What plane is that? Looks like it's just a bigger recon drone.

>>65102081
An-28

>>65102096
Interesting, just post the link next time.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraines-soviet-era-shahed-hunter-plane-launches-interceptor-drones-2026-4

Died 1950, Born 2026, welcome back, parasite aircraft.

>>65102081
It's An-28 repurposed to be an arsenal bird.

Honesty kinda genius development. You can add signal boosters to the aircraft, increase interception range and accuracy, target identification etc.

>>65102077
>*angry MIC noises*

YOU HAVE NO CARDS

>>65102077
They need container launchers that can be integrated into standard fighter jets like F-16. There is enormous world market to defend against Shaheds thanks to Iran acts, amd there are thousands fighter jets operational.

>>65102143
It's better to integrate them to bigger aircraft though, more carrying capacity and the weapon systems controller can shoot down drones while the cockpit crew do cockpit crew things

>>65102077
>Arsenal Bird is real now.

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What's the visor/headset that the pilot is wearing?

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>>65102077
>First integration of interceptor drones on aircraft.
You could post some video, there's a load of it around.

>>65102143
>launching prop drones from a jetfighter
That's not ok.

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>>65102187

>>65102146
>It's better to integrate them to bigger aircraft though
This is just a cheap way to get them to altitude and speed to increase interception range.
Also helps with the radio horizon I imagine.

The interceptors have trouble climbing to 5km which is the range Shaheds use when they're trying to avoid interception. That or tree-top but low flying drones can be handled by existing methods.
This lets defenders intercept high flying drones at relatively little expense, just about any cheap two-person prop craft could serve in this role.

>>65102191
The real question is
>what's the fox code for this?
I think we need a new Fox Five code for WSOs to call out when launching teleguided munitions.

>>65102143
Why not use APKWS?

>>65102186
>the pilot
Drone or plane?

>>65102209
Plane pilot I mean.

>>65102202
30000 dollaritos vs 2500 dollaritos

>>65102222
Compared to $70,000 for a Shahed/Geran launch and many millions for whatever you're defending. I understand why Ukrainians would go out drone hunting with an An-28 with a rack of FPV interceptor drones. I don't get why anon would care about putting them on a jet to get there faster, without caring about the interceptors themselves being much faster (which would solve the issue of launching prop drones from a jet fighter, among other things) and being capable of simultaneous engagement of many targets with autonomous terminal guidance.

>>65102229
>>65102202
If it was that easy so many targets in Middle east wouldn't be hit by Iranian drones despite America sending APKWS equiped planes to protect them

>>65102229
>the issue of launching prop drones from a jet fighter
Those interceptors certainly weren't designed for supersonic speeds, high sub-sonics probably hasn't been tested and the deployment pylon isn't guaranteed to function at those speeds either.

I'm sure the engineering for the interceptor drones wasn't made with jet aircraft forces in mind.

>>65102222
>2500 dollaritos
I thought the interceptors were closer to $1k?

>>65102231
What's your point? A couple of An-28s with P1-Suns wouldn't magically fix the drone problem overnight, either. That still doesn't explain why anon would think that it's important to put interceptor drones on a faster plane but doesn't think it's important to add the ability to engage multiple targets at once.

>>65102077
If you can integrate interceptor drones to hit other drones on a plane, how long until you can make interceptor drones hit missiles heading to the plane itself and fucking with the A2A meta by making it so you need way more missiles to guarantee a kill?

What if you had a SEAD system that consists on shooting down all SAMs and just wasting their ammo with cheap shit interceptors?

>>65102231
Turns out American MIC-sponsored shit is still too expensive to make, better look for the people holding the cards, sorry I mean the actually cheap and working drone interceptors.

On a more serious note, APKWS is a great system to arm fighters with serious anto-drone capability, which allows you to cover a huge area against distributed attacks.
The cheap interceptor drones are more of a point defense solution, even if you launch them from small STOL planes like this.

It's just a slower, low tech and cheaper setup to have a Cessna with 8 P1s in a field than to have an F-15 with a bunch of APKWS pods on an air base.

>>65102239
>Those interceptors certainly weren't designed for supersonic speeds, high sub-sonics probably hasn't been tested and the deployment pylon isn't guaranteed to function at those speeds either.
Obviously container should be enclosed so drones aren't damaged when jet flies at high speed. As fro a time solution to overcome max launch speed is just to slow down. Fighter aircrafts are very good at accelerating/decelerating.

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>>65102244
This is where we're going, and it will require sensor fusion, drone wingmen, AI assisted munitions selection to fit the suitable type of interceptor to the threat that your distributed sensors detected.

It's both cool and scary.
And depressing for the flesh and blood pilots because they will be in the third line behind UAV sensors and munitions-slinging loyal wingmen, acting as C3I hubs in the air.
And teh drones and UAVs and loyal wqingmen wil end up playing Space invaders agaisnt enemy GBAD, plus the enemy airborne systems that do teh exact same thing you are doing.
Bonus points for all the fucking radars and ECM in the world also being at the party.
Some of these radars will be sat mounted large LEO constellations.

pic related

>>65102222
Also ziggers in the US admin don't sell APWKS to Europe or Ukraine anymore. Israel needs them or something.

>>65102251
One option couild be to eject them backwards from the container.
The US Navy ran a test where they dropped quadcopter swarms from F-18s, most of the drones survived the drop and formed into a self-organized sensor swarm.

>>65102199
Well ARM code is magnum, so how about Falcon for drones that hunt drones, because a falcon is a bird that hunts other birds by crashing into them at high speed

>>65102244
>how long until you can make interceptor drones hit missiles heading to the plane itself
If they carry decoy electronics then that's potentially viable, though the drones need to match or exceed the plane's speed or there's little point.
Otherwise, the missiles wouldn't target the drones and prop drones will never have the speed to intercept a missile on their own terms.

>>65102244
>What if you had a SEAD system that consists on shooting down all SAMs and just wasting their ammo with cheap shit interceptors?
If you make it a DEAD system instead, it could work.
linkrel: https://files.catbox.moe/u0940o.mp4
>>65099771

>>65102273
The code word selection for brevity is more about beign clearly distinguishable to most NATO pilots and talkers.

>>65102276
I know anon yet giving just a technically correct answer in this case is just boring, might as well propose something interesting.

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>>65102244
>What if you had a SEAD system that consists on shooting down all SAMs and just wasting their ammo with cheap shit interceptors?
Just blow them up with fibre drones.

This is hot off the telegram this morning.
>Ukrainian kamikaze drones attack Russian mobile air defense groups directly in the temporarily occupied Donetsk.
>Night work of pilots of the 1st Corps of the National Guard of Ukraine "Azov".
Ukronazis are bombing Donetsk children playing in the streets at night.

>>65102244
>interceptor drones hit missiles heading to the plane itself
I believe there is a program like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFLzO_5UFwE

>>65102305
BUM
TOUCHING
CRESTS

>>65102202
for that you have to be nose hot and fly low
the interceptors allow medium range engagements at cruise speed and cruise altitude

>>65102325
>for that you have to be nose hot and fly low
What does "nose hot" mean in this context?

>>65102324
Lights spear skywards in Donetsk
Air defenders bum is touched by the birds
The spring night cannot cover it

>>65102330
Nose Hot = radar is active
And if you radiate yourself, everybody and their dog will know you're there.

Whcih can be no big deal, or be a very serious threat to whoever is radiating, it all depends on the situation.

>>65102354
>Nose Hot = radar is active
ok, thanks.
APKWS is laser guided though, why do they need the radar active?
Wouldn't they just use FLIR to find the shaheds?

>>65102330
flying towards the enemy
it is a disadvantage because your movement is dictated by the enemy

>>65102136
Sir I have 3900 gulf war trading cards in pristine condition in binders

>>65102354
Drone hunting happens in friendly airspace though. I doubt an An-28 would be any better off if the enemy had active air defenses in the area.

>>65102407
Up to 14 degrees off axis and nearly 7 miles range, and fire and forget capability from APKWS2. You would only have to briefly turn towards your target from a moderate distance.

>>65102463
>Drone hunting happens in friendly airspace though. I doubt an An-28 would be any better off if the enemy had active air defenses in the area.
Well yes, but in another scenario you're over the Arabian Gulf looking for the shasneeds, go active and now you get to dodge some Chinese SAMs the Mullahs send your way.
They probably won't hit you, but they'll stop you from shooting down the drones for a hot minute.

Or you're somewhere over Syria/Iraq and can just go active, lase and shoot to your hearts' delight. . .until the local Shia militia shoots a MANPADS at you.

>>65102516
How is the plane in OP immune from any of this?

>>65102526
Because it is flying over central Ukraine, which is beyond the reach of any Russian aerial asset, and far beyond the reach of Russian SAMs

>>65102186
Cyberpunk 2026

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>An-28 is upgraded with optical station for visually searching for enemy targets.
Plane needs to be upgraded with Starlink so drone operator can chill in in Kyiv or Lviv, remote piloting of drones from such long distances have already been tested and works well.
Better pylons for drones and increase number of them(currently only carrying 6 drones) and it can singlehandedly cover some region of sneedheads

>>65102244
>nterceptor drones hit missiles
The problem here is that the cruise missile is flying at a minimum 600km/h, while these small drones can maybe make it to 300km/h

>>65102186
Looks like a cover of a cyberpunk novel

>>65102583
>Plane needs to be upgraded with Starlink so drone operator can chill in in Kyiv or Lviv
It probably has it, Ukie air defences are networked.

>>65102614
It's probably easier at the moment to have the drone operator on board, though.

>>65102617
>It's probably easier at the moment to have the drone operator on board, though.
For all sorts of reasons but yeah, the starlink will still be very useful for data.

>>65102199
Fox 4?

>>65102614
>>65102583
IIRC Musk limited speed of starlink in Ukraine to ~150km/h

>>65102660
>Fox 4?
That's actually the code for guns, it's just unused in favour of
>guns guns guns

>>65102660
Fox 10

Vipers in the pipe, five by five

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>>65102691
It was also used for unguided air to air rockets AFAIK.

Though I wonder what the call when firing a Genie was.

>>65102077
uhhhhh why not put rocket motors in them

>>65103136
Way cheaper as they are now. Plus these things are already fast as fuck. But if needed, I think Ukraine would eventually put rocket motors on these things

>>65102077
why wasn't this developed in WW2? they eventually developed wire-guided missiles but tv guided prop powered air to air suicide drones seem to be totally achievable with ww2 technology? likely would have been quite effective against bombers.

>>65102273
That's the reason the aim-4s were called falcons. But that brevity code is already taken, it designates allied planes from other countries in area.

>>65102701
They used fox 3 for the genie, they presumably already had that brevity code before phoenixes and amrams redifined it to mean active radar guided missiles.

>>65103540
The battery, computer and communication technology wasn't there, manually commanded missiles was the absolute peak of what was achievable. The real solution to the v1 problem at the time was radar guided anti aircraft guns firing shells with proximity fuses, and honestly that should be way more prevalent today.

>>65102583
>>65102663
Is Starlink even viable for FPV drones? wouldn't the lag be completely pig disgusting?

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>>65102196
Also if you don't know the Shaheds trajectory in advance the plane can close it and cover a much wider portion of the front.

>>65102251
Where are you going to put the drone operator? On the ground? Enjoy your latency.

>>65103540
ww2 was short bro, they didn't get to it as the job could be done with less

>>65103755
>Is Starlink even viable for FPV drones? wouldn't the lag be completely pig disgusting?
>>65103769
>Where are you going to put the drone operator? On the ground? Enjoy your latency.
You're not wrong but OTOH you can't refuse to accept the situation, the latency is what is is, make it work

>>65103756
>Also if you don't know the Shaheds trajectory in advance the plane can close it and cover a much wider portion of the front.
That too, it extends the interception range by letting you vector towards the interceptors and release earlier than otherwise. And if you miss, you maybe have a second chance with a closer-to-home interceptor.

>>65103780
Latency is fine for long range strikes, like they do with fp2 drones. Its sub-optimal for interdicting sjaheets.

>>65103789
>Its sub-optimal for interdicting sjaheets
I think some of the interceptors have a level of terminal autonomous guidance.
That's fine at 5km altitude with nothing else in the sky, it's a much easier environment to do that shit in that ground level targeting of mobiks.

>>65102186
>flying drone while on a plane
Sounds nauseating

>>65103835
Nope the P1-SUN does not have terminal guidance.

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>>65103850
>Sounds nauseating

>>65103857
>the P1-SUN does not have terminal guidance
I said some.

>>65103755
Finally, playing CS 1.6 at 200-400 ping payed off. Zoomers would never

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>>65102077
Every day technology comes closer to justifying the production of the Po-2M

>>65103780
>You're not wrong but OTOH you can't refuse to accept the situation, the latency is what is is, make it work
I'm only one of those two anons, but what I'm questioning is whether it actually can work with Starlink and anything significantly over the horizon at all, like whether the concept of seriously over the horizon holds up for FPV drones at all. I don't think it does. To a great extent, FPV drones only work at all for any dynamic targets because you get to use a human as the guidance system with near-zero latency, so we would expect the performance of FPV drones to start to tank pretty quickly once you push the operators out of theatre. IRL latency is way worse than video game latency, because you don't get any client-fakey tricks to make control inputs bearable and make hit auth palateable, I don't think people realise just how much video games locally fake to make networked play seem more responsive.

>>65104632
>I'm questioning is whether it actually can work with Starlink and anything significantly over the horizon at all, like whether the concept of seriously over the horizon holds up for FPV drones at all.
They already do that. Interceptors are now sometimes controlled over the net.
Launch the interceptor at the front line, it gets controlled by someone in Kyiv. This has been happening for about three weeks.

>I don't think it does.
You think wrong.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't have much expertise and presumably did your own research.