In the 1930s, China had plans to convert its army into a force of sixty divisions organised, trained and equipped on German lines. Only eight had been trained up when the Sino-Japanese war started, would they have been able to defeat the Japanese if the army was fully converted?
>>65117562They would’ve skullfucked the Japanese
>>65117562They would have lost
>>65117562In the 1930s, China as a unified nation did not exist.
>>65117562The orientation of the rounds in the magazine pouches is wrong and it is really annoying. The Chinese would still have lost unless they also had the armor and air assets to do the whole combined arms thing.At least that's what I think.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchukuo_Imperial_Air_Force
>>65117562>would they have been able to defeat the Japanese if the army was fully converted?Depends on the quality of leadership, on all levels of command60 well-equipped, well-trained and organized divisions instead of 8 wouldn't have hurt obviously, but good training and equipment means little in the end if your division commander is a corrupt coward and your generals are obtuse moronsAlso what >>65117654 said. The Chinese needed more planes, more tanks and good coordination between them and the infantry
>>65117562>organised, trained and equipped on German lines.Why German btw? Why not British, French, American or Soviet?
I always loved the aesthetics of ragtag armies with a mix of weapons and uniforms from various countries. WW2 China is a good example of that
>>65117722Germany was their biggest supplier O Algo
>>65117722>Why not British, French, AmericanBecause most western countries have arms embargoes on China to prevent the Warlordniggery of the 20s getting worse and to prevent any Colonial power from having an unfair access to China's markets by favoring either the Republic of the competing Warlords.>Soviets.The National Revolutionary Army was actually initially trained by the only world power that gave 0 fucks to the embargoes: the newborn Soviet Union. In 1924 KMT asked the Soviets for assistance, who said that they would help train the Republic of China's Army, but they have to include the Commies and play nice with them. The first united front is set up, the KMT and the CCP both create the National Revolutionary Army, and between them crushed the major warlords in the Northern Expeditions of 1926-27.With many lesser warlords surrendering & incorporating their armies to the KMT, Chiang felt he did not need the Communists anymore. He tried massacring them in 1927 to be rid of the CCP, but the Commies proved to be popular amongst the peasants (including many of the NRA's rank & file) and formed a serious army of their own, igniting the Civil War.By trying to merk the Reds, the KMT lost the support of the Soviets, so they approached another power for assistance, this time the anti-commies amongst the Weimar and later Nazi Germany in the 30s.Which is how Germany comes to the shitshow.
>>65117562Obviously the German NCO culture was far superior to Japan and pretty much everyone else but I doubt the Chinks could have copied it.
>>65117722One of the SA leader (forgot his name) rebelled against Hitler for being TOO SOFT on commies, so he was self exiled to China as a military advisor to the KMT. Ironically, he escaped the SA purge and survived WW2. He even had the cheek to file for state gibs for being "a victim of Nazis".
>>65117654>>65117709Lacking industrial capacity is the biggest problem in general. Just keeping 60 german-model divisions going under high-intensity combat conditions would've strained the KMTs industrial and logistics capacity.>>65118912They did in those 8 divisions. Problem is the Japs then ground them down in the early phase of the war and the experience and model were lost.
>>65117562They will still lose because apart from what >>65119021 said, the KMT Staff were corrupt as well.
Nothing short of begging Hitler to become a protectorate would save them from getting rekt.
>>65117722The German army was regarded as the best in the world (rightly) and Hitler supported the anti-communist KMT. Germany would get access to China's market and resources in return for the arms and training.
>>65117653China has existed for 25 000 years
>>65117722From Chinese POV: Because Germany was a highly industrialized and advanced country that had lost its colonial holdings in China and had no colonial interests there anymore. Meanwhile Germany was a pariah in Europe and needed a place outside of the Western powers jurisdiction to get its arm industry and military reorganization going again. China and the Soviet Union were the main places to go for that.
>>65119206By that logic so has Egypt.
>>65117562>centralized, well-trained army>in the buttfucking decentralized mess that was China pre-PRCNotice how Changs won't be able to refute this because that'd mean putting the PRC into question.
>>65119206It resetted themselves self with the great leap forward comrade
