What sidearm would you choose as a hardboiled 1920's detective?
>>651327831911
>>65132788/thread
like >>65132788 said, 1911besides that though, i'd have a sawn-off ithaca with a stubby stockits relatively easy to conceal, carries enough to be used in a fight, and you definitely don't wanna get hit by itif theres one thing you know, whoever you're trying to get into cuffs ain't going in easy, nor are his friends gonna let it happen either
>>65132821>ithaca*Remington Model 17forgot about the "20's" part
>>65132783S&W Model 10. Or a Colt M1903 pocket hammerless.
>>65132783Colt Government Model in 38 Super. 9 shots with more velocity and performance than most handguns of the time, good ergonomics and a natural point shooter. If I needed something smaller then a Colt Police Positive or Detective Special in .38 Special would do the job.For a shotgun Stevens 520. They were dirt cheap, well made, slamfire capable and easy to take down to stash in a briefcase. Since this was pre-NFA I could legally cut the barrel down to the end of the magazine tube.I don't really see a situation where I'd be using a rifle, but a takedown Savage 99 in .300sav or .250-3000 would be nice. Accurate, smooth firing, good caliber and compact.
Walther PP or 1911Also, a Browning Auto 5
>>65132783Sawed-off BAR
>>65132783C96.
>>65132944No Cultist, Cheeselegger, or BMP thug is safe.
>>65132783nickel plated cut down police positive
Always thought these ugly things were cool. I imagine the 1920s were about when you could pick up a surplus one for cheap.
>>65132783>File: Private-Detective-Hardboiled>1920's[sic]pic is from 1940s
>>65132783there's only one choice
>>65133009You really wouldn't want to though. That oversized trigger is so that you can use both your index and middle fingers collectively to pull the trigger because it's that heavy and gritty.
>>65133013Au contraire, there were many viable choices. The Detective Special was only the most iconic.
>>65132788This or a Model 10Those would do me good until we would get Hi Powers and .357 revolvers in the 40s and 50s, and then moving on to wonder nines and .40 guns in the 80s and 90s
>>65133012replace the fedora with a homburg, slim up the coat a bit, bam 1920s
>>65133015Realistically id be shooting 15 cent per box of 100 rounds army surplus ammo too, so the heavy hammer spring may be necessary
>>65132830>>65133022Model 10 wouldn't be a thing for another 3 decades
>Model 10>model 10erm actually it was called the Military and Police or Hand Ejector until 1957
>>65133037I know what I said
>>65132830>Colt M1903Cool one
>>65133009That's such a freaky gun, like the bastard child of a bastard child (the lightning). I'm just saying DA/SA on a gate loader just feels wrong, the only gun where it's okay is on the M1895 Nagant
>>65132788This.
>>65132783>I'm doing normal detective things.38 Special 1905 Hand Ejector.>I'm in a dangerous area/revenue agent/whateverColt Government Model>I'm actually expecting to get into a gunfightBrowning Auto 5/Remington M11 kept in the trunk of my car
>>65132891>Since this was pre-NFA I could legally cut the barrel down to the end of the magazine tube.even if it wasn't, you'd probably be exempt from it being a peace officer.
>>65133136I think I used the wrong picture for the hand ejector. I might also use a 32-20 loaded to rifle spec.
>>65133138Not as a private detective, or a member of a national detective agency (who effectively operated as PMCs).I highly recommend giving this a read. Detective work in the US during the tail end of the wild west and through the gilded age was absolutely nuts and it was virtually all private sector.In any case there were few if any gun laws other than local ordnances at the time. Certainly no federal laws.
>>65133136I hope you cut that barrel down on that A5, gumshoe!
>>65132788This, with a Tommy gun in the trunk of my car so they can share ammo.
>>65132783Vest pocket
Colt Model 1911Browning Auto-5M1918 Browning automatic rifle
>>65133197Was it more exciting than what it is now(taking pictures of husbands and wives cheating on each other)?
The Colt Model 1903.
>>65132783fritz specialor a 1911 chambered in .38 super and modified for automatic fire
>>65133330Yes, but it could be morally dubious.>Get sent to infiltrate local labor union.>Supposedly a terror organization that's been extorting workers, sabotaging equipment and killing members of management.>Find that no, they actually are just a labor union trying to organize so that they can get paid in actual money and have working conditions that aren't a total deathtrap.>Write report.>Get reassigned as if you did something wrong.>Next guy writes a report that they're all bloodthirsty killers and a bunch of them get arrested and hanged.>You know damned well it's nonsense and they were innocent, but the owner of the mine/factory gets to keep making his high profits.The book does cover some wild situations where the labor unions were just a front for violent thugs, but detective agencies were used to harass, beat up and even kill workers who didn't actually break any laws or hurt anyone. Baldwin-Feltz had far less scruples for jobs like that than Pinkerton, but historically both did it. Even Charles had mixed feelings about testifying against some of the men who would be executed as a result of his work.This was a very tumultuous time in American history that could have turned out a lot of different ways. Political violence was rampant and the idea of a communist revolution or anarchism wasn't off the table. Private national detective agencies were very much at the cutting edge of combatting those threats.For further reading look into the Matewan Massacre, the Battle of Blair Mountain and and Pinkerton's Great Detective (about James McParland).
Ye olde sawn-off side by side shotgun (in 12 gauge obviously, no room for half measures). Very few problems can't be solved by liberal application of double ought buckshot.
>>65132912This can double as a flamethrower in CQB.
Based thread. Definitely a .38 or 1911 for social work. Browning A5 cut down in the trunk. On a related note: Sam Bronfman and his legacy is a wild one. His dynasty later propped up Jimmy Buffet, aka Melanoma-core Boomer slop.
>>65132783Savage 1907 .32 or American eagle luger.Colt vest pocket BUG/holdoutRemington model 8 in .25 rem with special order police supply magazines for the long arm.You better believe I'm saving my victory dimes for a Thompson or a BAR monitor though, maybe a surplus MP18
>>65132783Not pictured: a beige Model A sedan.
obviously
>>65133374Poor kid :(
>>65132783Reposting from last time I was in a detective thread>In this line of work you rack up a lot of problems, you rack up a lot of enemies. My secretary is on the Abwehr payroll, my dame is a NKVD plant and my ex-wife is snitching to the IRS. On top of that I’ve got some crank with a ray gun claiming to be Ramseses the third upset that I stuck it to his werewolf misses (I didn’t know the broad was a werewolf I just thought she was Armenian), I don’t know where those Jew bastards fit into all of this but I know that they are waiting in the wings. It doesn’t matter, I got a loaded MP-18, fifty barrels of hooch and a Jap broad that’s just put the mother of all cases on my desk
S&W .38 snub nose.
>>65132783A magnum of Glenmorangie or Glengoyne
>>65132788This. And a Colt Monitor in the trunk.
>>65133036>previously known as the Smith & Wesson .38 Hand Ejector Model of 1899Anon this is why it’s important to read more and speak less.
>>65133197>celebrating the lives of actual fucking PinkertonsAnon ask me how I know you like it from both ends, and that you always pay your taxes on time and think of the govt as Daddy.
>>65132825You mean a model 10?
Iver Johnson top break revolver in 32 ACP or a Colt 1903Anyone saying 1911 or SAA is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were), muh stoppin powwah muh saad ayoob were not things the average gun owner cared much or thought about back then
>>65134280What did they care for and think about then?
>>65134464Moonshine and pretty dames
>>65132788
>>65134280>Anyone saying 1911 or SAA is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were), muh stoppin powwah muh saad ayoob were not things the average gun owner cared much or thought about back thenOkay, but I care about those things and that was the point of the thread. If you're going by "what would a normal 1920s peace officer have" it would be either a Hand-Ejector or Police Positive in .32-20, .38 S&W, or .38 Special 99% of the time.There were also outliers in what people carried. Elmer Keith wrote about a police officer he knew that carried a .44 caliber Merwin Hulbert. People did, especially in the west, carry SAA revolvers in the '20s, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to carry a commercial 1911 either.
>>65134630It's a bit later (early '30s), but take this image for example - The guy on the far left has a Luger.
>>65134639The date was a little later, but here's the citation from Sixguns too
>>65132788correct as usual, fpbp
>>65133374i hate that for him. that sucks. :c
>>65134280>Iver Johnson top break>in 32 ACPWho is living in fantasy land?
One of these probably
>>65132783
>>65132783A cheap H&R revolver.
>>65132788Specifically the one I brought home from the war.
This thread, looking into delta green/the innsmouth raid, and Woodrow Wilson's military expeditions in South America, all got me thinking what kinds of gear and tacticool stuff would an 'operator' in the 1920's be using?
>>65135188early bulletproof vests typically made of tightly woven silk, cloth padding and sometimes metal plates were around>Testing bulletproof vest, 9/13/23>W.H. Murphy (left) of the Protective Garment Corporation demonstrating his wares to a Maryland sheriff department
>>65134280>Anyone saying 1911 [...] is living in fantasy land (permissible for a detective novel but it's not how things were)Ah yes, I'm sure that no WWI veterans who were intimately familiar with and possibly owned a 1911 ever became PIs or Pinkertons in the 20s and 30s. That never happened and the Pinkertons certainly didn't specifically recruit veterans.
>>65135188>what kinds of gear and tacticool stuff would an 'operator' in the 1920's be using?The cream of the crop from WWI and shortly after, honestly. Monitors and/or Madsens, 1911s, MP18s and/or Thompsons, M1919s, 1897s and A5s, T-Gewehrs, prototype body armor, armored cars, etc. Of course, there's also the spicier stuff like chemical weapons, flamethrowers and monocoque air support.Pretty neat to imagine a bunch of spooks in full armor and chemical protection sheltering behind a ring of armored Packards with BARs and flamethrowers, watching a flare-lit house as two unseen airstrikes drop one load of bombs to remove the house and crack open the cellar and another one of mustard gas to shake up the hive.
Primary and secondary
No question
>>65132783Erfurt m1879, I think a good detective should just use whatever and focus on detecting stuff so whatever is under his German grandfathers bed will do.
>>65135435I think this is the worst centerfire repeating handgun you could have chosen, congrats.
>>65132783>Browning Auto 5 cut down>Snub Webley–Fosbery>>65133390>or American eagle luger.Navy Luger.gang
>>65132783Probably not the smartest choice but the lines are sex. 9mm Largo is neat, assuming I can get it shipped over.
>>65135164What's wrong with your face Phelps?
