>be glock>your original founder (who refused to compromise on polymer+steel mags) kicks the bucket>your first move, while his corpse is still warm, is to shit on his vision and release the steel 1.5-stack magazine your competitors released years ago, the one you originally designed the gun to pair with (but would never tell ol' Gaston that)>your fans eat it up, even though you just sold them essentially the exact same gun with the exact same magazine capacity that you sold them decades ago>this is what we get instead of something actually cool, like a handgun in .32ACP double stack and recoil-operated (to differentiate it from the blowback single stacks like the Walther or Tomcat, or the recoil operated P32), or a roller-delayed sub gunWhat's their end goal here? Does anyone even care about le plastic gun company any longer?
>>65106424>1.5 stack instead of a GIRTHMAXXD double stackA common mistake for beginners
>>65106424>no .30 pooper carry glonk>no .32 acp glonk or conversion kit>no .30 luger glonk>no 7.62 tokarev glonkWho cares? They got rid of everything other than 9mmslop so no reason for me to buy one ever
>>65106424>like a handgun in .32ACPThe majority of the US market does not care about .32 ACP, the demand is so low that .32 ACP ends up more expensive than .380 ACP despite taking less material to make.>roller-delayed sub gunGlock likes to make guns at a low cost, they wouldn't touch any of the delayed blowback mechanisms with a ten-foot pole.>What's their end goal here?The same as it's always been, to make mid-tier guns for a really low cost and let the fanboys eat it up.>>65106479True, they decided to reduce the number of cartridges they offer their products in, so it's silly to expect them to cater to cartridges less popular than the ones they decided to stop making guns for.
>>65106479I'm so fucking tired of 9mm, bros. 9mmtards are worse than the .45 fudds ever were.
>>65106424If Glock wants to survive they have to copy the companies that have been copying them. Simple as. Steel mags are a must, the polymer wrap wastes too much space and thus capacity. Steel and aluminum frames are desired by many, safeties are desired by many, ambi mag releases are nice, better slide releases are nice. Mainly they need to copy S&W, FN, and Sig (minus the horrible quality issues).They tried doing something big with the gen 6 but this is a major flop. Very few asked for race guns, and a plastic cheapo gun is not the best race gun. The market wants practical guns from Glock and they've been extremely behind on providing that. Plus they have worse reliability issues than any company but Sig, that definitely needs to be addressed. The damn things are jamming in well over half of police shooting videos. I'm not buying a gun that demonstratably doesn't work in fast moving gunfights 60% of the time. For people with a brain, don't hold onto this shitty xoomer brand. Just get an M&P, they've already exceeded previous standards. Glock is still at a very old standard, and realistically they've probably jammed in actual gunfights the whole time we just didn't know it until bodycams came about.
>>65106498No we care. We just gave up on companies listening to consumers for .32 acp. It's basically dominated by p32.
>>65106525At least fuddy five boomers were just fags who said theres was better than yours and will shoot you deader than dead. 9mmlets have to loudly convince themselves that everything else is obsolete and not worth it. They cant be an arrogant cunt, they have to be a feminine redditor pushing up their glasses to tell you how even though it performs worse on paper its still better cuz uh it is
>>65106424It's not 1.5 stack. 1.5 stack is 2004 shit, nothing introduced since 2010 uses a 1.5 stack magazine. Everything you are referring to as 1.5 stack is a normal double stack, occasionally with an overlong taper at the top. These magazines don't even have that, they are just simply normal double stack geometry.Glock didn't design these magazines. Glock had nothing to do with these magazines. You can clearly see they are made by Mec-gar, who got the idea from Shield, who got the idea from Sig, who got the idea from Keltec.tl;dr OP as usual is a faggot.
>>65106424Glocks are obsolete
>>65106529>No we careBullshit. The numbers don't lie, there isn't enough sales of the ammunition to justify more designs. The .32 ACP is, unfortunately, slowly heading the way of .25 ACP. A working double stack or 1.5 stack .32 ACP would be great. Now that FRTs are a thing, PCCs in every cartridge with less recoil than 9mm would be cool. The market simply does not support it. You act like the P32 is the only good design, and it wasn't; there just weren't enough sales for other companies to compete.>>65106535>Glock didn't design these magazines. Glock had nothing to do with these magazines. You can clearly see they are made by Mec-gar, who got the idea from Shield, who got the idea from Sig, who got the idea from Keltec.SIG got the idea from HK, HK was making the USP compact in .45 ACP with a 1.5 stack since before KelTec started making their 1.5 stack.
>>65106424G43 is pointless when the g26 and g19 exist and have decades of hard use documented
>>65106582The thinner G43 is a massive upgrade to the G26 though. People like you kill innovation, "Why should we improve when what we have is okay?" The world would be stuck in the 1700s (or earlier) if everyone was like you.
>>65106532They can't even keep their stories straight! Caliber doesn't matter in pistols because they're all equally weak, but .380 Auto is entirely inadequate compared to 9mm.Just... what?
>>65106600They say it doesnt both penetrate and expand despite there being newer bullets that both penetrate and expand to fbi standards out of a pocket pistol barrel below 3 inches, sig v crown and federal hst being 2 examples
>>65106535>but ACKSHUALLYyou know what I meant, I know you know what I meant, and you still failed to address the greater criticism here.
>>65106600.380 was invented before any company cared about making good hollow points so it often hard to make a good .380 cartridge. Some offer good penetration but not enough expansion, some offer good expansion but not enough penetration, and a few get both right but only out of a barrel that's 3" or longer. The two brands that >65106626 mentions are some of the best brands out there if you want to rely on a .380. I also like Hornady Critical Defense 90 Grain. Just find which one works best for your pistol.
>>65106696And this would be fine if I didn't have to hear 9mmfags going "BUT MODERN TECH MAKES 9mm JUSTASGOOD" while denying that it's done the same for other cartridges, all while espousing dodgy physics and fucking up the firearm market.
>>65106702.30 stupid carry took every 9mmlet talking point and flipped it on its head. All they can do is get a layer of film over their eyes and repeat in unison "answer to question no one asked..." while staring blankly ahead
>>65106424Yea but can you use 17 mags in a 43X? checkmate.
>>65106600Any round is fine if it can penetrate 12" in standard gel. .380 and .32 can do so but not with hollowpoints, so you lose a good amount of wound diameter. Both are considerably less adequate than 9mm.
I appreciate a couple of niggas trotting out their obsolete talking points to seethe unprompted at 9mmGODS
>>65106424There are other, more superior, alternatives>but muh aftermarketGlocks is for noshoots who like to play dress up with their guns
>>65106424Fuck yamudda
i have a gen 2 g17am i missing out on anything?
>>65107057bejitabro btw
>>65106424>>something actually cool, like a handgun in .32ACP double stack and recoil-operatedYou’re not going to get this because only you and five other dweebs on the planet would buy it.
>>65106529>>No we careNo, “we” don’t.
>>65107028>.380 and .32 can do so but not with hollowpointsFalse
>>65107145Show me .380 and .32 HP rounds that can penetrate 12-18" then.
>>65107158see>>65106626
just use fmjs
>>65107183>noooooo you might hit your neighbors dog or your ex wife behind the guy youre shooting!!!Fmjs dont sound so bad after all
>>65106424>like a handgun in .32ACPdead caliber, irrelevant for self defense when you can get much better performance from 380 ACP for just a little more recoil
>>65107158>>65107145>>65107028I did not purchase my self defense handgun for use against gelatin. "Ballistic gelatin" is a hoax and does not represent real world performance whatsoever.
>>65107223You're stupid.
>>65107223>"Ballistic gelatin" is a hoax and does not represent real world performance whatsoever.It was never supposed to. It's just supposed to be a consistent test medium.People think it's meant to represent real world performance, because people are stupid.
>>65106528>The market wants practical guns from Glock and they've been extremely behind on providing thatBehold the ignorant gunsoomer who gets all his info from guntube. Glock is by far the most practical and highest value for dollar striker. People like you don't understand that because you don't actually shoot your guns. Any appeals to the market will fail you because to this day Glock has by far the most agency and military contracts worldwide.>Plus they have worse reliability issues than any company but Siglol no. Real world experience proves this false. Someone in /hg/ just had their fn509 break it's firing pin from dry firing and that's a high dollar striker.>The damn things are jamming in well over half of police shooting videosAlso false and 90% of agencies use Glocks. >that demonstratably doesn't work in fast moving gunfights 60% of the timeLMAO bro you've exposed yourself as someone who never shoots and mindlessly repeats paid shills. I suggest you buy a glock, do some pratical shooting and discover for yourself the reality. There's a clear reason why the best and most prolific shooters in the world choose Glocks or Walthers.>Steel mags are a must, the polymer wrap wastes too much space and thus capacity. Steel and aluminum frames are desired by many, safeties are desired by many, ambi mag releases are nice, better slide releases are nice.None of these things actually matter.
>>65106528>They tried doing something big with the gen 6 but this is a major flop. Very few asked for race gunLmao there is nothing racy about Gen 6 wtf are you on?
>>65107283un removable fuck huge beaver tale on the gen 6 g19.NOBODY asked for this
>>65107296>un removableCut it off. Very easy. I don't like it either desu but also a beavertail is not "racy" by any reasonable definition
>>65106592It’s not a massive upgrade though. It’s marginally thinner, doesn’t accept the litany of mags a g26 can, and is not using the tried and true design geometry of the g26/g19/g17. It’s basically its own thing. I can carry a g26 and slap in a 30 round mag when I get to MLK boulevard. The design compromises of the g43 don’t make any sense to me
>>65107083Post your cz and/or beretta
I like my Glock 19s :)
>>65106592>The thinner G43 is a massive upgrade to the G26 thoughG26's fat grip makes it much more shootable, while still being concealable. Additionally, unlike almost all other striker designs there is no concern about overinsertion so you can use any regular mag you want. Some guy made GM in carry optics with a G26, couldn't do that with a G43. This is a pretty good example of failing to understand that on paper stats are not reality.
>>65107296>https://youtube.com/shorts/2dVq3Ah0bL4?si=NCPo8EObfQ7yaLtb"unremovable"
>>65107271>>The damn things are jamming in well over half of police shooting videos>Also false and 90% of agencies use Glocks.The anon is exaggerating, but the failure rate of glocks in police shootings is incredibly high.
>>651066969mm is older than .380
>>65107223Then you'd better start carrying .357 Magnum or 10mm
>>65107331>the failure rate of glocks in police shootings is incredibly highSource? Since 90% of the american police use these guns you'd think someone might have studied this "patently obvious" phenomenon
>>65107223>"Ballistic gelatin" is a hoax and does not represent real world performanceIt measures penetration and expansion in a consistent medium which is it's intended purpose.
>>65106576>referencing a deranged, insane, baseless twitter shitpost from a narcissistic kochsucker employee who doesn't even known his own brand historyThey absolutely did not. HK has never used a 1.5 stack in anything, ever. You don't seem to know what a 1.5 stack magazine is. Go look at a S&W Shield 7 round magazine. That is a 1.5 stack. HK only ever made single stack and double stack magazines. Do not reply to me again, you don't know what you're talking about and you don't even own a gun from this company whose cock you are infatuated with.>>65106630I know what you meant in the same way that I know what a braindead skidmark means when he says "clip" or what a TDS libtard means when they say "assault rifle." Just because a LOT of people are as uneducated, willfully ignorant and pitiably impressionable as you does not make them or you correct technically, subjectively, colloquially or otherwise.Accept the L and move on. Learn from this day, focus on your vocabulary and sharpen your self confidence so you don't repeat the same mistake the next time some unfathomably stupid fuck tells you something unfathomably stupid.
VP9 btfos anything itt
How it feels knowing that everyone ITT who thinks 9mm isn't enough can't hit vitalsIf you can pierce through to the heart or the brain you've already wonIncreasing recoil and reducing capacity because you don't believe this is retardation and a personal failing
>>65107342Why would anyone official do something that would ruin that many contracts?
>>65107359Which is why I use 5.7x28, the caliber that is TRULY superior to 9mm in every single way.
>>65107271NTA but I'm a cop and they're not liked among cops. Every 5th person will get one that has issues and has to buy their own gun and hope its one that actually works. I've had over 600 hours of handgun training on a Glock at this point and I don't like them. I bought my own M&P and it's night and day how much better it is. Glocks have a ton of issues any anyone who's gone through trainings with 50+ people standing on the line, you'll see like 5-10 get a failure. I've shot Sigs that have failed more than my POS Glock so those are worse. I wouldn't buy FN, had an FNS and ran into a warranty issue with them and they dropped the ball entirely. Those are toys, I'd put them on par with Ruger. Glock has always been a pile of shit, not a good gun, just "good enough for government work" as the saying goes. I know you all hate cops and are gonna call me dumb and underperforming, that's what Glock is the equivalent of. It's a shitty government services gun just like government services are shitty.
Glunk had a real melty when people started jamming PSA magazines in their bottoms
>>65107325Huh. That's actually not bad at all for a quick-n-dirty modification.
>>65107430>doesn't like glock>doesn't like sigwhy are you fat and gay? explain.
>>65107342>Source?Me.I've watched literally every video on Police Activity's channel. About 2,600 videos.
>>65107430>I know you all hate cops and are gonna call me dumb and underperformingNTA. I am just going to call you full of shit and likely a liar.
>>65107430Well, M&P is better than Glock, so I'm going to choose to believe everything else you said too.
>>65107430>Every 5th person will get one that has issues and has to buy their own gun and hope its one that actually works>Glocks have a ton of issues any anyone who's gone through trainings with 50+ people standing on the line, you'll see like 5-10 get a failureMy own experience is the exact opposite>>65107512I would suggest you get a life homie
>>65107530>I would suggest you get a life homieSaid while posting on /k/ at midnight on a saturdaylol
>>65107430I still think contemporary cops are evil-adjacent, but I believe what you're saying.
police agencies literally select for low IQ, and so the opinions of a cop are worthlessthis extends far beyond taste in guns btw
>>65107530>My own experience is the exact oppositeLet me guess.Every time a glock jams, it's "user error".
Why don't they just make steel mags for the g19? By if following same metrics as the g43x, this would give it 20 rounds.
>>65107552I know guys who have been fired for being too stupid. There's a lot of shit you have to know. Sorry you didn't make the cut bud.
>>65106424>G19 is now obsoleteI thought this initially so I got a G48 and got some shield arms mags for it. While it's great for carry, the problem is that the thinner gun leaves you less space for your support hand to make contact with the gun and thus makes it substantially harder to shoot as reliably as a G19, so this isn't true that the G19 is obsolete now
>>65107430Question: are most of the failures on the 50+ person line from women? One time I brought this girl shooting and she managed to get my geissele trigger to fail to reset. To this day I have never been able to replicate or figure out how this happened. Women are just terminally unlucky with guns, like how old sailors used to say it was bad luck to have a woman onboard a ship. Same thing applies with women, however their wrist muscles are setup just generates a ton more failures in guns that are super hard to replicate as a man
>>65107951>g48 substantially harder to shoot as reliably as a G19Oh please. No it isn't. The measurable difference is marginal.
>>65107806>im slightly tired of people doing this so i will crash out anonymously
>>65106424>>65106479>30 supermeme>32 tinymeme>30 oldmeme>akmemelmao no point to any of these when we've got 9mm which is already the perfect handgun round. everything else is an expensive ripoff
>>65106424Is that James reeves?! Holy shit he did not age well yeah? He looks like the scientist from back to the futureHanging out with Nick rekeita at all james?
>>65107763Nah nobody gets fired for being too stupid at any job They just get to skate by with doing less work Lower expectations less priorities same pay but will never get promoted But also if you’re too smart and good at youre job you’ll never get promoted anyway And best way to get promoted is to jut get a new job So these days retardmaxxing is probably ideal
>>65107313Glock and social media does this thing where every 6 months whatever glock you have sucks and the new one that just came out with a small change is the new best one Finger grooves are the new hotness !!! Ditch your gen 3 oh wait they got rid of the finger grooves get rid of the other etc They have olive drab now!!!!!!!! Omg limited edition !!!!
>>65106834.30 SC fails to perform to the same level as an equivalent 9mm loading post-barrier penetration. >>65106600Yeah, because .380 sucks. Even the specific loadings >>65106626 mentioned are utter garbage compared to their 9mm equivalents.
>>65106600Anon, .380 HP performs like dogshit compared to 9mm HP. That's not up for debate. If you're going to be hyperbolic then start carrying .22lr.
>>65106424No one cares about .32, get a life loser
>>65108122>finger grooves are the new hotnessFirst of all, no one likes you fatass. Second, gen 3 offered an accessory rail, which was a bigger update from gen 2 than the finger grooves. Glock then realized finger grooves weren't necessary once they figured out how to make a decent grip texture. Also acting like the finger grooves on gen 3 was "the new hotness" is peak retard, considering the gen 3 came out in 1998 you FAT FAGGOT.
>>65108129>>65108132Retard. 9mm is an awesome caliber and what I carry, but>If you're going to be hyperbolic then start carrying .22lrIn terms of simple power yeah 22lr-rifle level energy would be fine for close range civilian defense use. The problems are that 22lr doesn't do well out of a pistol length barrels and rimfire is just inherently harder to make as reliable as centerfire.But 380 is completely fine.>380 HP performs like dogshit compared to 9mm HPAnd 9mm HP "performs like dogshit" compared to 10mm HP in terms of spreadsheet bullshit. But in terms of deterring attackers, be it unarmored humans or bears for that matter, all guns perform well assuming you actually hit the target.If you want to HUNT with handguns, which is niche but cool, then yeah you need more. If you're some sort of special security force and simultaneously are worried about armored attackers AND somehow cannot carry compact rifles or something better, then yeah you need more. If you enjoy competition shooting then some stuff might better fit certain comp vs others.But for defense the gun and man are what matters most, with load a distant 3rd, not the cartridge.
>>65108250>380 is completely fineExcept it barely meets post-barrier penetration standards. >9mm HP "performs like dogshit" compared to 10mm HPNo it doesn't lmao. 10mm either underpenetrates due to expanding too fast, is downloaded to .40 specs, in which case it penetrates to the required depth range more reliably but is still performing like 9mm with more recoil, or over penetrates dramatically which is good for a bear, but not a person.>muh spreadsheetsOh no, we're able to use data from decades of research and testing to realize 9mm is practically the best current caliber for handguns. >But in terms of deterring attackers, be it unarmored humans or bears for that matter, all guns perform well assuming you actually hit the target.Relying on a psychological stop is peak mongoloid, especially against a human attacker.
>>65106525This pendulum will just swing to the next cartridge in 25yrs.
>>65108147Gen 3 doesn’t have finger grooves there bud
>>65106498>Glock likes to make guns at a low cost,Fucking what? The RXM and Dagger are literally G19 Gen 3 clones (with some improvements) and those sell for $300 today. Gen 3 G19s from Glock were $500 a decade or more ago.
>>65106424GLOCK PLEASE, 10 ROUNDERS 43 MAGS. I'LL GIVE YOU MY MONEY ! WE ALL WILL ! BY THE MILLIONS !
>>65108335Is he meaning Glocks have great margins? A Glock costs about 75-100 dollars to manufacture
>>65108286>Except it barely meets post-barrier penetration standards.Who fucking cares? Where did these "standards" come from, and what was their basis? What is the percentage of civilian self-defense encounters in the last fucking century where this mattered? I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't need to care, but I'm not a LEO.>Relying on a psychological stop is peak mongoloid, especially against a human attacker.Funny how you go on about muh data but the one form of data you hate most is actual IRL results.I'm going to go further actually: the ONLY things that matter with any vaguely modern center fire handgun for self-defense are:1. That you have the gun on you when you need it, 100% of the time.2. That you can recognize the danger and rapidly draw it for use.3. That you can, under realistic fight/fright adrenaline surge and imperfect conditions (including point and shoot), actually shoot with it and land a reasonable number of shots within a 8-12" circle at 7yd or less.4. The gun doesn't fuck any of this up for you.Nothing is perfectly certain in life but if you can get a half dozen shots in a threat with whatever before they can you will probably emerge the victor. Anything that helps you do this is good.
>>65108321You insipid FAT fuck, yes it does. >In 1998, the frame was further modified with an accessory rail (called the "Universal Glock rail") similar to a Picatinny rail to allow the mounting of laser sights, tactical lights, and other accessories. Thumb rests on both sides of the frame, and finger grooves were added to the front strap.
>>65108362The standards come from the FBI BRF researching reliable indicators of lethality in handgun calibers, based heavily on Dr. Martin Fackler's work in researching terminal ballistics. Those standards matter because "barriers" include clothing, thin metal, glass, and common building materials. In an actual shooting, people are moving, your adrenaline is through the roof, and you are not guaranteed a clean hit. If a round that could have ended the fight fails to penetrate deep enough because it hit a phone the size of a fucking tablet that half the population seems to have these days, that's a potential bad outcome. Same if it hits an arm bone and then doesn't reach vitals properly, or if they duck behind something. You're carrying "just in case", so why wouldn't you pick a caliber that can reliably perform in a wider variety of scenarios? >IRL resultsRight. Disregard the large number of well documented instances where psychological stops were a complete and utter failure, and the threat kept going until they were physically disabled. Go ahead and keep coping though. 9mm supremacy won't end anytime soon.
>>65108392>The standards come from the FBI BRF researching reliable indicators of lethality in handgun calibers, based heavily on Dr. Martin Fackler's work in researching terminal ballistics.OK so LEO stuff, for the FBI and police. Big fat whatever.>standards matter because "barriers" include clothing, thin metal, glass, and common building materials.If something was fucked up by a t-shirt fine, but everything seems to do ok with normal clothing. The rest is irrelevant.>In an actual shooting, people are moving, your adrenaline is through the roof, and you are not guaranteed a clean hit.Yeah no shit. Though the moving primarily should be "getting the fuck away". If my attack somehow ducks behind cover awesome great chance to create distance and then run for it. You know what makes it easier to shoot in less than ideal conditions? Less recoil.>or if they duck behind somethingSee above. I'm not a fucking cop. If they duck behind something great, I'll be able to put yards between me and them in literally seconds and I doubt they're any more capable of hitting me while I'm moving at an angle with their rando handgun at 25-100yd+ then I am them.>the large number of well documented instances where psychological stopsYou have a list to share? A list that is civilian mind you, not police. Because while the victory condition for police may be to stop a threat, for me the victory condition is that I'm alive and can recover the next day regardless of the state of my attacker. And I have to care about what not just what I can carry as a reasonably in-shape 40-something but my much weaker SO, my elderly parents, etc.>9mmAs I said anon, that's what I use. But 380 (or 38 special in some cases, or 32acp for that matter) are a better fit for some people I care about and I don't lose sleep over that or tell them they are "coping" or whatever online faggot shit you spout at your friends/family.
>>65107957Lmfao yes women and fag-adjacent men always manage to jam guns in ways you almost never see otherwise
>>65107271>1776964735416239.jpgMOST punchable face on the guntubes
>>65106479>why aren't they making guns for my meme caliber that about 50 people nationwide will buyWhy indeed.
>>65108465>have a gun that sucks>UH ACTUALLY YOU ARE JUST A FEMININE HOMOSEXUAL NOT MANLY ENOUGH FOR THE GUN TO WORK RIGHTsig should have run with this instead of their insane wall of cope text on the p320
Why does /k/ always fall into brand loyalty wars and pretend you can't own multiple guns and shoot multiple calibers? Are you poor?
>>651073349mm was designed with velocity in mind, while the .380 was designed in with compactness in mind. all Browning cared about was that it'd be weak enough to not blow up the pocket pistols he wanted to chamber the round in.
>>65107430>50+That ISR tells me everything I need to know
>>65107158NTA but .380https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDodNlmfTE
>>65107957>like how old sailors used to say it was bad luck to have a woman onboard a ship.Women were considered bad luck on ships for the same reason they are bad luck in the workplace and have caused every single company in every first world country to have an HR department. They cause drama and conflict.
>>65108560A couple thousand people more like, and with online markets now being part of the scene, boomers like you need to stop pretending anything other than solely the most popular item needs to be shut down or else everyone WILL lose their pensions and 401k's
>>65108335Anon, just because they overcharge the customer doesn't mean that the gun isn't really cheap to produce for them. Cost =/= price. When Gaston first made the design, he wanted to sell them for $80 a pop, and his business partners convinced him to charge more because they told him that if it's a low price, then people would assume it's low quality. When the guns are bought in bulk for militaries and law enforcement agencies, the guns are always sold for less than $200 each.
>>65107512Do you know what sample sizes are? You're going to see more Glocks jamming in cop videos compared to stuff like HK or Walther because everyone buys Glocks
>>65108692>abundance of glawk jams for decades>no videos of m&p, hk or walther jams despite decades of department adoptions with equally retarded and untrained officersSmaller sample size but decades of shootings still. I hate sig but you dont see sig jam videos either despite being as common as glocks for the last while until recent controversy. Weve seen far more sig leg videos than sig jams
>>65108674No dude, you see women deserve equal opportunities. Historically women have been cut out of such jobs like mining coal, fighting wars, or wrestling livestock. This is why they deserve a larger share of bullshit office jobs that have existed for less than a century and are quickly being phased out by AI. It’s important these women feel EMPOWERED by filing TPS reports for a corporation for 50 years before being given a cheap wristwatch (if they’re lucky) and some supermarket cake before being allowed to shuffle off and die. This is way more important than raising children who will love and cherish them in proportion to how they are in turn loved and cherished.
>>65108730rabbi pls
I have an HK and I don't have to participate in penile brand fellating because HK aura just mogs anything out there.
>>65109106the glock problem was solved permanently with introduction of picrel in 2014
>>65109106HK hasnt been relevant since the 90s
>>65109106I don't get any particular aura off anything HK that was invented in my lifetimethe only HK pistol that's particularly cool is the USP and the USP XXL (Mk23)
>>65108618The originators of incel culture and the male loneliness epidemic.
why even bother with the 43x when u can just get a 48 its better in every way
>>65106525>t contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian
>>65107233Not an argument.>>65107235>a consistent test mediumTesting what, effectiveness of a cartridge on ballistic gelation? That's not relevant to my interests.>>65107348Wow, so it has nothing to do with real world effects on living beings. What a great test.
>>65107359>can't hit vitalsif you can consistently hit vitals in a stressful situation then 9mm is overkill and ammo choice is irrelevant
>>65108129>>65108132there's absolutely nothing about 9mm that would make it suck any less than .380
>>65108286>but is still performing like 9mm9mm is performing like .22 with more recoil>or over penetrates dramatically9mm fags cannot ever explain why this is supposed to be bad
>>65109764nta but ballistic gel is somewhat meaningful, but not the way it's generally used today. Being realistic is not the point of it, the point is that if you have real world "calibration" data, ie, coroners dealing with actual fresh shot corpses who can give you hard data, then you can map that into a consistent medium and then use it to get a cheap gut check on ammo that's never been used before. But it only works if it's identical to how you set it up, which almost nobody does. And all the "secondary effects" and shit people sperg about are indeed meaningless, plus the "over pen" and so on is all based around the considerations of its designer the FBI at the time, not civilian usage.>>65109775>if you can consistently hit vitals in a stressful situation then 9mm is overkillyep, tho>and ammo choice is irrelevantAmmo choice still matters though for the gun and user. Not all guns are available in all calibers, if you have a gun you really really like and feel good using and are good with carrying with then imo that's reason enough to pick whatever caliber goes with it. Caliber matters but it normally should come from the gun not the other way around I think. Although that's with mainstream stuff, practical economics are a good reason to avoid snowflake stuff. If you can't afford to ever practice that's not good for your chances either.
>>65109790>9mm fags cannot ever explain why this is supposed to be badI'm a "9mm fag" I guess and it's not bad for a civilian, overpen is a LEO thing. Also it's just plain fucking irrelevant to caliber because you can get whatever pen you want in whatever caliber you want anyway. My edc 9mm ammo is underwood XD +P+ which obviously is pure penetration. I also have frangible ammo though, I've shot ground hogs that got into basements with that since it's close range with concrete and pipes all around and I really did worry about overpen/ricochets. But the same would be true of whatever. You can buy super high pen speedy copper monos for anything. You can buy frangible for whatever. You can buy quality hollow point and all sorts of other stuff for something inbetween. Places have made tungsten AP rounds for handgun calibers. Load makes way way more of a difference then caliber.
>>651097859mm reliably outperforms .380 regarding consistent penetration and post barrier performance. >>65109790>responsible for every round that leaves your barrel>anon thinks that because the round passed through his target he is exempt from jail time or a lawsuit because he's a mongoloid who can't understand liability exists for everyone carrying a gun>>65109802It's a thing for civilians as well due to the litigious nature of the society we live in, and the very real need to reduce the risk of shooting an unintended target. It's also relevant to caliber, because .380 routinely fails to reach minimum penetration depths with JHPs, and over penetrates with FMJ / solid projectiles.
>>65109875>9mm reliably outperforms .380 regarding consistent penetration and post barrier performancerepeating the same buzzwords doesn't actually make your case. .380 can do absolutely anything and everything 9mm can.>>anon thinks that because the round passed through his target he is exempt from jail time or a lawsuiplease name me a case where anyone got sent to jail for that.>because .380 routinely fails to reach minimum penetration depths with JHPs, and over penetrates with FMJ / solid projectiles.there are plenty of .380 rounds that penetrate exactly where you would arbitrarily desire, much like there are many commonly used 9mm loads like 147gr hollow points that will fail to expand and overpenetrate even after a simple t shirt.
>>65109890Idk why post barrier performance is in a civillians list of requirements, the only time it would seem to apply is if someone is trying to run you over and youre on the hood of their car somehow. If youre in a car just drive away or hit an assailant, if youre on foot and not already hit but are going to get hit then evade. For law enforcement, shooting in/out of windshields is almost expected, as are possible shootouts using cover. Always just faggots larping as military/law enforcement when a snub revolver fills all their needs but they dont want to feel like it does
>>65108286>9mmfag trying to argue that 10mm is less potent than 9mmJesus Christ.
>>65108618Probably would have worked if they did.
>>65109875>It's a thing for civilians as well due to the litigious nature of the society we live in,Pure, unadulturated fuddlore. If you have a legitimate self defense situation, shoot the attacker and it happened to hit someone else? It's legally the attacker's fault, full stop. As a practical matter as well civilians basically never face a situation where an overpen would put anyone else at risk.This is just like the fuddlore about how if you have a "scary looking rifle" or "military attachments" you'll somehow get convicted and have it stick in a good shoot. That's not a thing.
>>65109934The prosecution will maybe argue it, but it SHOULDNT hold up at all and should get thrown out. The 10mm meme argument was argued by the prosecution but didnt amount to shit, idk why people try to use it as a deterrant for 10mm or other powerful handgun rounds
>>65109890Saying "buzzwords" doesn't make objective facts irrelevant. .380 demonstrably does not penetrate as deep as 9mm with JHPs if the projectile expands, and if it doesn't don't they have a tendency to just zip a little 9mm hole through the target. Congrats, you've reinvented 9mm FMJ but it only fits in utter garbage guns. .380 is dogshit, and there are demonstrably far fewer loadings than 9mm that perform as required to meet FBI penetration criteria. Notably, these tests don't even include the hard barrier performance testing. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/>>65109905Cell phones, bones, and heavy clothing are barriers, you ignorant nigger, and are pretty fucking common things an attacker might have. >>65109913The only thing 10mm does better than 9mm is straight line penetration with FNHC projectiles. Otherwise it's not doing a single thing different than 9mm, .40, or .45. Cope, seethe, screech all you want. It doesn't change reality. I enjoy the comfort my 10mm gives me when going walking in the woods though, knowing I can punch through both shoulders of a bear with Buffalo Bore FNHC or Underwood Xtreme Penetrators.
>>65109943>The prosecution will maybe argue itThey won't, or rather if they did try to do something so flagrant at this point it'd be instant objection and then the judge ripping them a new one territory. It's just not an element of justifiable homicide/self defense laws, which are really binary. Like shit, all the one's I've seen don't actually have anything to do with guns per se at all, they're about any deadly force at all. If what you happened to have on hand was a sledgehammer or kitchen knife, it'd still be the exact same defense. In fact it doesn't even matter if it's legal. You could have something you weren't supposed to, and they could prosecute you on that separately, but it could still be legit self-defense.I suppose "court of public opinion" is worth considering, but not to the extent of putting yourself at risk. More "maybe don't put on edgelord online meme shit stickers" or porn or something on your gun.
>>65106576>Bullshit. The numbers don't lie, there isn't enough sales of the ammunition to justify more designs.There aren’t enough guns to make people shoot .32. Hell it took me years to find a new production P32 that was in stock and not hugely marked up. There’s never going to be huge ammo demand when there is only 2, new production guns. The P32 is the only one I’d call actually popular, even at the that it isn’t made at high volume. The new Tomcats are more expensive for a heavier, less practical gun (but they are cool). NAAs are a niche, expensive, and worse. They dont matter in the grand scheme. Where was .380 ammo production and consumption at in 2006 before the LCP came out, then the Bodyguard soon after? Then a .380 pocket gun from everyone else. Ammo demand spiked because there were more guns to choose from. .32 isn’t going to unseat .380 and won’t ever be a high volume cartridge, but you’re being purposely dismissive rather than thinking.
>>65106834>costs twice as much>only two guns chambered in it>one of them is a $3900 Nighthawk>recoils the same as 9mm>has a 52k psi chamber pressure which has to be incredibly enjoyable in a 3” carry gun barrel>50% increase in pressure over 9mm>37% increase in pressure over 9mm+PYeah capacity is the only argument. No other reasons whatsoever
>>65107145.380 can (most but not all of the time), .32 can’t even with the new Federal Hydra-shok deep
>>65106525The fudd behind the counter at academy was a .500 nitro fudd. >That s and w 500 kicks harder than my deagle>"I'm sure it does, the cartridge has much more powder">No, I reload. The y have the same bullet>"Yeah, the projectile is the same but you out more powder in the .500 nitro">No they have the same sized bullet, the revolver just kicks harder.Really incredible stuff.
lol who the fuck cares about .32some of you niggers are so out of touch with reality it's insane
>>65106424Why are you niggas bitching so much? 43x is easier to fit in your pants than a 19/26 by nature of being slimmer. Now it has a "reliable" 15 round option, which solved the #1 issue of the 43x.
>>65106424Gaston was kind of an eccentric so I could see him just refusing to use mag technology he didn't design in favor of a magazine he did invent, solely because he designed itanyway James since I know you are lurking the thread you should make one of your paralegals get as much information as they can about Gaston Glock's divorce from his first wife, subsequent lawsuits over ownership of the Glock company between Gaston (and his second wife) versus his wife and children from the first marriage, and maybe look up that time one of his business partners tried to kill him.Considering the horse breeding operation was rolled up in the Netherlands in the immediate aftermath of his death I suspect it is related to the inheritance, unless it really was Gaston's side project and not his second wife's.
>>65107957>To this day I have never been able to replicate or figure out how this happened.fucking lol
>>65108423All right champ I came here to laugh at nitwits, and you are making too much sense. Please leave.
