Help me /k/, you are my only hope.I know fuck all about weapons and the military. I'm a science nerd. I have recently signed a contract joining a military lab, i'll be starting in a month or so. But it is not JUST lab work, it is a weapon carrying uni.Since i'm pretty autistic, i don't like doing these thingsh half heartedly. So i want to learn all things military.My problem? Just going on to wikipedia is too much info with not enough categorisation or hierarchy or structure. I can learn like this. Can any of you suggest a place to start? What kinds of weapon systems are there? What are the main categories of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, etc... What else do i need to learn to be a proper military autist?Thanks in advance.
>>65121339If you want an autist's reading list then>The Gun and its Development by W. W. Greener>The Machine Gun by George Chinn>Sixguns by Elmer Keith>The Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunneryhttps://archive.org/details/Combat_Handgunnery_The_Gun_Digest_Book_of_4th_Edition_by_Chuck_Taylor/page/n5/mode/2uphttps://openlibrary.org/works/OL3156857W/The_gun_and_its_developmentIf you want videos then Paul Harrel youtube channel is the best our there. Jeff Cooper and Massad Ayoob too.https://www.youtube.com/@PaulHarrell/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILlgeQ5Lm6Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pIyORucoI
This is something your father was supposed to teach you (or failing that, your military enlistment)No one on 4chan can give you this knowledge or aptitude.
>>65121403>This is something your father was supposed to teachDiead when i was a small kid. He did teach me about his over under shotgun and how to make a bow and some traps, but that was the xtent of what a subtenyearold could absorbe.As for enlistment, i said i'm starting a month or so from now. 3 months reservists training, then an extra two months to bump that up to basic. In the mean time i'll be working in the lab without a weapon, and not going out to do the things we do outside of the lab. Then in 27 i'll be doing officers training.But i have spoken to enough soldiers to know their knowledge is far from exhaustive. >No one on 4chan can give you this knowledge or aptitude.I'm really just asking for a place to start. I can't and don't want to learn the name of every gun ever made. But surely there are main categories like battle rifle (as opposed to regular rifle? What is the difference?), assault rifle, etc.. similarly, there must be categories of military vehicles like tank, infantry fighting vehicle, etc... These i want to learn, as well as current examples for the each main power, and some notable past examples.My question is, is there any systematic way, any good resource to learn this shit. Surely you fags don't just read random wikis or have only videogame knowledge. Right? >>65121375Thanks, these look interesting, though the books seem a bit dated for what i'm looking for.
>>65121425Tbqh the quickest way to learn those terms is to just do wiki crawls. Books are excellent if you want in depth knowledge, but if you just want to know enough to not embarrass yourself then you basically want a encyclopedia of military related terms, and places like wikipedia are the easiest available places to find that level of knowledge.That said, a wiki dive will only give you surface level knowledge, so shit like >>65121375 is great if you do want to know more than the bare minimum.
>>65121339Army Field Manuals (FM), Technical Manuals (TM), and Army Techniques Publications (ATP).Some (but not all of them) are here. Find the rest with a web search. They are occasionally revised, so check the date of publication before reading.https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/FM.aspxhttps://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/ATP.aspxLook at FM 1 (The Army: A Primer), FM 3-0 (Operations), FM 3-90 (Tactics), ATP 3-90.1 (Armor and Mechanized Infantry Company Team), ATP 3-21.8 (Infantry Rifle Platoon and Squad).Then go from there. There are more than you could hope to read.
>>65121470This. This is an excellent resource, thank you. What i wanted really was a condensed, distilled version of this, but if no such resource exists, i'll make it myselfe. i'll read these, and whateveralse i can find, and make a draw.io flowchart. When i'm done, i'll post it here so other autists can validate, criticize, and generally sperg out about it.Thanks anon.>>65121456Wikis are good, but there are millions of different guns and vehicles, and i don't really want to have to fish the structure of it out from all that info. But wiht the manuals, wikis will make for good additional material.
>>65121425>>65121507>sedated rat>box of human bonesYou can't fool me, you're going into chemical weapons training.
>>65121507You're welcome. The other branches of the military have their own manual directories as well. I would just ask a search engine or AI "what are the most relevant military publications about Topic ABC?"
>>65121339That is not your job. Your job is to write a program or hook a rig, run the test, record and crunch the number to answer the initial question that others pay you to answer if it is worth further engineering and production. The boundary of your project has been decided way before your lab director got this assignment. What you are saying is not demanded.The point of curiosity is just collecting pieces for pattern recognition, reorganizing into maps, pallets and tool kits, found an empty slot in the grand scheme, and lastly synthesis that missing piece. This will advance you closer to the intellectual source that creates viable programs others can follow.
>>65121619The fuck are you talking about? I want to understand the general structure of the military, and the types of weapons out there, because i find it interesting. My job is something i am and will be trained for, that's not why i want this.I just like learning things, and if i am to join the military, then that is something i want to learn about.
>>65121638I think it helps to understand some basic military concepts, because different types of weapons fill different roles per those concepts so they work together. For example, a basic infantry tactic is for one group of soldiers to fire at the enemy a lot with their machine guns (usually heavier caliber, belt-fed weapons), and another group to maneuver in to assault the enemy at closer range and kill them. It's depicted in movies and the like, see this scene from Band of Brothers where some of the paratroopers begin shooting at the Germans with machine guns to "suppress" them (scare the shit out of them and pin them down) so the maneuvering element can get into an angle and then attack and destroy the position. They're also using mortars which are small tubes that lob explosive bombs at an arc. They call this "fire and maneuver."https://youtu.be/kHMOaJCkIqgAlso there are different levels of military organization in a hierarchy. Like one platoon will provide a lot of the fire to assist two other platoons to maneuver, and all three platoons comprise a company. Then several companies will comprise a battalion, and several battalions will comprise a brigade and so on. War is like trying to get from point A to point B in a situation where there are bad guys trying to stop you.
>>65121425>But surely there are main categories like battle rifle (as opposed to regular rifle? What is the difference?), assault rifle, etc.. similarly, there must be categories of military vehicles like tank, infantry fighting vehicle, etc...Yeah. From what I understand, "battle rifle" refers to a larger-caliber rifle which were more common in military use in the 20th century. These British soldiers from the 1970s are carrying FN-FALs which are categorized as battle rifles. "Assault rifle" is kind of a popular culture term for a rifle with a smaller cartridge that was designed to be faster firing like the AK-47 and those are more common now. But it's not really that important. The main thing is you've have a bunch of guys with rifles and then a smaller number of guys with full-fledged machine guns who will throw a wall of bullets in the direction of the enemy:https://youtu.be/uZ2SWWDt8WgAnd you have tanks (big gun), armored personnel carriers or APCs (armored troop taxis), and then infantry fighting vehicles or IFVs that can carry troops like APCs do but also have a faster-firing gun mounted in a turret like a 30-millimeter cannon.
>>65121339The simplest I can think after having civilian contractors is to clearly define 'what you do'This is particularly important along with anything military because it cuts down on massive amounts of shitfuckery going on which most people will look at your sorry arse and think 'FREE WORKER!" which is absolutely not true and why you need to establish who you directly report to, who pays you and everyone else can go take a massive flying fuck into the nearest deep hole.Make sure you clarify this, so repeat after me->Who I work for>Who pays me>Who I report toIf at some point the person you work for needs you to report to someone else, make sure its only temporary, permanent or on a specific case by case basis and that's all you ever do. Don't think for a second that some shitbag wont steal you to go clean lab equipment, pots and pans or write up a motor pool inventory because niggers absolutely will do that! This also applies to the other side, don't steal Trooper Benis to help you lug glassware around or borrow his grenades because that's not what you do.You do civilian contract workAnything else is on your own time to learn and take an interest in, but they ain't your boss even if they make a convincing argument otherwise
>>65121638Military is a big fucking topic. Do you want to learn about structure of command or certain weapon systems? The history of how tactics and strategy lead to the employment of weapon systems, or why a bullet is different from a ICBM? "Everything military," doesn't mean anything. That's like going to /ck/ and wondering how a restaurant is run.Specifics, autismo, SPECIFICS!
>>65121425Yo what are they doing to the rat?
>>65121339A solution in search of a problem: the thread
>>65121638So you want to find stuff to read you are really interested in without ever searching it up yourself in any search engine, library or archive? This is some profound retardation. I am curious to see the kind of wisdom born from doomscrolling and being fed carefully selected and edited information to be trendy.
>>65121698"Battle Rifle" is actually the popular culture term; it was coined to describe semi-automatic rifles in a full sized cartridge to differentiate them from Assault Rifles in intermediate cartriges.The FAL and G3 were originally conceived of as assault rifles and would have been referred to as such in any situation where they were the first-line rifle being issued. They are in 7.62x51 for gay political reasons related to the Springfield Armory and NATO standardization, (Springfield tried to sell the 7.62x51 as an intermediate cartridge even though everyone knew it was not)Still, the FAL and G3 are derived from the STG-44 and STG-45 respectively, and were intended to fill the role of an assault rifle as it had been established in the later part of the Second World War.
>>65121425nigga that rat boi does not deserve that fate
>>65122003I mean, 7.62x51 is intermediate to 30-06, which is what the US's mainline rifle cartridge before then, and would have been what it would have pushed for otherwise.
>>65122088That rat did fine actually, it was one of the survivors.>>65121957I have looked. I even wrote in OP, that the results i found were a montlith, not organised. That is my point. I was hoping you gun fags would have a deeper knowledge of where to find good info, then google. And i was right, i got some good shit google did not bring up. So get bent faggot.>>65121727It is given 3% isoflurane so it goes to sleep. Then treatment, then observation. This fella did well. Most of them did.
>>65121721Command structure and weapons. What types of weapons does a soldier carry. Depends on the type i'm sure. So what types are there. What vehicles are there? What category does air defense even fall under? What about ships, aircraft, bombs? What kinds of ammo are there? There are MBTs and IFVs, what else? How do they combine? That sort of thing. I feel like much of this info is out there, but not organised into one cohesive whole. Or i haven't found that yet.For context my field of research when i was at uni was the molecular mechanisms of ageing. We had a few review papers on it that gave a framework, but only just. Most of it was separate research groups all convinced it was them who had the one and only answer as to how it works. It took me the better part of 5 years to consolidate all that shit. As much as i enjoy reading about military stuff and watching youtube on it, i don't want to spend 5 years on it. I will if i have to, but i don't want to. >>65121698Thanks, but i was more thinking of getting detailed pdfs or exhaustive videos on the kinds of weapon systems. >>65121665That is a great suggestion, thanks.>>65121524Not chemical exactly.
>>65122723>thenThis is the retard we have in charge of progress
>>65121339the most important lesson is that SIG handguns are dangerous and shouldn't be kept loaded.
>>65122723>I got spoonfedLet me know the next feeding time.
>>65122723>most of them did>>65122727>not chemical exactlyOh shit, he works in the fabled Ukrainian biolabs.
>>65123084Yeah, getting insight and the best material to go on from people who are passionately interested in a topic is bad actually, because...Seriously anon, you are a massive faggot. And probably a nigger too. >>65123314Bite your tongue. Id sooner die than be a ukranian. That being said, every country has biolabs, and of course NATO has CBRN.>>65123018I am not english. I speak 3 languages, english being one of them. I make mistakes some time. Than-then is fucking stupid. >>65123043Noted. Unfortunatly it is not easy to buy handguns here, so i'm not in danger of making that mistake. The handguns used in our military as far as i know are: 96M P9RC, Glock 17, CZ P-07 and CZ P-09. Are any of these any good? If i for som reason i get any say in the matter, which one should i go with?
>>65124178Maybe the better question is, how did anon look up these "uncommon find" 4u that you can't seem to find it yourself using the same google and archive? Will you be able to tell the difference from genuine recommendations to say ones from a book shill?
>>65121339THEYWILLTRAIN YOUNow stop overthinking it
>>65124330In my experience, when doing research, the more avenues you have for sources the better. For instance when looking for papers, i'll use googlescholar, pubmed, some forums, i'll ask the librarians in the relevant libraries, i'll do reference hopping, ask a friend or two and i'll ask perplexity, chatgpt and deepseek.Each has different methods for searching, and so even with the same set of key words and search tearms i get different relevant results.Then i organise all that in a zotero library, read all the abstracts, and see all the datasheets, and figures. Then organise them into folders based on which is best for which use or avenue of understanding. Then i read the best ones fully, noting unaswered and potentially important questions for round two. I also often categorise themes reoccuring in different papers, which i highlight with the same color across papers, for later consolidation.In this same scheme, this is the forum where i ask. Obviously i'm not going to do the same level of research on this as i would for an actual paper, but you get the point.Also, i still think you are a faggot.
>>65124434But i enjoy learning. And i want to know more than what i must. I also like to be prepared.
>>65121339You haven't been clear here. Are you going to be military or a civilian contractor?For the former - being a knowitall will not help you get through basic. Be humble, shut the fuck up and listen. Once you get to your unit then you can actually start learning.For the latter, learn to recognize rank.
>>65121507I would suggest not reading lots of US field manuals. The Hungarian military likely does things differently and names things differently.One important thing to learn about the military is that many things are done a way simply because that's the way it's done. Soldiers are strongly encouraged to do as they're told and not think too hard about it. You won't be doing yourself any favors by learning lots of incorrect information.
>>65124467It appears i really have not been clear.>Since i'm pretty autistic, i don't like doing these thingsh half heartedly. So i want to learn all things military.By this i mean if i am to be in the military that will be more than a job to me. I want to get into it as a hobby too. I find it all interesting, and now i have an excuse to really spend more time on it.>Are you going to be military or a civilian contractor?Military. A liutenant to be specific. I have to do basic and officers training. I will have quarterly evaluations on fitness, marksmanship and theoretical knowledge. I will have to take part in various international operations (i think that is the word), and war games. >Be humble, shut the fuck up and listenThis part i have been told, and understand.>Once you get to your unit then you can actually start learning.That is fair enough for the things i NEED to know.But i WANT to know a lot more. For me. For fun. Because this shit is fascinating. And i'm happy to read just wikis and watch youtube, i was just hoping for a framework to go by. If some one told you to learn all if medicine/biology, you wouldn't really know where to start. But with the names of the major fields, you can get a framework. I was hoping for something similar.
>>65124481Thats fair, thanks. I think my post may have been misleading. I'm not here to learn for my job. That would be dangerous and stupid, that is not what 4chan is for. Not exactly a reliable source of information. I'm here to learn as much military shit as possible, for fun. But in an organised manner.
im not going to help because i don't appreciate you posting your dissected animal/gore/human remains collectionfucking kooks, always the biggest fucking weirdos doing this shit, and you just know he's itching to drop some magic flakey powder or leave a dollar bill crawling with death somewhere and see how quick he can beat the London plague's record. nasty, nasty shit. biological warfare deserves no respect.
>>65124528I'd heard that rats were mostly cartilage before, but I hadn't really believed that. Is this one just dissected in such a way that I can't see the skeleton, or am I seeing the proofs?
>>65121339Uhh uhh uhh.>All war equipment from pistols to aircraft carriers is generally an equation about range, armour, and effect. >More of the above generally = better, but not always, because putting things into practice you've got to consider things like weight, maintenance demands, ruggedness, ease of use, supply chains, expenses and the like.>Military enlistment is typically a thing for poor people to get money, stability, and a chance to better oneself. Unless you're a commissioned officer, which (typically) requires a university degree.>Seniority and experience count for more than rank, but only stupid people think things like 'all officers (except the ones I decide are cool) are wimpy losers who don't know shit'.>War is a smart person game that's won a decade in advance by having better infrastructure, resources, technology and training. Chest thumping about masculinity is for grunts and boots to feel better about themselves. When the military itself puts emphasis on it, that's a red flag (pun intended), because it probably means their military is shit because either it's focused on everyone keeping a persona going instead of working, or it needs the persona to compensate for not working.>Anyone who's been in a military will have a couple of funny stories, likely involving people doing things they really shouldn't be doing, or being characters. If they don't, the stories are about them.>Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mdi_Fh9_Ag and watch this guy's video's for ship autism.>Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRves6Mhun8 and watch this guy's video's for tank autism.>https://www.youtube.com/@ForgottenWeapons/videos and https://www.youtube.com/@RoyalArmouriesMuseum/videos for handguns and the like.>And watch these two if you're more interested in medieval stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIVa_hIKFA>If you're looking at swords people on youtube, do not trust the person if they are fat.When in doubt, STFU, always.
vidya is a good place to start for general ideas. eugen games are easy to get into, but may not be the most accurate stat-wise.
>>65124628This.
>>65124435You totally did all that research to post just rat here. By the way the military does not want someone who obsessed with posting lab equipment like brownoid flexing with bmw keys in every photo.
>>65121339Ask your new employer for direction of study you autistic retard
>>65124628>>65124882Jesus, what a bunch of faggots. You know i have visited this place before, and i distinctly remember heaps of drone footage, people being blown up, and one corpse being boilt on for the bones, out on the battlefield. But you are going to bitch about some clean disections? Fag.>>65124672The front lower part of the ribcage is removed to get access to the heart, and throat, but the rest is there. Even humans are less bone than you would think. >>65124702Thanks, this is some interesting stuff.
>>65124781Huh. Ok, what is the consensus on WARNO? Seemed like fun so i grabbed that recently.>>65124885The fuck are you talking about? How are these like BMW keys? I'll post deepsky images instead. Better? >>65124892They will teach me about OUR military, only the specifics i need to know. But i want to know more.Is it really that weird that i am interested in all things military and want to know more? Is it that weird that i would ask about it on a gun forum? Some of you are fuckig weird man, and not in the good way. In the sanitized pussy way. I may be realtively new to /k/, but i have been on this site for a long time. If some lab images trigger you, i don't know what to say.
>>65124963Maybe you shoud go back
>>65121339>Watch Generation Kill>Check out Popo Medic for short, very-well edited videos of battles, raids, etc. Whatever info he leaves out for lack of time or fear of shadow ban is filled in by commenters (e.g. a very ATF-neutral video on Waco) >Watch 'The Fat Electrician' for All Sorts of Unbelievable stories, as well as learning, though it will be almost entirely historical.>Watch this 'War Music' Playlist, look into whatever thing/conflict interests you. >Watch Elite Squad 1 and 2, not because military but because paramilitary and good time.>Watch Donut Operator's Most Popular videos to see short shooting breakdowns. You will have fun and learn a lot by seeing people go down.>Check Out DemoRanch's Most Popular videos first for just fun with guns, then Garand Thumb's stuff from the last few years for fun but learning, alongside/then Administrative Results for a fun personality, gun learning, history, gun fun. Paul Harrel's most popular for a proper learning environment and some good lessons.>Video Games. Go to Roblox and Play Phantom Forces. The weapons are categorised very well, tons of customisation you can read the descriptions of. You don't have to play mil/flight sims, just check out Operator Drewski's stuff. Its fun. > By this point, your algorithm's already tuned, you can explore on your own, learn about whatever you are interested in, at whatever point in time. Unique, historic, failed, guns presenter Forgotten Weapons, Niche guntuber and mil-sim player turned Apache pilot like Oxide, unbiased and very well-read tank info presenter like Red Effect, etc.
>>65125136War Music Playlist:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1720spO4yQ&list=PLNoZLHReNkYWnHVAAyVS4gmNRr3i-2nQW&pp=sAgCI would've just handed you Major Samm's channel and the algorithm would've shown you the rest, but he recently unlisted his stuff. Saying 'he was not satisfied with the quality of his work' or something. Unfortunate, his was arguably the most creative, original and highest quality work in this genre.
>>65125147And no, I am not ESL-kun, just staying tired but staving-off sleep on Monster Energy, preparing a project I don't want to work on right now and working to meet a deadline which I know will be followed immediately by more work. Can't be bothered to think of grammar atm.
>>65125157And oh, read comments! Whatever you watch, unless its pure entertainment like DemoRanch, you will find invaluable tidbits as well as entire discussions adding on to the topic. Even under these war edits.
>>65125164Here are some more Warfare and geoplotics guys.
>>65125205P.S. Phantom Forces seem to have switched to fictional names for everything. They used to have all the real names- for guns and attachments alike. Shame. Still might be of some use though. And oh, there are older builds of Phantom Forces hosted by other users IIRC, you just have to scroll down after searching for the real game. You will find the real names in them.
>>65125214War Dogs, Lord of War, Behind Enemy Lines, Whistleblower (2010) are some nicher /k/inos, compared to stuff like Saving Private Ryan. There are /k/ino threads,, you can check the archives for excellent recs. Read Storm of Steel. Latest version isn't as graphic, but its a good read too. And OH!- If you like metal/rock, LISTEN TO SABATON! Look up 'Knight's SGC Archive Sabaton Playlist'. Knight's other stuff is good too.
>>65125147>Major SammRIP to a real one, he really was one of the best. Aesthetic Autism was sort of his predecessor, his edits aren't as quality but he did mostly jumpstart that niche, alongside the synthwave guys, of which War Aesthetics/Mixtape was king. Both have largely moved on, and Aesthetic Autism has been playing cat-and-mouse with the YouTube mods for years, since some of his edits included footage some which technically qualifies as "graphic." It was never even close to LiveLeak-tier, but apparently it was too much post-Adpocalypse.
>>65125136Thanks, thats a lot of interesting shit, i'll go check it out.I have already seen generation kill. I refuse to use roblox, i'm too old to try and figure out what that even is.>>65125157> working to meet a deadline which I know will be followed immediately by more workJep, that sucks. Hang in there anon.>>65125205Thanks. Youtube is convenient, because after a long day i often don't have the strength do read heavy material.>>65125237From here i am familiar with sabaton (i listen to it while working out, in preparation for basic i have lost 8kg so far). I have seen lord of war. I also really like dog soldiers.
Eyyyy I remember you posting before in the military recruitment threads before some dumbfucks copped an attitude about the bloody pics. Nice to see you've made some progress. I hope you're getting your exercise in, if you've led a sedentary life you will feel like dying during basic. Good luck, and I hope you engineer some kind of bioweapon that wipes out all of humanity.
>>65124950Lmao I thought it might be a larp but you are a genuine autist.
>>65122727>What category does air defense even fall under?Air defense (AD) is the category but there are different kinds of air defenses depending on what you're trying to shoot down. It's layered like an onion with missiles to shoot down enemy missiles and aircraft at the high end, and then at the bottom end you literally have a guy with a shotgun or a machine gun shooting down a drone, but the whole thing is supposed to work together as a networked system. Israel for example has specific missiles for shooting down ballistic missiles that launch all the way from Iran and travel briefly into outer space before coming back down, and then they use smaller missiles called Iron Dome that shoot down rockets that are shorter range.>That is a great suggestion, thanks.Another way of conceptualizing military "theory" is the inter-relationship between the nature or warfare and the character of warfare. Warfare has a kind of essence that hasn't changed much in thousands of years. It's horrible, violent, ruthless, destructive. There are certain rules that basically remain true, like it's easier to defend than to attack (it's a good idea to have numerical superiority when attacking, but having an overwhelming amount of firepower relative to the enemy can have the same results). You want the element of surprise. The nature of terrain can favor a defender. Attacking on foot across a swamp can slow you down, now you can't move, and the defender can see you and kill you while you can't see them. That was true for armored knights in the Middle Ages who'd get stuck in the mud and shot to death by crossbows and it's still true today for a tank that get stuck in the mud and then blown up by a missile.What has changed is the character of war, the technology. In the wars of the Renaissance, there were fireships which were ships set ablaze and then you'd send them to ram enemy ships to catch them on fire. Now the Ukrainians are using kamikaze sea drones to attack Russian ships.
>>65121403You're a dumb cunt
>>65126277>I hope you're getting your exercise in, if you've led a sedentary life you will feel like dying during basicI started working out and running around 7 weeks ago, in which time i have lost 8kg. The first two week were brutal, i really shouldn't have quit sports for so many years. But i'm getting back in it now, and that feels good.>Good luck, and I hope you engineer some kind of bioweapon that wipes out all of humanity.Thanks, though i'd be happy just getting rid of some ethnicities. That being said i'm in defense, so kind of the opposite.>>65126281I really am anon, i really am.>>65126496As the wise philosopher Fallout once said, "war... war never changes". In all seriousness though, this is interesting. I'm curious to see just what they do end up teaching us in basic and officers training. Also there are a bunch of elective additional trainings which i was told i'd be attending many of. >>65126558Indeed he is. Also he uses reddit spacing.
>>65124440Just work out then, fitness is more important
