Is it any good and how is it compared to the Russian 7.62x39?
>>65125705>Is it any goodits okay>how is it compared to the Russian 7.62x39?worsewhat did you expect?
>>65125705It's cute. But if it was in a Contender or an Encore, I would prefer .44RemMag or .444 Mar.
>tfw it's literally 338 ARCNothing ever changes (or happens).
>>65125705It fits into a .45 rather nicely. Do whatever you want with this information.
>>65125705Functionally identical, but very slightly worse in every way.
>>65125705The case is unusually wide for an intermediate caliber, creating ludicrously long magazines if you want 30rd capacity. This is mostly because as the name implies it is a shortened 7.92x57mm. In much of the ways that 8mm Lebel is a compromise because it was an expediently modified 11x59mm Gras, 8mmK suffers from not really being designed from the ground up as an intermediate caliber. It is therefore not nearly as optimized as 7.62x39mm, 5.56mm or 5.45mm.
>>65125705>Is it any good It's a cartridge. It was an economically and logistically viable way to implement an intermediate rifle cartridge for a country like Germany in WW2, and all the compromises in its design is probably why they could even put it on the table like they did.>and how is it compared to the Russian 7.62x39?Very similar, but slightly weaker, and more awkward because the fat profile makes mags long. It's a cartridge even more of its time than 7.62x39mm, and it was only designed and used as it was because of the circumstances Germany faced then. Mind, a 30rd mag of 7.62x39mm isn't the epitome of grace either, but the heavy taper and curve helps with height for a bit.Supersonic loads of .300BLK have 99% the same performance as 7.92x33mm, except with better effective range due to better ballistic coefficient, and the cartridge being much slimmer means you can fit 40rds of .300BLK in the same space you'd fit 30rds of 7.92x33mm (or just a shorter 30rd mag).>>651257448mm Lebel is not a bad comparison. On the razor cutting edge when new, and showed the way forward, but its design compromises would really hold it back a lot. Probably a lot worse in 8mm Lebel's case, since I don't recall anyone making (or at least using) a machinegun in it using just belts, because that big rim and mega taper makes things inconvenient.
It's like .300 blackout but old and retarded
>>65125829Resurrecting it today would be retarded, but it was a pretty good idea by itself for its time.
>>65125863Honestly, I at least like the concept of a modernized 8mm kurz. A larger bore intermediate cartridge designed for supersonic loads with decent performance out to 400 meters that had slightly less power and recoil than a 7.62x39 would be pretty kino.
>>65125937Only it doesn't actually have better performance or range over 7.62x39mm or supersonic 300BLK.
>>65125937>I at least like the concept of a modernized 8mm kurzWe already have it, it's supersonic .300BLK, and it's pretty cool.Unless you want something more substantial, then there's .350LGN, which is a great hunting cartridge, and can be a nice light subsonic thumper with a suppressor, but you're climbing up the recoil ladder there.Supersonic loads of it can be compared in ballistics to the old .30-40 U.S Krag cartridge, which is pretty balls to the wall for something that fits in an AR15 with basically the same footprint as 5.56mm (modified USGI mags will fit and feed 30rds of .350), and you're sorely gonna want a muzzlebrake for rapid fire.>>65125969I think he means more power than 5.56mm and 5.45mm, which something like this would maybe have for barrier penetration and all, and it'd retain more power at longer range, but I feel that the cavitationorama that you get with SCHV intermediate cartridges is basically perfect for infantry rifles.
>>65125937That's called 6.8 SPC II. It's a pretty mid cartridge, but some people like the same things you do so it's got kind of a cult following.
>>65126037>let's give up 5rds of capacity for a cartridge that doesn't have meaningfully different performance from 5.56mmI'll never understand why some people jizz themselves over that one.
>>65125937>less power and recoil than a 7.62x39 would be pretty kino.7.62x39 doesnt really have much recoil honestly. Ive never understood why people complain about it.
>>65125715Still inferior to .45 Super
>>65126004I'd say 6mmARC is something like the modern version
>>65126117some people are here are saying a lot of people here don't own weapons and I'm believing it
>>65125863I mean retarded only because the case didn't seem to get much thought. Some have said they simply shortened a 7.92x57 case by an inch and gave it a new bottleneck...it sounds half fuddlore, half plausible, if the case head diameter needed to be the same as 7.92x57. Being a very chubby case is the only thing I really have against it
>>65125937That's a boutique chambering right there, no one in their right mind would produce it and actually expect sales
>>65126117>Ive never understood why people complain about it.That's because you see recoil as binary. Either you "can handle it" or "you can't". It's not surprising as it's human nature to try and simplify things into black and white. But in doing so you're missing the point. Lower recoil = more controllable = more accuracy. It's not about the recoil being so bad that someone complains about it, it's the simple principle that less recoil = more hits.
>>65125937>A larger bore intermediate cartridge designed for supersonic loadsIf it's both large bore and subsonic then why do you want to make it as large as an intermediate caliber? Even most *pistol* rounds are supersonic. If your design goal is to be subsonic there's zero reason to make it an intermediate caliber.
>>65127103The dumbass Iraqveteran guy shot .45 ACP out to 400 yards I think. Obviously a complete rainbow trajectory, but it makes me wonder if anon would be better off messing around with that.Actually come to think of it, anon could get the EXACT ballistics he's envisioning if he bought .350 Buckhammer or something and hand loading that
>>65127115Fuck, I meant .350 Legend
>>65126004>300 blackout300 blackout is gay, though. I don’t care if it’s already available and ballistically superior to what I’m envisioning. It just doesn’t have the pedigree of 8mm kurz or the usage by nato death squads of the 5.56 for me to consider it cool.
>>65125705>Is it any goodGood enough for the Ostfront though modern SCHV cartridges outperform it by a good margin. While not an ideal cartridge and slightly weaker than 7.62x39, it was beloved by German soldiers and officers when used with the StG44 as an infantry weapon.>>65126117>7.62x39 doesnt really have much recoil honestly. Ive never understood why people complain about it.The cartridge itself doesn't have much recoil but if someone's first experience with it is shooting it out of an overgassed AK, I can see where the perception can come from.
>>65127466Imma mention it once more, look into .350 Legend, that's probably the answer for you. Huge variety of bullet weights to choose from, think like 140 grains to 280, you could load it to do anything you want in that effective range you mentioned.
>>65127604350 Legend is held very held back by its slow twist rate and lack of aftermarket support for high BC bullets. .358 rifle bullets are quite rare in comparison to .308 ones.I wish they made 350 Legend to compete with 300 Blackout instead of appealing to hunters. There's no reason we couldn't be firing 290 grain .355 bullets.
>>65127629>High BC bulletsSo anon (or you, not sure), you want a small thumper cartridge that'll also have a laser beam trajectory?Fat fucking chance retard
