what space craft, dropship and other equipment would make the most sense in case you needed to take over a planet?
>>65128509drones
Is it possible to have an unbalanced technological system where we possess the technology to travel between stars, yet fear re-entering a planet's atmosphere?
>>65128509Whatever you're flying would probably need nuclear thermal ramjet engines, so it doesn't choke on odd atmospheric chemistry. Either that or some kind of modular engine that could be modified in the field for different atmospheres.
>>65128547so... a scramjet
>>65128509Something to bombard the planet from orbit. Something to carry a lot of troops and their equipment as well as a means to get them down to the surface. Probably something to provide air support as well. So battleships, carriers, large troop barges that might also land on the planet, some sort of escorts for all this and if you're meaning an Earth sort of scale planet with billions of people then a lot of these things.
>>65128527Drones cannot take and hold ground, dronetard.
>>65128542That's a tall order, you'd need extreme schizo-tech levels. The Soviets were landing probes on the hellscape that is Venus successfully.
>>65128547>>65129168>build giant interstellar ship in lunar spacedock >oh no it csnt go into atmo because its main component is just modular framesIts not that hard to imagine. Hence the need for specialized landers. Even the Venera pobes were specialized so that doesnt really help the argument at all. Drop a Venera onto Europa and it will freeze.
land huge rockets on the planet surface and then use them as company/battalion-level FOBs, just like in "The Invincible"nothing else really makes sense. Individual squad SSTO dropships like the Halo Pelican/Alien dropship are a pipe dream. luckily, giant 1950s rockets are way cooler than dropships anyway
>>65128509All I need is my little green duck
>>65129219oops wrong angle
>>65129179That, plus the sheer fuel cost and/or potential risks of bringing your main interstellar ship out of orbit and into atmosphere.Even if it's built to handle that, do you really want your septillion-dollar battle carrier parked where the locals can take pot shots at it without even needing orbital capabilities?
>>65129205very based
>>651285092 Overlords + 3 Excalilburs, with a Mule for cargo. Not enough for a full RCT, but it's a start, and fits on a single Invader.
>>65129222>>65129219Oh God he made it into space?
>>65129343Personally, I prefer aerodynes, even if they make no sense.
>>65129343Two Invaders. Invader has three docking slots.
>>65129343A single Overlord would be overkill if you consider your average planet made up of Davion dirt farmers.
>>65129543Derp, was thinking Star Lord and typing Invader, my bad.>>65129568The Outback is a looooong ways from any border--other than maybe the Taurians.
>>65128509Just build what you need on-site.
>>65128542We're basically living in that world right now. Space itself is a fairly comfy, low-risk environment aside from the lack of air. The tires on your care are under 3x more stress than the hull of a ship in space, and a submarine is under something like 100x the stress. 99% of the challenge in building a spaceship is surviving the stresses of launch and reentry.
>>65129446He's killed hundreds of pirates and space commie drone enforcers alike
>>65130228Now that you point it out not a single astronaut has died outside of reentry or launch on a mission. Closest you can argue is Soyuz 11 which was still reentry related.
>>65128509>single pilot multi role dominance fighter>ftl capable without needing to piggyback on a larger ship>runway to atmosphere ceiling in less than 50 seconds
>>65130286Is that Macross?
>>65130286Funny enough the No Man's Sky post earlier had all of those things with the silly little 80s duckbill starfighter. >modular enough to specialize in any role without excluding the ability to use others (a dogfighter with a railgun gatling can still carry rockets, etc) >hyperdrive capable even without being attached to a frigate or capital ship >ground to space in about five or six secondsThe only problem is that I'm not sure what it has for planetary bombardment, but the tech definitely there even if the need isn't.
>>65128509The separatist droid army and the earlier Trade Federation droid armies were both massively underrated in both canon and legends. >Unironically effectively limitless >able to deploy massive overwhelming numbers>able to do so in a short time frame>overwhelming firepower in literally every possible theater of operations >only lose because plot armor>only lose because ordered to losePic related and its compliment could handily wipe out every army on our planet.
>>65130286I too saw that YT short
>>65130314>on our planetNo shit. They have armed spaceships, we don't. That's not a high bar when they got run off by the local militia with light fighters and the gungans.
>>65130314>ordered to loseA bit doubtful unless I'm forgetting canon. Win or lose Palpatine would have cause for the war he needed to take power, if his home planet was literally occupied by the Trade Federation it would have given him even more fuel to rabble rouse in the senate until he could mentally influence enough votes to become Chancellor and take emergency powers. If anything, Naboo was a test of his apprentice and the Jedi Order both, where all results suited him just fine.
>>65130314And their compliment of landers were a wonderfully inventive bit of fantasy engineering. They deployed troops, speeders, tanks, and troop carriers quickly and effectively.
>>65130344Honestly one of my favorite scenes in those movies was just seeing the battledroids fold out of those. It was brilliant.
>>65130326He never wanted droids and didn't want to share power. He deliberately set the CIS to lose. The entire point of the CIS was to consolidate all the people that could singularly oppose him into one block he could then eliminate and their armies with them.
>>65129205We need to go back
>>65130326>A bit doubtfulIt's in the novelizations which thanks to Disney are now as much canon as the movies. He wanted all the richest and most powerful organizations in the galaxy in one group so he could kill them all and take over their dosh. The seppies winning didn't suit his ambitions anywhere near as well as the republic becoming the empire did.
>>65130271Now if only he could do a return tour. His home is overrun with earth communists
>>65130319No they got one shotted by the chosen one. They were wiping the floor with everyone until tiny vader decided to asspull magic and jedi younglinged their control ships main reactor. Because unironically why would you NOT have a central brain in control of your robot army RTSing the planet below?? Especially when the chucklefucks don't even have a navy.
>>65130356Yes, he deliberately set the CIS to lose, but we're talking about the Trade Federation on Naboo.
>>65130380In Naboo specifically they weren't ordered to lose. Space wizards going to space wizard in that one. There I think he legitimately wanted to have Naboo lose and take out Nute early on iirc. But then prophesy happened.
>>65130372If you are retarded enough to get into a war with the jedi and not expect asspull magic I do not know what to tell you. I would be prepared for that shit. Sonic weapons exist and lightsabers can't reflect them, the same goes for buckshot unless the jedi is OP enough to catch the pellets and throw them back at you. The problem with the Trade Federation's setup, ultimately, was that the droids were slow and a little stupid on their own and a bit too reliant on an operator and there don't seem to have been enough of those. Anakin's ship never should have been allowed that close to the reactor, especially when jedi bullshit is an expected factor. Tiny Anakin nothing, Revan would have soloed them for being this incompetent.
>>65130386No Naboo was actually Darth Plaguies not Sideous, well it was a bit of Sideous puppeteering around Plaguies. The main idea had Plaguies in on it but Sideous had his own thing going on with Maul, which Plaguies knew about, but was not fully aware of all his dealings.
>>65130386Fair enough, I think we just sort of jousted past each other unintentionally then, because he definitely wanted the CIS to lose or he wouldn't have set the whole thing up that way. I agree with you, too, since it fits how he seems both sort of surprised and like he's working out how to take advantage of this when he first meets Anakin at the end of Phantom Menace.
>>65130392It wasn't just asspull magicMaul was there for asspull magicIt's CHOSEN ONE asspull magic that fucked them all overRevan would have been bent over and raped by JarJar entirely by accident if he was ever anywhere near tiny Anakin's plot armor
Giant egg filed with mechs and all kind of vehicles/equipment be upon you.https://youtu.be/ikB8B26OUpE?si=F_4LAHsyfaSa6aeW&t=21
>>65130392Anakin one shotted a lucrehulk when he was 9. Wtf did Revan do when he was 9?
>>65130404>Revan would have been bent over and raped by JarJar entirely by accident if he was ever anywhere near tiny Anakin's plot armorand everyone would have clapped, such is the power of the chosen one.
A mecha carrier that transforms into a giant mecha
>>65130456That sounds fairly gay.Of all the ways the thing could transform it chooses giant man. It went as gay as it could with what it had without being overtly sexual.
>>65130392Kyle Katarn just force pushed the pellets back at people.Checkmate Sithiests.
>>65130392I mean the Lucrehulk is just a repurposed transport ship - itd be like complaining the IRIS Shahid Bagheri was not as survivable as a Gerald Ford class carrier
>>65130589>I mean the Lucrehulk is just a repurposed transport shipNo, it was built to purpose. It transported immense amounts of cargo. The cargo varied. From merchant goods to armies. Whatever it transported it transported in absolute security. And during the clone wars it was never faced by a republic ship single-handedly with the expectation of victory. It was undoubtedly a capable warship in its own right and brought to bear an immense amount of firepower, shields and a veritable flood starfighters wherever it was deployed. This is why it's underrated. People look at it and think it's a ship that was rushed into a role it wasn't suited for. In reality its sheer mass allowed a degree of power generation and troop deployment few ships could match.
>>65128509This grinds my gears>giant ass starship with no crew>only has one platoon of Muhreens>only has one APC and one dropship>Lt does not carry his own Pulse rifle and is only armed with a 9mm>APC has space for 4 sentry guns but not extra Pulse rifles and Smartguns plus ammunition
>>65130649>giant ass starship with no crewThis is explained in the technical manual. FTL in the setting induces time expansion once you get past lightspeed, hence the need for the hyper sleep chambers. While most of the crew is sleeping the ship is run by the AI core, with androids like Bishop remaining active to do the tasks the big AI needs a human shaped and sized assistant to do.
>>65129129Yes they can you brainlet.
>>65130537>admits its not overly sexual>still finds gay faultsI think that's a you problem.
>>65130360Stop all engines. Repel all boarders.
>>65128509With the advanced material science of a space faring civilization? I'd say cargo tethers that a low orbit spacecraft or mobile dock would attach to an on-planet site. I really see no way of entirely space based logistics for an invading force entirely dependant on shuttles made for atmospheric landings and starts. You need space infrastructure, quickly.Think of these swimming docks the chinks have for taiwan but as a space equivalent.
>>65129854Thing is OP never specified the population of the planet that is being invaded. If the entire population is made up of some hillbilly named Keith and his pet tortoise Alan you don't need that much.
>>65130667Call me crazy but I don't think any entity is going to accept I have a drone hovering over it as legal ownership of anything. Until your boots are on it, you don't own it.
>>65130649>>only has one APC and one dropshipAnon, needing to set up a radio link to the ship to bring down the SECOND dropship is a key part of the plot of Aliens. The USMC is an extremely dispersed organisation, most deployments are company level or smaller.
>>65130659>>65132005>>65130649gorman was selected by burke because he was green and incompetentirl apone would take command with gorman being the yes manburke wanted to capture the engineer ship and the ayylmao so he hastily assembled a crack team of colonial muhreens instead of a fully crewed missionthe nasty kike already knew hadley's hope was fucked and gone by said ayylmaos from the get go but he did not know nor understand how actually dangerous they were so he thought that a single platoon of colonial muhreens would get it donethe colonial muhreens for their part wouldn't get fucked up hadn't they pushed further into the reactor tunnels
>>65128509Going by the size of the people that dropship is not big enough to carry the APC like it did in the movie.
>>65128509idk exactly how realistic they are but the big ball and egg shaped ships out of battletech or the hlv from gundam always had a charm to them
If you have to bring everything down from space you won't be able to rely on having specialist vehicles in the first wave. Does that mean the main manned vehicle will be an IFV with AA capability? Unmanned autocannon turret with some missiles and a point defense laser on the roof.
>>65132732Union my beloved
>>65130456Dem pincers...>You need a Macross?>Why not Zoidberg?
>>65133525The dropship that smells of recycled farts is your beloved?
>>65130228>low-risk environment aside from the lack of airHoly shit, you're retarded.
>>65135210smells of recycled farts?
>>65130369>tfw no job where I can strafe communists with a Phase BeamIt's not fair
>>65128509Big craft=big target, you can't shield something against planetary weapons no matter how big it is. The biggest capitol ship can't match the biggest planetary weapon. Ideally you'd want to group as few people together as possible to survive AA. So this idea of Battletech or Trade Federation dropships is retarded. See how well that worked out right in Episode 3 when a Core Ship got shot down by what equates to a couple of tanks.The smallest group is 1. What's the best vehicle you could equip a single individual with?Red Rising starShells. They carry only one person, are basically full featured sublight spacecraft combined with extremely capable power armor that can run for days, have energy weapons, projectile weapons, missiles, extremely robust ablative armor and extremely limber mobility tailored to melee combat. The Golds that pilot them primarily rely on melee weapons because pulseShields can deflect most infantry-level ranged weapons while larger weapons like those used by Drachenjager would be too powerful to defend against anyway.So now instead of 1 dropship carrying 100,000 men, you have 100,000 dropships carrying 100,000 men in an Iron Rain, each on independent trajectories, each capable of singly defeating centuries (company) or even millennia (battalion) of conventionally armed soldiers. And by conventionally armed I mean of the era; energy shields, laser and plasma weapons, hypervelocity rail weapons and physical armor impervious to firearms and low grade energy weapons. Essentially the only thing that can deal with starShells is other starShells and larger land weapons like Drachenjager or small starships. The only real weakness is EMP, but it takes especially powerful ones to work, usually in an ambush.They also use these things to conquer starships by firing hundreds at enemy ships. They cut through the hull with Razors, fight their way to the bridge effortlesly slaughter everything but other starShells and take over the ship.
>>65135440>you can't shield something against planetary weapons no matter how big it is. The biggest capitol ship can't match the biggest planetary weapon.says fucking who?
>>65135801You got a space ship bigger than a planet? No?You got a space ship with more room for power generation than a planet? No?Then how the fuck are you going to have superior defensive power to contradict planetary offensive power?
>>65135833my spaceship hides behind the sun and meson-guns your planetary defenses to death. easy game
>>65135868>need to take over a planet>destroy it by perforation insteadI guess you missed the entire point of the thread. And also my point; any space based platform that could power, aim and fire such a weapon would be dwarfed by a planetary power source, weapon, and targeting systems using the same type of weapon and be destroyed sooner, farther, more precisely.Now stop being a fucking spergoid retard and adhere to the spirit of the thread. It's not an autism-off.
>>65135890>destroy it by perforation insteadweaponized mesons wouldn't damage a planet, they travel through matter harmlessly before decaying into radiation at a specific spotIRL:>missiles fired from a planet into space need to be huge; missiles fired from space to the surface are tiny for the same yield>it's easier to see stuff on a planet from space than it is to see stuff in space from a planet>the position of the planet and its features can be predicted to an accuracy of meters from hundreds of years off, meaning no sensor data is actually needed to destroy static defensesplanets have every disadvantagethe same principle applies in 2026 to static AA vs. aircraft, a battle which aircraft usually win. The ability to move and have an unknown position will always trump mass of fire
>>65128509rockets
>>65135911>it's easier to see stuff on a planet from space than it is to see stuff in space from a planetThis is wildly wrong. You've fallen for the RKKV fallacy. Bother to actually do the math and space craft are highly visible and horribly un-maneuverable.
>>65135868>traveller>magically teleporting antigravity spaceships so cheap every space-truck-driver can afford oneMy reality assertion field stops you in a puff of rose-scented logic.
>>65128509Mobile suits.>can enter and leave atmosphere with transports or special equipment>contends with in atmosphere heavy vehicles and battleships in space>versatility of having terrain for cover or flight for maneuverability>range of mass produced and experimental models>rare space autism precognition pilotsYou'd need another mobile suit or armour force or enough tanks/ships to deal with them without being outmanuevered. Other contender is Star Wars with the ISD supported by Acclamator frigate.>Acclamator can enter and leave atmosphere while carrying tons of troops and equipment and supporting firepower>ISD can just shit TIE fighters over everything which can also operate in and out of atmosphere and glass problem areas from orbit>rare space autism precognition pilotsYou'd have to have an equivalent space fleet or planetary turbolasers and ion cannons big enough to rival a star destroyer unless youre pulling the space autism card.
>>65132732More realistic than most. A sphere's a decent shape if your goal is to maximize cargo capacity while still being at least somewhat aerodynamic for returning to orbit, so long as being actually maneuverable in atmosphere isn't a priority.
>>65135440>The biggest capitol ship can't match the biggest planetary weaponCounterpoint: Planets can't dodge. Station your dreadnought a few light minutes away and pick away at their defenses while random walking.
>>65137772Random walking is bad enough when you don't have all your eggs in one basket. Check out WW2 bomber casualty rates.
>>65135440>>65135440>The biggest capitol ship can't match the biggest planetary weapon.What about firing 100thousand roks with 100000 boyz each?
>>65137855Orks aren;t fair, because once they're on a planet they're on a planet forever due to their reproductive cycle. Only necrons and tyranids can get rid of them permanently.
>>65137805https://archive.org/details/TF1-3389FlakBut keep in mind there's no predicted bombing path for barrage fire, and not only do you not know the enemy's future movements but thanks to lightspeed delay you also don't know their current position. Also you can't fire relativistic kinetics from inside an atmosphere without wrecking the planet you're trying defend, and due to beam diffusion lasers and particle beams have maximum ranges that the enemy can just sit outside and pick off your missiles or slow shells with their own lasers and lob hard to deflect chunks of fractional c tungsten in at you.Nah, barring some shoehorned author fiat like Honorverse's Eridani Edict, planetary-to-orbit weapons are a waste of resources that are better spent on making your own ships.
>>65137882>thanks to lightspeed delay you also don't know their current position.Anon, that's what the posted image addresses.>no predicted bombing pathEverything in space has a highly predictable one, even with nuclear drives.
>>65129205It helps if your ship also has a powerful energy field and a cannon that makes a nuke look like a firecracker. "1420 Roentgen in the field, pondered Rohan- that means that the radiation has broken through the barrier of the force field. He had not known it was possible. But when he glanced at the dial of the main output meter he saw how powerful a charge the astrogator had applied, enough energy to bring a good-sized inland sea to the boiling point."
>>65131895Get blown up, retard
>>65128509I simply issue a batchall.
Would ground based orbital defences just be a lot of stealthy hypersonic missile?
What planet?
>>65138579Nah, I've got grandpappy's scattergun and an old microwave, I'll be fine.
>>65135440>>65137855>There is no time to be lost! Battle-brothers!>Space Marines, today, the enemy is at our door! We know our duty and we will do it! We fight for our honor, as Blood Ravens, as Space Marines, and we fight in the name of the Emperor!>And if we die this day, we die in glory. We die heroes' deaths! But we shall not die, no! It is the enemy who will taste death and defeat! As you know, most of our battle-brothers are stationed in space, prepared to deep strike!>Our perimeter has been prepared in the event that our enemy should be so bold and so foolish! We have placed numerous beacons, allowing for multiple, simultaneous and devastating defensive deep strikes.>The Codex Astartes names this maneuver "Steel Rain". We will descend upon the foe, we will overwhelm them, we will leave none alive! Meanwhile, our ground forces will ensure the full defense of our headquarters...>We are the Space Marines! We are the Emperor's fury!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCfod1XT7E
>>65143007https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfORh9cFDU8
>>65130568Kyle Katarn beat a dragon to death with his bare hands before getting force powers, he is a statistical outlier
>>65143026You don't just get force powers. Higher than average force sensitivity is something you're born with, most just never learn how to consciously use it, and it usually manifests as absurdly "good luck."
>>65130015Based UEF poster
The New orleans class strike carrier is the ultimate planetary invasion asset. Load up an entire mech battalion inside, drop ships clamp onto IFVs Armor and supporting assets all preloaded with crew and infantry. Each drop ship is loaded onto an extendable arm to be extended past the hull and be dropped free. The carrier also carries some lighter and heavy drop ships along with strike craft to support the landing. I really like dropfleet as a setting since the game isn't about blowing ships up but getting troops on the ground and taking the planet.
>>65130314>Unironically effectively limitlessDroids still have to be produced and require resources to be made at all. It is a more cost-effective method than relying on clones, but considering that in canon they at most outnumbered the Republican 100-1 or 1000-1 it is a far worse solution than just conscripting the quintillions of citizens into the military. Especially with how more safe it is. Relying on droids is putting your entire reservepools into a few concentrated spots which can be captured or destroyed by the enemy while any of the hundreds of tousands of planets can send Billions of soldiers. Droids were just a desperate solution because the CIS was for the most part comprised of industrialists and bankers without any military. Droids were the faster option that creating an entirely new army. However, a biological (non-clone) army is still the best choice if you already have the structures and logistics ready, hence why besides the Republic and CIS every major star wars faction (Old Republic, Sith Empire, Rebel alliance, New Republig, post-Palpatine Empire,...) used biological manpower as their backbone.>able to deploy massive overwhelming numbersSee point above. >overwhelming firepower in literally every possible theater of operationsEven for star wars standards, droids are the least effective fighting force. If the CIS had the capabilities to mass produce their superior models (B2's, BX commando droids and so on) you might be correct, but their bread and butter were outdated and retarded security droids originally meant to fight small pirate gangs, not engange in large-scale military conflicts.
>>651436142nd part:>only lose because plot armorIf the CIS were superior tot he Republic, why did the Sith spent over a tousand years growing their political power to usurp the Republic and guiding them to victory rather than just directly taking over the CIS and rolling over the Republic? The Republic had a much stronger industrial base, population, proper military structures and a superior navy (when the Venators arrived). There is a reason why the major doctrine for the CIS was blocking important hyperlane routes to slowly starve out the Republic instead of directly charging into the core worlds. The CIS was indeed the stronger side initially, but only because the Clone wars started earlier than Palpatine had planned and the Republic was still in the process of building their military. The longer the war went on, the more the CIS fell on their backfoot. If anything, the CIS were the ones who were granted more favours: Without Palpatine's apprentice Dooku the CIS wouldn't even have been able to form anyway because the bankers and industrialists constantly were at each others throat. Furthermore, as already said Palpatine had to make the Republic use a Clone Military because of his own personal goals (brainwashing soldiers to kill the jedi and preventing war fatigue in the home front). If the Republic used normal human soldiers, the Confederate's only advantage, that being numbers, would have been nullified too because the 10.000 Confederates worlds couldn't have outproduced the combined biomass of over a Million Republican Planets.
>>65139100For me, it's Venus. Jetbikes, missiles, helos, and VTOLs out the ass, plus a smattering of futuristic airships since breathable air is also buoyant.
>>65144001Shitty way to die if you fall out of the temperate zone.
>>65144036Reeeeeeal shitty.One of the only upsides to urban / indoor conflict in the setting is that getting shot and bleeding out is far preferable to falling endlessly through cloud-hell for as long as your consciousness takes to give out. Horrific shit.
>>65144197Anon, you wouldn’t even be alive, let alone recognizable, by the time you..or what’s left of you hit. You would implode AND ignite about 800 ft into your fall.
>>65144241That's what I'm saying nigga. Those 800ft would be scary as fuck.It'd almost be worse for anyone who sees someone else fall. Like 'pathological fear of going outside' worse.
>>65143616lol did you even watch episode III?
>>65130605>>65132732Reading up on Battletech dropships really puts into context how valuable those things are. They carry enough firepower to clear their dropzone on their own. The Lee and Overlord classes being prime examples. Even the smaller dropships like the Broadsword that we see in game MW5 are able to do this. Obviously they have to be toned down for gameplay reasons but reading up those absolute cans of rape on Sarna is a real treat.
>>65143522Based Dropzone/Dropfleet enjoyer.It's a damn shame the game is kinda dead.
>>65146030Don’t forget the Fortress, aka “fuck you, my DropShip has artillery”
>>65146030>how valuable those things arebefore the reintroduction of Warships, they were the only spaceships around in common use. a Jumpship of course is essential to interstellar travel, but they were more like a floating jump drive than a real spaceship, especially since it had no guns>They carry enough firepower to clear their dropzone on their ownlol nah not really2 or 3 long-range Assault-class Mechs like say an Awesome and a Stalker will destroy a Union
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>>65128509We'll need a bit more of a context.Fighting inside a solar system with all your infrastructure and the mean to build an orbital ring, will be different from fighting with only a few torchship light-years from even calling for reinforcement.There's also the question of whether you want to take over a planet with life on it, or if you are ok with using a planet sized solar sail to completely ice the ecosystem, melt the surface until their give up, engineer a virus that kill a sentient lifeform (then evolve itself out), or even the good old "replace their leader by a lying robot" sound easier.>>65128542>Is it possible to have an unbalanced technological system where we possess the technology to travel between stars, yet fear re-entering a planet's atmosphere?>>65129168Actually that would be the default.Remember "War of the World"? Smarter than it look like.An alien planet may evolve with a completely different ecosystem that has very little problem eating ours. And if you bring any of it back home you'll destroy your homeworld.As for invading an airless planet or one already terraformed for you, well, planet are ridiculously defensible at short range if you use any (currently) realistic technology.Stealth is essentially impossible, and space attacker are ridiculously limited in propellant.Getting into orbit of a 1G planet mean being in range of any spam of underground laser or missiles, they only have to launch debris on your trajectory (at 0 velocity), and you (at orbital velocity) will be shredded by a storm of anti-tank projectile.To have the beginning of a chance, you'd stop on a geostationary orbit to be far away and only have to worry about one side of the planet. Then you'd send one-way drop pods covered by billions of strike and drones sacrificing themselves to protect them.Unless of course your enemy is just a singular base with one glorified security officer, and you capture it bloodlessly to make a political statement.
>>65130344>>65130345You have to post pic.A shame I don't have any webm.
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>>65130344>>65147156I liked Lucas logic that obviously the commerce conglomerate would be the one that has the most space efficient designs for ships with troop & gear deployment
>>65131895If you control it and they can't without dying, it's yours.
>>65130228I'd not say "low-risk environment" because you are one failure away from a cascade effect that kill everyone or spread debris in the orbits.But doing a CHEAP reentry is rather difficult.Future warfare may be capable of affording far more, allowing to reenter in a powered manner plus a quadruple redundancy.The danger remain what your opponent will do, and being in space don't give you a "comfy high ground" it's more like being helpless in sight of everyone with great difficulty to move in any direction, which will be predictable.
>>65137449>My reality assertion field stops you in a puff of rose-scented logic.Not if he has a reality assertion field negater tho
>>65137570>Mobile suits.Anon, you need to mention that setting involve a magic particle that screw up all sort of detection, including direct visual light, and all you need is a generator that are typically MS sizeAlso I'd temper expectation with machine built by people who have never lived on the surface of a planet
>>65146037Yeah it's a shame. I think the models, lore, and concept are really cool. I haven't really played dropzone but dropfleet's ability to play ground combat is just so cool
>>65137772>>65137805nta, I'll point out that propellant is insanely critical for spaceship.Realistically a spaceship cannot afford to dodge, so you could disable one simply by shooting your laser long enough.
>>65147217>I'd temper expectation with machine built by people who have never lived on the surface of a planetGoodTheir souls are not held down by gravity
>>65139023>Would ground based orbital defences just be a lot of stealthy hypersonic missile?Can't answer that without a setting, knowing the tech level, and what you fight.A rocket cannot be stealthy, even your enemy didn't see it at launch with a passive IR sensor, even with cryogenic everything you'd not be able to hide again the 2nd stage. At orbital speed, you are far, far beyond what we call "hypersonic".With current warfare in mind, - against orbiting target, you'd rather stay away from missiles and use lasers to make less of a mess, avoid triggering a Kessler effect.- as a defense against missiles that will not remain in orbit, then missiles are a good way to deploy a killing blow against something that could resist lasers (too long)
>>65147241And their MIC is not held down by lack of money.
>>65147160I stand by it
>>65147247Even with sci-fi handwavium tech you're still going to get better performance at a lower cost and complexity by launching the anti-orbital missile from high altitude rather than from a ground based set up. Leveraging aerodynamic lift by having a sci-fi C5 Galaxy equivalent carry the missile into the upper atmosphere before firing it lets you cut out the first stage entirely and produce a larger number of missiles for the same cost. It does mean that you increase the warmup time from 'enemy detected' to 'missiles away', but you could keep most of that fleet of missile busses grounded, with a few on a 5 minute scramble, and only escalate to '24/7 global coverage' when you actually need it - assuming that the ship tech of the setting is going to give you more than a few hours warning before the enemy ship enters orbit.
>>65147373I'm not up on my Gundam lorewhose economy was better, the Earth Federation's or the Spacenoids'?
>>65128509>dogs>can do attitude>urge to fondle alien life
>>65149592Feds by orders of magnitude, but if they wanted, the ‘noises could become self sustaining
Why bother with invasion when you can just lock the planet inside a slave shield that keeps the inhabitants confined?
>>65149592The Feds, they started the war at a huge disadvantage, but then went from that, to stalemate, to pushing the zekes off earth, and taking their colonies all in the span of like a month or two. They went from old as fuck tanks, to having the edge in a tech zeon invented in that same time span. They just had that much money to throw into their military and related industries.
>>65128509The drones from 3 body problem.
>>65150279Begone Zhang, no one cares about your shitty book.
>>65147241bandai should either revive the HGM line for big zam and other mobile armors or just make a HG Big Zam,possibly both
Unless you are able / willing to just glass several thousand square km of land to wipe out anti-orbital defenses, I think your best bet would be >stage 1: drop lots of small one-way pods with teams / squads of elite troops tasked with SEAD / DEAD, flood their radar screens with too many pods and decoys for them to deal with>stage 2: once air defense is sufficiently wiped out, BEEG dropships that can carry an entire battalion make more sense than having to deploy a gorillion pelicans / cheyennes that can only deploy a platoon and single vehicles
>>65150755I agree with your conclusion but I think the premise will be differentanti-space weapons are probably a technological dead-end, because their size and prominence will make them the targets of any disabling first-strike by an advancing fleet.But, random small-scale garrison units scattered across the planet's surface will pose a major hazard for large landing craft. Once a big battalion lander touches down, it's just begging to get Davy Crockett'ed or Himars'd by some unnoticed platoon that escaped bombardment. So, small landers will be required to set up dense networks of air and ground defenses in advance of a proper landing.
