You see motorcycle/hoverbike cavalry in sci-fi fiction all the time, why was motorcycle infantry never a thing in real life in any war ever?
>>65135569Probably because they would eat shit It's hard enough to stay upright on a dirt bike as it is. Doing while getting shot and and trying to shoot someone back is out of the question.
>>65135569The mechanization/industrialization that made it possible to mass-produce motorcycles also made cavalry charges obsolete
>>65135569have you not been paying attention at all to this war?
>>65135569They're very niche, and lend themselves mostly to irregular, skirmish warfare. What they do well is move one guy, or small teams, around very, very cheaply. If it's dirt bikes or atvs, then you can move individual soldiers around cheaply offroad as well as on roads. But you cant move much more than one guy and his gear per bike. So once you're wanting to do stuff with even small formations, like a company, with all their gear and equipment, suddenly you're better off with trucks. That said, i believe the Iranians used motorbike infantry in an anti'tank role in the Iran-Iraq war.In prior conflicts, motorbikes were used by couriers.
Syrians beg to differ
>>65135569I'm told we are seeing motor cossacks in Mali, raiding fuel convoys and the like as part of the seige of the capital
>>65135599I should have said "motor hussars" as that would be both less russian and more accurately describe their role
>>65135601>motor hussars" as that would be both less russian and more accurately describe their roleVerbage agreed upon. I appriciate your precision.
>>65135601> motor hussarsEh, they’re first two albums were good, but they fell off after that.
>>65135569>You see motorcycle/hoverbike cavalry in sci-fi fiction all the time,what bearing does that have on fucking anything?
>>65135569In WW2 motorcycles were used to send dispatches. The Germans had motorcycles with sidecars that carried MG teams.Some modern special forces apparently use E-dirtbikes to move around rapidly in relative silence. Russia tried dirtbike infantry assault, which were not very effective.
>>65135569A couple of Panzergrenadier divisions had an entire battalion of motorcycle infantry in 1942. They were used as motorised dragoons basically.As motor assets were destroyed faster than they could be replaced, the Germans binned the motorcycle battalion so they could reassign the hardware to scouts and couriers
>>65135569Because the point of cavalry was to literally push enemy formations aside or ride down routed foes.That doesn't happen anymore because the formations that cavalry would counter don't exist and if they did a motorcycle would be a lot worse at doing the job than a truck or even a sedan. Now what you can see and what I'd wager has been tried once or twice in history is having motorcycle corps run around the lines, dismount and fight as highly mobile infantry or as some sort of very mobile anti-armor/ultra light artillery unit.But otherwise motorcycles are just too fragile to be used in direct combat. A broken or flat tire can easily render you immobile and turn you into just some random infantry much closer than you'd like to the enemy.
>>65135727So like motor dragoons?
>>65135735Basically, except they would pretty much always avoid fighting from a mounted position. Find a poorly guarded area, penetrate, dismount, strike fast, remount, leave. Makes sense to me.
We've never before lived in a world where motobike cavalry is more relevant. Both sides in Ukraine use them as scouts, and Russia still uses them as rush/shock infantry with limited success. And in Mali they're being used quite successfully just recently. I think in the drone age, if you're willing to tolerate the losses, it makes sense to spread out your infantry and make them as fast as possible, especially if your alternative is shitty cars or minimally armored vehicles that will explode from one mine/FPV and kill everyone inside anyway. The enemy has to use a lot more resources to stop a wave of motorbikes than three APCs, plus you can use them for general transport behind the lines. motorbike infantry are much easier to maintain and supply than other mechanized infantry too.
>>65135703Hoverbikes are always relevant because hoverbikes are rad as fuck.
>>65135779Good for morale too>You are probably going to die horribly in combat.or>You are probably going to die horribly in combat but you get to ride around on a motorcycle until then.I know which one I'd choose, motorcycles are sick.
>>65135569You notice them in vidya more because the limited roster usually puts undue attention to what in IRL is a very niche, but very real occupation.
>>65135779This, if motorbike cavalry work in the flat, muddy trench warfare of Ukraine they will probably be even more useful in the middle east/central asia where troops need to cover long distances
>>65135569Trucks use less wheels to transport more guys and gear. And if you want the mobility to have two guys with machine guns rapidly flank somebody, you can strap a bike to the back of your truck still.While the increase in fire density brought about by machine guns did make dragoon formations practical again, motorcycles still end up sitting in the weird gap where logistics would you rather ride a truck or bicycles.
>>65135569cons>no protection>no camouflage>restricted to man portable weapons>requires a high degree of proficiency to not eat shitpros>can ride innawoods when an ATV or side by side might be too wide
>>65136182>can ride innawoods when an ATV or side by side might be too wideToday I will remind them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP>hon hon hon
>>65135569Which rock have you been living under anon?
>>65136215https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrique_Nationale_AS_24
>>65136191this is better in almost every way that matters. but just maybe, in one very specific theater. there's a situation where you need to shoot and scoot around MTB trails.
>>65135569>Have hoverbikes that shoot grenades and can shit out landmines (that they are also immune to)>DURRR LETS REPLACE DEEZ WITH SOME SPORTS CARS WITH FLAMETHROWERS DURRRRRFucking terrans I swear, they're retarded.
>>65135948The problem from a command perspective is that if you give a bunch of bored young men bikes then they're going to all die doing sick wheelies and jumps. Imagine if T. E. Lawrence had survived to do Lawrence of Arabia stuff in WWII Europe.
>>65136226Not enough camo.
>>65135569>>65135569> never a thing in real life in any war everSo first off, no. We did see motorcycles used in WW2 and in Ukraine. They're just super rare.>WhySqueezed out by army Jeeps and Toyota Technicals. If you want something fast and lightweight you can just get a ruggedized truck, strap a pintle mounted .50 call to the truck bed, and call it a Light Utility Vehicle. It'll do almost everything a motorcycle can do but better. This meant that the only thing bikes were good at was infiltration and that wasn't really practical until we had good electric bikes
Implying.
>>65135569Merely observe a biker in rain would answer the question.
>>65135703Non-stop "what if" sci-fi concept slide threads. I like sci-fi, but this is not the board for it.
>>65136285The UED didn't send their best...
>>65136842To be fair it made for a pretty good lead in for some obscure mobility options
>>65135599>motor cossacksI see the hohol hand behind this. Based.>>65135601>>65135631>"motor hussars"Gay and retarded. The pedigree of Hussars and Cossacks is different, and there are no Poles in Mali.
>>65136887What about Motor Mongols?
>>65136842>Non-stop "what if" sci-fi concept slide threads. I like sci-fi, but this is not the board for it.At least OP didn't use a frog post to satisfy their parasocial stimming.
>>65136842There have been too many lately, but I get it. These sorts of threads don't really have a good board to be posted on if you want feedback from people who know actual things.
>>65136842It's better than the thinly veiled /pol/ threads.
>>65139121This.There aren't exactly a lot of other boards where creatives can get feedback on weaponry that isn't from /noguns/ ding-a-lings so I get why they ask here.
