>Algeria deploys the Russian-made Kronstadt Orion drone>2500 km range>1500 km range on the Kh-50https://www.military.africa/2026/05/algeria-deployed-the-russian-kronstadt-orion-drone/is Algeria cementing itself as the best airforce in Africa?
the Orion flying in the Algerian sky during a military parade, 2 weeks ago
Didn't the Orion company go bankrupt?
>>65129790>is Algeria cementing itself as the best airforce in Africa?They are going to need it lmao. They have zero control over their southern border (total clusterfuck warzone)
>>65129830Thats currently illegal in Russia.
>>65129790Is this really a good time to be buying Russian?Did they purchase enough spare parts and training for their own contractors to keep them operational?
>>65129790>is Algeria cementing itself as the best airforce in Africa?That's not exactly a high bar to pass anon. Thirdies will always be relegated to having small air forces that can't do anything realistically against a coalition. They can maybe chimp out on a neighbour for 2 months max. Infantry and drones are becoming more important Singapore did the right move by only buying around 8 or so F-35Bs for the radars and diverting funds into the infantry and navy instead. Algeria is making a big mistake relying on a shit hole thats going down in a decade or so.
>>65129830yeah it's not doing well, dunno if the kremlin will let them collapse in the middle of a warhttps://militarnyi.com/en/news/russian-orion-uavs-on-verge-of-bankruptcy/>>65129895>Is this really a good time to be buying Russian?I would say the best time to do so, Russia is desperate for some cash, they'll sell you their best stuff.
>>65129931>they'll sell you their best stuff.Sure, but what about in the future?Will Russia be able to sustain Algeria's use of this system, or will these drones be just a one-off thing?
>>65129937Same way Algerian force sustains its other chinese, turkish, emirati UAVs, Algeria have many foreign systems already: CASIC WJ-700 Falcon — x4.CAIG Wing Loong II — x24.TAI Aksungur — x6 TAI Anka-S — x10Denel Seeker — x10.CASC CH-3 / CH-4 — x5 each, so x10 total.Aisheng ASN-209 — Mass produced localy AVIC AR-500B — Mass produced localyYabhon Flash 20 / El-Djazair-55 Yabhon United 40 / El-Djazaïr 54
>>65129954So no actual sustainment then.
>>65129956All I know is that the Sukhoi (like the Su-30) get maintained locally, same for the Kilo submarines. hey, even the algerian MiG-25 are still flying.
>>65129830How do you go bankrupt when you are currently producing drones as fast as possible?
>>65129981>Algeria has Kilos>lol wut>investigate >its trueWhat do they do with them?
>>65129790>best air force in Africa >It's russhit and chinkshityeah no anon that's just bribery and pretending that's the best Arabs can do anyway
>>65130052They carry Club-S cruise missiles.The Kilos are one way Algeria can close the Gibraltar straight, alongside the CM-302 and other missiles.
>>65130106>The Kilos are one way Algeria can close the Gibraltar straightThis might be a dumb question but why would Algeria want to close the straight?
>>65129790>best airforce in Africa?probably Egypt
>>65130118When it goes to war with Morocco euros are going to get upset. Threatening to close the strait would be one way of keeping them out of it.
>>65130147>Russian-aligned thirdies threatening NATO with a low-end sub from 1980Let's see how this turns out.
>>65129896Egypt, Algeria, and Morroco all have pretty decent airforces. South Africa used to be pretty respectable but has gone downhill and I don't think anyone actually knows the current state of it. Special mention to Ethiopia: They don't have the best stuff currently but they are in the process of buying and have one of the most experienced on the continent.
>>65130147Lol nothing ever happens modern warfare is at it's slowest and punishes thirdies with no capacity to make anything the most. As i said they can chimp out for a month before food and ammo starts being a problem. Everything has become centered around infantry and drones, which most thirdie shits neglect in favor of le big fancy air force thats gonna stop le heckin' nato (which it never does) when the only good way of make a nato coalition bleed is to just hunker down and use drones (nato tactics are still using 10+ dudes in a small radius so it's free kills) https://www.wesodonnell.com/p/ukraine-just-exposed-natos-biggest >>65130078Keep in mind they could've full squadrons of rafales had they not refused them and instead went for mig-29s that unsurprisingly started falling apart after the first flew flights and had to refund them. Don't know what kind of retard still buys from someone who tried to scam you.
>>65129790>is Algeria cementing itself as the best airforce in Africa?you literally just said they were buying Russian, so obviously not
>>65130899Algeria went for the Su-30MKA instead of the Rafale, and considering the Rafale price compared to its performance against the J-10C...going Russian also allowed Algeria to get the Su-35 and Su-57.. When will France get any 5th gen? 2055? >>65130937Morocco relies mostly on F-5 and 20 F-16C/D..
>>65131207>su-57>fifth genPick one.>>65130147>fucking with GibraltarThat sounds like an excellent way for Algeria to become a French colony again.
>>65130147Fucking with Gibraltar would be the dumbest geopolitical move made in the Mediterranean since the last time Algiers picked a fight with the Royal Navy
>>6513120720 F16s have stopped the entire VKS over in Ukraine
>>65131272>20 F16s have stopped the entire VKS overWhat? What do you think they were doing before that they aren't doing now?
>>65130147What a genuinely retarded post. You're watching, in real time, the consequences of fucking with the great powers' core interest (trade). There's a lot of retarded brown spam on this board, so maybe you have been convinced of Iran's totally powerful ability to close the strait, but the reality is that their economy is fucked, their military is fucked, their government is fucked, their oil and trade is fucked, and nobody is coming to help. All they managed to do was raise gas prices a little bit. In what fucking deluded world do you think Algeria of all places is going to do against a rearming Europe, the US, the entire Middle East, and the country they're actively invading? Please go be Muslim on a different board. Your "people's" unrelenting and unearned confidence is nauseating.
>>65131272Pretty sure that the S-300 systems, Patriots and other SAM did that, not some old F16s.
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>>65131207Su-57 isn't gonna do shit for their Air Force in any way except for being a bootleg AWACS. Algeria has more cards than Morocco. If they aligned with the Western Bloc early instead of commie shit holes they would've had an air forces of F-15s, 16s and maybe even a couple F-35s like Singapore if they showed any good will since you know, oil + control of migration wave and terrorism from the sahara + proximity with NATO allies. Literally all Singapore did to get the F-35 was lock up some commies, I genuinely don't understand what kind of retard it takes to align with countries that are going down the shitter. There's China and the U.S right there. And no just because jeets don't know piloting doesn't mean the Rafale is bad. It's better in every way than a MiG or a Su-30. You're also bringing up some retarded shit about closing a strait (that Algeria needs for their imports + their NATO oil and gas buyers need) for some stupid war in the desert. As far as im aware Algeria dealt with Morrocan expansionism and kicked them out to the point they retracted their territorial claims.
>>65131536THey didn't really have a choice. America and Morocco have been TIGHT since nearly the US got independence. If Algeria was going to have confrontation with Morocco (and they were nearly forced to by things outside their control), then they by extension were gonna be on US's short list. It also hurts their western cred when they have such an adversial relationship with France (again, pretty much locken in from the start) who is the other big supplier in the western world.
>>65131536>Su-57 isn't gonna do shit for their Air Force in any way except for being a bootleg AWACSAlgeria likely already ordered a chinese AWACS anyway. America offered its jets instead of the Su-57 but Algeria declined because they would take too long to be delivred, per democrat senator Jeanne Shaheen: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/countering-terrorism-in-north-africa-opportunities-and-challenges Mind you the US approved the $3.8 billion sale of Block 70/72 F-16s in 2019 and they won't get them until 2029.>If they aligned with the Western BlocAlgeria is a non aligned country, and Algeria buys a lot of military hardware for the western/nato bloc, mostly italy, turkey and germany.>I genuinely don't understand what kind of retard it takes to align with countries that are going down the shitter. There's ChinaChina is quickly replacing Russia, Algeria ordered from China in recent years : CH-3, CH-4, CH-5, WJ-700, HJ-12, SY-400, SR-5, PLZ-45/52, SM4, WZ-502G, C28A, Type 056, CM-302/YJ-12B, DWL002 etc. >You're also bringing up some retarded shit about closing a straitdon't blame me, the french military and media has been discussing this: https://www.franceinfo.fr/monde/afrique/algerie/la-capacite-militaire-de-l-algerie-lui-permettrait-de-bloquer-l-acces-au-detroit-de-gibraltar_4977273.html>they retracted their territorial claims.True, the Sand War did put an end of any moroccan expansionism, but there are still tensions, Algeria was ready to start a war over a 2021 incident >"The risk of an unintentional escalation is being taken seriously. Mutual restraint, encouraged by the Americans and Europeans, prevailed after the deaths in November 2021 of three Algerian truck drivers killed in Western Sahara during an airstrike that Algiers blamed on the Moroccan army. But there is no guarantee that a response will not occur at the next incident, from one side or the other. "(Le Monde, 2026)
>>65131557the world did change quit a bit since 1700s, back then America used to pay 40% of its state budget to Algiers as a tribute. It's actually the reason the americans decided to create the US navy.
>>65131588>Sublimé
>>65131588> back then America used to pay 40% of its state budget to Algiers as a tributeIt was more like 15-20%.>It's actually the reason the americans decided to create the US navy.And the Marine Corps.
Entering this thread to say that anyone who advocates for Western Sahara's independence is a dumbass.
>>65131634No Algerian gives a fuck about Western Sahara, it's just a proxy to weaken Morocco.Same way Algeria supports Azawad in Mali, and the anti-Hafter Libyan side.
>>65131536Buying any kind of american hardware is risky, doubly risky as an arab country...>human rights!>sanctions!>israel edge! it's a headache compared to Russia/China, they will sell you their best stuff and only care about the money
>>65132483Russia up until recently had just been collecting money and never shipping anything. Ironically it was then actually delivering Su57s to Algeria that was the signal they were turning this around. And China will absolutely not sell you their best stuff.America is a PIA but it’s not like the other options are much better and you actually know America’s shit it’s gonna work. All that aside, Korea is the one to really keep an eye on; the West doesn’t seem to mind them selling equipment, it’s decent quality, and they’ve been gaining a lot of market share.
>>65132634did you see how America under Trump is treating its own allies in Europe, even fucking Canada? Or the whole Turkey F-35 debacle. America can stop selling you spare parts if you're in bad terms with them.>China will absolutely not sell you their best stuffthe stuff they sell is cheap, but im not sure about the quality.You are right about worst korea, all arab countries are buying from lately, especially their artillery. https://al24news.dz/en/algerias-army-general-received-by-south-koreas-minister-of-defense/
>>65130147I know that you are like those Indonesian guys who seethe about Australia and what ever answer I will get out of you will be rarted, but what do you guys think will happen when you get the French, Italian and Spanish airforces/navies on your ass after a manoeuvre like that? Let alone the American and British coming to defend Morocco/the Straight?
I don't know how we are like two months into this fiasco and people still don't know how to spell "strait"
