>embarassingalright, guess Ukraine doesn't need Starlink and GPS
>>65139110To be fair it's probably the best version. Superior accuracy, superior detonation mechanism and payload.
Not so fun when the shasneeds smell like Big Macs huh
>former Uber executive and Trump hire is retardedShocking stuff.
>>65139130>payloadMeh
>>65139130Reminds me of when we dumped US made RPG launchers, people memed on them and then the ukies started saying they were the best rpg launcher. This was prior to the drone meta.
>edgestill behind the game
>>65139110>weapon so easy to build Russia does it with illiterate workersI wonder how much actually productive nations could spam these things.
>>65139116Didn't Dornier work with Northrop G on the original design? So it could be considered a (joint) US(-German) creation.
>>65139110Wish they'd stop adopting the russian stance of lying about everything
>>65139139PSRL-1And yeah the Ukies love them.
>>65139151>Wish they'd stop adopting the russian stance of lying about everythingYeah, that's not happening. What you're witnessing right now is the russification of US politics.
>>65139147Renault just opened their drone factory in Le Mans, the plan back in January was to produce 600 Shahed type drones in a month but thats just initial numbershttps://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2026/05/07/renault-cautiously-enters-military-drone-production_6753204_19.htmlhttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2026/01/20/french-carmaker-renault-to-produce-long-range-drones-for-french-forces/
>>65139147the US, UK and France all have production contracts that aim to produce about a thousand drones a month, eachthere may be more contracts, especially for the US
>>65139147>actual productive nation>actual >productive>nationsAnon casually writing off all of eurostan
>>65139166>get killed by a Renault>get turned into a LadaPoetic
>>65139130>40 lb warhead zigger equivalent for the same price and range can carry five times the payload
>>65139179>zigger equivalent for the same pricethere's no zigger equivalent because even the cheapest zigger shahed is 50% more expensive
>>65139135>As opposed to the incredible human capital state appointees we all know and loveToppest lels
>>65139204They use to be better than Uber employees, take a life long spook for example.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sherman_(intelligence)
>>65139110not implessive!ebarrarsement! shamfurl!
>>65139210Iran lostRussia lost
>>65139147>actual productive nationsI guess we'll have to wait and see if any of them start producing these
>>65139210this is a board of decent people who believe in self defence and support those who defend themselves against unjust attacks (like Ukrainians) and you are sneakingly trying to conflate grassroot sincere activism with professional jewish-paid internet deceivers.
>>65139310Which is why we don't like Iranian shills acting like they didnt help Russia attack Ukraine for years.
>>65139310>decent peopleExtremely questionable
>>65139184Yeah extended us one won't also be much cheaper. They're probably going to make double payload 100k each not mention the jet powered one.
>>65139332>jet poweredthose are also known as "cruise missiles"
>>65139110Whats going on with US drones? They are supposed to have interceptor drones and such but chose to not use them in Iran?
>>65139342>chose to not use them in IranWhat makes you think they didn't?
>>65139344I doubt they would use that amount of patriot missiles if they had and they worked.
>>65139342Unfortunately a mentally stunted manchild and his retarded goons run the us military now.
>>65139116>>65139149Dornier designed the airframe and Texas Instruments designed the guidance system. The IAI Harpy is not actually derived from the DAR, it comes from the Kentron ARD-10. South Africa had been buying Israeli drones for years and wanted to develop their own, and the DAR was the hot shit on the drone space at the time so that's what they took their inspiration from. The ARD-10 turned out to be pretty good, so Israel licensed the design, and then sold a few of them to China. It's unclear whether Iran got some of the Chinese Harpies or if they bought the designs directly from South Africa around the time that Kentron was merged with Denel, which was also struggling financially.
>>65139347>Usain Bolt can't possibly have been doing his best; if he had I'm sure he could have run the 200m in 15 secondsanon, you have zero benchmark for comparison other than your uninformed civilian ass
>>65139347It was gulfies shooting down sneeds with Patriots. Why can't you retards figure out the difference between American forces and allied forces using American equipment? Do you think the US Marines are German because they use HKs?
>>65139353If only US had, I don't know, collaborated with it's allies. You know so capabilities where in place and everyone was ready to go. >>65139352I'm sorry you're retarded. I'll give you a chance to make an analogy that actually fit. Do you best!
>>65139139Same thing with the Bradley and HIMARS. >>65139151>>65139165Seething brownoids mad that the DEI got cut off and USAID no longer funds them lmao
>>65139349Ma'am I'm sorry but you're still not getting promoted for being transbian in the US military anymore. Them's just the breaks. And we aren't sending Iran cash to build nukes anymore, I know you're disappointed but you'll just have to deal with it, while you cry into your hammer and sickle embroidery project.
>>65139456Don't look up how easy it is to transition in russia.
>>65139116Is there literally ANY evidence the 136 is based on anything else other than its shape? The Dornier was an anti-radiation munition while the 136 is a a cheap cruise missile. The 136 seems to be an entirely indigenous design that just happens to look like the Dornier and Kentron while having nothing in common with either.Iran has dozens of drone types, a massive arsenal of indigenously designed and manufactured ballistic missiles, a space program, and even produce new weapon innovations like the Missile 358. Seems stupid that they would need to copy a decades old drone.
>>65139110shasneeds worked, so they're ours now. I wonder how much seethe will be generated when the thirdies start getting killed by their own "Wunderwaffe".
>>65139510>going from shitting at shaheds to praising them and circlejerking over them now that the zog (zigger occupied government) copied themPathetic!
>>65139516Cope, you sucked in execution.
>>65139516me when I'm a false flagging russoid. you're just mad that you aren't special anymore. cope and seethe.
>>65139510>shasneeds workedYes against us lol
>>65139538Now watch as we do it better back to Iran lmao
>>65139544Nigger we don't need it when we can just easily fly our jet over there. This weapons are meant for attrition warfare against high tech advesary and what did we do it for testing it? Oh blew some goat herders rooftop.
>>65139538subhuman phone poster
>>65139130Maybe. It's probably also have superior price. Meaning it'll cost $500k instead of the price it should be, which is 50k
if you're wondering why the third world has been acting up the last couple days, this is why.
>>65139553Cipe
>>65139564saar do not be a poor thirdie phone poster
>>65139564>a sign Ukraine war not going tot plan
>>65139574?
>>65139564Projecting much?Here's some aftermath:
>>65139596Russia is losingIran is losing:)
>>65139596cope. russia is losing.
>>65139558>50kMake it 5k
>>65139128>get shit on by randos>take it out on UkraineWhy is it that this is the default subhuman response?
>>65139165>> right nowimplying that most politicians everywhere haven't been lying their asses off forever
>>65139558Actually, it costs $35k. For real, not like a shasneed that actually costs $200k.
>>65139385
>>65139636simply an example, since many people (not just Ukrainians) claim that Ukraine is allegedly at the cutting edge of drone tech and whatnot, and the rest of us mere mortals are on our knees to the great Ukrainian aerospace engineers and all that
>>65139564>ruslims seethingjust another day that ends in y>/k/ now requires email verification and has the more annoying captcha nowawesome stuff, could have just rangebanned the spambots but we have to make actual humans suffer instead
>>65139264>shamfurl!Haven't heard that one in a while. Shamefur dispray!
>>65139370>If only US had, I don't know, collaborated with it's allies. You know so capabilities where in place and everyone was ready to go.We did. They were. Then Trump started his second term.
>>65140213>What about...!Zigger or just MAGA retard?
>>65140203>>65140218damn, you really are mad about the lack of tanks this year, pidor. the board has been getting shit up all day. why don't you just go back to /int/ or /pol/ where you belong?
>>65140203>uhh uhh USA is of russia ally, da? we are literally doing everything in our power to dismantle all of russia's allies while they continue to get their shit pushed in by ukrainains. kill yourself vatnig
>>65139350>Kentron ARD-10was released after the Dornier DARthere is credible evidence that the ARD-10 was inspired by the Dornier designwhich published designed as early as the mid 1970s similar to the final DAR one>>65139475>Is there literally ANY evidence the 136 is based on anything else other than its shape?the engine is literally a copy of the German Limbach L550which is an evolution of the engine used in the dornier DARdo you really need more?Dornier DAR was based on ~10y research priorthey published a bunch of stuff related to itthe chances that's the following designs are not inspired by it are near zero
>>65140218Is that really this much of a differenc ein terms of cognitive abilities?
>>65140218there is no "what about". Yuro retards are literally simultaneously begging the US for help while also claiming they never needed us. After sucking vatnik oil for ages, even after Crimea was taken. Uppity yuroids
>>65140325>judging cognitive ability>can't even spell in right>>65140218All I'm saying is America never offered Russia thermal sights for their tanks, let them try our AFVs, helped them develop aircraft, or nearly go through with a deal to sell them light carriers
>>65139347The seethe at the superiority of American equiment is always delicious.
>>65140429Euros have an intensely Eurocentric worldview which is why America putting its national security interests first drives them into a frothing rage.
>>65139110>The DAR project was not exclusively a German initiative but rather a collaborative endeavor involving both West Germany and the United States. This joint program, which commenced in the 1970s, aimed to engineer an affordable, radar-homing, one-way attack munition specifically designed to suppress or destroy enemy air defenses. The technological sophistication of DAR was further enhanced by the incorporation of advanced technologies developed by the American company Texas Instruments, signifying a substantial cross-national exchange of technical knowledge and capabilities. This collaboration and the integration of cutting-edge electronics underscore a profound level of strategic foresight and technological ambition
>>65139110>blatantly copy the enemy's weapon and calling it an innovationshamefur dispray
>>65140284>Kentron ARD-10>was released after the Dornier DAYes, that's what I said. And then Kentron licensed the design to IAI. That's why the IAI Harpy uses the same UEL AR731 rotary engine as the ARD-10. Presumably the Iranians modified the design to use the MD-550 because they can source it from China while UEL is a british company and subject to export controls.
>>65140678>Presumably the Iranians modified the design to use the MD-550 because they can source it from China while UEL is a british company and subject to export controls.Correction: the smaller Shahed 131 uses an Iranian-built clone of the 38 bhp UEL AR731, while the larger Shahed 136 uses an Iranian-built clone of the 50 bhp Limbach L550E. They would have wanted a more powerful engine for their scaled up sneed, and the L550E would have had the right specs and been easy to source since the company is Chinese-owned.
>>65140004>Ukraine is allegedly at the cutting edge of drone tech and whatnotNot far from the truth. Their situation puts them in an unique testbed to see what works, what doesn't, and what's practical and scalable in a warzone environment. Like it or not, Ukies vs Ruskis is the biggest concentration of experts in drone warfare there ever was. They're basically writing the book on it right now.>and the rest of us mere mortals are on our knees to the great Ukrainian aerospace engineers and all thatNobody thinks this. It's just you.
>>65139799What am I supposed to be mad at here? The US has always made being the good guy who wants peace part of its image. Of course we're going to try to get people to sit down and talk, what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>65140259It's one extremely mentally ill Mitt Romney campaign intern who got fired for schizophrenic behavior who haunts /milgen/ and has terminal TDS. He used to shill the Mueller report and Steele Dossier here nonstop and claimed he made some kind of presentation for Mitt to try to have the establishment GOP stop Trump. I remember him from when Ukraine first kicked off, he used to spam AI images of Donald Trump surrounded by poop when he went off his meds.
>>65140610It's not enough for us to fuck Russia, we have to fuck Russia their very specific way and do all the work and give the EU credit and commit all of our sons to die for them forever or we're meanie traitors. >>65140664It has been the winning strategy since before the first horse was mounted and the first bow strung.
>>65140722I still don't understand what the two of you were arguing about, it's not a Ukie calling it embarrassing to see a design and go "okay but can we do it better?" They're at war, they know it's the way of things. One reason why America and Israel are allies was so that America could hand Israel some of its toys to test out against their neighbors, after all, without all the advantages the US has.
>>65141148I want to say I'm surprised in the slightest but I'm not
>>65140722>They're basically writing the book on it right now.>Nobody thinks this. It's just you.
>>65141228It might also be German and Scandinavian rich NEETs whose daddies own hunting rifles and LARP as le aryan elite and resent the US for not being their servant
>>65141291Application of tactics is not a nuanced difference from the concept of aerospace engineering. Finish your GED, kid.
>>65139385Only brown here is you, rajesh.
>>65141441NTA. Your sentence is barely coherent, and conveys a lot of your snide emotional state but pretty much nothing of substance. Don't tell other people to hit the books.
>>65141641If he was Rajesh your Prophet would let him Zutt Zutt in his Butt (pbuh).
>>65141674>Piss Be Upon Him
>>65139116So not an American innovation?
>>65141441>Application of tactics is not a nuanced difference from the concept of aerospace engineering.Did you mean to greentext this, or were you proving my point for me?
>>65141654Intellectual incontinence needs to be called out. You're doing the person a disservice if you don't. >>65141875If you believe engineering and tactics are conceptually the same thing, you're an idiot.
>>65142022>If you believe engineering and tactics are conceptually the same thing, you're an idiot.If you believe that they're not interrelated and don't influence each other, you're an idiot; and if you believe that the Ukrainians have a better grasp of tactics than the Americans providing them with all their ISR and BDA, you're an idiot.
>>65142041NTA but Ukraine's experience with this stuff in the field has been invaluable data for us in the same way that the data from Israelis piloting our jets is invaluable to us. The pissing contest matters a lot less than getting information.
>>65142120yeah and I'm saying we have GOT the information and combined with our tech and pre-existing military expertise, we now know better than they do.bear in mind the Ukes are just barely climbing out of their Soviet ways and coming to terms with the NATO way of war. they're still very stuck in the "cheap volume" mindset. the ones who know better know very well that guided weapons are still more cost-effective than unguided, ceteris paribus. that is why Ukraine is screaming for NATO PGMs, and contracting US, UK and France for advanced guided jam-resistant drones to replace their cheap shit with.
>>65142129Let's be grateful and use their experience to our advantage as much as possible. I will not assume we can learn nothing from them so soon.
>>65139110lucas is highly sucessful actually far from an emberessment
>>65142302Shouldn't it be the V1?
I saw a teaser trailer on YouTube from Locksneed about a Skunkworks reveal, could be something fun.
>>65142320It is not the first turn of the cycle.
>>65142302At first I wanted to say that "no one in their right mind shoots down Shaheeds with Patriot AA", but then I've remembered the recent Iran shitfest lmao
>>65142412Patriots sent to the middle east for export to foreign militaries need to have a target requirement minimum hard coded into them.
>>65142412They use APKWS and SM2s for drones, dickheadIran has been throwing a lot of ballistic missiles but that doesn't fit in with the>hurr durr murica dumb durrnarrative so it's not focused on
>>65142444>hurr durr murica dumba) yes, some of murricans are in fact dumb, denying this is delusional at best;b) I was implying the local sandniggers allies were too trigger happy;
>>65142465I've seen some scattered comments from Ukrainian AA operators brought in to advise by a few Gulf states that they're a little stunned by the type and number of munitions they've been willing to throw at some stuff.Not exactly spending their stockpiles wisely was the takeaway I got.
>>65142841No shit, none of the retards even tried using ukie experience of drone defense prior to getting hit lmao
>>65139636It's exactly by Orangutan's playbook.
>>65142841that was just the typical sovslav reaction to modern waryou'll notice they don't squeal so much about muh waste when we're giving them weapons
>>65143015Anon, the point was that they were watching single nights where they fired off more of some western assets than Ukraine would've in months, because Ukraine has to make smaller supplies go further.
>>65142841This is such a common human response and why ever changing environment is a requirement for progress.
>>65143061yeah I was agreeing with you on thatit was probably more of a "holy fuck you can afford to shoot 100 interceptors at incoming ballistic missiles"and it's the Gulf States who were caught with their pants down with no intermediate weapons to deal with lower threat level incomingthe US used the whole gamut of weapons from guns to lasers to SM2s to APKWS to jamming to counter-drone drones
