Why does bipedalism work well for flesh and blood soldiers but breaks down when trying it for mechanized warfare?
Who said it works well for flesh and blood soldiers? This shit sucks but we're born like this.
Humans evolved a controlled fall for low energy consumption and call it walking. We don't walk like other animals.
For mechs, square cube law. Bipedalism in humans comes with numerous physical compromises and we barely function at all. The human foot, for example, is a mangled piece of shit that has lost all prior functionality compared to primate ancestors. Our spine inevitably gives out, and so do our hips. Losing the ability to walk for humans is not a question of if, but what age and if you live long enough to reach that age.Now apply that to a 30 foot robot. Now apply that to the rigors of warfare.For non-piloted robots, Moravec's paradox. It is easy for humans to stand and navigate our environment because we've had a billion years to evolve that ability. Robots have only really had about 30 years. And then there is the energy requirement, biological metabolism is infinitely more efficient both in storage and in output compared to "slap a battery and make it power metal actuators". Humans are effectively run by organic nanobots. Why downgrade?
>>65149468It doesn’t “work well” for humans either per se, evolution doesn’t necessarily create what is most efficient.
>>65149468Too much weight. We are light enough where the added height is worth it. Crawling or rolling is simpler and easier to replicate mechanically, easier to control there on
>>65149468>Why does bipedalism work well for flesh and blood soldiersto be fair ankle damage is an immediate mobility kill
>>65149468Because humans walking has been "under development" for 1.3MY (or more). Mechs walking development time is less than 100yrs.
Squishies cannot into wheel bearings
>>65149575So roller derbie mechs?
>>65149468>Why does bipedalism work well for flesh and blood soldierDoes it work well? Well compared to what?Human body plan is kind of terrible, and the only real advantage we get out of it is 2 hands. Which is a huge advantage, don't get me wrong, but if you're not limited to 4 limbs there are far better body plans.
>>65149468>works out wellTell that to our knees, hips and especially achilles tendon. Even animals on all fours often die of hip related injury/fatigue. You ever see a centipede with a crutch? Didnt fucking think so.Cant wait to see what kills us first: Enviornmental change, or the lack of selection reducing us to barely functioning blobs.
>>65149648Dont underestimate what a game changer being able to meaningfully throw shit was/is. Also, human stamina is pretty impressive for a land animal. The distances even an average person can travel without rest blows most other animals away. With the added perk of being semi-aquatic
>>65149648>the only real advantage we get out of it is 2 hands.Hands, you say?
>>65149468Flesh and blood has a hard time making things that can freely revolve.>>65149648>Human body plan is kind of terrible,It really is, it's very space-inefficient.
>>65149748>childrens' heads keep getting bigger making child birth progressively more difficultWhat retard desgined this pos?
>>65149648>Human body plan is kind of terribleWe have big dongs and permanent boobs. We are superior.
Humans really look at their ability to kill animals by throwing a rock or pointy stick while operating for days in 80+ heat and think yeah this is mid
On a related note though, an automatic shotgun would be the best weapon for a giant. It would basically a HIMARS dispenser at that size. You could kill entire infantry companies in seconds and devastate armored columns.
>>65149770It’s mid compared to any machine designed to do the same thing more efficiently.
>>65149778Because we made it with our brains.
>>65149748>space inefficiencyBy what metric, surface area? important for heat management at the very least thoever. Or by like of laser beams in skull>>65149756Wamen just need to get gud
>>65149785Which just makes us efficient thinkers, doesn’t make our limbs particularly good
>>65149820Because I pointed out how our limbs are good?
>>65149823See >>65149770
>>65149827Yes I said how our limbs are good I know
>>65149830And they’re pretty mid. It’s only our brains that are exceptional.
>>65149834>Wiped out all other apex land predators>MidOur brains developed because we could reliably eat lots of meat.
>>65149836We didn’t wipe them out with our limbs.
>>65149849We threw rocks at them and harrassed them until they died from exhaustion or couldn't fight back. Bipedal walking is the most energy efficient form of terrestrial movement.
>>65149869>Bipedal walking is the most energy efficient form of terrestrial movement.And that's only true because flesh cannot make a wheel.
>>65149869That’s actually a myth, humans mostly set traps to kill larger animals, we didn’t really “exhaust them to death”
>>65149876Setting traps is hugely dependent on dexterous interfacing.How do you think most of what was caught was killed btw? Through jihand-ball.
>>65149870You mean treads. Wheels need roads to even begin to bother with>>65149876Its not a myth. Its still practiced to today.
>>65149876>That’s actually a mythIt's not. Before humans developed traps, they developed endurance hunting. That's why we can run marathons and other animals can't.
>>65149876Post an example>inb4 driving them off cliffs Heavily endurance based.
>>65149468The flesh and blood heals minor injuries, the machine doesn't
>>65149849We wiped them out with our opposable thumbs and superb ability to throw. Our arms are superb limbs, possibly the most effective arms of any animal ever. Our legs are mid asf tho
>>65149870Tell that to hoop snakes
>>65149883>You mean treads.No, I mean wheels. Tracks aren't always a good thing, but even when they are they still depend on wheels.
>>65149899Many primates have far superior limbs to us. They're even more dexterous, they just don't have the brain capacity to use them as effectively.
>>65149901Wheels required human footpaths to come about.
>>65149904No primate gets close to our ability to throw objects. We have freakishly strong and flexible shoulders compared to other Apes.
>>65149484Would normal people object to a giant woman using them as a dildo or put them beetwen her cleavage?
>>65149468too complicated, no enough of a benefit for any reason while also making you an easier target.
>stealth fetish threadjsid already
>>65149820Ok, now name a machine that can kill an animal, dress it, cook it, tan the hide, cut/sew the hide into something useful, plant, raise, harvest, store 3 different crops, build a shelter, form a community with other machines, repair damaged machinery, design and build better machines, climb a cliff or tree, swim, dig a hole, and invent language. This machine has to be self propelled, with a max weight limit of 250 pounds. It also has to be able to build another machine of the same type with nothing but the assistance of 1 other machine and a steady diet of raw materials.
>bipedalism is inneficientWe are much stealthier than any vehicle going around and we can comfortably carry on our back a couple missile launcher to hide in a hole for a week to ambush said vehicle.
>>65149943All of that is inefficient, a thing that rolls and eats shit whole would kick its ass.
>>65149906Wheels work just fine without them. But even if we suppose that roads are a requirement for developing wheels it doesn't change the fact that wheels are more efficient than bipedal locomotion.
>>65149961Not in uneven terrain, or on an incline.
>>65149911>We have freakishly strong and flexible shouldersChimpanzees mog us in that regard. Most
>>65149963Chimpanzees can't throw for shit compared to us. Humans can kill from 50 meters with a sharp stick
>>65149962Wheels are always more efficient because you do not have to pick them up and remove them in order to move forward. Reciprocating motion like walking wastes 50% of its effort.
>>65149964That's a brain problem, not a shoulder strength or motion problem.
>>65149965Only on flat surfaces
>>65149967No its not...
>>65149468China just built a bipedal mech that can also go into quadruped mode for $650k. It weights only 500kg, which means that there can still have a lot of room for armor, sensor and weapons, while still being way cheaper and lighter than your average MBT or IFV: https://x.com/UnitreeRobotics/status/2054067819634159622
>>65150014Why doesnt it squat go let the operator in more easily?
>>65150023It can go onto 4 legged mode for that
>>65150014Based chang. When will the be able to produce viable engines of at least Cold War Soviet caliber? Or at least equip this thing with gigatities and an anahole
>>65150014>we're finally getting mechs>they shuffle around like an old guy who shit himself
>>65149969A wheel will always be more mechanically efficient than legs regardless of surface.
>>65149967Wrong, chimp shoulders arent nearly as complex and dexterous enough.
>>65149962With the exception of the most extreme inclines upward a human on a bike is literally the most efficient way to use your legs.
>>65149953Yeah except that’s organically, not machines. Legged machines are noisier than wheels.
Y’all fucknuts aren’t even arguing about mechs at this point FFS. Yes, humans are decently efficient at doing human things, but that doesn’t translate to machines at all. There is no organic equivalent to a wheel.
>>65150137>just lazily oriental posting nowIt’s all so tiresome
>>65150137>>65150140>>65150144>jeet>jeet>furfaggotDiscord was a mistake
>>65150050That’s pretty much the only way you’re going to get mechs, legged motion is just not that efficient
>>65149919the character "Gulliver" in "Gulliver's Travels" was put in this exact predicament (well, not the dildo part) and seemed to express quite a lot of distress at the experience.
>>65150157The reason for that is explain as Gulliver seeing all the giantess’s details up close and in hyper detail, so every mole, wrinkle, and hair on the giantess that would normally go unnoticed was huge to him.
>>65150157>>65150165I also recall the Brobdingnags being a very unhygenic people. That would have to contribute to one's feelings about the experience. Getting stuffed down a cute anime girl's shirt would be noticeably less unpleasant.
>>65150178Yeah haha I mean imagine how much worse it would be to get stuffed down some tomboyish unhygienic peasant milf’s fat tits or buttcrack
>>65150157>well, not the dildo partAnon...
>>65150157Real women wouldnt be this perverted right?
>>65150252Anon I can assure you if I ever shrunk to an inch tall my bitch of a cunt sister would 100% use the opportunity to sit and fart in me because she just a giant asshole Women are fucking freaks
>>65150014>unitreeYou mean the spyware slop that's barely capable of maneuvering itself and has network security so weak a cell phone can root it?
>>65150265That sounds awful. Tell me more.
>>65149876There are only a handful of animals in the world that can outdo humans at distance running, and we domesticated most of them. Being smart enough to set traps and herd animals into said traps is icing on the evolutionary cake.
>>65150278Well I was a nerdy twig of a boy and she was my athletic sister several years older than me with the build of a fucking wrestler so when I was a shota of like 10 years old she’d fucking cram my face in her ass and fart or sit on me while I was napping on the couch, and because she’s a merciless petty bitch I doubt me being shrunk would stop her antics.
>>65150308I was gonna do a coomer response but naw, that does sound kinda shit.
>>65150205>They would often strip me naked from top to toe, and lay me at full length in their bosoms; >That which gave me most uneasiness among these maids of honour (when my nurse carried me to visit then) was, to see them use me without any manner of ceremony, like a creature who had no sort of consequence: for they would strip themselves to the skin, and put on their smocks in my presence, while I was placed on their toilet, directly before their naked bodies, which I am sure to me was very far from being a tempting sight, or from giving me any other emotions than those of horror and disgust: their skins appeared soh // b /fil / / h/ h h / /coarse and uneven, so variously coloured, when I saw them near, with a mole here and there as broad as a trencher, and hairs hanging from it thicker than packthreads, to say nothing farther concerning the rest of their persons. Neither did they at all scruple, while I was by, to discharge what they had drank, to the quantity of at least two hogsheads, in a vessel that held above three tuns. The handsomest among these maids of honour, a pleasant, frolicsome girl of sixteen, would sometimes set me astride upon one of her nipples, with many other tricks, wherein the reader will excuse me for not being over particular. But I was so much displeased, that I entreated Glumdalclitch to contrive some excuse for not seeing that young lady any more.
>>65150308I'm sorry your parents didnt love you.
>>65149748>Flesh and blood has a hard time making things that can freely revolve.What would it look like if it attempted?
>>65150317>Many other tricksSome men drown while others die of thirst
>>65150313Yeah living with her was pretty ass if you’ll excuse the pun
>>65150317>with many other tricksI dont get it, what did he mean by this?
>>65150317>I fell on my knees, and begged the honour of kissing her imperial foot; Yep i need to read Guliver's travel again
>>65150423>I must confess no object ever disgusted me so much as the sight of her monstrous breast, which I cannot tell what to compare with, so as to give the curious reader an idea of its bulk, shape, and colour. It stood prominent six feet, and could not be less than sixteen in circumference. The nipple was about half the bigness of my head, and the hue both of that and the dug, so varied with spots, pimples, and freckles, that nothing could appear more nauseous: Did swift have a fetish?
>>65150439There’s probably a lot of fetishes that authors just didn’t notice they even had cause the internet didn’t exist yet
I think snu snu is the extent of my muscle or height dommy mommy build. Anything more is freakish and downright comical.
>>65149967Our brains play a big part in accuracy but also our shoulders are far more flexible and better at throwing than chimps
>>65150340Is that fucking Ultraman?
>>65150469Yes
>>65150447If this scene was made today there is no way in the world it would go past peoples fetish radars.
>>65150317>Ahahah, wouldnt it be bad if a giant girl put me on her breast ahahaha, i would realy hate thatHe would definitly be posting on here was he alive today
>>65149468Why has no one posted the Giantess Sydney sweeny where she presses her tits up against a skyscraper window yet?
>>65150703I dont wanna get b#
>>65150716Well that was.. something.
>>65150716new season of euphora finally made it watchable
>>65149468Because the human mind and body have evolved to constantly maintain balance. It's why you can lose balance when you have a bad ear infection. This is just difficult to replicate for machines, I guess
>>65150716……I kinda get it now.
>>65150716Enjoy your vacation you magnificient bastard. Anon delivers, all is not lost.
>>65149648I couldn't disagree more, I think humans would have been a successful species even if we didn't have superior intelligence.
>>65150716This poster is a hero. OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN
>>65150998Africa, Asia, and their assorted primates exist, did you know? You don’t even need to theorize about evolution. Just rook.
>>65150716This they make giant prop tits to smash the windows and knock the guy over?
>>65149756>Complaining about evolutionary pressure to increase the size of women's hipsGay or woman?
>>65150999
>>65151052>tfw so clapped thought this gif was a woman in a dress with a massive wagon
>>65150014>>65150034i have the urge to throw jars of piss at it
How would Kant feel about this thread?
>>65149468Different paradigm. Humans aren't really designed for roads. Our legs are more generalist, good for climbing, swimming, running on both even and uneven ground, as well as a decent makeshift weapon when we don't have our tools. Evolution tends to favor versatile, adaptive designs that don't die off because the climate changed. Humans can snatch up clams like an otter, pick seeds and berries like a bird, or chase prey to exhaustion like a canine. We're very versatile even before you add in tools. There's a reason why a lot of jungle, mountain, and indoors fighting is still infantry dominant. Mechanized warfare is all about roads and mostly flat ground. You don't need tanks to climb trees or supply trucks to swim under water. You just need to get across the field with as much weight as possible. Maybe the field is muddy, maybe it's dry, maybe it's full of ditches, but it's still just a field. Mostly flat with some exceptions. Very optimized, not very versatile.
>>65151052Neat
