Westmoreland is out.You're in.The President is giving you the green light to do everything necessary to neutralize this absolute bitch of a supply route. What are your orders General?
>>65130658Military coup in the US, align politics with military goals so victory is possible.
>>65130658Occupy Northern Vietnam.No trail heads, no trail. >but what about other nation interventionThey already were intervening so whats the difference. You really think USSR will go boots on the ground in Vietnam? If so nice because then they never have the man power to ruin Afghanistan.
>>65130658Seems like someone might be calling the shots in Hanoi. Maybe we should glass it.
>>65130658>What are your orders General?Send one B-52 to drop one bomb in a safe area, write a report the whole thing was destroyed, steak and lobster for everyone and tight vietpoon for me. Oh, and I give myself a silver star like LBJ. The 'war' was never about winning, it was spending money for defense contractors. The report " Report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense Vietnam Task Force" (Pentagon Papers) explained the US could not win a war in vietnam/indochina, yet 58,000 were wasted just for the political lulz until the citizens demonstrated they were no longer willing to be drafted and Walker Cronkite said on tv the war could not be won.
>>65130658>What are your orders General?Second front against North Korea with Nukes, under a reactivated Curtis LeMay. South = holding pattern; body bag bullshit is on MACVSOG to rack up across the Fence (double or triple budget for them). ARVN is geared up to annex Cambodia along late war lines of US air support only. Send Marines to block the Trail out of Khe Sanh and try to bait some Verdun bullshit from NVA. Instead of Rolling Thunder, equivalent tonnage of Opium in small packages with paraphernalia. The Japanese are pressganged into a significant roll in the mainland Korea campaign and Military Intelligence bends over backwards to incorporate Kempeitai in the same manner Paperclip Germans & the Gehlen Network were. Plausibly deniable bioweapons are deployed against Chinese port cities in the South, just because.
>>65130698>If so nice because then they never have the man power to ruin Afghanistan.They never had more than 120,000 in Afghanistan, compared to the 500,000 highpoint in South Vietnam.Outside of pulling everyone out of Europe the US didn't have the numbers to occupy the North as well.
>>65130658nuke china
>>65130658Shutting down the trail directly won't do shit as long as there's some stretch of southeast Asia we agree to not cross over into overtly and if you think the anti-war and 5th column bullshit of the current timeline was bad enough, the manpower logistics of escalating the conflict (without compromising on troop numbers in Europe and elsewhere) in any direction or strategy would have been downright unattainable. So beyond the pipedreams of invading/nuking the gooks and chinks, the only long-term, sustainable solution to the conflict what would allow for a "non-communist Sotuh vietnam"/containment of China/grease the palms of the MIC would be to make sure the South Vietnamese government has an image of legitimacy and ARVN capable of counterinsurgency and fending off the inevitable North Vietnamese invasion without significant US intervention. Funnily enough, at that point if the media didn't run wild after the Tet Offensive and Khe Sahn it would've been a perfect time to go "we finally bled the VC dry and it's just PAVN infiltrators now, congrats everyone!", end the draft, and scale down to advising, training, and arming ARVN while keeping America's combat involvement to strictly maintaining the DMZ and a new Macnamara Line with volunteer forces, as well as MACV-SOG shenanigans. That and easing up on the restrictions for the air war, it's reasonable to not want Re:Korea by crossing the 17th Parallel with land troops, micromanaging the bombing campaign into the ground because your afraid of hurting chinks and ivans already in the country covertly is plain retarded.
>>65130698unironically this. Start bombing the north, start pushing into the north, maybe into Laos and Cambodia.Alternatively just go home and call Michelin in France and tell them the 1930s called and they can just synthesize rubber.
>>65130658If we can run the overall war better the trail's impact will be reduced.>actually hold positions instead of meat waving in men, killing everything there and leaving to let new enemies reoccupy those same strategic positions>give the Southern government an ultimatum, stop being impressively corrupt shitbags their own people hate or we walk and leave them to their fate>all F-4s come with at least one gun pod and will always have it mounted during any combat operations, no arguments>heavily reduce restrictions in the air where sensible and bomb the North way harder>try to get the F-14, F-15, F-16, and A-10 programs moving ahead of schedule enough for them to possibly enter the war>introduce and standardize Picatinny rails and helpful accessories significantly earlier than normal>try to get suppressors on the board earlier and in greater numbers too>board and search or simply sink any non-American vessel caught trying to leave the gulf forcing them to go around Hainan through the Qiongzhou Strait as the only legitimately safe passage out>still bomb known trails but add more focus on tracking VC to their nests>treat Agent Orange like the extremely hazardous carcinogen it is>actually be ready for things like the Tet Offensive instead of getting caught with our pants down>work hard to convince the Cambodians to actually do something about the trails within their borders>spill the beans on how bad communism's future infiltration of American higher education and media will be if nothing is done to stop it>eliminate Jane Fonda making it look like an accident one way or another, preferably before she goes to Vietnam>try to covertly eliminate as many other commie/leftist activists as possible with various mundane seeming methods
>>65130658Just build a wall along the border (and make the South Vietnam pay), with foundation deep enough to prevent tunneling, large enough that you can drive on top, splash 20 meters of concrete by each side to avoid vegetation. Done.Worked for the romans, will work again. The contry is so narrow soldiers can line side by side from one end to the other.>t. not Trump
I'd convince the Chinese that ground op North Vietnamese bones makes dicks work. Job done in 5 years max.
>>65130658I love Vietnam way too much to do anything other than lay down arms and start farming near Hanoi.Awesome country and people, they voted for communism and we hated democracy.
>>65130658nukes, first day on the job.
Can I just leave because the war was retarded.
>>65131111what's your favourite part of vietnam? got any recommendations for a historyfag?
>>65130658>What are your orders General?Pack up our things and leave Vietnam>>65131111>>65131128based
>>65131246NTA; read Dereliction of Duty.
>>65131246For Hanoi the military museum is a must see, B-52 lake is an interesting piece of military history by my absolute favorite are the Temple Of Literature and just chilling in a park with a beer at sunset watching the locals do their thing.I didn't really like Saigon, too modern and westernized for my taste.
>>65130658Step 1: Invade the USSR
>>65130658What year though?
>>65130658cobalt salt
Wouldn't it have been enough to simply carry out airstrikes on the scale of Operation Linebacker by 1967?
Pull out because Chinkland will invade Vietnam. And then use that opportunity to get closer with Vietnam.
>>65130658Pullout. There's literally nothing to be gained by "winning" the war
>>65131631Preserving South Vietnam, imagine if we had another South Korea today
>>65131641>we must have another artificially divided nation because it worked out so well before.Fuck that. A united Vietnam is better than having another Chink Vassal in the region.
>>65131454>didn't really like Saigon>too modernYeah no wonder even the norkies are fleeing en mass to find a job in Saigon despite winning the war.
>>65130658Operation Pocket Money is a lot more important than shutting down the trail. Without Haiphong no SA-2s are coming in. LBJ was a giant cuck and worried about the UK merchant mariners in the port though. Nixon had the correct response of viewing the potential flaming death and mutilation of faggot bongs as an absolute bonus so ordered Richardson to go ahead with it, but there had already been years of attrition to the USAF and to a lesser extent the USN by time he got into office
>>65131715They were never going to be a chink vassal regardless of outcome. Viets hatred for chinks is legendary, ancient and part of their national ethnic mythos. They were always more buttbuddies with the soviets.
>>65130658Westmoreland wanted to attack into Cambodia plenty of times. Especially after the victory at Khe Sanh when he had both the necessary amount of forces gathered in the area and the NVA units in the area badly mauled from the repeated attempts to storm the Marine Combat Base.He always got a NO from the White House though.
>>65130658Mine Haiphong's harbor and burn Hanoi to the ground.
>>65131784ok fenian
>>65130680>Let's scrap the Constitution and turn America into a military dictatorship so we can "win" insignificant wars of choice at extraordinary human costfaggot>>65130698>Lets double the amount of useless jungle we need to police as new trails pop up all along the new lines of contactretard>>65130699>Lets attack a civilian population with nukes and escalate the cold war towards MAD over a colonial rebellion that we inherited from the now uninvolved French in a country we weren't even interested in owning long termfaggot>>65130719>Guaranteed MAD, whole second front involving both DPRK and 70's era nuclear armed PRC, crimes against humanity for funImpressive levels of nihilism and misanthropy. You read a book but got gayer somehow >>65131111Oh my fucking God what an unusually based take for this shithole board.
>>65130705And yet the moment Nixon needed a W they gave the order to hit Hanoi and North Vietnam came to the negotiation table.The Vietnam war was entirely winnable but public opinion and the political mess created by Watergate left South Vietnam shit out of luck. I don't give a fuck what Walker Cronkite said.
>>65130883>all F-4s come with at least one gun podThe majority of Phantom pilots were not sufficiently trained in aerial gunnery to make them worthwhile. Phantoms before the E variant didn't even have a gimbaled/lead computing gunsight.
>>65131111>they voted for communismThey imposed it on South Vietnam, you fucking dipshit.>I love Vietnam and its people, but I would never ever criticize the evil that killed 3 million and displaced millions more due to political persecution and actual threats of genocide against ethnic groups that fought alongside US/RVN forces
>>65132543>implying that Communism wasnt the more culturally compatable system of government especially the rooted, anti-colonialist sentiment leftover from the FrenchThe south was a corrupt puppet being used as a proxy, anyone who unironically supported them were seen as dogs leashed to foreign masters. There is a reason Hanoi won and people keep forgetting why.
>>65132528Almost no Navy Phantoms had a gun at any point during the war and they had a radically better KDR than the gun-equipped USAF F-4s. The gun thing is a boomer myth
>>65130658Total extermination of all human life in and around the trail.
>>65132570It's not so simple, it's true that there were a lot of shitty things about the way South Vietnam was run, but to claim there was no genuine desire to build a country free from communism is untrue and unfair to the people that gave their lives for it.
>>65132528Better than nothing but your limp dick when the missiles run out. Depending on when I get put in command that's still a day one change. Upgrade the older models where possible and under a reasonable schedule, load the pod with spicy tracers, do some basic training, and tell them "this is for emergencies or strafing". Point is I want my guys to not be out of options after the last sparrow or sidewinder leaves the rail. Once the missiles run out your only defenses shouldn't be GOTTA GO FAST, fancy flying while frantically popping countermeasures, or hoping your wingman isn't also engaged or empty and can wipe your ass.>>65132572Could just be that they had better rules for engagements and their escape/return route was out to sea potentially reducing time in enemy airspace. Part of the issue was the missiles themselves. Storage conditions on land versus on the carrier are undoubtedly different. I remember a Dogfights episode went over reliability issues with sparrows and how they dealt with it (ripple firing).Here's an official playlist of the entire Dogfights series with full episodes btw:https://www.youtube.com/show/VLPLob1mZcVWOaiQyIGLr2HAuCaY3SP-cHcL?sbp=KgtXcGJzS3Y0c3E1RUABEnjoy some actual good History Channel content from their golden age. Their Youtube is awesome and full of playlists like this. If you never got to see their stuff before Ancient Aliens, Skinwalker Ranch, American god damn fucking Pickers, and other worthless slop took over it's absolutely worth your time to just binge all the old military docs and series.
>>65130658I will kill every living thing to the microbe from the DMZ North and leave a desert if they do not surrender. I won't even fight more thn it takes to control the strip of land I am processing into nothing, probably a one mile band at a time. It will move north like a progress bar until my word is law.EVERY LIVING THING.
>>65131062They actually did do that, they spent billions on it, and it didn’t help at all.>>65132466Fag>>65130658Use agent blue en masse in the north and southern VC controlled regions. The food situation for Charlie was always stretched thin, in fact the moment they took over the south in 75, there was a major famine. A disruption of their food supply would hamper all Northern operations. They would likely be forced into raiding southern villages, effectively turning the rural population against the movement and forcing them to gather into larger communities as the US and South had pushed for most of the war. All you have to do is supply the loyal southerners with food to prevent famine, and hold, which will likely be far easier as with no food the trail will dry up. Bomb and raid known caches of food and weapons, protect your caches, and within a few months the North will either come to the table or the people will overthrow them. One potential complication is foreign aid, from the commies and from cucks like Sweden, you would have to bomb infrastructure to prevent the collection and distribution of food.
>>65132672I mean if it gives the aircrew a warm fuzzy and it can be mounted in the empennage instead of the cuck pod, sure Whatever but it's not really important. Duke, Willy Irish, and Showtime 100 had precisely zero difficulty nonconsensually buttfucking cannon armed twink Mig 17 and Mig 21s like underage subic bay hookers using only missiles. It was literally just a skill issue for the airforce. I mean aside from the USAF even at that time being the dedicated DoD treatment facility for the chronically cucked and cum addicted just as it still is today, the USAF brass was fucking retarded, likely due to brain injuries suffered from auto erotic asphyxiation they engaged in while watching naval aviator BVLLS breed their wives at Tailhook while the scarf wearers tugged their micro dicks with tweezers. In ACC at that time you were expected to rotate to a new airframe type between every tour so even if the Naval Aviator and the Air Force pilot had the same total time, say like 1200 hours, the Navy guy would have 900 hours in the Phantom and the air force faggot would have 300 in 4 various types. Plus the Navy, not being retarded, actually put the MigCap directly over the ingressing alpha strike while the USAF would set their MigCap in the middle of the country and have to go into burner and hope to reach the thud strike package before another few F-105 queers got bukkaked by gook 23mm and received a major promotion from air force officer to designated Hanoi Hilton Gloryhole Technician. The really difficult part was getting them to agree to leave that post after the war was over.
>>65132799You type like a really sane person whose opinion on military strategy I should take really seriously; I hope you know that.
>>65132799You could go to /y/ right now, look for a thread titled "Gayest shit you can possibly imagine", and still have trouble finding a gayer post than yours. Holy fuck dude...If I'm reading this clusterfuck of a post right it really does just sound like the Navy simply ran a better game overall.
>>65130729SAY IT. SAY IT.
>>65131111>they voted for communismum...
>>65130658Land defence and naval offence. Goal: train locals enough to establish permanent defence and figure out manageable cost for the buffer zone. Messaging back home is a historic optics lesson. No comment.
>>65132880>Civil Air Patrol mouthbreather who likes hovering around kids and whose BMI can only be measured with specialized NASA instruments thinks I give a fuck about his objections with historical realityTime to do your loved ones a favor and suck start a shotgun so they don't have to explain to their friends what a useless fuckup you are>>65132885>ChairForce faggot knows exactly where to find the gayest possible contentWow I'm so shocked and surprised right now>Navy ran a tighter gameKind of. It's more the ACC was the poverty child inside the USAF at the time behind SAC. So they got the lower quality guys out of flight school, had generally worse leadership, and their stan eval / development groups were pretty small compared to SAC. The Navy didn't have any kind of split like that inside NAVAIR so it was all tactically focused, all the time, and had been since Eugene Ely so it was like generational across 4 wars at that point. You see that in airframes (F-4, A-6, A-7, first and last of which the USAF adopted despite their design tradeoffs for carrier operations) and weapons (Sparrow and Sidewinder both came out of Point Mugu, were Navy programs) where the USAF was doing retarded shit like genie and falcon because they assumed any war would go nuclear immediately. The ironic part being the USAAC (which had many guys rolled over into the USAF like Olds etc) had adopted a Navy style fighter sweep / alpha strike / big blue blanket approach to focusing on tactical interdiction over strategic bombing after ADM King had laughed at all the faggot corpse containment capsules returning stateside after Operation Argument / "The Big Week" and this approach pretty much immediately destroyed the Luftwaffe then they all agreed to never to do that again and stay gay and retarded until 1991, when they would drop the retardation and focus more on being gay.
>>65132543>I would never ever criticize the evil that killed 3 million and displaced millions more due to political persecution and actual threats of genocideAmerica?
>>65132943You type like a fag.
>>65132466he said "do everything necessary to stop their supply chain" not "debate over the most morally correct way to win the war"
>>65133169You live like a failed homosexual who tries (and fails) to rape stray street cats.
>>65133392Sure, but I was also pointing out that expanding the conflict into new fronts, drawing in new belligerents, and triggering a nuclear exchange aren't solutions.Dead-end lost cause Vietnam shit is universally retarded, because the conflict was retarded. Expanding it? Extra retarded. We won when we left.
