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>>65149371You didn't like how your thread went last time?>>65121060
>>65149371It was a fundementally bad strategy for a miriad of reasons, the three that stick out to me more than anything else are:1. The decisive battle has to be won decisively. Which sound recursive, but think about this for a second. Their strategy demanded they win enough that their superior position becomes undeniable and they come to dominate the Pacific. A scenario where they win their set piece battle and either fail to completely destroy the enemy fleet or take heavy losses would nullify this naval hyper power status in the Pacific, thus undermining the ability for Japan to settle on favorable terms.2. It utterly failed to consider that a country might be willing to rebuild and pursue war after losing a fleet, since the real world isn't a paradox game with warscore. If we ignore the sheer industrial differences between Japan and her rivals, not every country was as weak as Russia in 1905. Even a country with comparable economic or military might continue to pursue the war after a defeat. When considering Japanese dependance on sea lines for their basic economy, asymmetric submarine warfare could strain their war effort and mitigate Japanese sea dominance even after a surface fleet's victory.3. Japan had to commit to a qualitatively superior fleet at all times. This tied up economic resources that could have been otherwise invested into the already vast prewar Japanese empire, which would have unlocked a far greater long term capacity for the Japanese position. Japan stood to gain more by participating in the Anglo American system than by opposing it. The strategy was a quixotic mess, and was not viable barring ideal conditions during a second great war, which without foresight was impossible to predict who when and where it would start. Even under these ideal circumstances, the US and UK proved to be far more industrially and militarily mighty for Japan to handle. Long term Japan would have floundered even if the US has no new ships.
>>65149423>Japan stood to gain more by participating in the Anglo American system than by opposing it.It is fascinating how well this describes the German situation as well.Both of them could have taken the easy early victories without much opposition like Sudetenland and Manchuria and then just focused inwards on technological and economic development.The Soviets would have eventually crumbled due to stupidity of communism and China would have continued deeper into its civil war.
>>65149495I think Germany's position was far weaker than that. By the point they went for the sudetenland they had already ultra militarized and had undergone years of economic transformation that made the whole state a house of cards that needed it's war. Britain and France had committed to rearmenent by that point and were preparing for war. If Germany delayed, they would have imploded and face an even more unfavorable war. I think Germany's case there was no avoiding their retarded war, due to the nature, ideology and fundamental stances of their leadership.Japan on the other hand had far more variation within the ideological cliques that were in competition with each other. If leadership was different during the early 30s or even during the negotiations in 41 there could have been a different set of outcomes. Granted they ended up slaves to their own worldview as much as the germans, but if another other faction had triumphed they could have a whole different set of actors. They very well could have kept their empire if any one of the more moderate forces in the empire prevailed
>>65149495It will also be true of China in the near future.
>>65149514>had already ultra militarized and had undergone years of economic transformation that made the whole state a house of cards that needed it's warI think that this is a common misconception by people who think that military industry is separate from other industry. Remember that sewing machine factories ended up making tanks and rifles in the US. All industry is ultimately dual use.
>>65149601As in China should just focus on development as the liberal world order collapses under its own absurdity?
>>65149371An ironbottom sound military strategy.
>Encounter a destroyer escort>HOREE SHITTU! IT'S HALSEY'S FLAGSHIP! ABANDON THE OPERATION!
>>65149634In theory if they could have retooled all their military infrastructure, but the problem was that all of it was state run and running at a deficit. So they would have had to either pivot into what's a essentially a sovietized economy or do what the post soviet states did in the 90s but with most military production. Neither was a very compelling option considering they had to contend with the countries surrounding them all on guard and openly angry at them for very good reasons.They also had fucked over their gold and currency reserves, had no trading partners that could viably maintain economic relations beyond the import of military goods. Before 41' one of their largest trade partners were the soviets. All of this is beyond the point because this implies the Nazis were able to make pragmatic decisions not based on fulfilling their prophesized racial great war. They were simply unable to do anything other than listen to every one of Hitler's autistic dictates by their very nature. My argument is that the Japanese government had a lot more ideological flexibility and if the cliques that opposed war with the west for pragmatic reasons could have taken power and in certain cases they nearly did take power. Japan had a path to avoid the war and would no doubt end up the same sort of economic juggernaut they became anyway, except this time with a massive base of resources. Germany did not have similar options due to their entire government being utterly dedicated to their current path.
>>65149371Didn't it kind of work against Britain when they BTFO their India floatilla Force Z and couldn't recommit another?
>>65152700It could validate their fixation on being able to outrange an enemy, which was built into their idea of a decisive battle. However it did nothing to validate the war would be won with a decisive naval action. The actual setup for the supposed Kantai Kessen sort of killed itself US ditched its plans to immediately relieve the Philippines because it figured it would put itself in a poor position and lose that battle. British were spread too thin to have a single decisive battle. Beyond that anon summed up its faults in >>65149423
>>65149371against most enemies it is
>>65149495>Japan stood to gain more by participating in the Anglo American system than by opposing it.>It is fascinating how well this describes the German situation as well.Trouble being: US objective 'realist' interest was coopted by British owned (and Soviet infiltrated) assets. Austrian Painter bent over backwards for global colonial detente and to deal with the Soviets (by design, the degrader of Continental European powers). And the Japanese navy had heavy investment by the British (Rothschilds), ultimately denuding most of the region of competing powers (Dutch, French at a delay). Yamamoto required the hybrid carrier submarines before the war, and only got them afterwards. Taking out the Panama Canal, and rolling wildfires on the Pacific Coast could have changed the picture significantly. Then again, they also had to settle on Kamikazee'ing straight out of the gates as well.
>>65149371Where is this picrel from?
>>65153290>Schizobable now incorporates algorithmically driven euphemism from tik tokGrimGrim
>>65149640China is fucked for the same reason the West is- extinction-level birthrates. And the reason the birthrates are low are the exact same for both China and the West.
>>65153338Easily accessible porn?
>>65153391Economics (need two parents to support a family with most jobs) and dating. (People need to marry young but are too shy and retarded to not fuck it up, which is why their parents took charge of said business for 99% of human history)
>>65153391They had a one child policy for three decades, everyone works 60 hours a week and there are like 40 million more men than women
