Will we ever see a sport for fighter jets like Formula 1 exists for race cars?
>>65111201So just Red Bull but with jets instead of props?
>>65111209Simulated dogfighting Racing Whatever would be the most fun to watch
>>65111201no
>>65111201>Will we ever see a sport for fighter jets like Formula 1 exists for race cars?Maybe after they're obsoleted by drones. Until then though even quite old jets are still so militarily useful that anything operational is unlikely to be made available for fun.Then assuming jets that are still functional were made available, and all risk issues could be solved to government satisfaction, the cost and maintenance schedule is still a big deal. On high performance aircraft, even more so if you push them, lots of components need regular replacing or maintenance. If we're imagining a future time where the military demand is gone, will anybody still make the components to spec? If you assume we'll have some sort of nanotech so that anyone can print up advanced turbine blades in their basement then yeah that works, but short of that it's a pretty specialized market.I don't want to say it's impossible, F1 is pricier then a lot of people realize. An F1 car is like $10-20m, and while running I remember seeing it was like $60k/hour, which is actually in the ballpark of fighter flight hour costs (though for fighters that's average not worst case). A jet fighter race could dispense with a lot of the stuff that is expensive and maintenance heavy, stealth skins and lots of ewar shit and so on. Weapon space could be traded for more fuel or more structural reinforcement. Etc. But the challenges are high, plus there is the issue of audience and "race course", doing good interesting ones geographically is non-trivial and they'll have to be fairly big so hard to see most of. Figuring out how to actually generate enough market to support it would be an interesting challenge.
>>65111201Well, probably not.
>>65111219Probably not, because of two big problems. First is obviously expense. Second is that a sport like that would be very hard to spectate. It takes place over so much area and so quickly that it becomes hard to see. Where does the audience sit so they can see the action? You surely want to record video, but now you have the problem of keeping the cameras out of the 'combat area'.Like the other anon said what you're proposing is kinda like Aerobatics competition and air races which are already a thing, but they're limited for the same two reasons I just mentioned--too expensive for people to get involved in, too hard to spectate.>>65111239>still so militarily useful that anything operational is unlikely to be made available for fun.After WWII there was a massive explosion in the popularity of various kinds of boat racing. This happened because there was suddenly a huge surplus of massive high-performance aircraft engines but not much to use them for...so people started putting Merlins in speedboats.
>>65111239I'll add as well there is the issue of competition. Racing FPV drones have apparently already gotten over 400 mph (official record is like 360 mph). I'm not sure super sonic actually brings anything to the table in terms of excitement vs getting to like 500 mph and trying to go through a canyon or the like like that. Sinking millions into those might be more bang for the buck, be something you could get drone companies to sponsor just as car companies do F1 in part to test new tech, and even have certain excitement advantages given that a team could be very, very aggressive piloting them given there's no human onboard. Car racing has often had to cuck itself over the years due to drivers dying, with FPV drones crashing would still suck if it meant losing a vehicle worth millions and of course the race (and the whole season if you lost too many) but it wouldn't be a safety issue, so rules could be really relaxed. I won't say that jets wouldn't appeal to an audience separately but overlap is a consideration to the economics.
>>65111293>It takes place over so much area and so quickly that it becomes hard to see. Where does the audience sit so they can see the action? Onboard cameras. If they’re fast enough for FPV drones surely we should be able to get picture for live TV.
>>65111293>After WWII there was a massive explosion in the popularity of various kinds of boat racing. This happened because there was suddenly a huge surplus of massive high-performance aircraft engines but not much to use them for...so people started putting Merlins in speedboats.Sure, but the economics and absolute unit numbers are pretty different now. Like in terms of aircraft production, the US pumped out over 350 thousand aircraft from '39 to 1945, mostly in the final 4 years. Just wild numbers. Bongs did 130 thousand, krauts and soviets 100-150k each, so in total it all must have added up to like 3/4 million or more. Even with lots destroyed shit was just getting absolutely pumped out in 44/45, then suddenly poof plus jets were taking over.Now the most produced running fighter is I think the F16? Or at least up there? And that's got like 2100 in service. Orders of magnitude difference. I'm positive a fair number will make it out there, but there is just a lot less to work with. Richfags might buy 'em up or some shit.
>>65111318Of course they'd have onboard cameras, but 99% of the footage would be boring as fuck. It's not like in auto racing where there's always something to see out the window, most dogfighting is just seeing clouds/sky. They can try to make it more interesting by forcing the action closer to the ground but now safety becomes more complicated.
>>65111300fpvs have a 'feeder system' potential too in that there are cheap ones so even kids can get into messing with it. a school could do an fpv team, you can do amateur circuits and low level pro and just build up to max. dunno not a sports expert but lots of the most successful ones seem to run like that there are big fancy global ones but also tiny local ones and stuff inbetween. gives people a connection. creates a talent pool.
>>65111201There was talk in the mid-late 1960's to have a truly "unlimited" class for the Reno air races, but then saner heads pointed out that the subsequent course would need to be fuckhuge, and the inevitable accidents would be of a similar scale. Eventually the oil embargos of the early 70's killed the idea. The last I read of it was a copy of "Flying" from 1977.
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>>65111336>fuck. It's not like in auto racing where there's always something to see out the window, most dogfighting is just seeing clouds/skyLimit the dogfight “kill” range. Only fly in VFR conditions.
>>65111201One of the most retarded OP posts I've seen in a long time.Just my first thing to say is F1 already are the fighter jets of cars.You're so fucking dumb it physically injured me.
>>65111293what about biplane dogfights? They were typically going ~100 miles per hour.Need a 500 foot runway in front of the stands, a jumbotron and an altitude limit so the spectators can see with binoculars. Make them shoot automatic paintballs at each other for scoring idk so the aircraft aren't destroyed/pilots aren't killed
