SU-57 is kill.
Plz fix
Not my problem
>>65121607Honestly surprised any still exist.Not surprised that russians would be so fucking stupid as to leave one in the open.They should know and appreciate that ukies and anyone they can recruit or hire is constantly analyzing satellite intel.And drone intel.And probably an A.I. first filter to trigger anything that even looks like a possible target.Major flex by Ukranians. US 80s boomers are creaming their pants seeing russian warships, strategic bombers and stealth fighters get deleted.
Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant also had a fire recently at the facility where the Su-57 composites were produced.So it's probably irreplaceable.
>>65121607It's Sukhover.
Magyar is claiming that it's 2 SU-47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFiSkMprxGQ
>>65121607man you'd think ziggers would at least protect their muh superweapon jets when they have like a dozen of them totaldude who bonked it with some shitty drone will be high on it until next year
>>65121607Russia collapse imminent
>>65121607whats the retail on one of those?
>day 1527 of two-week special needs operation to take over poorest country in EU>ukes destroying your irreplaceable aircraft from over 1,000 miles awayEternal flight
>>65121610Wait hold up, why was Armatard screaming at Russians?
>>65121607UH OH ZISTERS, HOW WILL WE CONQUER THE UKRAINE NOW??
>>65121681He's actually Indian. He got paid to shill for Russia, and when the SU-57 crashed, so did he.
>>65121643Seems unlikely considering only one Su-47 was ever made and it's unlikely to be flight worthy at this point.
>>65121675>in EUI wish, I really do
>>65121643>Magyar is claiming that it's 2 SU-47You mean Su-57, tourist.Way to fucking out yourself.
>>65121643Su-47 is sitting in a museum airfield open to the public.
>>65121740>>65121703The poster is obviously a tourist who doesn't know that the Su-47 is the most aesthetic experimental project of the cold war era and doesn't know that the Su-57 is the rug-pull of the post-collapse Russian era and so they can't keep the numbers straight in their head.
How many more drone strikes on Russian airfields until we start seeing the Ukes fully utilizing their planes?
>>65121643I guess it wasn't, lmao.
>>65121651Keep kvetching, Marina.
>>65121694Jesus, I thought it was a bunch of Russian CSGO kiddies trying to shill for the motherland. Theyre all dead arent they?
>>65121681A pitiful attempt to falseflag, but with intense babyrage behind it.
>>65121648Nothing ever changes. This war has been so humiliating for Russia its hard to keep track of them all. I hope some anon has keeping a timeliness of itm
If a linear attack, such as strafing or a series of small bomb drops, were possible, it would likely yield significant results.
>>65121607the humiliation ritual shall continue
>>65121607KWAB
>>65121607I think Christmas Tree aprons are neat.
>>65121675The Russians invaded Bulgaria?
>>65121743Maybe he hit the four key and not 5 by accident you fucking autist. The video that was linked is su57s and in the title. I bet you've been here all summer
>>65121808>t.su47 poster
>>65121808>Maybe he hit the four key and not 5 by accident you fucking autist. The video that was linked is su57s and in the title. And the tourist poster didn't spot the obvious mistake they made, which you or I would have.>I bet you've been here all summerThat would be the tourist.
>>65121625you sure? my impression was that they're gnashing their teeth at the thought that mighty USSR that only wants to be friends is getting deleted by oinkraine and their semitic yuropoor handlers
>>65121769It is kinda funnyBefore the war?Opinion of normal people on Russia = eh whateverOpinion of Russian ball washers = OMG RUSSIA STONG LOOK AT THIS MEMEbut soon after the warOpinion one = holy fuck how are they this barbaric and incompetent at the same time?Opinion two = LOOK WE ARE STILL NUMBER ONE IGNORE REALITYit is downright embarassing for them
>>65121769Reality can be surprisingly cinematic
>>65121832Yessir.
>>65121625its not stupid. such strikes shouldnt be possible, simply because the ukies technically shouldnt be able to guide a drone or missile over such a long distance in gps denied air space unless they have access to either starlink, russian mobile internet along the way or some other satellite signal that for some reason doesnt get jammed by russia.
>>65121607warcrime
didn't need itGROUND war not air war
>>65121850wait untill you find out that planes can also fight the ground
>>65121850This + it was old and obsolete + it was full of hohol PoWs
>>65121832And here i was expecting the tires to prevent all of this...
>>65121607>Russian air force schmucks be like
>>65121760Actually no. Average age of Russian assault units volunteer is 45 year olds.
hey it finally managed to do something the F22 and F35 haven't done yet
>>65121890Same chance as France dropping two atomic bombs on St. Petersburg and Moscow.
>>65121890>noookslol, lmaoMoscow is getting glassed if he tries that
>>65121607IT WAS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES YOU SICK FUCKS!
>>65121926Don't worry, Moscow is protected by S-500s. Which totally work, unlike every other one of their air defenses systems.
>>65121675>in EUNot even, although they had managed to take over Hungary which was down there.
>>65121852And be grounded. Or ground.
>>65121890Zero. If Russia establishes the precedent that they will deploy nukes after getting BTFO conventionally, then nowhere in Europe is safe. therefore Russia can no longer be allowed to exist. If it's a choice between them or us, we're going to choose us.This is already kind of happening with France offering to extend their nuclear umbrella to the rest of Europe. As >>65121924 alludes to, French nuclear doctrine is utterly fucking deranged and pretty much guarantees the erasure of Moscow and St Petersburg if a single Roentgen appears where it shouldn't be.
>>65121890>Russia is forced to force Ukraine to make peace and sign all the terms, as it did in 1945 when the US dropped two atomic bombs, say on Lviv and Vinnytsia?Wait, Russia is forced to force Ukraine...Who is forcing Russia in this situation? US?Why would US nuke Lviv and Vinnytsia?How is that going to force Russia to make peace?You're not making any sense.
>>65121952He's brown, they have a 55IQ
>>65121890Remember the first rule of Western civilization and then apply it to mosquecow and pidorsburg. If you don't know the first rule of Western civilization it's "And then the French made everything worse".
>>65121967>mosquecowHey, it's you again! Remember me from yesterday?
>>65121838I like how all of them are cucking out, only firing short bursts, while number 3 has balls and is constantly firing.
not a great loss for Russia since these jets never had any purpose other than letting ziggers pretend they have a counter to the F-35 (they don't)
>>65121793These fags are less than 200 "people" with low POV camera. This is a pro-zigger party called Vazrajdane. Currently at 4.23% voter representation.
>>65121890>VinnytsiaYou could drop a nuke in the middle of nowhere and get the same result lol
>>65121994I just hope Radev turns out to be chill and Bulgaria has a dramaless five years of being European ahead.
>>65121999Radev is a massive faggot that got elected based on a punishment vote, and I am ashamed of my fellow countrymen for it. He will probably do nothing, or very little.
>>65122005>He will probably do nothing, or very littleIsn't he a zigger or on their payroll or something?
>>65122012He got elected by a majority non-zigger mass of votes, if he wants to keep any zigger soft power in the EU, he has to thread lightly, now that Orban is out.
>>65122005>Bulgaria has the Euro, F-16's, and is in SchengenWhat could Radev do at this point?
>>65121840The Oinkers have been doing deep strikes for so long there's really no excuse for surprise when they plop a drone down basically wherever they want. If Russia has any defense, it's that there's a whole fucking lot of Russia to cover and there's no way they in particular would be able to get all of their aircraft into shelter.
>>65122016>What could Radev do at this point?Veto, call for Ukraine to surrender, try to pull back our rearmament by "we should be more humble, Russia stronk" or other vatnik shit. Remains to be seen. Right now, some journo got threatened to remove some lapel with apparently ukie colors from his suit, or the show will not air, so his subhumans are already trying to pull subversive shit.
>>65122022>"we should be more humble, Russia stronk"I'm familiar with the whole "we should be friends with both sides" shit from Moldova. I haven't heard that one before.
>>65121838>Was this 23 or 24? I can't remember now, but the narrative from the Kremlin was the Ukrainians were on the last legs, victory was imiment. But the footage direct from the front was Russian columns being shredded almost everyday. Now pro Russians pretend guys on motorbikes and horses is some sort of strategy, rather than the result of their armour stockpiles being obliterated in two years.
>>65122015>if he wants to keep any zigger soft power in the EU, he has to thread lightly, now that Orban is outHe can take Orban's spot on the Fico-Orban mutual veto pact, where they veto any move to exclude the other from voting rights or whatever.That gives him all the zigger influence he could want.Is your new guy one of the EU aid corruption/oligarch type families in the existing power bloc?
>>65122040>He can take Orban's spotZero change. He will get a early election speerun record if he tries.
>>65122052
>>65121607>1700km1700km?!
>>65121890>forced to forceThis kinda rhetoric drives me up the wallRussia is a country like many others, it has leaders with free will, thinking heads, the ability to make choices. But no, instead it's always>muh poor russia was forced to invade (because nazis/NATO/biolabs)>forced to refuse the gajillion offramps offered them (because insert bs here)>forced to massacre civilians (because evil hohols pretending to be civilians, also it never happend but they deserved it)>forced to bomb maternity wards (because there were 10000 nato generals in a bunker under it)Russia has never made a choice in its entire history. Anything it has ever done was because someone else, somewhere else decided to do a thing, and it just so happens that that thing leaves russia with literally just one course of action.
>>65122066Yes. I am already in therapy because of it.
>>65121890>nookposting>in 2026That bad, huh?
>>65122052>He will get a early election speerun record if he triesCan the president just fire him and call a new election if he gets too ziggerish?
>>65121890>what if, in a year or two, RussiaWhat if, in a year or two, no Russia?
>>65122075>Russia was tricked into this war! Putin doenst even want to fight it!So Putin is dumb and Russia is week?>.... fucking Zelensky the Jew rat he's orchestrated it all!So Zelensky is clever?>...... Ukraine is losing!
>>65121714Supposedly the EU has been quietly working in backrooms, trying to fast-track Ukraine into the union since 2022.With Putin's suck-boy Orban out of the picture, they might actually go for it in the near future.
>>65121607Please, please, please release video of the strike. I want this event to be recorded for all of history
>>65122264I surprised Ukraine hasn't tried to ditch the Hrynia for the Euro as a "purely temporary and provisional wartime" measure.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHASU-57 0 KILLS, 2 DEATHSBWAHAHAHAHAHA
>>65122292Have there been 2 confirmed losses?I know there have been previous visually confirmed DAMAGE on some airframes, but I wasn't aware of any that were confirmed airframe losses.
>>65122314Not counting the crashes, there was at least one previous incident of an Su-57 getting #DRONED and suffering severe structural damage, most likely a beyond saving.
>>65122291That would make everyone much poorer
>>65122325I just remember the 2024 near miss on the tarmac that just peppered the plane with shrapnel.It wasn't severe structural damage though, it barely looked touched.
>>65121974I don't remember wher I leave my own wallet half the time, there's no chance I'd remember anyone who's not a tripfag. Don't take it personal, I'm just completely fried from alcoholism and head trauma.
>>65121860that could not have been a legitimate strategy...
>>65122292It's funny how they avoided using them in the opening days of the war since they thought it would be a steamroll and didn't want one shot down. Now they're relegated to missile truck roles and will never get a2a combat
>>65122264>Supposedly the EU has been quietly working in backrooms, trying to fast-track Ukraine into the union since 2022.I don't think that's entirely true, I think it's more about inventing a fast-track-because-we-want-to and putting Ukraine on that instead of the normal intake process.Enough to fast-forward to various partial membership provisions that give them freer hands to intervene without breaking EU rules and stuff.Full membership has loads of issues with Ukraine so won't happen during the war and will take a long time to get to afterwards.They're full-speed on anti-corruption right now, SBU is taking down fatcats daily almost, but there's loads to do and loads to get in order.So far, even oligarchs getting pulled up on multi-million euro schemes don't seem to believe that anything's changed yet.
>>65122359>there's no chance I'd remember anyone who's not a tripfagThat is kind of the point of 4chan.
>>65122383>plane is fine)))
>>65121607Shagolhod?!
>>65122325it was a near miss, but we know next to nothing about the extent of the damage done to it.>>65122314Unlessl the Ukrainians release footage of the strike we can't say for certain until you know who starts screeching about it in his telegram vagueposts.
>>65122394https://x.com/DefenceU/status/2050258597217464460straight from themthats literally the evidence they presented
>>65121743>the Su-47 is the most aesthetic experimental project of the cold war eraNah, the backwards wings look like shit.
>>65122446
>>65122431anonthis is the original video that their dod now deletedhttps://x.com/nexta_tv/status/2050246618537214426nothing to see at the end which is clearly an su 57(somehow and totally not ai )
>>65122455
>>65122331
>>65122446>>65122455>>65122460Damn, weebs work faster than furries around a Disney release.
>>65122467It's not new, that's from the first time.
>>65122264I wonder if the UK will be allowed back into the EU with the deal it had before. It was ultimately a bad move, and the EU (wrongly) chose to punish that decision as harshly as they could, but recent events have put things into perspective. Especially since the UK put more effort into protecting Ukraine in the early days than the EU did.It's just the French that worry me really. They've done fine standing up to America, but it's simply because they want to be the EU. Their arrogance knows no bounds
>>65122485In their next election the UK will be electing vatnik number 1 in Farage, they are better off outside the EU.
>>65121832>>65121769The fact Ukraine did this right after trump had the US switch sides to putin and publicly declared to Zelensky's face and the world, that Ukraine had 'no more cards left to play' while berating him to surrender to Russia, was the biggest possible one-two punch Ukraine could have delivered.Definitely up there in terms of proving to the world that Ukraine was still in the fight, with other moments like the Kherson counteroffensive.I'm still sad they didn't target any blackjacks, but wasn't that intentional since it's part of russia's nuclear tirade?
What air defense doing?
>>65122531>>65122548Oh dear, looks like the Russians are here to try and boost their agent Farage.
>>65121860They were too tired to defend.
>>65121793at this point i feel like the only people actually sane are those able to take the piss, i've come to find "serious" people incredibly annoying and obnoxious
>>65121793>not a fuckable person among themIt's always a good test. If the crowd looks like any group of people you'd see in the middle of a town/city then they're probably legit. Anything else then they're probably genetic failures
>>65122632It's bulgaria, you have to adjust your expectations accordingly.
So about that Su-57... Do we have any BDA? Preferably from the second wave of drones following to fuck up anything still unfucked on that airfield?
>>65121612kek
>>65122661>It's bulgariaOh, I had a very hot Bulgarian girl.They definitely exist.
>>65121607>>65121933SHE WAS SIXTEEN YOU SICK FUCKS
>>65121740Can someone save her? It’s kinda sad she’s left to that fate
>>65122823She belongs at the Hazy Center in VA.
>Chelyabinsk
>>65121760Are you responding to yourself or something? Look at when the post is dated, you stupid fuck.
>>65121960At least we're not fucking muscovites.
>>65121607this is impossible poland must have given them an air corridor this is genocide
>>65121612UHM 5th gen is ackhually supercruise and stealth is useless
>>65121607Footage from Arma or Fucking AI!
>>65122314none of those 2 are flying with the damage they took.the Abrams that got de-tracked and abandoned in Ukraine still got mission killed. so are these Su-57's.
>>65121681on one hand he could not show his face in that thread on the other hand his schizo brain couldn't allow us to have this win, so he tried to falseflag, but he did it so angrily and mad everyone recoginzed him instantly
>>65123068>globohomoOh look! an actual retard
>>65122231kek
>>65121610fuck me that was 7 years ago
>>65122607Thomas here is a retard and doesn't know that Bulgaria's currency has been pegged to the euro for the past 20 years, and to the mark before that.
>>65121760No, CSGO and dota are as full of russians as ever, it's most old people getting killed.
>>65122075There’s literally nothing more annoying than those shitbags who first gloat hiw might makes right, but when faced with any sort of criticism or difficulties, the endless stream of excuses starts painting them themselves as the victim. And Russians fall back to that every fucking time.
>>65123997>shitbags who first gloat how might makes right, but when faced with any sort of criticism or difficulties, the endless stream of excuses starts painting them themselves as the victimThat's because they're not fully sane, you're witnessing an example of cognitive dissonance or concrete thinking or something delusional like that.Their core beliefs include that they are predators who have the right to prey on others because everyone else is just prey.Conflicts with "other predators" are an example of them stealing the apex-predator title from lesser predators who just happened to have gotten the top spot by luck, historical accident or treachery. They're not so much stealing it as reclaiming something that unfortunately history hadn't awarded them in the first place.Prey resisting their predation is a violation of the Law of the Jungle and deserves to be punished on that basis alone.When this belief is challenged, by you or by reality, they can't back down on this central part of their identity so they have to find an excuse for why the belief is still true but reality is wrong or their debate opponent is wrong. Lies and fake news are part of the response but so is treachery, prey not knowing their place or not accepting that they're defeated or defying the obvious law of nature that says they have to be eaten by predators.So they keep coming out with ever more bizarre reasons why their defeat or loss is immoral, against nature, required cheating, required exploiting unfair advantages...the list goes on.It's simply a form of mental illness and you can see it or provoke it in anyone who quotes "Law of the Jungle" in any context, because that itself is an insane argument to make.
>>65121943>France offering to extend their nuclear umbrellaWhich really amounts to nothing if they still are only willing to use them if there is existential threat to France.
>>65122485no way, they gave up their founder privileges when they leftWith that said, if they can right the ship and avoid collapsing into post truth populism like the US they might be able to negotiate a way back in on still favourable terms, they've got the diplomatic skills and raw capital to pull it off for now
>>65122823Sadly we will have to wait until Russia collapses before we are able to offer to buy it up and relocate it
>>65122264Ukraine getting into EU with current agricultural gibs would ruin Europe. Ukrainian soil is fertile as fuck but still would be eligible for financial support so farmers in Poland and France would shit and piss themselves when their gibs would not be as big anymore.
>>65124009people like that sicken methey preach the virtues of strength and the rights of the strong only until they encounter someone stronger than themselves and then suddenly they're all "protect me law and order" again
>>65124044It's prison mentality.
>>65124038>Which really amounts to nothing if they still are only willing to use them if there is existential threat to France.Fucking with the EU economy is an existential threat to France.Or at least their lifestyle which amounts to the same thing.
>>65121816Again; Fuck you, joo. Everyone hates you. Buying mod positions on 4chan is not changing anything. If anything, your heavy handedness due to incest and retard belief of genetic superiority just alienates you more.
>>65124044>they preach the virtues of strength and the rights of the strong only until they encounter someone stronger than themselves and then suddenly they're all "protect me law and order" againThat's because they believe that they're strong and deserve to be strong, the rest is just the rationalisation for and consequences of that belief.It's a mental illness anon. Putin belongs in an asylum, we just don't have the means to easily put him in one.
>>65123974That's the dumbest thing to do with your own currency to be honest. You don't get the cheap credit advantage of actually adopting a stronger currency but you also gave up all your financial capabilities to adjust interest rates. That being said never forget what happened to the Greeks in 2010. (or the programmable euro in the making)
>>65123990>CSGO and dota are as full of russians as everGood. Containment games working as intended.
>>65122517oh hey, I wrote the post in that pic. good times.>it's almost been two years alreadyfuck.>>65123344>checkedtime flies, unlike her
>>65124071It means basically your government can't print itself out of trouble without fixing structural issues. Denmark does the same btw, quite successfully I'd say.
Why don't the ruZZians actually use their su-57s?
>>65125360They do. They just use them to lob bombs and missiles towards Ukraine well behind Russian lines. The real question is what's the maintenance like for these birds now that they are starting to clock actual combat-sortie flight hours
>>65122496Who cares. Farage says lots of shit but won't do anything he actually said he will. It's meaningless. Nothing will change. It'll still be illegal to view or produce incest porn (yes including step-*, despite it being legal to have sex with step-* after 18 and yes including drawings) in the UK (5 year prison sentence). It'll still block sites for 'adult content' (everything from train forums to sexual identity and health sites, because nobody understands the law). It'll still make saying mean words on twitter getting you insane prison sentences. It'll still make 'dogpilling' a crime. It'll still give you 2 years in prison for 'posting content that causes distress'. Farage just wants a legacy. He doesn't care about fixing anything here. Besides, thanks to Restore Britain, Farage has lost huge chunks of far right support by going to that clusterfuck of a scam party (all parties are scams but Restore Britain was literally created by a guy who scammed hundreds of thousands to do a 'extensive report into rape gangs' and then shat out a barely coherent report years later to claim they did it).Farage would likely just do nothing regarding Russia. Positive or negative.
>>65121740>Those instrument visorsIs that 1/8 inch steel?! holy shit
>>65122264>quietly working in backroomsI'm mentally picturing ukies and euros accidentally noclipping into a mysterious post-soviet brutalist space filled with bizarre smekalka weapons platforms that extends infinitely in every direction
>>65125382>Is that 1/8 inch steel?! holy shitIt's edge on too, imagine face-planting that in a rough landing.
>>65125380> train forumsTo be fair, trainies are fucking disgusting
>>65125393The Blyatrooms
>>65122264they are, but the process takes over a decade aside from the political and economic dimension there's a metric fuck ton of legal work to be donethe joining country having to adapt their own legal framework to be able to accept EU regulations / adopting EU directivesthat then has to be reviewedthere's also the ECJ and it rulings that will have an impact on the nation's laws and legal structure. although the ECHR isn't an EU institution it's rulings are also important to the process ins so far as they apply to common valuesthe joining countries bureaucracy will also have to adopt various EU norms, methods and standards all those things aren't exactly compatible with the requirements of waging a warthey will possibly gloss over some of it assuming that it will be done after them joining the EU but it would still take at least an other half a decadewhat we may see is the EU and Ukraine agreeing to a treaty where they don't join but agree to extend certain parts of the treaty of Lisbon to Ukraine
>>65125418or even worse light fail enthusiasts
>>65125418We really are. I have running gear pinups on barely 120 YO 0-4-0s.
>>65121612>Text text text>Russia sucks itKek
>>65122292the tally is usually A2A being destroyed on the ground is lame but so is that plane's record
>>65125380>train forumsGood, those "people" are deranged.
>>65121793Where's all the hot chicks?
>>65125675Blue Banana.
So what even is the current state of Russian aviation?
>>65125737Getting fucked by the operational tempo in ukrainein peacetime russian airframes fly 200-350 hours per year. Over the last 4 years they've been flying closer to 500-800 hours/year. Russian airframes are already only rated for ~3000-5000 hours at most before they start structurally failing, and russia can't take the time to do proper airframe service life extension programs, so instead they're building whole new airframes, and just swapping out all the parts that they can (radars, avionics, engines, etc). But they're only able to produce a handful of new airframes per month of any given plane in their fleet. Once you add in airframe losses from combat sorties and losses from drones strikes on the tarmac, and russian combat aviation is looking grim long term. According to intelligence reports Su-34s made in 2014 are already being scrapped because the airframes are reaching the end of life.An american F-15 made in 2014 would be considered almost new, barely 1/4 of the way through it's service life.
>>65125751NTA; what's the most critical bottleneck on airframe fatigue? The engines? Microfractures in the wings?
>>65125751>only rated for ~3000-5000 hoursThat's just nuts, considering the F-16 with service packages reaches 12000 or more.Russian aviation really is shit.
>>65125758Wings, engines can be swapped (and are regularly swapped).
>>65125767>(and are regularly swapped)Shit. I was praying that Russia's Tu-22 fleet was going to run out of engines.
>>65125764>>65125758>>65125751Oh yeah, and I saw some estimates place the attritional losses from airframe fatigue at somewhere around 30-40 airframes per year that don't get reported as combat losses; they just quietly get gutted for the spare parts and then scrapped.So even if on-paper combat losses don't appear massive, dozens more airframes are lost per year from the fatigue it's placing on the airframes.
>>65122510This is why I want Ukraine to succeed beyond all else because republicans want to be like Putin and I hate them for it.
>>65125375Why aren't they killing Ukraine's 4th gen fighters?
>>65126023The short answer is that they can't.
>>65125758wings and gear rotation
>>65122454I hate ziggers but I will fucking kill you for being such a retarded faggot.
>>65125758The actual internal frame. Think of it as the chassis. The metal itself gets warped and fatigued from high G maneuvers, takeoff, landings, just time and atmospheric moisture and oxygen.Tearing off all the components to get the the heart of the plane and then replacing sections and bolting everything back on, or replacements, since you already have it naked, means that at a point it is just more cost efficient to make a new plane.
>>65126032why?
>>65126082Cause they suck at it
>>65125751>According to intelligence reports Su-34s made in 2014 are already being scrapped because the airframes are reaching the end of life.What's your source for this?
>>65125360didn't they use one to kill the drone that was trying to defect?
>>65125751>200-350 during peacetime >800 during warI'm not saying you're incorrey, but to a noob like me both of those sound low
>>65126227>I'm not saying you're incorrey, but to a noob like me both of those sound lowPerformance aircraft don't fly as much as you think. There's trade-offs for pushing the technology as much as you can, they don't last as long.1/4-1/3 of the lifespan is pretty significant, especially in a war that's dragging on for many more years than anticipated.
>>65126082they can't neither find them or target them
>>65125773>Oh yeah, and I saw some estimates place the attritional losses from airframe fatigue at somewhere around 30-40 airframes per year that don't get reported as combat losses; they just quietly get gutted for the spare parts and then scrapped.I would absolutely believe that, since that was a trend in the soviet and adjacent armiesEven the military fire fighting units would have 3 fire engines on paper, but of those 3 one would be functional, one partly operational and the third would be a parts donor
>>65121838I miss these single file armoured assaults, by far the most kino and retarded tactic of the war so far.
>SU-57 killThis is more a propaganda kill than anything that will have an operational effect on the battlefield will it?Also speaking on operational effects on the battlefield, how is that going? I remember that 1-2 years ago the hype was all around the FAB glide bombs but I don't hear anything about that anymore.
>>65126282>This is more a propaganda kill than anything that will have an operational effect on the battlefield will it?Depends how many times it happens.There is a number where it will clearly influence the battlefield.I think it's about the third such damage/destroyed Su-57 so it's not a once off.>the hype was all around the FAB glide bombs but I don't hear anything about that anymoreThey're still around, sometimes used to level apartment buildings in cities close to the frontline, sometimes used to destroy positions.It's not as bad as Bakhmut but dugouts are still being destroyed this way and there was a story about a soldier evacuated by robot who lost his leg to a nearby FAB blast.
>>65126240Thanks for the response, you learn something new every day>>65126282>FABs Afaik they're still being used to a great effect. I'd guess something like pokrovsk was pummeled by hundreds of them
>>65124044There was that quote on Conservatism about how "there must always be an in group who the law protects but does not bind, and an out group who the law binds but does not protect". Also "What's mine is mine, what's yours is negociable" approach to relationships.Call it narcissism, main character syndrome or whatever, what it boils down to is selfishness. Now a selfish person can be selfless when they feel like it'll benefit them in the long run, but some people are simply both mean and stupid, and will simply grab everything they can get away with and hold onto it. The Russia/Africa comparaisons are not too far off the truth in that regard, and if course leaders like Orban, Netanhayu or Trump being successfully elected should worry you because when that type of strategy becomes the norm everybody loses.
>>65122314>I know there have been previous visually confirmed DAMAGEBruh, these planes aren't a car which can be sold to Georgia for locals to nigger rig its repair. That crap is sensitive, any significant damage == GG for the plane.
>>65122702Legal in Europe
>>65121607>blury imageDoesn't look like a Su57.
>>65126287>Afaik they're still being used to a great effectLmao
>>65126285>>65126287>They're still around, sometimes used to level apartment buildings in cities close to the frontline>Afaik they're still being used to a great effectGot any vids/pics/reports about it? I remember ziggersgloating about it ad nauseum 1-2 years ago but that pretty much has stopped, so I kinda suspected that it had stopped as well.
>visual confirmation >look inside>3 pixels
>>65124009You've literally described the prison-aligned russian culture, most famously embodied by gopniks.
>>65124043Easy, just don't provide agricultural gibs in the same amount to Ukraine, no?
>>65125758Engine are shit and don't have any normal amount of life, when compared to western ones, but at least they can be swapped out. No such luck with the fuselage itself.
>>65126082If they'd try, they would get shot down by ground based AA
>>65126306>these planes aren't a car which can be sold to Georgia for locals to nigger rig its repairlol, I've owned one of those.Georgia has a car market that people from all over the causcasus come to buy US grey import cars that got written off in the US because of a minor impact and brought over and fixed up. The major impacts get frankenwelded into a working car out of whatever pieces of car are available.
>>65126324>You've literally described the prison-aligned russian culture, most famously embodied by gopniks.I have but you've got it backwards.I'm explaining the underlying psychological mechanism, Russian culture, prison culture, and others, are examples of this mechanism but they don't explain it. That's what I'm attempting to do in my post.Just calling it prison culture is reductive, it has no explanatory or predictive power and so it just makes us stop thinking about why and how and dismiss it. That weakens us.
>>65126347>because of a minor impactThose are actually rare and not as cheap. Quite often they "repair" fully totaled fuck ups, which in no way can be safe after repair, be resistant to rusting or, when shit is especially bad, not even drive straight lmao. Mythical shit like "two cars welded into one" also are a thing.
>>65122075>This kinda rhetoricwas used by everyone in history trying to conquer someone else while pretending to be the victim>see: muzzies>>65124009>you can see it or provoke it in anyone who quotes "Law of the Jungle" in any context, because that itself is an insane argument to makeI wouldn't go that farthe "Law of the Jungle" is how all human civilisations dealt with each other before the invention of chivalry and its development into the "international humanitarian laws" by West Europeans>>65126324>You've literally described the prison-aligned russian culturenot really, there are key differencesthe main point you're missing is that Russian society resembles (Anglo) prison culture because of the prisonlike conditions under which they run their conscription programme
>>65126287>still used to great effectIf you want to call almost 18 months to take a small city within a day's walk from Bakhmut that sure, we can go with it.
>>65126451>day's walkproof?
>>65121838Does anyone have early videos like this? I swear explosions looked different, much slower, as if the smoke was "hugging the ground". I wonder what that was about, old ammunition, perhaps?
>>65124039The UK never had founder privileges in the EU, it was never a founder or particularly integratedIt had a lot of freedom back then because it was a strong economy with a strong currency with a large contribution. Unlike France or Germany it didn't receive much out of its contributions, so its freedom was effectively its payoff for the funding it funneled in
>>65126463>The UK never had founder privileges in the EUThey did
>>65121838its kind of amazing that we went from this to like 1-2 people on motorbikes every assault
>>65126474They had a rebate demanded by Margaret Thatcher in 1985, over a decade after they joined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
>>65126474No they didn't, they weren't founders and weren't privileged based off thatThey got vetos on stuff because they weren't a leech state for Germany to colonise with industry
>>65126227if you have 5k flight hours on a frame and use 300 a year you can fly the plane for 17 yearsif you have 5k flight hours on a frame and use 650 a year you can fly the plane for 8 yearsin peace time you'd have to replace your air force every decade an a half, in wartime you'd have to do that in less than a decade.so that means you'd have to accept you'd be operating half your pre-war numbers or you'd have to double production in effect the russians are gambling that they can keep their air force flying at this higher rate until the war is over and then get a good decade or more to recoverthat in turn limits their military options after the war until they have recovered. something the European love to see because that gives them longer to rearm.it's not just russian military aviation feeling the squeeze. their civilian aviation is being kneecapped by a lack of replacement parts for their western aircraft and very, very sluggish domestic production.the best option for them is to go and buy chinese. but that comes with some other (reliability) issues.
>>65126553>then get a good decade or more to recoverI doubt that Monke plans to do this. He wants Narva.
>>65122485>I wonder if the UK will be allowed back into the EU Of course, if they decide to come back.>with the deal it had beforelolnoFun fact:The 'brexiteer' people were paid by Moscow and they absolutely wrecked the UK's economy for ttheir paymasters.
>>65126578>they absolutely wrecked the UK's economyyeah it's not like Covid did anything amirite
