I remember toward the start of the Ukraine War, people were saying this was the end of tanks, that tanks couldn't keep up in a world with drones. Is this true? Are tanks over?
Nigga, its over for the infantryman.
Me when I see my $500 alibaba shasneed hit your $5 million tank
>>65137400Yes. Tanks are over. Not a single armored vehicle has been used in combat since Feb 2022. Any "evidence" you may have seen to the contrary has been faked by Big Chobham and/or Big ERA and is probably tuned to make you gay with subliminimal messaging.
Tanks haven't been relevant since the 40's.
>>65137400Fuck tanks, look up how many troops have died the age of infantry is over.
Tanks will eventually be autonomous.
>>65137715For the honor of the regiment motherfucker.
>>65137400>Russia is bad at using Y does that mean Y is over?No. You're look at how Browns fight, Even when given modern tech they default into WW1 trench warfare.
>>65137400>record demand>record profits>growing production backlogwe got too cocky tank sisters... its overhttps://seekingalpha.com/news/4586780-renk-orders-top-forecasts-as-tank-gear-demand-drives-record-backlog
Tanks are cheap enough that it won't face a battleship style make or break decision, but also have been facing a continual and unrelenting reduction in the price-to-performance ratio. As an armored tracked vehicle with a cannon they'll still be useful as an assault gun. As fantasies of fulda gaps or 91 desert storm grand sweeping maneuvering they are deader than disco and the US The future is Stug, not panzer.
>>65137794And the US* would be the only party that might be able to keep the fantasy going.Beyond spin bullshit, all we have to go off is what we've seen in the past six years and that is that the world was flatfooted in terms of drones and if they can't reliably stop drone spam on critical infastructure and much more expensive vessels? A fucking tank has even less of a chance.Resolve that issue with field application, not "trust the R&D 2 more weeks", and then we can talk about Tanks reliably not giving a shit about drone spam.
>>65137672Well tanks will be decomposed to energy a good long while before the heat death of the universe.
>>65137729>Iran-Iraq War>Ukraine War>Lebanon I think you're on to something...
>>65137664They were relevant through the 1970s, arguably the 1980s. Tanks dominated pre-guided-weapon combat.
>>65137807And what are you gonna hold that energy in? Tanks.
>>65137400What a lot of people can't understand is no equipment is made obsolete because it can be killed, they are made obsolete when either something else fills it's role better or it's role is no longer needed.Infantry still need support from a big cannon because big cannons are great at dealing with fortifications, garrisoned buildings and armour.I think long term it'll so one of two ways:We move light tanks focused on infantry support, cover them in CWIS / APS and just leave enough armour to deal with reminates of what it intercepts.We move to heavy tanks, cover them in CWIS / APS and leave enough armour they can still survive APFSDS.Maybe a mix of both with light tanks used against thirdies that can't field tanks without them getting fucked by air and heavy tanks for near peers where air superiority isn't guaranteed.
>>65137400nopeople have been saying this since ATGMsuntil the machine gun is un-invented, there will be a need for AFVs, without AFVs used in combined operations modern maneuver warfare is not possible.russia just did this retarded thing where they yolo'd tanks in with no infantry support and IFVs with undermanned infantry compliments because the entire BTG concept is dependent on conscripts filling out units with professional cores, yet they didn't use conscripts and assumed the professional soldiers would be enough under the assumption that Ukraine would collapse if their diceroll operation at Hostomel worked and Zelensky fled. Then all of them got killed and then Russia threw its training battalions into the fray and got all of them killed too.When you zoom out and look at this war it's almost funny how many times Russia has made the wrong decision yet on sheer force of mass and retardation alone is able to continue on.
>>65137400No, you fucking retard. It means the Russian Federation isn't a credible power, and they can't perform modern warfare well.
>>65137400MBTs are on their way out. For 80 years or so, 'tank' = MBTs, but we are seeing the revival of medium and light tanks, which are now called AIFVs or AFVs. So, it depends on your definition of tanks.
Reminder: This thread is vatnik cope to hide themselves from the embarrassment that is their parade tomorrow
>>65138019Not just this war but basically all their wars. in ww2 they did eventually learn how to war(that inluded not even trying deep maneuvers) but in doing so depleted an entire generation of men.
everything is drone baitwar is gay>>65138613take your meds schizo
>>65138621Found the vatnik-shill
>>65138613It absolutely won't stop me from having some good keks about the incoming russian embarrassment that's more public than all the other incoming russian embarrassments.
>>65137400Well this war in particular has been dominated by drones and artillery, but that doesn't mean it has to be like that. Israel has been using tanks in Gaza and Lebanon just fine, hasn't it?
>>65137400>Is this true? No>Are tanks over?So long as the infantry have a need for a big cannon to blast fortified positions tanks will never be obsolete
>>65137402infantry cost nothing. it's free. whores pop out mfs every second all over the place for you to use. it's animal istinct. tanks cost something.>>65137400short answer yes. long answer no.
>>65137646Cringe post.
>>65138766>infantry cost nothing. it's free. whores pop out mfs every second all over the place for you to use.their parents and/or the state have to sacrifice a portion of economic output for their upbringing, education, etcany individual in the military is one taken out of actually economically productive jobs in the civilian workforceevery one killed is one less worker propping up the economy, and one less parent to provide the next generation of workerseven before considering the cost of training and equipping them, this mentality would stunt a nation's economy and by extension its ability to wage war in the future
>>65138613Funnily enough, you are absolutely right. /pol/niggers have been spamming similar threads for a few days now. Suuuuurely it is just a coincidence, a not a new pidor metodichka, right?
>>65137672>a weapon to surpass meta gear>It's just another tank
>>65137646follow the daily losses reports retard
>>65138818>>65138768>> taking the b8, m8
>>65138797But Russia has a shrinking population. There's literally no surplus
It remains the case that the only place more dangerous than being inside a tank on the modern battlefield is being outside a tank on the modern battlefield, so no
>>65138874completely false. a tank is a large, juicy, eazzy priority target. too eazzy. a million types of weapons kill it. infantry is nimble, better camouflaged, fits in small holes and cracks, and is often ignored when spotted because it just isn't worth the ammo so you're way more safer outside. infantry is a much more useful and cost effective weapons platform than a tank.
>>65138797>there's always going to be a large surplus population it's the nature of life
>>65138797>people pay for the growth and training themselves they take care of 99%+ of the costs for youi.e. wasted economic outputall that money and labor could have been done for literally anything else more productive, such as training them to do something that actually makes money and improves your economy>or whatever cucks employ them during that time doesit's still happening in your same economy regardless>there's always going to be a large surplus population it's the nature of life. they are constantly dying anyway.birth rates are declining worldwide my dude>if anything using the excess to die in a useful way before they flee, starve, suicide or get imprisoned increases a country's efficiency.unless you're exclusively using pensioners and mentally disabled people, there is not and never has been any such thing as "excess"no wagies = no work = no economythis is true regardless of whether it's 18th century laborers growing food, 19th century factory workers producing goods, or 21st century warehouse employees and truck drivers getting shit where it's needed (and paying you taxes)
>>65138797>Taking 78 words and raping English grammar and punctuation to say "I'm a brown thirdie"Do saars really?
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It should be really fucking obvious to dronefags that armoured vehicles are in fact not obsolete because of drones from the sole fact that both puccia and ukraine are still using them widely and even begging for more.
>>65138906Yet for every tank we see disabled we see dozens of infantry splatted by smaller and even more cost effective FPV drones because as it turns out the most expensive components of the tank are the meaty ones.We also get the whole survivorship bias issue of the only footage they release is when they get a kill. It usually takes 10-20 drones invested to successfully get a tank kill due to the countermeasures you can deploy on a tank while anti-personnel FPVs have a very high casualty per launch rate, largely because man portable countermeasures are significantly less effective than what you can mount on a vehicle.
>>65139080wow you're so fucking dumb
>>65138766>infantry cost nothing. it's free. whores pop out mfs every second all over the place for you to use. it's animal istinct>it's animal istinctThat animal instinct is clearly not working anymore. Infantry is gona be more expensive then tanks at this rate when the birth rate goes below 1.0>>65138906>infantry is nimble, better camouflaged, fits in small holes and cracks, and is often ignored when spotted>often ignored when spottedDo you know what happens when all the tanks disappear from the frontline? The FPV drones starts targeting the infantry. And unlike tanks infantry cannot survive direct hits from FPV drones (some exceptions exist like that one russian that headbutted a drone and survived). They die in droves and cant escape either since they cant run away fast enough, cant hide either since FPV drones can go into pipes and holes and catch them.
>>65138646>Israel has been using tanks in Gaza and Lebanon just fine, hasn't it?Up until the last month, yes. Then drones arrived.
>>65142169Just give one guy in the infantry squad an exoskeleton so he can carry a large stack of AI-controlled interceptor drones on his back. There, now infantry has AA.
