endlessly about how it doesn't count as paying Russia unless the check is written out specifically to Russia.
>>65100185yeah, they aren't exactly virtuous
>>65100287I to think that Russia is a credible international partner after blatantly lying their asses off and breaking their word time and time again
>>65100279Ah yes the oil industry has grocery store margins
>>65100265Yuroid leadership is so fucked they need a boogeyman. le ORANGE BLUMPF
>>65100291>>65100292#1 job opportunity for retired Euro politicians is a board seat at a Russian gas company
>>65100287>Ukraine giving up the donbasUkraine giving up one of its more defensible territories would ensure Russia will try for the rest in a few years. Appeasing expansionist dictators never fucking works.
>>65100298Credible as a threat, obviously Trump has exposed that Russian and Chinese support for the global south is about as strong as wet tissue paper.
>>65100312credible as not even able to beat Ukraine
>>65100265You are really bad at this
>>65100311I don't really buy the whole Russia can try again in a few years argument. It's been badly bloodied by the war and the costs of demobilizing and remobilizing will be prohibitive. And in the age of drone warfare, I don't see a particular piece of territory as determining battlefield success. Russia already has access to flat plains in Zaporizhzhia, but isn't making much progress there. The whole fortress belt meme seems more about soothing Ukrainian sensitivity over ceding territory than operational concerns.
>>65100318Well this goes to the heart of European schizophrenia on Russia.It's simultaneously the biggest threat to the continent that demands major mobilization and an expectation that America will give Europe unqualified support to combat it, while also pathetically bogged down in Eastern Ukraine and just an aid package and sanction away from total collapse. As an American I don't know what they want (other than my money).
>>65100320Facts are frustrating
>>65100206To be fair, after seeing the first act of the coming shit show, I think Francis explicitly stated he wanted the next pope to be American born in order to try and give Americans a good international figurehead instead of a demented pedophile with a bad spray tan and a Peter Thiel meat puppet with eye liner.Gracie, Papa Francisco
>>65100336Russians are subhuman, ergo you should want as many dead as possible. Leading them on and letting them think they have a chance if they just keep sending smertniks is the best way to kill Russians.
>>65100342You're cooked dude
>>65100342Nah he was scared that an African chud wouldnt be liberal enough
>>65100350I'm totally fine with that. I'm even more fine with Euros paying for it while Truml goes around smacking Russian allies and monopolizing the global oil trade.
>>65100336you get it all wrongthe damage russia could inflict is credible, russian victory is not ergo measures should be taken that allow the damage that they can inflict to be minimized
>>65100357>liberallike Christ?
>>65100371Read The Bible Christ is a globalist Christian supremacist.
>>65100354Ok boomer>>65100357I can tell you have never had Mass with an African priest. >>65100264Ok boomer. You can act like there were zero government hand outs on your way to your education and profession, or you can accept the fact that cutting federal funding from research and universities has a tangible effect on the quality and quantity of research and development of different scientific fields.
>>65100383Oh no little buddy has brain cancer
>>65100383>cutting federal funding from research and universities has a tangible effect on the quality and quantity of research and development of different scientific fields.This naively assumes that all government funding is productive and well spent. It often isn't.
>>65100362Wouldn't ending the war reduce the chance of Russia causing damage? Like I think the Europeans and the Russians have gotten extremely comfortable pouring weapons into their border zone. Right now there seems to be a tacit understanding, but that could all literally be blown up by a Russian drone or Euro cruise missile that ends up (accidentally or on purpose) somewhere it shouldn't.
>>65100342who the cares what Catholics think
>>65099903So what's the problem?
>>65100389No shit Sherlock. But the positive progression outweighs/negates much of the "waste".Think of it like this, did the fire department waste a thousand dollars worth of manpower and water putting out a fire in a dilapidated building, or did they save millions of dollars worth of damages to the city block if they let the fire engulf the whole block?
>>65100397as long as russia is stuck in Ukraine it hasn't the means to start causing damage elsewhereas long as the Ukrainians want to keep fighting Europe will keep backing them and the russians will keep bleeding. thus mitigating the amount of damage they could cause where they to attack elsewhere
>>65099894I thought it was Israel that owned him? ...or, wasn't it Elon Musk at one point? I wonder how all the people and countries that own Trump decide who's turn it is.
>>65100416Again that assumes the money is being spent wisely when its not.
>>65100407America is not starting a hot war with Russia and that has ukies really mad
>>65100405I'd think the billions of Catholics world wide would care, as well as the different countries that have Catholic leaders and Heads of State? But then again, that idea requires you to have an understanding of the world outside your one stoplight town,
>>65100265Who are you even talking to, because it sure as ain't me. I am from Czech Republic and we have been ringing the bells for western states INCLUDING USA since 1989.
Lots of brics and euro cope itt topkek
>>65100423the US government is not reliant on the fucking Catholic church, delusional Yuroid. You should know this considering how neglected Christians are in Yurop and Britain (literally being replaced by Muslims)
>>65100421Again, there is no argument there. The argument I'm trying to make is that good science requires wasteful spending in order to figure out the ways things work, and don't work. Ozempic, for example, was based off a study of Gila Monster venom. >https://whyy.org/segments/ozempic-how-gila-monster-venom-led-to-weight-loss-drugs/>inb4 we move the goal posts again and say ozempic is le bad instead of acknowledging how this research could be labeled as "wasteful" but was able to make a groundbreaking medical advancement.
>>65100416Your analogy is wrong. It would be more like asking if the fire department doing its job after it spent $185 million to conduct a study with the assistance of local nonprofits and community outreach organizations (all of whom are chaired by relatives of the firefighters) to explain that the reason the city keeps burning down is due to systemic racism and unconscious bias.
>>65100440I didnt know Novo Nordisk was a government program
>>65100427Sorry. I should be saying Western Euros. It's all their ex prime ministers who went to work for Russian companies.
>>65100443Ahh, and there is the goalpost move we were looking for. And yes, Novo Nordisk uses government funds to sponsor research. Thank you for proving you retardation.
It is kind of crazy how much hate the US gets and how they are painted as in bed with Russia simply for no longer giving money to Ukraine. Alot of nations (not just Europe) have this weird thing where they feel entitled to the US helping them, but in the next moment lament that the US meddles in foreign affairs.
>>65100454...Because Novo Nordisk is a leading pharmaceutical research giant.
>>65100440kek that articles is working hard making it seem like Ozempic was made in the US
>>65100461According to the welfare queen brainlet who linked it only taxpayer funding matters.
>>65100457What are you talking about, it not at all only because the lack of support. Its also pushing russias points in so called peace talks, unsanctioning russian oil, antagonizing allies while kissing Putin's ass, Trump taking phone calls with Putin more often than he meets with JD, and so on.
>>65100466Yeah sure, but it wasn't your tax money paying.
>>65100457Euronationalism has grown as Europe itself loses all its political power to both the US and China. Expect a rise in "right wing" European parties who will just accelerate their own downfall trying to unrealistically restart Europe in a time frame lower than 50 years. The basic fact is that unlike Japan, Europe has been pissy that they needed outside help to rebuild after WW2, and their experiment in the EU failed because all the countries inside don't want a federation but an empire under their specific country.
>>65100467>B-BUT MUH TALKING POINTSthe US has physically seized Russian ships and provided intelligence!/equipment that has sunk most of the Russian navy. Europe can't even get firearms to Ukraine on time
>>65100470>EU failedyeah look at all those countries leaving and eurosceptic parties campaigning for it
>>65100473What you need to tell yourself to feel good
>>65100196Or kidnaps them. See Maduro
>>65100467And how does that weigh against, imposing the sanctions that were temporarily removed, schwacking Venezuela and Iran, blockading Cuba, seizing shadow tankers, and making nice inroads in the Caucuses and central asia?
>>65100460>>65100461>>65100466Again, the original argument was that government spending on research is by and large wasteful. Some people may consider researching venom from a lizard as wasteful, until said research is able to lead to a product like Ozempic. Again, you retards can avoid facing the facts that 'wasteful' spending is subjective until something comes from it, but facts don't care about your feelings. Again a mix of government and private grants ensure good research, and when you subtract the government research grants from the equation, you end up with a smaller pool of grants and cash for continued research, thus lowering the quality of research. Thank you from coming to my TED Talk, now please lay off the Ayn Rand retardation, and pick up a good book like Bullshit Jobs, or fucking The Wealth of Nations. But then again, most of you retards probably cannot read past a 6th grade level.
>>65099437Because despite Zion Don's theatrics as of late, a political representative, leader or parties interests are about the future of the nation, not their own egoOne day both of them will be long gone, but their actions at a state level can last for much longer than their stint in power
>>65100474Largest economies twenty years ago>European Union: $14.7 trillion>US: $14.4 trillion>China: $4.5 trillionLargest economies today>US: $32.8 trillion>China: $20.8 trillion>European Union: $19.5 trillionHonestly it will be fucking hilarious if in another decade or two the jeets or the Nigerians or some shit surpass the EUShut down more power plants lol
>>65100485Anyone who counterpoints a general trend with anecdotes is a moron.
>>65100474You mean the third largest country in the bloc?
>>65100474It's number 3 economy left it already and france/Germany are too busy feuding with each other to make any unified response that isn't immediately contradicted. The EU is an objective failure to make a federation to challenge the US or China, especially since both have been making colonies (Venezuela, Pakistan, etc. ) to control the east and west
>>65100467>Its also pushing russias points in so called peace talksI'm gonna be honest with you: I haven't looked into this really. Is this true? Can you point to something actually showing this? Because the little bit I gleaned from headlines and the like makes it seem like people are just claiming this and citing unnamed sources. Genuinely would like to know more about this.>>65100470>(not just Europe)
>>65100490yeah, brexit was so successful that it instantly killed all other projects to leave the EU
Welp. The shooting war just restarted. Oil prices spiking. Gasoline just soared to a new wartime high.
>>65100500That was covid
>>65100502Ok, but how many billion dollars are we going to send to Israel?
>>65100487India is already on its way to but it will probably just collapse once modi gets too old and the hondi jeet vs non-hindi jeet race war begins.
>>65100505why would covid affect other eurosceptic parties?
>>65100186No, we all hate you
>>65100510How old are you?
>>65100513>wePost Ukranian passport
>>65100507As many as Bibi wants.I still don't understand why Trump simps for that guy so fucking much. Whenever they have a press conference with the two of them, Trump just goes nuclear on sucking his cock and praising him as greatest leader ever to bless mankind with his existence.
>>65100485>Again, the original argument was that government spending on research is by and large wasteful. Some people may consider researching venom from a lizard as wasteful, until said research is able to lead to a product like Ozempic. Again, you retards can avoid facing the facts that 'wasteful' spending is subjective until something comes from itI haven't been arguing with you and frankly I can see the point you are trying to make and can acknowledge the value in it. But let me turn it around and ask you when is it too much? How do "we" decide where to allocate "our" resources? When does wasteful become too wasteful?
>>65100498Did you just memoryhole Trump's 28-point peace plan?
>>65100513Oh so you dont mind if we never help Ukraine again then right? Why would you want our money even in a few years?
>>65100229There was this thing called "The Civil Rights Act".....
>>65100520>I'm gonna be honest with you: I haven't looked into this really. >Genuinely would like to know more about this.I laid it out for you, man. I don't know what else you want from me. The fact that I can come out that openly with my deficiency and you can't give me anything is starting to make me doubt that there is anything to your arguments. Ball's in your court.
>euro-nationalist retard pretends to be Ukrainian>doesn't post Ukrainian passport or show any other form of proofWhy are Europeans the weakest race on the planet?
>>65100521The conversation isn't "well don't you want our money?", it's more that I think half your mutt population needs to executed alone with their dictator. You simply do not understand the conversations people throughout the world are having about you guys. Your allies are Israel and Russia. That's it.
>>65100507>>65100518here comes the cope. The change of topic when this thread was about Ukraine.
>>65100528>continues to try to ignoreWhy are Europeans the weakest race on the planet?
>>65100529Unhinged moron youre not even Ukrainian.
>>65100527Instead of wasting your time writing that bullshit, you could just have looked up what I mentioned.
>>65100533>continues to ignore and not show any proof of being Ukrainian Why are Europeans the weakest race on the planet
>>65100534My postman makes casual conversation about how mutts needs to be forcefully put in their place.Your inability to understand how or why people might fucking hate you is part of the problem.
>>65100543Still no passport
>>65100502Nevermind. Now saying it's an exercise. The markets definitely spiked tho'. Gas and oil coming off the high but still up.
>>65100537>I have nothingThanks anyways. Have a good day.
Damn, this dude sure is mad about Europeans. One might say he's obsessed.
>>65100547>dude
The falseflag dissension sowing is getting more and more obvious.
>>65100544>mutt makes demandsShocked
>>65100188And you're Ukrainian are you now?
>>65100529>execute half a country because I disagree with who they democratically electedHahaha holy shit dude, you're evil
>>65100555Still no passport
>>65099939You didn't vote for him to stop the war in Ukraine, stop US interventionism and to get commodity prices low then?
>>65100229
>>65100563I voted for him to kick the illegals out.
>>65099621To be fair, if the intention was ensuring Hungary didn't flip toward the Sinosphere Vance was great.
>>65100563I did, and he genuinely tried. Which makes him a Russian asset I guess. He did get commodity prices extremely low, which enabled him to take action against Iran and keep oil below $100 and natural gas is currently at multi-year lows despite hormuz.
>>65100576>natural gas is currently at multi-year lows despite hormuz.still higher then it was under Biden.
>>65100585No
>>65100560>democratically elect an imperialist fascist dictatorYep, they need to go
>>65100585That's an interesting take
>>65100555>daddy country makes demandsyes
>>65100592Hes not a fascist, he's a Jacksonian populist. Totally different political traditions.
>charts postedNew goalposts in 3...2...1...
>>65100592Kamala lost demotard
>>65100273Wonder what's gonna get blown up
>everything but proving he is an actual Ukrainian citizenYep this is a euro-nationalist shill. Ignore him as he is not human
>>65100563i voted really for the immigration issue and no dogshit gun laws (this is the weapons board)
>>65100607The American planes (again)
>>65100287Genuine question, why do you give a fuck about Ukraine in this at all?Where is your enmity for the people who fundamentally fucked our nation?
>>65100611but not the ones in the air funny enough
>>65100608I thought he was a Democrat shill at first, but he's being so obviously obnoxious I think it's probably just some basic-ass trolling we're all falling for.
>ITT:brown fantasies being ukrainian and seethes at americanskek
>>65100614Planes do tend to explode when they hit the ground, yes
>>65100223>>65100227>2025 projectedNevermind, you're just actually retarded.Since the graphs are too difficult to read for tards, here's a simplified version, you can check the source for the actual government numbers on the left, and even get the data to plot your own chart. Not that you'd know how to do that. Please note that 2026 only goes until March so you get a dip that isn't representative of the real trend.Now, who was president between when the homicide rates went up in 2019? And who was president when the trend was reversed between 2021 and 2023?
>>65100620and when they get hit in the air, dumbo
>>65100621>ignores 2016-2017>ignores 2020-2022So are you gonna show your Ukrainian passport?
>>65100621>retarded copingPost hand and passport
>>65100621i have no fuckin clue what youre trying to imply lmao
>>65100630>>65100644Why are you Discord trannies obsessed with passports? Are you trying to steal my details so you can move to a real country?
>>65100601Jackson caused a depression.
>>65100648>Brings up trannies out of nowhere
>>65100628That doesn't tend to happen, but keep it up champ
>>65100648>D-D-DISCORDthe only discord tranny is the Indian mod of /pol/, now show Ukranian passport
>>65100651Ok, Discord faggots then
>>65100662Always gay sex on your mind huh
>>65100662So you're gonna show that Ukrainian passport then right?
>Faggots and trannies on his mind Why is this "Ukrainian" acting... Russian?
>>65100648>a real countryhe admits he's American...
>>65100664With your mum
>>65100676Oh so you are the troon in your fantasies?
>>65100673>Russian anon thinking anyone wants to steal his info so they can move to russiaKek
>>65100243>I also think and underappreciated change was the Supreme Court started using the fourth amendment to curtail aggressive but effective police tactics.Nah, it's the opposite. What did happen though was police forces, particularly city police forces, became a lot less corrupt and a lot more efficient. It's counterintuitive, but the more effective your police force is, the more crime you often get, particularly low level crime.It works like this, if you have a corrupt police force then they are very likely to be putting their thumb on the scale for a particular organized crime group. That group is then pretty much unchallengeable. Since they're at the top, there's no major crime wars happening and this stability is going all the way down the system. Major street predators are also left at the low level and they too exert a stabilizing influence, people don't commit petty crimes on their patch.Once you stop popping those figures, you start creating vacuums that other criminals rush to fill, which fuels more violence and criminality. It's called Kingpin Theory and it's well studied phenomenon in criminology. I realize this is going to make people on here very mad, so I've included the studies so you can look at it for yourselves, which I encourage you to do.>Kingpin Approaches to Fighting Crime and Community Violence: Evidence from Mexico's Drug War>Disrupting Resilient Criminal Networks through Data Analysis: The case of Sicilian Mafia>"EBK" : Leveraging Crowd-Sourced Social Media Data to Quantify How Hyperlocal Gang Affiliations Shape Personal Networks and Violence in Chicago's Contemporary Southside
>>65100630>>65100644kek the bots are mad>>65100646Yeah because you're retarded. I'm not even implying it, I'm calling you retards out openly.
>>65100695I don't dispute that. It's no joke that informal means of maintaining social order have collapsed in urban America. Couple your description with the absolute collapse in marriage rates among the poor due to great society programs and no-fault divorce and you get absolute social decay.
>>65100701Brown skin detected
>>65100701>cant make a coherent pointYUROID
>>65100529Maduro status?Cardboard ayatollah status?
>>65100701>b-bots!Okay, so are you gonna show your Ukranian passport?
>>65100529Kek, you're welcome to try any time
>>65100591>>65100593Anons, you can't just own niggas like this
>>65100611And the thirdie cope begins
>>65100729>>65100591>>65100593So are you gonna post your Ukranian passport!?
>>65100229https://youtu.be/ej1xnAzR_nk?si=TyI78oKo9CYHHv6K
>>65100741So youre just parroting us now huh
>>65100741Oh the firehose tactic. Something big must have gotten hit over in Iran.
>>65100703Yes and no. Removing a woman and children from the orbit of an abusive father lowers the incidence of criminality, for obvious reasons. And the sooner you do it, the better the outcomes.The full graph shows we are back to 1950s levels of murder. It's hard to get conservatives to accept that police forces do not address the causes of crime and are not much of a deterrence.
>>65100821You know its heretical to just call earthly politicians you don't like to be the antichrist right? Trump isn't even doing mark of the beast shit.
You're laying it on too thick now.
>>65100800That's total nonsense, police being better at catching criminals has taken more violent offenders off the streets which has caused the murder rate to drop. Body cameras also have dispelled the notions of police brutality at least from racial angles. Removing lead from gasoline and mass adoption of security cameras has done a big number on getting rid of violent retards in polite society.
>>65100851Okay schizo being heretical doesn't make you the antichrist or you'd be the son of satan.
>>65100870Please I beg you ""Christian"", please read the Book of Revelations.
>>65100872You first, assuming you haven't burned them along with the rest of your books.
>>65100844>Removing lead from gasoline and mass adoption of security cameras has done a big number on getting rid of violent retards in polite society.So police are not actually good at preventing or deterring crime? That's literally what I said.
>>65100873Please just read the Book of Revelations you are making a fool of yourself. It even tells you not to do this.
guys, it's not an or but an and storybut better prevention and better policing play a roleno amount of policing is going to prevent a passion murder and no amount of reducing lead or domestic abuse if going to prevent tyrone from stabbing people
>>65100880Are you being dense on purpose? The police have more resources now that are making them more effective. I added in leaded gas as a bonus.
>>65100621Someone explain to me why this graph made so many people in here angry
>>65100898No one got angry at his chart, guy was just seething incomprehensibly.
>>65100904ah
>>65100621Huh, I wonder if there was some sort of widespread, even global event in 2020-22 that might have had significant effects on our social system.
>>65100923Its terrifying to think about this but people who were as young as 12 years old during the pandemic could be posting here legally.
>>65100518Maybe because he doesn't have TDS? Just a thought.
>>65100529>lets kill 150 million people because they hurt my feelings Pure TDS on display.>democratically elected = dictator Holy fuck you're absolutely insane.
>>65100923No, im pretty sure you can blame the sitting president for anything that happens, be it a global pandemic or the milk in your fridge expiring before its due.
>scroll through thread>arbitrary seetheI guess the oil refineries are still getting raped then.
>>65100893More effective at catching criminals, not preventing crime.
Now listen up gringos, be it burger or yuro variety I don't care you milkitos, I came here to see pics of you ensuring commienigger and that's what I am going to get, so shut the fuck up about your shitty politics, snacks or whatever and your compensation toy guns, I can beat any of you in armed couples with grandpa's old sable anyways.I demand you show me how your military industrial complex is helping with the massacre of all the vatnik commieniggers and his lackeys.T. Global southerner who lurks here to see commieniggers and their lackeys getting massacred
>>65100898not angry, genuinely confused as it's not showing anything of note
>>65099437Mouthing off a hostile regime doesn't win you any brownie points, you respect the office and not the FSB asset inside.Because even if handsome TVman wins his staff and the deep state will always remember that you've mouthed off against a sitting president because he's all in on the other side.I can see every Yuro head of state start shitting on said FSB asset once he's gone.
>>65100457USA signed a treaty with Ukraine and eventually backstabbed them of course that will piss off people.
>>65101453Even if what you said is true (its not), my comment said nothing about people being upset. It was about people having inappropriate entitlements while also criticizing behavior they advocate for. So, I have no idea what point you are trying to make by replying to me.
>>65099761They haven't for all of 2025 my g
>>65100948Oh, I see, so he'll give sloppy blowjobs to just about everyone who's nice to him, thanks for clarifying that up.
how did I miss this amazing cope and seethe thread. like how butt blasted is the third world, e.g. China and Russia, at Ukraine getting access to massive amounts of resources and new leverage because of US action. apparently this thread much.
