What sidearm would you choose as a hardboiled 1920's detective?
>>651327831911
>>65132788/thread
like >>65132788 said, 1911besides that though, i'd have a sawn-off ithaca with a stubby stockits relatively easy to conceal, carries enough to be used in a fight, and you definitely don't wanna get hit by itif theres one thing you know, whoever you're trying to get into cuffs ain't going in easy, nor are his friends gonna let it happen either
>>65132821>ithaca*Remington Model 17forgot about the "20's" part
>>65132783S&W Model 10. Or a Colt M1903 pocket hammerless.
>>65132783Colt Government Model in 38 Super. 9 shots with more velocity and performance than most handguns of the time, good ergonomics and a natural point shooter. If I needed something smaller then a Colt Police Positive or Detective Special in .38 Special would do the job.For a shotgun Stevens 520. They were dirt cheap, well made, slamfire capable and easy to take down to stash in a briefcase. Since this was pre-NFA I could legally cut the barrel down to the end of the magazine tube.I don't really see a situation where I'd be using a rifle, but a takedown Savage 99 in .300sav or .250-3000 would be nice. Accurate, smooth firing, good caliber and compact.
Walther PP or 1911Also, a Browning Auto 5
>>65132783Sawed-off BAR
>>65132783C96.
>>65132944No Cultist, Cheeselegger, or BMP thug is safe.
>>65132783nickel plated cut down police positive
Always thought these ugly things were cool. I imagine the 1920s were about when you could pick up a surplus one for cheap.
>>65132783>File: Private-Detective-Hardboiled>1920's[sic]pic is from 1940s
>>65132783there's only one choice
>>65133009You really wouldn't want to though. That oversized trigger is so that you can use both your index and middle fingers collectively to pull the trigger because it's that heavy and gritty.
>>65133013Au contraire, there were many viable choices. The Detective Special was only the most iconic.
>>65132788This or a Model 10Those would do me good until we would get Hi Powers and .357 revolvers in the 40s and 50s, and then moving on to wonder nines and .40 guns in the 80s and 90s
>>65133012replace the fedora with a homburg, slim up the coat a bit, bam 1920s
>>65133015Realistically id be shooting 15 cent per box of 100 rounds army surplus ammo too, so the heavy hammer spring may be necessary
>>65132830>>65133022Model 10 wouldn't be a thing for another 3 decades
>Model 10>model 10erm actually it was called the Military and Police or Hand Ejector until 1957
>>65133037I know what I said
>>65132830>Colt M1903Cool one
>>65133009That's such a freaky gun, like the bastard child of a bastard child (the lightning). I'm just saying DA/SA on a gate loader just feels wrong, the only gun where it's okay is on the M1895 Nagant
>>65132788This.
>>65132783>I'm doing normal detective things.38 Special 1905 Hand Ejector.>I'm in a dangerous area/revenue agent/whateverColt Government Model>I'm actually expecting to get into a gunfightBrowning Auto 5/Remington M11 kept in the trunk of my car
>>65132891>Since this was pre-NFA I could legally cut the barrel down to the end of the magazine tube.even if it wasn't, you'd probably be exempt from it being a peace officer.
>>65133136I think I used the wrong picture for the hand ejector. I might also use a 32-20 loaded to rifle spec.
>>65133138Not as a private detective, or a member of a national detective agency (who effectively operated as PMCs).I highly recommend giving this a read. Detective work in the US during the tail end of the wild west and through the gilded age was absolutely nuts and it was virtually all private sector.In any case there were few if any gun laws other than local ordnances at the time. Certainly no federal laws.
>>65133136I hope you cut that barrel down on that A5, gumshoe!
>>65132788This, with a Tommy gun in the trunk of my car so they can share ammo.
>>65132783Vest pocket
Colt Model 1911Browning Auto-5M1918 Browning automatic rifle
>>65133197Was it more exciting than what it is now(taking pictures of husbands and wives cheating on each other)?
The Colt Model 1903.
>>65132783fritz specialor a 1911 chambered in .38 super and modified for automatic fire
>>65133330Yes, but it could be morally dubious.>Get sent to infiltrate local labor union.>Supposedly a terror organization that's been extorting workers, sabotaging equipment and killing members of management.>Find that no, they actually are just a labor union trying to organize so that they can get paid in actual money and have working conditions that aren't a total deathtrap.>Write report.>Get reassigned as if you did something wrong.>Next guy writes a report that they're all bloodthirsty killers and a bunch of them get arrested and hanged.>You know damned well it's nonsense and they were innocent, but the owner of the mine/factory gets to keep making his high profits.The book does cover some wild situations where the labor unions were just a front for violent thugs, but detective agencies were used to harass, beat up and even kill workers who didn't actually break any laws or hurt anyone. Baldwin-Feltz had far less scruples for jobs like that than Pinkerton, but historically both did it. Even Charles had mixed feelings about testifying against some of the men who would be executed as a result of his work.This was a very tumultuous time in American history that could have turned out a lot of different ways. Political violence was rampant and the idea of a communist revolution or anarchism wasn't off the table. Private national detective agencies were very much at the cutting edge of combatting those threats.For further reading look into the Matewan Massacre, the Battle of Blair Mountain and and Pinkerton's Great Detective (about James McParland).
Ye olde sawn-off side by side shotgun (in 12 gauge obviously, no room for half measures). Very few problems can't be solved by liberal application of double ought buckshot.
>>65132912This can double as a flamethrower in CQB.
Based thread. Definitely a .38 or 1911 for social work. Browning A5 cut down in the trunk. On a related note: Sam Bronfman and his legacy is a wild one. His dynasty later propped up Jimmy Buffet, aka Melanoma-core Boomer slop.
>>65132783Savage 1907 .32 or American eagle luger.Colt vest pocket BUG/holdoutRemington model 8 in .25 rem with special order police supply magazines for the long arm.You better believe I'm saving my victory dimes for a Thompson or a BAR monitor though, maybe a surplus MP18
>>65132783Not pictured: a beige Model A sedan.
obviously
>>65133374Poor kid :(
>>65132783Reposting from last time I was in a detective thread>In this line of work you rack up a lot of problems, you rack up a lot of enemies. My secretary is on the Abwehr payroll, my dame is a NKVD plant and my ex-wife is snitching to the IRS. On top of that I’ve got some crank with a ray gun claiming to be Ramseses the third upset that I stuck it to his werewolf misses (I didn’t know the broad was a werewolf I just thought she was Armenian), I don’t know where those Jew bastards fit into all of this but I know that they are waiting in the wings. It doesn’t matter, I got a loaded MP-18, fifty barrels of hooch and a Jap broad that’s just put the mother of all cases on my desk
S&W .38 snub nose.
>>65132783A magnum of Glenmorangie or Glengoyne
>>65132788This. And a Colt Monitor in the trunk.
>>65133036>previously known as the Smith & Wesson .38 Hand Ejector Model of 1899Anon this is why it’s important to read more and speak less.
>>65133197>celebrating the lives of actual fucking PinkertonsAnon ask me how I know you like it from both ends, and that you always pay your taxes on time and think of the govt as Daddy.
>>65132825You mean a model 10?
Iver Johnson top break revolver in 32 ACP or a Colt 1903Anyone saying 1911 or SAA is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were), muh stoppin powwah muh saad ayoob were not things the average gun owner cared much or thought about back then
>>65134280What did they care for and think about then?
>>65134464Moonshine and pretty dames
>>65132788
>>65134280>Anyone saying 1911 or SAA is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were), muh stoppin powwah muh saad ayoob were not things the average gun owner cared much or thought about back thenOkay, but I care about those things and that was the point of the thread. If you're going by "what would a normal 1920s peace officer have" it would be either a Hand-Ejector or Police Positive in .32-20, .38 S&W, or .38 Special 99% of the time.There were also outliers in what people carried. Elmer Keith wrote about a police officer he knew that carried a .44 caliber Merwin Hulbert. People did, especially in the west, carry SAA revolvers in the '20s, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to carry a commercial 1911 either.
>>65134630It's a bit later (early '30s), but take this image for example - The guy on the far left has a Luger.
>>65134639The date was a little later, but here's the citation from Sixguns too
>>65132788correct as usual, fpbp
>>65133374i hate that for him. that sucks. :c
>>65134280>Iver Johnson top break>in 32 ACPWho is living in fantasy land?
One of these probably
>>65132783
>>65132783A cheap H&R revolver.
>>65132788Specifically the one I brought home from the war.
This thread, looking into delta green/the innsmouth raid, and Woodrow Wilson's military expeditions in South America, all got me thinking what kinds of gear and tacticool stuff would an 'operator' in the 1920's be using?
>>65135188early bulletproof vests typically made of tightly woven silk, cloth padding and sometimes metal plates were around>Testing bulletproof vest, 9/13/23>W.H. Murphy (left) of the Protective Garment Corporation demonstrating his wares to a Maryland sheriff department
>>65134280>Anyone saying 1911 [...] is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were)Ah yes, I'm sure that no WWI veterans who were intimately familiar with and possibly owned a 1911 ever became PIs or Pinkertons in the 20s and 30s. That never happened and the Pinkertons certainly didn't specifically recruit veterans.
>>65135188>what kinds of gear and tacticool stuff would an 'operator' in the 1920's be using?The cream of the crop from WWI and shortly after, honestly. Monitors and/or Madsens, 1911s, MP18s and/or Thompsons, M1919s, 1897s and A5s, T-Gewehrs, prototype body armor, armored cars, etc. Of course, there's also the spicier stuff like chemical weapons, flamethrowers and monocoque air support.Pretty neat to imagine a bunch of spooks in full armor and chemical protection sheltering behind a ring of armored Packards with BARs and flamethrowers, watching a flare-lit house as two unseen airstrikes drop one load of bombs to remove the house and crack open the cellar and another one of mustard gas to shake up the hive.
Primary and secondary
No question
>>65132783Erfurt m1879, I think a good detective should just use whatever and focus on detecting stuff so whatever is under his German grandfathers bed will do.
>>65135435I think this is the worst centerfire repeating handgun you could have chosen, congrats.
>>65132783>Browning Auto 5 cut down>Snub Webley–Fosbery>>65133390>or American eagle luger.Navy Luger.gang
>>65132783Probably not the smartest choice but the lines are sex. 9mm Largo is neat, assuming I can get it shipped over.
>>65135164What's wrong with your face Phelps?
>>65133374At least it wasnt bbq sauce. Some kid dropped a tub of that shit next to the cut table 15 min before we were closing shop.
>>65133780i guess, i'm not a big shotgun guythe Model 17 was made from 1921 to 1941, so i just gone with that in the end
>>65134639Gott dang it would be kickass to be a pig or mailman back then
>>65135260People really didn't give a fuck back then did they?
>>65132783Sawn off BAR.
>>65137556The concept of safety hadn't been invented yet.Everyone was all hopped-up on cocaine-laced soda, and unapologetic hardcore racism.Things didn't start going downhill until a few years later when they started adding lead to gasoline, giving brain-damage to entire generations of people and turning them into violent retards that couldn't be trusted.
>>65132783Savage 1907 32acp, stiletto, blackjack, pack of camels, hip flask
any j frame metal revolver because it gives you good leverage to use as a blunt object in case of a self defense situation
>>65137785>cocaine and unapologetic hardcore racismSounds like a great time!
>>65133764>Formerly Chuck's Fuck and Suck
>>65133761Calvin and Hobbes will never be surpassed.
>>65132783Main Sidearm:Whatever I used in The WarMain Arm:Winchester 1907 with some frenchie mags Backup:38 Snub, colt of course
>>65132944that thing is gigantic desu not really suitable for detective work, unless you know you're headed into trouble
>>65138111half this thread is guys thinking they need a Colt BAR to stake out someone's cheating wife
>>65133768The same person wrote one of the first books on cowboy life from his personal experience and had a career as a technical advisor for all of the early western films. So your understanding of what a "cowboy" is and what the "wild west" was largely originated from the same person.But of course you didn't know that.
>>65132783Either a S&W M&P .38 revolver or a Luger P08.
>>65133768Youtype like a fag, so without even knowing what the anon you responded to said; You are wrong.Also if you are complaining about Pinkertons in 2026 you are probably weak commie trash.
Man, I really need to read Unrepentant Sinner someday
>>65132830I would take a Model 10, and probably another 2" Model 10 as backup if going into something spicy. The 1911 is the reason why the "Six for sure" saying exists, and I'm not sure if I would trust even a 1903 with the issue of ammo reliability and consistency.
>>65132783Probably a 38 revolver because a colt 1911 was expensive as fuck back then and only the bank robbers like John Dillinger had modified super 38 1911s to be machine pistols with Thompson furniture fitted
>>65133768You know Pinkertons now most famously just hassle fat man children thag get magic the gathering cards before street date?
>>651327833" 32 S&W long revolver, Kodak folding pocket camera, notepad, pen and pencil. Condoms for my 8" dick so I can pump info from the secretarial pool at the paper and phone company. Also any wives that want revenge sex.
>>65132783Glock 19
>>65138154You stick a BAR in some dames face and tell me that broad aint gonna think twice about kissin the milk man's johnson
>>65138154>doesn't EDC an annihilatorwe'll see who's laughing when the Tong thugs come a 'knockin
>>65133374That fatso didn't deserve to lose his lunch like that :-(
>>65133407>Insmouth>eating fishYou are not going to make it, fishface.
>>65133374epic eye-hand coordination and spatial awareness
>>65138092>>65134697>>65133761sometimes I worry every single one of you guys got dogshit taste, but then some of you surprise me. Very cool.
>>65133761>I've got eight slugs in me. >One's lead>The rest are Bourbon.
>>65132788*failure to feed*what now detective?*shoots you with a .32 revolver*
>>65139090>Doesn't know how to clear a jam.
>>65132783anything hammerless.
>>65132788checked
>>65139157>Pulls out mag>racks slide>reinserts ma-*BANG* *BANG* *BANG*Lets face the facts, chump. This is 1920. The 1911 isn't reliable yet.
For normal PI work I'd just carry a Colt 1903 Hammerless.If things went full HP Lovecraft, I'd pull a BAR and Auto-9.
>>65132783Did any MP-18s get exported after the war and how small can I cut one down?
>>65132783https://youtu.be/YYHxOdqepl8?si=Rk8Lx2NoewW4XnMoAlso anything from here https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Boardwalk_Empire
>>65132783depending on where i set up and what was available, probably either a Luger, A c96 broomhandle, a .38 special revolver, an Old revolver from a gunshop, or a FN pocket hammerless. If I could get my hands on a 1911 i would, though i don't know if they were selling the 1911 commercially then or not. either way, most likely not affording the pricetag of one on a PI paystub, toots.
>>65135360basically my BF1 loadout right there>>65132891.38 super in the 20's was a definitive unfair advantage, this is the correct answer.also good choice for shotgun.But really, what are you doing if you don't have a tommy gun in the trunk? Gotta save it for the climactic gunfight at the end of a tough case where you mow down the whole rats nest of mustache twirling gangsters in one fell swoop.
>>65149026Thompsons might actually be out of the budget of anything but the most successful private eyes. They were something like 350 in 1933, and that wasn't exactly small potatoes when you adjust for inflation.
>>65132783Steyr Repetierpistole, for when everyone in the room has to die
>>65149026Well this is the 1920s. Not 1933. A decade makes a difference.
>>65149251meant for >>65149039
>>65132783/k/ is so fucking boring and lacking in creativity sometimes. As a hard boiled detective in the 1920s, and as a veteran of WW1 moved from Montreal to New York I would be packing my trusty trench mace, cracker of a thousand hun skulls. Some of them even before they surrendered.
>>65132783I live in a tiny apartment. It has a bed. If I want to heat the place or cook something I'll start a fire in the little pot bellied stove. The toilets and shower are communal, down at the end of the hall. Is it about half a step removed from a flop house? Yup, but the neighbors are decent enough, just poor folk trying to make their way through life. More importantly, it's cheap, like almost everything in my life. I live off cigarettes and coffee. I only drink to dull the pain. Which means all the time. The hooch comes in old glass gallon jugs that used to be full of milk. Ole Farmer Johnson found something more profitable to do than just farming and he's been grateful ever since I saved his daughter from the slant eyed bastards that were trying to separate him from his land and his business. I get it at cost and he gets a heads up if I see the tax boys sniffing around town.The only expensive things in my life are my tools. My car. My guns. My camera.The Model A isn't anything special. It's like the thousands of others just like it. Which is fine. Nothing to notice. But it's reliable, and I make sure it stays happy.The guns are a necessity. Not just because of my line of work. Because that's the reality of this place these days. Gook bastards trying to move in on Mafia business. Mafia vs Mafia. It's still the wild west out here, just who the cowboys and Indians are have changed. I carry a 1911 in a shoulder holster. A 1905 in an ankle holster. A Smith 1917 tucked into the small of my back. A Colt snub 38 in the pocket of my coat. An 1897 cut down so the barrel is no longer than the tube lives in the back of the Model A next to the Tommy. The camera is brand new, out of Germany. I know a guy that knows a guy that develops the film. Cops don't have to believe me when photos don't lie.Somebody once told me I should live a better life, do more with my skills and contacts. What's better than saving somebody like Johnson's daughter?
>>65132891> Stevens 520Had to look that up. Very nice. Little stow away surprise for later.
>>65150059So it's a take-down shotgun, like the one in Bullitt, but it's also slam-fire, so you can hold the trigger down and fire it with the pump like a WW1 trench-sweeper? I'm sold.
