Why does nobody care about this war?
>>65128068oh is it still going when I didn't hear anymore about it I just assumed it ended up being just a skirmish
Just some border shit flinging and noise mostly
>>65128068Because fuck em, Pak ISI spent the better part of two decades propping up the Taliban. Now they can deal with their shitty neighbors on their own
>>65128068Because it will not result in any changes to the local status quo.Also, we've had platoon-size infantry skirmishes in those mountains for decades now.
Let's take as a given that the Durand Line is bad. What's the remedy? All of Pashtunistan in Pakistan, or in Afghanistan?
>>65128090How the fuck did Alexander managed to subjugate all that, just as a side quest.
>>65128068Scroll down to the casualties and losses section, that is why no one gives a shit.
>>65128090How do cultural enclaves pop up like that? Mostly referring to Tajik. With how volatile that region is how have they not been more consolidated by now?
>>65128097There's a story where Alexander's mom wrote him and asked why it's taking so long. He sent back jar of dirt and told her to spread it around the palace,within weeks locals were fighting each other hourly over petty bullshit. Probably shorthanding the actual story but subjugating is a loose term for what he was doing there
>>65128107Silk road. That place has been a cultural blender for several thousands years.
>>65128107The volatility is almost entirely caused by external factors. Most people aren't actually interested in murdering each other most of the time.
>>65128110Sure, back then it was about getting all the strongmen and warlords to bend to you. Not counting square miles.
>>65128118that's an optimistic takethere are huge portions of the world where the generic human civilization was>women do all the work, we subsistence farm, and spend all extra labor on flinging shit-covered arrows at the tribe next door to settle blood debts
>>65128126Tribal warfare is not very deadly.
>>65128129No but it's a fucking pain to bury. Blood feuds go back centuries
>>65128126Not really though, most human life throughout history has enjoyed a relatively non-violent existence. The reason it figures so large in the history books is that people care less if 75 years go by where it's all fine if the 75 years of peace were followed by 3 years are a rape and murder orgy where half the adult male population dies and all the females between 10 and 75 get gang raped every day. That kind of thing gets passed down for a few generations until everyone forgets how much it sucked, rinse and repeatBut the "extra labor" in most cases is not spent fighting, again, most of the time
>>65128130True. Have you seen that Dead Birds documentary? The tribe is in a constant loop of anxiety of a coming raid or attack to avenge someone they killed. Or they are stressing over how they can hit back and get revenge for one of their dead. Kinda stressful.
>>65128116>cultural blender for several thousands years.With the giant Buddhas the only real victims.
>>65128136first I'm hearing of it, thanks
>>65128140dont remind me pls
>why does nobody care about the geopolitical equivalent of two retards fighting
>>65128068because there are no jews involved
>>65128110>Alexander the Great marched into this graveyard about 2,500 years ago. Easy to march in, hard to march out. His words. He and his mother wrote to each other all the time. One day, he got a letter from her saying: "What the hell? You conquered most of the known world in a day and a half, what are you doing bogged down in Afghanistan?" He grabbed a bag and shoveled it full of dirt and had it sent back to Greece with a message to his mother: dirt and dump it around the palace, see what happens." So Alexander's mother spread the dirt all around the palace. Later that night, a couple of attendants showed up to make sure she was alright. One says: "Go ahead, after you." And the other says: "No, after you." And the first one says: "No, I insist." And the second one says: "Don't you tell me what to do." They pull their swords and go at it till they kill each other. Alexander's mother watched all this and wrote a note to him saying: "Okay, okay, now I get it." And he wrote back saying: "Even the dirt is hostile." In Afghanistan, dogs fight dogs, birds fight birds, men kill men.
>>65128097>How the fuck did Alexander managed to subjugate all thatBy understanding that when diplomacy fails you use the sword to get what you want. Western armies don't understand that anymore.
>>65128107>How do cultural enclaves pop up like that?The mountains of the Hindu Kush are fucking huge, as are the valleys. When you have no infrastructure other than foot trails, it's easy to find valleys to hole up in and avoid outsiders. That entire mountain chain is like that from A-stan in the east, west through Paki and India, and deep into China. It's just another world, and when you step into it, it's more like your stepping into a new time that existed centuries ago.
>>65128068>Why does nobody care about this war?goog luck to both sides and here's hoping it escalates to regional nuclear war the arsehole of the world South Asiatruly poop asiasung in the style of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdjNv5HsA1E
>>65128178>By understanding that when diplomacy fails you use the sword to get what you want. Western armies don't understand that anymore.during the Vietnam War, the US dropped more explosives on Laos - a country that wasn't even Vietnam - than had been detonated by all sides combined throughout all of WW2. the sword doesn't fucking work
>>65128090re-establish the sikhs which was the prior solution to both jeets an afghans
>>65128118>Most people aren't actually interested in murdering each other most of the time.Afghani's were murdering each other over firewood in the Kunar province when I was there back in the day. Your world isn't theirs, and that's the problem with the west when they try to apply their values and morals to non-westerners.
>>65128192What the US didn't do was put boots upon Laos's (or 'Nam's) necessities. Old Al' made it so the Afghans would have pay tribute to him to access their farms, or starve. After about a month of attempting to do their usual routine on an empty stomach, they collectively submitted.Modern conventions only serve to prolong wars by preventing a state from decisively cutting off another's jugular when it has the means.
>>65128181>A-stan in the west, east through Paki and India, and deep into China.My bad...
>>65128204>Modern conventions only serve to prolong wars by preventing a state from decisively cutting off another's jugular when it has the means.well, say that next time instead of what you actually said. Western armies aren't "afraid to use the sword", they've dropped more bombs on more countries than any other regional bloc in the world has since the invention of the aircraft.The US beheaded ISIS by lazily striking all their cash and oil pillars without really risking anything.
>>65128192>the sword doesn't fucking workIt works. See: Post Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan.
>>65128204>Old Al' made it so the Afghans would have pay tribute to him to access their farms, or starveYeah, they submitted so hard he had to leave a fifth of his army behind as a garisson, and marry the daughter of the strongest warlord, and spend a shitload of gold from his Persian conquests to buy (rent) their submission. Doesn't sound much like submission when you look at all the facts now does it?
>>65128090I say we thunderdome it and let whoever wins draw the bordersjust seal the whole region off and periodically airdrop rifles, ammo and high explosives into random towns
>>65128068Lower intensity conflicts that don't affect surrounding countries barely get attention. If their fighting got so intense that the rest of the world felt an economic shift, then it'd make news.
>>65128215Japan only surrendered because the warhawks in high command failed to coup the emperor. The same people who were driving Japan's wars in the first place were unfettered by the destruction of Japanese cities. >>65128222the truth behind Afghanistan is the same truth behind labor strikes. if you just don't do what people want you to do, beyond the point of all reason, you can win really easily. Empires desperately depend on the belief that they cannot be resisted
>>65128200Would they be murdering each other if waves of westerns hadn't been marching in every 10 years handing out machine guns and hiring tribesmen to kill each other? You seem awfully sure that it's the natural state of things rather than just a state of chaos introduced by the USSR and the USA
>>65128228>only surrendered because the warhawks in high command failed to coup the emperor.The emperor had not authority without those that served him, and enough of them did to immediately end the war, exactly because they understood the consequences.
>>65128241>Would they be murdering each other if waves of westerns hadn't been marching in every 10 years handing out machine gunsYes.You seem awfully sure that it's the natural state of thingsYes.>rather than just a state of chaos introduced by the USSR and the USAThe U.S. and the USSR had little to no control of the remote mountain valleys in NE A-stan where I worked. There issues were completely tribal and revolved around control of resources in their respective valleys, and various tribal rivalries. Been that way for centuries and won't change unless the place gets dominated and developed the way that the European alp nations are today.
>>65128110You missed key parts of the storyHe sent the bucket of dirt AND captured locals
>>65128177whoever came up with that quote is stupid. The point of the story is that the people valued the land, not some "the dirt is hostile" nonsense
>>65128250Afghanistan is not a naturally chaotic country, there has simply been no opportunity for institutions to develop. Any country subject to so much foreign interference would seem inherently chaotic. It's been a proxy battlefield for almost 50 years.
>>6512828650 years! golly. it's hard to believe that Afghanistan didn't have a poor reputation prior to 1976 but I guess it's true because some fucking retard on 4chan said it
>>65128097It was more civilized back then, to the point that Bactria was known as the Land of a Thousand Cities during the reign of the Greco-Bactrian kings that succeeded Alexander. Alexander was only there for a couple of years anyways. The Persian Empire was gone and he was basically just dealing with holdouts (and also a small Scythian invasion) for the few years he was in Bactria. The Bactrians themselves were merchants for the most part and there was also a large population of Greeks that the Persians had moved there after the Ionian Revolt, so he didn't have an angry populace to deal with.
>>65128291If you're so incredibly cocksure about your knowledge of Afghanistan then tell me about what must have assuredly been a bloodthirsty, chaotic, war-filled period of 1930-70
>>65128286>Afghanistan is not a naturally chaotic country, Bullshit.>there has simply been no opportunity for institutions to develop. Also bullshit.
>>65128310well damn if you say "bullshit" then I guess it's case closed, the world started in 1979 and nothing existed prior
>>65128314>if you say "bullshit" then I guess it's case closedCorrect.
>>65128293The death of the Silk Road is what destroyed the region; it went from growing fat on trade to a desert.
>>65128178Wouldn't need the sword if Westerners could do diplomacy in the first placeToo enlightennment-brained for that now. The ideologies dominating our ruler's brains just make them unable to make friends with non-Western countries.
>>65128068>nobody caresgoat fucking savages aren't on anyone's menu, sport
>>65128377HAHAHAHAA! A trillion dollars of aid, education and infrastructure construction over 20 years isn't "diplomacy", then. Fuck off, nigger
>>65128068>>65128072This. It had a really funny start, but now it's just Pakistan learning the same lessons as the US about the limits of air power against an enemy that would prefer to live in caves than say sorry.
>>65128110>>65128177What the fuck does dumping dirt do?!? Literally what did he mean by this?
Why would anybody care about this war?
>>65128118Nonsense.Seconding this >>65128200An interpreter refused to translate the ravings of a ANA brigadier general yelling at my section commander because 'we'd have to kill him.'They will chimp out and slaughter each other over insults, westerners can't comprehend the level of casual violence that exists there because it's been violent and backwards enough to stay utterly irrelevant from the collapse of the silk road until 9/11.
>>65128068>pooslimes killing pooslimes>this is somehow a bad thing>>65128097He didn't he got his shit pushed into by Hindu king Purshottam and the little gay Macedonian scurried back to dabbing on Darius
>>65128377>Wouldn't need the sword if Westerners could do diplomacy in the first placeBullshit. Quit blaming shit on "westerners" when it's local cultures that have the most impact on anything. Western civilization has zero impact on the remote valleys of the Hindu Kush, and never have.
>>65128401I know some morons will idealize the Bronze Age because vgh men were real men n shit, but Afghanistan basically has a Bronze Age culture. Does anyone really think it's done them any good?
>>65128377Yeah being a violent retard is frowned upon in the West, but I can understand why room temp IQ browns like you can't understand anything else.
>>65128414gm saar
>>65128068I enjoy getting even more ammo to make thirdies mad
>>65128068media usually keeps quiet about DoD vs CIA interdepartmental conflicts.
>>65128848>mediaThe don't report on it because the american people don't care
>Tenth week (30 April-present)>On 1 May, two soldiers were wounded in a quadcopter strike from Afghanistan on their position in Mohmand District.[342] In Bannu, a constable was killed and a civilain was wounded in a rocket attack on an armored vehicle.[343] Militants killed a tribal leader in North Waziristan leading to heavy skirmishes between the militants and the tribesmen.[344] A quadcopter strike from Afghanistan on a cricket ground in Bajaur district, injured three civilains.[345]
>>65128851Yep, thirdie on thirdie violence isn't an engaging news topic.
>>65128068Because thirdies can’t chest thump to this one.
>>65128090All of Pashtunistant in Afghanistan. Ideally, Baluchistan would be it own country as well.
>>65128848news reporting is based on what is monetizable and the average person in the us doesn't care about what goes on in other countries
>>65128068footage isn't as easily available
>>65128861There needs to be a media solely focused on covering wars
>>65128068there's a war?
>>65128068Muslims only care about heckin imperialism or heckin genociderino when white people or jews are involved. If they're the group doing the imperialism or war, it's just. They're the most imperialist group of people on this earth, which is why they have little meltdowns when it's done to them.
>>65128068Because nobody gives a shit about Pakistan, not even the Pakistani diaspora; and since the coalition pulled out nobody gives a shit about Afghanistan.
>>65128068because they both deserve it
>>65128090separate pashtun ethnostate, divide the rest between the different stans and Iran
>>65128181Not only that, the horrible nigger the tribe kicked out just goes two valleys over, kidnaps a rape victim, starts a clan, and tells them all how wronged they've been by those other assholes.Meanwhile pappa tribal is a pedo rapist.
>>65128241>>65128241There's historical records going back literally thousands of years that show they would, yes. >muh poor poc a bloo a blooWestern liberals believing that nonwhites can ever be civilized will never not be funny
>>65128314Iran's entire history:Get something going>get invaded>amalgamate>stop doing better>get invaded>new resource base for the economy>REPEAT FOREVER
>>65128068because neither country is even able to reliably exert force within their own borders let alone do anything somewhere else.
>>65128107Tajiks came from numerous different sources but get lumped together. The main factors that make a Tajik today is they speak Farsi, and are not tribal. (In China they have a group called Tajik but they're actually Pamiri).Some probably were descendants of Persians who left rather than accept Shia. Others were merchants and the like, burghers essentially, who wound up in cities. Others were Khwarezmians, Bactrians, and Sogdians who wound up using the Farsi language instead. The main reason they haven't integrated with other groups is because they are not tribal and the others are.Think a similar situation to Eastern Europe prior to WWI and WWII with little German towns scattered all over the place, even in areas that were never part of Germany or the Holy Roman Empire, such as Russia.>>65128241Yes, of course.
>>65129692>Western liberals believing that nonwhites can ever be civilizedOnce upon a time, Afghans were white. And were civilized. A handful of them still are white.
>>65128389He mans that just having the dirt around is enough to send people into a blind, retard rage.
>>65128129>Tribal warfare is not very deadly.But it is everlasting, eventually becoming the most common cause of death of male tribe members.
>>65128068Why are the talis dogshit in this war? Their command centers are getting blown up, and border checkpoints are shelled. It's a one-sided conflict from what I gather. No ambushes, ieds, or blowing themselves up. There's a sizable Pashtun population in western Pakistan, and the terrain is similar to Afghanistan. Do they only unite or blow themselves up by the hundreds when non muslims attack?
>65128414get a load of this jeet faggot
>>65128097The middle east was much more civilized and reasonable before islam.
>>65129992>Once upon a time, Afghans were whiteIs that not British or Russian admixture?
>>65131028It is not. He's Nuristani. Nuristan remained pagan until the 1890s. The region hadn't even ever converted to Zoroastrianism or Buddhism which had been the dominant religions before Islam in Afghanistan. They held out against Islam that long, largely because the region is so isolated.As a result they wound up mixing with surrounding populations much less. Some Nuristanis claim they are descendants of Alexander the Great's army. Genetic studies don't really back that up, nor does their prior religion (it's like Vedic Hinduism or Iranic paganism, not at all similar to modern Hinduism). They seem to just be a pocket of Aryans that never intermarried with local populations significantly.
>>65128389anon you really can't figure that out?my god
