shooting down an FPV drone with smart shooter
context translated with chatgpt >A reserve infantry force operating in maneuver in the central sector. The soldier, G., was part of a dismounted patrol at the company command post (HQ). Fighters on the ground identified a drone and issued a warning. Soldier G. immediately switched the sight to drone mode and began scanning for additional drones. After about a minute of scanning, a drone approaching from the south was detected. G. identified it as a hostile drone based on its flight signature (details given verbally).>>Soldier G. requested permission to fire and received approval from the company commander.>First shot: reported a miss (the target continued flying south along the ridge).>Second shot: direct hit after a few seconds. The drone lost stability, pitched sharply, and crashed to the ground. Estimated range: ~200–250 meters.>>Confirmed shootdown of a fast FPV target at significant range (over 200 meters) while standing.>>The shootdown, using only two rounds, was carried out with a Pigyon 3 (Gen 2), combined with a triangular attachment mounted forward on the Picatinny rail, aligned in front of the sight.>>Weapon: M4, standard live ammunition. A later analysis of the sight indicated that the first round had also hit.>>Important to note: Soldier G. was not formally trained/certified on the Pigyon system; he learned it from videos and the operator manual.pigyon is the hebrew name for smart shooter
To calculate lead it needs range to target, do you have to hit the target with a ranging laser to get this or is there something clever happening?
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>>65112692Cripes! Who is the cameraman for this? Michael J Fox?
>>65112814Be respectful Anon, I know your not that type of person.
>>65112734Most drones are a standard size tbqh. You can generally calculate the distance by the width.
>>65112814it's the gun sight recording it
>>65112734>To calculate lead it needs range to target, do you have to hit the target with a ranging laser to get this or is there something clever happening?The inventor worked for Rafael on Spike development so it's probably optical - I'd guess some combination of computer vision and photogrammetry. >The lock tracks the moving target through an image recognition algorithm. https://www.israeldefense.co.il/node/33313https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNej1dwTjW4
>>65112734it's optionally equipped with oneso ye this one probably had an LRF
>>65112692I'm honestly surprised that it's taken so long to come back. After seeing that Talon Precision smart gun thing and the original shown on arstechnica all the way back in 2013:>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/bullseye-from-1000-yards-shooting-the-17000-linux-powered-rifle/>Bullseye from 1,000 yards: Shooting the $17,000 Linux-powered rifleback then I thought all armies would be fielding this stuff standard by 2020, at least for dmr roles.>>65112734>>65112859>>65112867Optical and laser make sense, though with how well radar and phased arrays have gotten minified in the last 5 years (kinda blows my mind if I stop to think about it I've now got a handheld radar device for checking bullet velocity) wonder if that will eventually play a role too. Or maybe networked sensors feeding soldiers so that active emission is physically separate from the guns?
>>65112692>hit markercall of duty has a lot to answer for
>>65112910i'm pretty sure that's the indication that you can pull the trigger
>>65112738one round one hit, of course russians should not learn from this, they should waste as much rounds as possible :)
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>>65112738>xaxaxa those decadent crest are wasting bullets on taking down drones>here in motherland we simply send a working age man to intercept it with his face! RYSSA STRONK!!!
>>65112852That's a good point, that could actually work here. One problem is that you generally have to assume, there is no public data set for training models to identify a Mavic vs industrial vs FPV and they ARE different to the order of 10x from FPV to the industrial drone.>>65113547"Smart shooter", the IDF system pulls the trigger for you iirc. What your job is to line up the AR with the lead indicator. Iirc it did ballistics and windage for you in the past and then they adopted it for drones.>>65113684None of these systems work outside of $500,000+ minigun + lidar/radar solutions with ranging. If you disagree, find a demo video where this thing reacts to a directly incoming FPV. You can say that's moving goalposts, but that's what makes a system like this effective.These systems have problems with ranging (expensive) and optical zoom (expensive - look up binoculars, fixed zoom, not optical variable).If anyone knows of 20x optical zoom w/ electronically-controlled variable (e.g what's on Mavics, but that's proprietary iirc) or affordable ranging lasers with micro-controller integration, dump it.
>>65114088I guess AMA. Here is a typical system demo which shows an extremely controlled environment to the point where it's nearly useless.
>>65114100Oh, wrong video
>>65114088it doesn't pull the trigger for youit locks the trigger and unlocks it only when it thinks you'll hityou're supposed to use it by pulling the trigger continuously until it fires
>>65114104>you're supposed to use it by pulling the trigger continuously until it firesNuance, point is that your job is to line up with what it's indicating and it fires for you. They are pivoting to a turret solution because the ballistic calc is the hard part, spinny turret is the easy part, though again, depending on speed / recoil control requirements.
>>65114116it is but that's what the "hit marker" indication means the smart shooter wasn't developed for drones it just can do it too and it has a rcws version although it's not very good from my personal experience
>>65114126We are on the same page as far as I can tell.> and it has a rcws versionright:>They are pivoting to a turret solution because the ballistic calc is the hard part, spinny turret is the easy part, though again, depending on speed / recoil control requirements.Going back to just the smart shooter solution, do you feel like you got any use out of it at all? In what scenario? It just feels like overkill for ballistics on an AR.
>>65114154i didn't personally use one but it was used around me against people, drones and balloonsi heard mixed reception on the earlier version of it the rcws version is really finicky because it's based on a regular m4 it's annoying to reload or clear a malfunction but that comes with the benefit of being extremely light
>>65114154oh and the benefit of having one is that a simple infantry fire team has a capability to down drones effectively you don't always have a vehicle nearby or some encampment to handle these
>>65114168Right, it's one of the few man-portable RCS on the market. Their L-shape (or C depending on how you look at it), vs inverted U upper component should technically make it easier to clear malfunctions. I think what they are going for is that you can just share a service rifle between yourself and the turret. The mount is not universal at all, but it's fine for IDF I guess.>>65114177I still don't think this is true though, I don't know of a single system that can deal with FPVs, especially ones that come in on fiber-optic like Rubicon with low approach and pop up for id and hit in under 2s.Definitely interesting to hear your perspective, in Ukraine these are unicorns that you never actually see and when they got mounted on AD trucks, they performed like complete shit to the point where people just went back to hand-aimed Dshk on mount.
>>65114209clearing most malfunctions on a regular rcws is just a matter of a single button to charge weaponin gaza we didn't have an fpv drone threat and i wasn't in lebanonit was the grenade dropping or intelligence variety and to be honest we shot down more of our drones than hamas ones (as other units didn't properly announce they launched them)it definitely won't save you if you didn't see it coming but with a dedicated person for lookout it gives you some chance
>>65114100>>65114103These demos always make me laugh>we hit a drone moving at walking pace from 40 metersWe'll know these systems are actually good when the demos become skilled FPV pilots trying to penetrate and failing rather than this trash.
>>65114247That's my whole point - these systems don't really exist in a true point-defense role.>>65114234Makes sense. FPV threat is new as fuck, didn't exist in 2014 in Ukraine at all, I assume you mean Lebanon 2006, didn't even have observation at that point, you guys had your fixed wing ones at that point iirc, but Lebanon didn't have anything at all. I COULD be wrong, I don't follow ME closely, very surface level.
>>65114272no i mean lebanon nowthat's where the idf met the fpv drone threat i'm a reservist but i only served in gaza
>>65114274Got you, yea, FPVs on both sides in Lebanon now.
>>65114274Thank you for your service
>>65114116Neat, it's like a Counter Stike triggerbot
>>65114274based
>>65112830You're right. I'm sorry. I actually bumped him in 1988.
>>65112734>do you have to hit the target with a ranging laser Apparently not. Sight just tracks and estimate range to target itself if target is in the field of view Technically yes it tricky. Supposedly small Smaah sight does it by guessing drone size and eyeballing range by drone angular dimensions.Large Smash has laser rangefinder and additional apertures (that can be lasers) are visible at front. But you don't need lase target yourself. Maybe it had steerable laser that turns towards target itself?
