Was picrel really such a bad idea? Are you telling me that what basically amounts to a small mobile pillbox for beachhead defence has no merit at all? Can one of you retards explain why it wouldn’t actually be useful if, say, the Germans had several of them, fitted them out with MG42s and utilized them to drive back and forth between whatever strong points/resistance nests needed support on Omaha?
>>65106316Do you think corrugated iron stops bullets
Yeah I can. The motor cooks the gunner. The gunner is on the engine. With no cooling.
I would go so far as to say that millions of Bob Semple tanks would be insufficient to resist the D-day landings because the tank is fundamentally unsound. It is less than the sum of its parts.
>>65106318from the better pictures ive seen of them it's actually 1/2" thick angle iron in a sortof curtain shape.this would without a doubt stop bullets, I think that's also just tacked over the actual hull which I don't know the thickness of.
>>65106316I suspect none lost to enemy fire puts it ahead of F15 now.
>>65106398>this would without a doubt stop bullets, I think that's also just tacked over the actual hull which I don't know the thickness of.This would without a doubt not stop bullets, 7.62 will deform and punch through corrugated iron. It is a fundamentally wrong material. The hull? Here's your hull
>>65106316>what if infantry tank but worse in every way
>>65106316The bob semple tanks were bad and not fit for purpose, but people wilfully ignore that there was literally nothing else in the face of perceived Japanese land invasion. New Zealand had no heavy industry, they didnt make anything bigger than kitchen appliances, they didn't even make small arms (hence the Charlton conversion rather than building more Bren guns), so bolting iron onto farm equipment was their only option. They were also all hand fitted prototypes, more proofs of concept than final designs, so if they had gone into formal production they would likely have been built up with more layers and sandbags. But nonetheless, with full knowledge that all fighting age men were away in Africa and having the same expectation as every other pacific country that the yellow peril who had just raped their way across Manchuria and taken over the Philippines could appear on the horizon at any moment, he tried and I think that's to be commended. Like the whole discussion gets poisoned by retards who think he had the alternative option of pulling a Valentine or Matilda out of his ass, and his tank was just him choosing to be different, which is obviously some moron shit.
>>65106398"The armored structure of this tank consisted of 8mm thick (0.31 inch) armor plate, fully welded, on top of which was an addition of 12.7mm thick (0.5”) manganese rich corrugated steel plate. Popular myth has it that it used corrugated roofing metal and this is probably the origin of the myth that the vehicle was badly armored. This layering system was devised by Mr. Beck and was “severely tested”. The result was that this arrangement was felt to be sufficient to stop enemy anti-tank rifle bullets up to 20 mm (0.79 in) caliber as well as being easy to fabricate." (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/NewZealand/Bob_Semple_Tank.php)Also, there's no such thing as triangular corrugated iron because it would be cunt to put the screws through the crests and valleys; it's always sinusoidal, trapezoidal etc. so there's a little flat.
>>65106316>The tanks were constructed without the use of any formal plans or blueprints. Working from an American postcard depicting the conversion of a tractor to a 'tractor-tank', Bob Semple and TG Beck (Christchurch District Works Engineer), improvised the design of the tanks.I don't think it's possible to enunciate the level of disdain I have developed for everything related to NZ defence policy. The more I learn, the further down I have to revise my estimate. The worst thing of all is that it's never not been a complete joke. It's just the ultimate long form IRL shitpost, right?
It was an exercise in disparity, using what you have to great measure. No more no less.
>>65106316The Semple is overhated considering it was going up against tanks that were the size of a Volkswagen beetle.
LEAVE.BOB.ALONE.
>>65106316You only build and use something like this if you were truly desperate. You'd been better off using something like the CV33 and using it in ambush cause anything like the Bob moving around on D-Day is just going to be picked apart by aircraft cannon fire and become a mobile coffin.
>>65106316It would have been a laughably bad design in 1914.
The Bob Semple would've been outclassed for ww1 nevermind ww2
>>65106398>>65106968>>65107291Assuming it was actually bulletproof, would these have been a better use of resources than using the tractors to build earthworks?
>>65108896The funny thing is it really wouldn't. With proper steel it would have been a serviceable design.
