>I purchased a mediocre bullpup, and have conclusively determined that all bullpups are bad because... it's a different (but not necessarily bad) manual of arms, and because there's not enough rail space to mount all my tacticool LARP gear (that 99.9% of people don't own or use)!Well that was certainly a useless take. Since this is the forum I come to when I want nuanced and unbiased takes on things, what does /k/ think of 'pups?
>>65151029they're cool and funhop is gay and him and assfaggot should just come out of the closet already
>>65151029It's actually the triggers that make bullpups gay
>>65151029>optic>flashlight>maybe some sort of foregripWhy do people act like you need 16 inches of quad rails? What could you possibly be putting on your gun beyond these things that require minimal space?
>>65151038>What could you possibly be putting on your gun beyond these things that require minimal space?A coffee grinder
I’ve tried them. I find them awkward especially for reloading. If you took a total nogunz and only ever taught them to use a bullpup it would probably be easier but take any soldier trained on an M4 or AK and they’re probably not going to like it much.
>>65151048>It's not what i learned on therefore i don't like itliteral boomer mindset
>>65151029>a mediocre bullpupA mediocre bullpup is the best bullpup available.
>>65151037That's a result of cheap manufacturing, if you are going to have a long thin bar that you don't want to bent you need to harden it but hardening costs money.
>>65151077It's a mechanical problem.Even if the linkage were hardened you still need to overcome the additional friction from and the mechanical force required of the trigger your finger touches -> moving on a pivot -> moving the linkage -> then actuating the actual trigger -> that trips the sear.This is opposed to the conventional: Actuate the trigger -> trip the sear, which is what makes non-gay rifles have a superior trigger pull.
>>65151097digital triggersimple as
>>65151098>digital trigger>(Tips Fedora)That doesn't exist, you are a retard.
>>65151029>Bullpup fag detectedOpinion disregarded.
>>65151097I lighter trigger spring solves all that.
>>65151110You have failed to address friction
>>65151029I don't hate bullpups on principle, but I've been unimpressed by every one I've ever shot.
>>65151029I have no idea what he's smoking. Like what the fuck else are you mounting besides an optic, LAM, light, and switch? If I can pull it off on this fucking thing anyone can do it
The AKB trigger is one of the better stock bullpup triggers I've tried. Very comparable to a milspec AR trigger. Never having owned a bullpup myself before this, it's a very handy gun for having an 18.5in barrel.
>>65151098all triggers are digital, you dumbasswhat do you think they're actuated by?
>>65151123I went to a rifle course recently where a kid has one of these things, his rounds were spread across a target at 25 yards like birdshot. We were practicing slow fire from the prone position.
>>65151056You post like someone raised by a single mother
>>65151097Just put the sear and hammer on the trigger and have the hammer hit the transfer bar. Fixed.
>>65151029Bullpups are only slightly more accurate than a Glock with a switch, and they are for some reason simped on hard by the oddest of gun nerds(faggots)
>>65151154This might actually be the play if someone can figure out how to make it work.
>>65151154
>>65151158What is there to make work? You could do it with an AR FCG, it would just be awkwardly shaped.
>>65151109>reddit spacer thinking his "opinion disregarded" opinion matters
>>65151038A recurring criticism Ive seen of bullpups both on /k/ and other sites is that they lack the sufficient real estate to C-clamp right by the muzzle. Shorter ones are too thick to put your thumb over (eg, a 16" Tavor with the old handguard), and longer ones have exposed barrel. Seems like training scars and learned helplessness to me, but its a relatively common complaint.
>>65151029unbalance and less agile there's a reason SF units don't use them not even the brits
>>65151154>have the hammer hit the transfer barI dunno Anon, Ruger might sue you for copying their design..
>>65151189Based (tard) Wrangler enjoyer
>>65151133>rifle 'course'>retards that can't shootYeah, no shit?
>>65151154RFB does almost this, hammer is at the back but the sear is at the trigger so all the flex and slop only happens after the hammer is released. I am no trigger expert but it's pretty good. There are holes in the molding where it looks like they had planned to make a fully adjustable trigger for take up, over travel, and weight, but never did. You can do it w a 3d printer if you want to. Besides, 308 is way better than 223, and if you rest the front on an empty ammo can, it cleans up after itself. Poops right in the can.
>>65151029I think it's fascinating that we're having this conversation so soon after my boys at Basedcamp declared Bullpup Summer.I only kinda sorta want a bullpup because I think the TS-12 is neat. I don't give a shit about an Aug or Tavor or any other non-short-stroke piston nonsense.
>>65151097>>65151077Hardness does not affect stiffness.You'd need something very thick, very well designed with stiffening features, a specific alloy, or a very low tolerance precision channel that would need a lot of lubrication or special materials.
>>65151029>>65151037microswitch electronic triggerits the best solution for bullpups other than getting over it>waahhhh the trigger in my killing machine makes ME feel icky!actual princess shit
>>65151189its ok, ruger doesnt have the money to legally fight it
>>65151037Actually, bullpups trigger gays
>>65151364why do you retards keep saying this? do you not own even a single bullpup?this shit has already been solved, and you're trying to throw a fucking electrical system into the fray, the fuck is wrong with you?kel-tec's rdb has a fantastic trigger, the aug has AR trigger packs that feel just fine, and the vhs-2 feels like a typical service rifle's
>>65151372>and you're trying to throw a fucking electrical system into the frayi love how you think it using electricity somehow makes it more complex or fragile or whatever than a mechanical system
>>65151029Bullpups were a fad that were proven to be stupid through actual combat use. Now I don't expect you loose collection of teens, browntowns, niggers, and morons to quit posting retard shit like this anymore than I expect you same attention-whores to keep spamming .32acp and blackout trash because I've been on the internet for more than 10 minutes.
>>65151384i love how you think it using electricity somehow makes it magically better than a mechanical system
>>65151077>That's a result of cheap manufacturing, if you are going to have a long thin barWhy push bar in the first place when you can use pull bar? Bikes brakes can have excellent "trigger feel" when they transfer force at much longer distance, but they use pull cable.
>>65151029>I purchased a mediocre bullpupIn that video, he tested 2 of the 5 best bullpups that were on the market at the time. The best bullpups are only mediocre.
>>65151029buy an ad faggot
>>65151048I'm a britbong, troops going from the l85 to the Sharpshooter rifle do all sorts of funny shit at the start because most of them have only ever used bullpups. On the flip side, I've seen yank troops who brag about how many guns they own get hold of an L85 and they cant comprehend something that isn't an AR and its like they've never held a firearm before.
>>65151186Plenty of room to c-clamp
>>65151029>AR chassis Bullpup > most>MDR Vaporware, Keltec malfunctions a death sentence, AUG premium for Cold War fuddstetic It's Tavor or nothing. Non-free floated any if the above seem to favor heavier loads. They're all not priced commensurately with ARs simply existing, regardless.
I like bullpups because an injury on my left elbow permanently reduced how far I can extend that arm.So they're just more comfortable to hold and handle for me.
there's good and bad, but I love them and the conventional rifles all nonetheless. If I had the cash, I'd buy more bullpups.
>>65151029The Keltec RDB is usually touted as (if not having the best build quality) being one of the better designed bullpups from a user ergonomics perspective.If you can't love an RDB after a day on the range, I don't think you'll love any bullpup.
>>65151035Im waiting for the day they move into the same one bedroom apartment "to save even more money"
>shoot bullpup>breath at the wrong time>lungs full of poisonthats why they suck.
>>65151543>mdr vaporware Dude there’s one in my closet right now. Just fucking buy one.
>it is current cyberyear, a time of chaos and possibility enabled by technology>The cyberATF still enforces cyberDonald's many cyberLaws, even if the great gay head itself no longer speaks>One of many is an edict requiring all firearms to be electrified and to have an e-trigger>Since niggers never change batteries they can be easily located by the periodic CHIRPS their cyberguns emit
>>65151971>worried about increased lead exposure>shoot gunsthen don't shoot guns at all if you're gonna go autistic about breathing in shit. Especially if you start playing with suppression.
>>65151989its a shame were posting anonymously because it would be funny to see you whinge about microplastics and synthetic fabric in underwear.
>>65151038Now add in a laser designator and you run out of room to have a switch for them that doesn't interfere with the charging handle or sling.
>>65151993So youre noguns
>>65151056What makes a bullpup worth learning when everyone already does it a different way? Being different IS a bad thing, this isn't the fucking special olympics, so what else does the format even bring to the table?
>>65152045The same reason people learn Klingon.In fact, I'm pretty sure the people who simp bullpups are the same people who learn klingon.
>>65152045Because I won't be flopping around like a scared fish if I ever have to grab the nearest rifle that I haven't trained on specifically. Unlike someone who's married to ARs who goes all deer in the headlights when handed a Hakim and told to get cracking. Learning another gun takes all of five minutes if even and getting slightly proficient takes barely any time at all. Guns aren't martial arts, it doesn't take years to get good at shooting smiths and you're still not a master of shooting colts
>>65152191Oh yeah in case you get thrown into a warzone as a civilian with no experience or training.
>>65152212My point is, there's no reason to not try something different beyond being a curmudgeon. Though I guess you're one of those "guns are tools" types who believes in gun monogamy. Not a deep enthusiast like myself that has a matchlock, a marlin, a mauser, and a M4 all beside each other on the table when shooting. Not to imply such a mentality is lesser, but it is needlessly self-restrictive
>>65151961I'd buy an RDB with better build quality tomorrow. It's a great gun and great design the problem is that it suffers innately from "bullpup recoil" which is just stouter recoil inherent to a BCG slamming into your shoulder every time you shoot
>>65151029i don't care about bullpups and the military doesn't care about fags throwing a fit over their supposed superiority either.
>>65152286And I don't care about what a bunch of brass retards think is a good idea. If you think the military is the final authority on what guns are good or not then why don't you own a P320? According to them it beats everything else
>>65151098I'll bite. It might work with piazo type setting, but trigger pull would likely go from bad to terrible.Needing batteries to fire at all sounds also a bit bad idea.
>>65152301>>65151029>Since this is the forum I come to when I want nuanced and unbiased takes on things, what does /k/ think of 'pups?>Throws a fucking tantrum when strangers on the internet don't agree with his dumbass opinionsFucking KEK
>>65152045>What makes aircraft worth learning when everyone already has a train nearby? Being different IS a bad thing, this isn't the fucking special olympics, so what else does the format even bring to the table?>What makes an automatic pistol worth learning when everyone already has a revolver? Being different IS a bad thing, this isn't the fucking special olympics, so what else does that contraption even bring to the table?>What makes cars worth "driving" (whatever that means) when everyone already has a trusty horse? Being different IS a bad thing, this isn't the fucking special olympics, so what else does the automobile even bring to the table?>What makes penicillin worth using when everyone already dies when the good Lord intended? Being different IS a bad thing, this isn't the fucking special olympics, so what else does not rotting alive even bring to the table?Kids these days amirite?
>>65152320basing your like and dislikes based on what the military does makes you a retarded cargo cultist
>>65152320An unbiased opinion is just an opinion with biases that match mine, after all.
>>65152320>pointing out a logical fallacy is throwing a tantrumYou're right anon, I'd we were having this conversation in the 50s you'd immediately recognize the AR-10 as superior because you're just so smart and correct all the time
>>65151029All science fiction movies use bullpups for a reason. They A R E the future.
Is there any way to put a less shitty optic on an FS2000 while still keeping the silly dust cover?
>>65151985kek>>65152045I have bad news anon, you may have lead poisoning or an intellectual disability>>65152332His attention span is shorter than Sydney Sweeney's neckline, give him a break, it's not like he's gonna' be responsible for doing anything important anyway.
>>651524723d print a cover that fits over you optic of choice.
>>65151961Main complaint is you have to flip the thing over to see the chamber, it needs some way to easily inspect the chamber and clear stoppages.
>>65151029I have found 5.56 bullpups to not really be worth it over conventional 5.56 rifles. The gains just aren't there to justify it. However, 308/6.5 sneed bullpups are a step up. Granted I only have experience with an MDRx in 308 but it changes everything compared to a conventional battle rifle and the equation all the sudden makes a lot more sense.
>>65152962>tfw no RDB in sneedmoor
>>65152974>RDBFuck i meant RFB whatever
>>65151154I don't get the problemJust make the sear really long
>>65151187>Unbalanced They literally have better balance then conventional rifles
>>65151029All bullpups should be downward ejecting. Try to CQC around a righthand corner with brass ejecting right into your face.
>>65151029Hes right and you are gay. The only thing gayer than bullpup rifles are bullpup fan bois.
>>65153141>boisAnd you're the gayest of them all
>>65151029Semi auto pups are objectively the best style of rifle for pretty much all civilians. They are short enough to be handy without the extra legal bullshit and the only reason why anyone should want a "pistol" ak, ar, etc. Is for legality issues in woods where rifles and shotguns are banned.
>>65151029armpit reloads. lol.
>>65151029You didn't watch the video and I ky read the title
>>65152281You're supposed to dial in the adjustable gas system to your specific load, as well keep notes and make markings to change and revert if you switch loads. It should only ever be below the halfway point with the most anemic reloads and cheap steel case (RIP lol). Once you get it dialed, the gun shakes more from the dual hammer springs that register at 110dB when dry firing. I think there's a kit to remedy this.
>>65151097>>65151037this problem doesn't exist in the FAMASt. FAMAS owner
>>65153189And this is why I put no stock in if something has or hasn't been adopted by a military, turkshit is shit bullpup or not. Though he's having fun so it's all good
>>65151961>>65152281>>65153264RDB has a good trigger and it feels like an airsoft gun. I think keltec actually makes an AEG version of it and you know its the same fucking thing.The first thing I did when I bought mine was go over and torque all of the screws. The top rail was loose. I like mine and its been reliable.>>65153264When you adjust the gas system you gotta load 1 round in the mag. If it has a weird double feed you have to disassemble the whole fucking thing.
>>65153063Especially nowadays with all the shit people put on the end of their rifles, conventional rifles just end up super front heavy.
>>65151971Literally just get a snorkel bro
